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== Something you might want to look into ==
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== Master images ==
Hello, User:Shambala108.  
Sorry about that. Was transferring information from my Master sandboxes over to the main page, and some images got transferred over by accident as well. Although I did leave the images on the appearance section there on purpose, since it made sense to have a visual reference on that section.


Actually, I've been meaning to ask you about the possibility of reopening the debate to make separate Master pages. I've been experimenting with it on my sandbox, and you can find the results [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Masters here].[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:03, January 28, 2019 (UTC)
Sorry to disturb you with this, but I felt you needed to be informed of this edit [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/The_Star_Beast_(TV_story)?diff=3662903&oldid=3662898 here], where, even after I informed them on what you once told me about how featuring is to only include recurring characters to prevent overcrowding, [[User:Epsilon the Eternal]] still readded a single episode character to the section, essentially because  they were pivotal to the plot, and then justified it by saying that an admin's word is not policy and can be ignored (at least by my reading of their edit summery). And why the character in question, [[Rose Noble]], had showed up in a short story, they have ignored my explanation that the short story doesn't make her a recurring character due to it's nature as a prelude to the episode and my request for a few weeks of patience to see if she returns.


== Reply Problems ==
I've actually been meaning to message you about them and their decorum for some time, but this blatant disregard towards your words has pushed me into action now. For the past few months, their edit summaries have included [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Fifteenth_Doctor?diff=prev&oldid=3660630 treating arguments against their edits as attacks on the merit of their opinion], [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Theory:Timeline_-_Fourteenth_Doctor?diff=prev&oldid=3659912 reverted edits based on actions not yet taken], [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Destination:_Skaro_(TV_story)?diff=prev&oldid=3659364 put "More to Added" on fully released articles instead of contributing themselves], [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Destination:_Skaro_(TV_story)?diff=prev&oldid=3656646 indulge in rude wording] [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Destination:_Skaro_(TV_story)?diff=prev&oldid=3656310 on multiple occasions] ([https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Solitract?diff=prev&oldid=3641225 even using the name of the Lord in vain]), and engaged in unneeded hostilities [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Fourteenth_Doctor on talk pages].
Hey there....I hadn't been able to get on the discussions page of the wiki for a while and now that I can, I am not able to respond to conversations. Wondering if I've been blocked again or if there's something wrong.  


thanks
I was hoping to ask if you could have a word with them, if it's not to much trouble, to inform them on proper Wiki etiquette towards other editors, and to avoid getting to personal in their edit summaries, and to remind them of why the featuring section on story pages is just for recurring characters.
[[User:Mister_Fifty]]


=="Personal attacks"==
Thank you for your time.
Hello!
Sincerely,
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


First-off, let's clarify that the remainder of this message is purely object-level and ''not'' an attack against you as a person. (I'd hope this'd be obvious, but I might as well be careful considering what just happened.) You no doubt committed the error detailed below with good intentions, and simply got carried away because running a Wiki is hard. (<small>I know, I run one too, though it's smaller than Tardis by a wide margin.</small>)
== Edit war ==


So. You blocked me for three days, three days ago, with the rationale that a comment of mine on [[Thread:171578]]. I'm sorry but it very much ''wasn't''. For one thing, I used a silly "nonsense word", not some actual serious insult; it's an incompetent bully indeed who'd expect "Poppycock" to be taken as actual offensive name-calling these days.
Hi, Shambala. There's the potential for an edit war at [[Beep the Meep]]. Wondering if you could help resolve it. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


But more importantly, even if it were an attack (which really isn't how I meant it), it was in no way a ''personal'' attack. The whole point of "personal attacks" as defined on [[Tardis:No personal attacks]] is that they're attacks ''ad hominem'' — insulting a person instead of disputing their ''ideas''. Well, I did no such thing. Even if we ignore that the "Poppycock" declaration was not at all meant to be taken seriously, you yourself, in your blocking rationale, seemed to get that it was about AdricLovesNyssa's ''comment'' — nay, a specific idea therein. ''Not'' about AdricLovesNyssa themselves.
== Re:Request for help ==


So first, whatever of the rest, I ''meant'' no harm, and if AdricLovesNyssa perceived such I'm sorry but that was in no way the intent of my words. But second, I don't see how my comment in any way fits Tardis's (or, indeed, most any) definition of a "personal attack".  
I've looked through your cited page above, and looked over the linked examples.


