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| | == Something you might want to look into == |
| * Please don't forget to [[Tardis:Signature Policy|sign your posts]]. Like most [[admin]]s, I won't answer any post that doesn't have a signature.
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| == Block ==
| | Hello, User:Shambala108. |
| Hi. Can I request that you take action on Zanda? They continually undo mine and Borisashton's edits, not wanting to follow the rules we multiple times have mentioned. And I think the Jeremy-account is simply a second account of his given on their first comment "I have read it". --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:37, August 11, 2019 (UTC)
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| :Alright. It's just an assumption that I deem likely due to "Jeremy" only having 1 edit and with that, having said "I have read it". I'm raising the point of a block because they have been blocked in the past for 3 days with the promise of an earlier unblock if the message given alongside the block was understood. No answer was given. Sounds suspiciously like a "last resort"-kind of thing, should their main account be blocked, if you know what I mean. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:50, August 11, 2019 (UTC)
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| ::Clever girl. [[User:Zanda21|Zanda21]] [[User talk:Zanda21|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:05, August 11, 2019 (UTC)
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| :::Basically, you just confirmed my beliefs. And I'm not a girl, thanks. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:06, August 11, 2019 (UTC)
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| ::::It's a quote, you moron. Jesus. Of course you're not a girl. Women are actually clever, and not brain-dead. [[User:Zanda21|Zanda21]] [[User talk:Zanda21|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:08, August 11, 2019 (UTC)
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| Thanks. You have now made multiple offenses on this Wikia. Shambala may not block people anymore, but others will undoubtedly. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:14, August 11, 2019 (UTC)
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| Hi again. I trust you, it's just because you said you don't block people anymore, and I thought you wanted me to contact another admin for help. There was no mistrust. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:29, August 11, 2019 (UTC)
| | Sorry to disturb you with this, but I felt you needed to be informed of this edit [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/The_Star_Beast_(TV_story)?diff=3662903&oldid=3662898 here], where, even after I informed them on what you once told me about how featuring is to only include recurring characters to prevent overcrowding, [[User:Epsilon the Eternal]] still readded a single episode character to the section, essentially because they were pivotal to the plot, and then justified it by saying that an admin's word is not policy and can be ignored (at least by my reading of their edit summery). And why the character in question, [[Rose Noble]], had showed up in a short story, they have ignored my explanation that the short story doesn't make her a recurring character due to it's nature as a prelude to the episode and my request for a few weeks of patience to see if she returns. |
| :And if it's not clear, I wanna say thank you for taking your time to bother with this situation. As I'm no admin, I appreciate that you set aside a probably otherwise full day to deal with this. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:39, August 11, 2019 (UTC)
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| == Block request == | | I've actually been meaning to message you about them and their decorum for some time, but this blatant disregard towards your words has pushed me into action now. For the past few months, their edit summaries have included [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Fifteenth_Doctor?diff=prev&oldid=3660630 treating arguments against their edits as attacks on the merit of their opinion], [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Theory:Timeline_-_Fourteenth_Doctor?diff=prev&oldid=3659912 reverted edits based on actions not yet taken], [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Destination:_Skaro_(TV_story)?diff=prev&oldid=3659364 put "More to Added" on fully released articles instead of contributing themselves], [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Destination:_Skaro_(TV_story)?diff=prev&oldid=3656646 indulge in rude wording] [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Destination:_Skaro_(TV_story)?diff=prev&oldid=3656310 on multiple occasions] ([https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Solitract?diff=prev&oldid=3641225 even using the name of the Lord in vain]), and engaged in unneeded hostilities [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Fourteenth_Doctor on talk pages]. |
| No worries. Thanks for stepping in. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 16:51, August 11, 2019 (UTC)
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| Hi there! My name is Madeleine and I am an editor with the Pop Insider magazine. I am working on a piece about fans who create their own content and contribute to wikis like this. Would you be willing to answer a few questions for my piece? If you're interested, please email me at mbuckley@popinsider.com Thanks!