Obviously, this is hardly a first-priority message, though I'd very much like to get a clear answer at ''some'' point. Reply whenever you find the time. In the meantime, I'll be back on the Forums, very much not insulting anyone thank you very much. Blah. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:21, February 13, 2019 (UTC)
I'm also aware of both editors' edits throughout the past few years, although acknowledge I've not been as active as I had been in the past.


== Scrooge MacDuck's block ==
I generally come at this from the perspective of 'is there a policy I can point to for a reason for this edit'. Epsilon does cite many of their edits regarding a policy. However the edit summary war is something that cannot continue, it's a nightmare to cite any discussion and it's not what the summaries are for regardless.


Hi. As you suggested, [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] contacted me. I wrote [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck#Block|a response]] explaining why I stand by my block. I also noted in my response that I am not quite sure why Scrooge MacDuck [[w:c:community:Thread:1614398|persistently misspells]] your name in a way that might be interpreted as an offence. This hesitation caused me to abort the idea of shortening the block. However, if you do not find this misspelling offensive and are satisfied with Scrooge MacDuck's reaction to the blocks, I would not object if you shorten my block. However, I remain of the conviction that the second block must remain longer than the first. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:16, February 15, 2019 (UTC)
I'm unsure on a few of the cited issues by Banana, but can see how they may find some things vexatious.  


== Doctor Who spin-offs ==
I think all users can have their issues, and while Epsilon has had a few citations against them in the past, there have been extraneous circumstances around those in some regards.  
Amorkuz removed ''Free-Fall Warriors'' from [[Doctor Who spin-offs]] because it was implicitly listed in the "Spin-offs set in the DWU" section of the page, while no inclusion debate has actually made that conclusion. In the meantime, the position of our wiki is that the ''Free-Fall Warriors'' spin-off is not set in the DWU (see also Amorkuz's deletion of the page [[Free-Fall Warriors (comic series)|Free-Fall Warriors]]). Rather than simply re-adding something an admin had deleted, I was moving it to the appropriate section of the page (namely, the "Spin-offs not set in the DWU" section). At the same time I was also adding to the list and fixing multiple formatting errors, all of which was also reverted in your undoing of my edit. Now I've written all this explanation (satisfying, I hope, the "talk to an admin about it" part of your requirement) I'm going to go ahead and undo your undoing of my edit. Thank you regardless for your thoroughness in double-checking! – [[User:NateBumber|N8]] [[User_talk:NateBumber|☎]] 03:04, February 19, 2019 (UTC)


== Re: Party Animals ==
We've not had a proper forum to engage new policies for in some time, and that's where rulings should come into play. Citing a reason for an edit especially something which might result in an edit war over inclusion of a character (or not) should be backed up by a talk page decision, forum or policy. Citing the word of an admin while it might seem like the 'voice of the flying spaghetti monster' in terms of resolving or justifying an edit, however it is better to be citing a policy or discussion. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 01:49, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Before I hand you a list of pages to delete (if that is your implication) out of my own free will, I must say pages like [[Captain Britain]], [[Bart Simpson]], [[Sapphire and Steel]], [[John Steed]] have been on this wiki for a few years and have never been subject to scrutiny by an admin until now.


A Dalek or a Meep can be identified without being named with no argument. As for non-DWU characters, [[Worf]], [[Death's Head]], the [[Thing]], and the [[Human Torch]] are in a similar situation. They are not named in Party Animals / The Incomplete Death's Head but do appear in stories ruled valid by this wiki.
== [[AudioGO]] ==


Some characters are named in DWU stories (e.g. [[Hulk]], [[John Steed]]), so at the very least a mention/image of their appearance in Party Animals in a behind the scenes section would be warranted.
Hi, Shambala. This page keeps being vandalised. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:54, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


This is all to illustrate that Party Animals certainly is an unusual story. I think it's valuable to have a complete list of all the obscure characters seen in this story and you truly have to "see it to believe it." Perhaps a Forum thread should be opened to discuss this in-depth with other users and admins before the recent hard work of myself and others is swept under the rug. And I'm not sure how I feel about an admin wanting to make an extreme decision about pages regarding a story they have not read. [[User:LegoK9|LegoK9]] [[User talk:LegoK9|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:56, March 2, 2019 (UTC)
== My "Who vs elsewhere" polls ==


== Re: Party Animals 2 ==
Hello,
A potential compromise has come to mind. If the individual pages for [[Axel Pressbutton]], [[Cusick and Doot]], et al. must be deleted, would it be acceptable to have a gallery at the bottom of [[Party Animals (comic story)]] Showing the images of characters that cannot have a separate page for lacking mentions in DWU stories? (Edit: [[User:LegoK9|LegoK9]] [[User talk:LegoK9|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:17, March 2, 2019 (UTC)) I wouldn't want the work I put into getting these images be erased so soon.


Also, I'm aware admins aren't employees and I apologise for implying otherwise. [[User:LegoK9|LegoK9]] [[User talk:LegoK9|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:16, March 2, 2019 (UTC)
Would the admins have any objections if I did some further entries to my "Who vs [insert]" polls? I know the cards are heavily stacked, but still...the Lord loves a tryer, eh?


== Images ==
[[User:Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba|Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba]] [[User talk:Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:35, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
You deleted my images for lack of info on source of work and copyright
HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THE SOURCE OF WORK AND COPYRIGHT OF A MEME CAT IMAGE?
[[User:GarfielfStuff|GarfielfStuff]] [[User talk:GarfielfStuff|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:11, March 4, 2019 (UTC)


Hi Shambala108,
== Merry Christmas And Happy New Year ==


I hope you can help me. I'd like to apologise for the edits on my author page - I hadn't seen the guidelines when I posted the synopsis and notes, and I didn't get a notification for the first removal, so I assumed it was a glitch.
Have a good rest of 2023 and a great 2024 and onward [[User:Sum41Champ]]


I have now seen the guidelines for authors, and I think I understand the reasoning behind the no-self-editing rule. I can see that comments by other people would be less subjective and more detached.
== RE: Sockpuppet ==


Can I explain why this is important to me? I have spent the last 18 months writing a series of YA novels. Not DW-related in any way, so they won't be showing up here. For long and complicated reasons, I am self-publishing the series, and for this I need an audience. My only previously published work of fiction is the short story in 'Iris Wildthyme of Mars', so that's my shop window, for anyone who wants to find out about me, and my writing.
Hey! Hope all is going well. I don't have [[Help:CheckUser|CheckUser]] access myself, since I'm not Fandom staff, but I'll pass it along, since it seems like we have reasonable suspicion!


Self-publishing is really, really hard. I have to spend precious writing time building my presence online, and trying to reach as many people as possible. I'm putting myself out there on social media, and trying to make sure that if people search for me, they find useful and interesting resources.
Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Happy holidays.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 18:06, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


A synopsis for my short story on this website would be a massive help for me - for my exposure, and as a place to direct people who want to know more about my writing. To this end, the synopsis I posted is short, accurate, and reflects the as-published text of the story. It's not DW canon. It doesn't reinterpret anything. I haven't added anything that isn't in the text. But it is the only place online where my name could be associated with information about my story.
: I just wanted to mention that [[User:Spongebob456]] is probably the easiest Fandom staff member to contact for things like this as he's our wiki rep. He's who I've gone to for a few similar requests in the past (which I've done through his Discord but you could probably do through his talk page). [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:46, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


The notes are more subjective, but I have read reviews from people who hadn't made the connection between my story and the source material, and this would be a great place to share those notes. Again - there is no additional interpretation, and nothing I have written reinterprets DW canon in any way.
:: And that's exactly who I went to, in fact! But no problem at all.


So I guess I'm pleading for a chance to incorporate these pages into my online presence in a way that would be helpful to my readers. I can see that the rules are there to prevent writers from adding extras or referring to unpublished versions of the text - but that's not what I've done here. I have worked as an editor, and written blurbs and synopses for other books - that's all I'm doing here.
:: Spongebob456 confirmed via Discord that all the accounts you linked are, in fact, related. I'm giving indefinite blocks to the new accounts, and I'll leave it to you to decide how long to extend their sentence on whichever is their main account. Cheers{{User:SOTO/sig}} 18:55, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


As an indie author, I don't have an agent or a publisher to do this stuff for me, so I have no option but to write my own online content. It seems unfair that someone with a team could use the rest of their team to post for them, while I am barred from posting at all because I have to be my own agent and publisher.
== Spacing with categories ==


I would really, really appreciate it if the synopsis and notes could be reposted. It would make an enormous difference to me, and to my ability to reach my audience.  
What's the purpose of the space? I See 0 effect that has on the page, Happy New Year. [[User:Sum41Champ]]


I apologise for the reposts yesterday - I had not fully understood the situation, and it was not my intention to break any rules or cause trouble.
== Trying to locate a missing thread ==
Hell there. Hope all is well. I was wondering if you could help me with a query concerning a missing thread I am having trouble locating that is listed on several incarnations of the Doctor's articles. The thread I am referring to is mentioned as follows in the template on the articles's lede section:


Thank you for reading this far! I appreciate your time and attention.
''As detailed at [[Thread:264489]], character pages should only have AT MOST 2-3 sentences per story, not whole paragraphs of plot detail. This page needs a major cleanup in that area.''


Rachel Churcher.
As you can see though, this link to said thread is red, hence doesn't take me anywhere when I click it.


Per some users (anonymous editors) removing it from the page, I began to do some digging as to the thread itself, in preparation for setting myself on the task of shortening down the Doctor articles myself in time, having already began work doing so with the CS links per my conversation with [[User:Scrooge MacDuck]]. In doing so, I discovered you are the one who added said template onto the Doctor articles back in 2020 (see the following link as an example: https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Twelfth_Doctor?diff=prev&oldid=3015495 )


PS. I'm also struggling with the author photo on my author page. Which licence should I be using from the drop-down list? It's a photo taken of me, by my husband, where I hold the copyright, so technically I guess that there isn't a licence, because there doesn't need to be. It's me using my own photo. Any advice would be very welcome - thank you!
Therefore, are you able to provide me information as to the thread itself or link me to the archive where it is stored? I don't want to trouble myself shortening all the articles if this thread has been superceded or reverted, hence does not actually have to be acted upon now. In which case, I could take to removing the templates from the Doctor's articles instead.
 
Looking forward to your reply. [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 17:01, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 
:On this subject Shambala, it ''does'' still apply, it's just sorta been rolled into the broader reforms discussed in [[Forum:Temporary forums/Subpages 2.0]], as Bongo alluded to on Snivy's talk. The work here has really been touch and go, but it's very much live policy, just a real headache to implement. And archived forum threads from the 2012-2020 forums are at [[User:SOTO/Forum Archive]]. (Well, okay, it's a bit more complicated than that, because there are actually some forum archives that can only be accessed through URLs and not that index. But it's pretty obvious where to look if you pay attention to the URLs.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:30, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 
Yes, I know what you mean about the loading times. My experience on mobile viewing is atrocious for the long character articles and editing on mobile is near-impossible for me on them because it seems to crash or be so long to respond to the changes, even in source editor. Hence, I near-exclusively edit on desktop these days. I completely understand why editors appear apathetic to the change though; perhaps its the perks of superior internet speed or something, but these long articles do make editing a chore sometimes, necessitating having to edit solely in sections rather than whole page edits.
 
From what [[User:Bongolium500]] sent me, it appears there's still the intention for the articles to be trimmed down as the template requests, it just seems no one - or very few editors - are actually bothering to do it, hence the templates remaining after 3 and a bit years of its request being placed. Same could be said for the CS link conversion since a mix of editors still use variants of the old format. If the task to do it is still needed though, and hence isn't going to be a waste of my time, I can begin implementing the change.  
 
Thank you once more for responding to me message! [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 11:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 
== Follow Up ==
 
I Sent you a message on the purpose of spacing categories and you didn't get back. You have to give a solid reason as to how that affect a page for me to know the issue. [[User:Sum41Champ]]
 
== Re: Edits ==
 
Thank you so much! I appreciate the kind words. I'm always happy to fix and clean up articles whenever I see any that need it, and I'm glad to be part of such a welcoming wiki community. [[User:BlueSupergiant|BlueSupergiant]] [[User talk:BlueSupergiant|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:01, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

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Something you might want to look into[[edit source]]

Hello, User:Shambala108.

Sorry to disturb you with this, but I felt you needed to be informed of this edit here, where, even after I informed them on what you once told me about how featuring is to only include recurring characters to prevent overcrowding, User:Epsilon the Eternal still readded a single episode character to the section, essentially because they were pivotal to the plot, and then justified it by saying that an admin's word is not policy and can be ignored (at least by my reading of their edit summery). And why the character in question, Rose Noble, had showed up in a short story, they have ignored my explanation that the short story doesn't make her a recurring character due to it's nature as a prelude to the episode and my request for a few weeks of patience to see if she returns.

I've actually been meaning to message you about them and their decorum for some time, but this blatant disregard towards your words has pushed me into action now. For the past few months, their edit summaries have included treating arguments against their edits as attacks on the merit of their opinion, reverted edits based on actions not yet taken, put "More to Added" on fully released articles instead of contributing themselves, indulge in rude wording on multiple occasions (even using the name of the Lord in vain), and engaged in unneeded hostilities on talk pages.

I was hoping to ask if you could have a word with them, if it's not to much trouble, to inform them on proper Wiki etiquette towards other editors, and to avoid getting to personal in their edit summaries, and to remind them of why the featuring section on story pages is just for recurring characters.

Thank you for your time. Sincerely, BananaClownMan ☎ 04:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Edit war[[edit source]]

Hi, Shambala. There's the potential for an edit war at Beep the Meep. Wondering if you could help resolve it. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 22:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Re:Request for help[[edit source]]

I've looked through your cited page above, and looked over the linked examples.

I'm also aware of both editors' edits throughout the past few years, although acknowledge I've not been as active as I had been in the past.

I generally come at this from the perspective of 'is there a policy I can point to for a reason for this edit'. Epsilon does cite many of their edits regarding a policy. However the edit summary war is something that cannot continue, it's a nightmare to cite any discussion and it's not what the summaries are for regardless.

I'm unsure on a few of the cited issues by Banana, but can see how they may find some things vexatious.

I think all users can have their issues, and while Epsilon has had a few citations against them in the past, there have been extraneous circumstances around those in some regards.

We've not had a proper forum to engage new policies for in some time, and that's where rulings should come into play. Citing a reason for an edit especially something which might result in an edit war over inclusion of a character (or not) should be backed up by a talk page decision, forum or policy. Citing the word of an admin while it might seem like the 'voice of the flying spaghetti monster' in terms of resolving or justifying an edit, however it is better to be citing a policy or discussion. --Tangerineduel / talk 01:49, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

AudioGO[[edit source]]

Hi, Shambala. This page keeps being vandalised. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 13:54, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

My "Who vs elsewhere" polls[[edit source]]

Hello,

Would the admins have any objections if I did some further entries to my "Who vs [insert]" polls? I know the cards are heavily stacked, but still...the Lord loves a tryer, eh?

Kevin 'Chalky' Kaiba ☎ 22:35, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Merry Christmas And Happy New Year[[edit source]]

Have a good rest of 2023 and a great 2024 and onward User:Sum41Champ

RE: Sockpuppet[[edit source]]

Hey! Hope all is going well. I don't have CheckUser access myself, since I'm not Fandom staff, but I'll pass it along, since it seems like we have reasonable suspicion!

Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Happy holidays.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 18:06, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

I just wanted to mention that User:Spongebob456 is probably the easiest Fandom staff member to contact for things like this as he's our wiki rep. He's who I've gone to for a few similar requests in the past (which I've done through his Discord but you could probably do through his talk page). Bongo50 ☎ 18:46, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
And that's exactly who I went to, in fact! But no problem at all.
Spongebob456 confirmed via Discord that all the accounts you linked are, in fact, related. I'm giving indefinite blocks to the new accounts, and I'll leave it to you to decide how long to extend their sentence on whichever is their main account. Cheers
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 18:55, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Spacing with categories[[edit source]]

What's the purpose of the space? I See 0 effect that has on the page, Happy New Year. User:Sum41Champ

Trying to locate a missing thread[[edit source]]

Hell there. Hope all is well. I was wondering if you could help me with a query concerning a missing thread I am having trouble locating that is listed on several incarnations of the Doctor's articles. The thread I am referring to is mentioned as follows in the template on the articles's lede section:

As detailed at Thread:264489, character pages should only have AT MOST 2-3 sentences per story, not whole paragraphs of plot detail. This page needs a major cleanup in that area.

As you can see though, this link to said thread is red, hence doesn't take me anywhere when I click it.

Per some users (anonymous editors) removing it from the page, I began to do some digging as to the thread itself, in preparation for setting myself on the task of shortening down the Doctor articles myself in time, having already began work doing so with the CS links per my conversation with User:Scrooge MacDuck. In doing so, I discovered you are the one who added said template onto the Doctor articles back in 2020 (see the following link as an example: https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Twelfth_Doctor?diff=prev&oldid=3015495 )

Therefore, are you able to provide me information as to the thread itself or link me to the archive where it is stored? I don't want to trouble myself shortening all the articles if this thread has been superceded or reverted, hence does not actually have to be acted upon now. In which case, I could take to removing the templates from the Doctor's articles instead.

Looking forward to your reply. Snivy ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦ 17:01, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

On this subject Shambala, it does still apply, it's just sorta been rolled into the broader reforms discussed in Forum:Temporary forums/Subpages 2.0, as Bongo alluded to on Snivy's talk. The work here has really been touch and go, but it's very much live policy, just a real headache to implement. And archived forum threads from the 2012-2020 forums are at User:SOTO/Forum Archive. (Well, okay, it's a bit more complicated than that, because there are actually some forum archives that can only be accessed through URLs and not that index. But it's pretty obvious where to look if you pay attention to the URLs.) Najawin ☎ 05:30, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I know what you mean about the loading times. My experience on mobile viewing is atrocious for the long character articles and editing on mobile is near-impossible for me on them because it seems to crash or be so long to respond to the changes, even in source editor. Hence, I near-exclusively edit on desktop these days. I completely understand why editors appear apathetic to the change though; perhaps its the perks of superior internet speed or something, but these long articles do make editing a chore sometimes, necessitating having to edit solely in sections rather than whole page edits.

From what User:Bongolium500 sent me, it appears there's still the intention for the articles to be trimmed down as the template requests, it just seems no one - or very few editors - are actually bothering to do it, hence the templates remaining after 3 and a bit years of its request being placed. Same could be said for the CS link conversion since a mix of editors still use variants of the old format. If the task to do it is still needed though, and hence isn't going to be a waste of my time, I can begin implementing the change.

Thank you once more for responding to me message! Snivy ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦ 11:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Follow Up[[edit source]]

I Sent you a message on the purpose of spacing categories and you didn't get back. You have to give a solid reason as to how that affect a page for me to know the issue. User:Sum41Champ

Re: Edits[[edit source]]

Thank you so much! I appreciate the kind words. I'm always happy to fix and clean up articles whenever I see any that need it, and I'm glad to be part of such a welcoming wiki community. BlueSupergiant ☎ 19:01, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

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