| | I was hoping to ask if you could have a word with them, if it's not to much trouble, to inform them on proper Wiki etiquette towards other editors, and to avoid getting to personal in their edit summaries, and to remind them of why the featuring section on story pages is just for recurring characters. |
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| == Davey Silverman ==
| | Thank you for your time. |
| Per [[Tardis:Edit summary|policy]], an edit summary should "be descriptive of what you are changing, be it; adding additional content, removing significant content or altering the article." As such, your edit summary of "''maybe it would have been better to actually search for this character before creating the page''" is in violation of this, not being especially helpful. -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 11:01, August 17, 2019 (UTC)
| | Sincerely, |
| :It's not a job I envy or intend to undertake but I think admins should be held to the rules just as much as any user and nor did your response actually address the issue. -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 13:32, August 17, 2019 (UTC)
| | [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC) |
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| == Last Great Time War == | | == Edit war == |
| Ah, thank you! I had forgotten that that template existed. --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:29, August 19, 2019 (UTC)
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| i dont know how to merge pages if you accept can you merge i was thinking merging 3 pages
| | Hi, Shambala. There's the potential for an edit war at [[Beep the Meep]]. Wondering if you could help resolve it. [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Jack "BtR" Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC) |
| the weapon(eyeless) the greater key and the moment they are the same weapon and i have evidence code name greater key refers to the moments origins given in the comics the forgetten and donst step on the grass as a upgraded version of great key of rassilon
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| in ahistory lance parkins equates the weapon seen in his novel the eyeless with the weapon mentioned in the end of time he also says that doctors people build the weapon for war against the enemy but they used in in the time war
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| == Tuvalu == | | == Re:Request for help == |
| Here is the quote from Unnatural History: "'We've been travelling together for years,' said the Doctor. 'We stopped the smugglers of Nephelokokkugian and the Dalek invasion of Tuvalu.'" And he's speaking to Sam here. Doesn't give any details of Tuvalu, which is why I described it as just a "place" when modifying the text. [[User:Toqgers|Toqgers]] [[User talk:Toqgers|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:00, August 20, 2019 (UTC)
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| == /* Courtesy */ ==
| | I've looked through your cited page above, and looked over the linked examples. |
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| That's fine, but it would be nicer to have the corrections explained rather than just being deleted with no explanation or "Format the links properly". It doesn't exactly make newcomers feel welcome, in fact, I doubt I will have the impetus to contribute again. [[User:Lezzman|Lezzman]] [[User talk:Lezzman|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:35, August 25, 2019 (UTC)
| | I'm also aware of both editors' edits throughout the past few years, although acknowledge I've not been as active as I had been in the past. |
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| ==Peri Brown==
| | I generally come at this from the perspective of 'is there a policy I can point to for a reason for this edit'. Epsilon does cite many of their edits regarding a policy. However the edit summary war is something that cannot continue, it's a nightmare to cite any discussion and it's not what the summaries are for regardless. |
| Please be sure to address my comment on [[Talk:Peri Brown]]. -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 21:38, August 25, 2019 (UTC)
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| == Mistake from River Song ==
| | I'm unsure on a few of the cited issues by Banana, but can see how they may find some things vexatious. |
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| Hi, I was filling out the release details for River Song: Series six today but ran into a problem.
| | I think all users can have their issues, and while Epsilon has had a few citations against them in the past, there have been extraneous circumstances around those in some regards. |
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| I hadn't read the title's properly for the individual stories and created "The Talons of Greel" instead of "The Talents of Greel" initially. I realized my mistake about 10 mins into creating this page so I quickly backtracked and created the new one.
| | We've not had a proper forum to engage new policies for in some time, and that's where rulings should come into play. Citing a reason for an edit especially something which might result in an edit war over inclusion of a character (or not) should be backed up by a talk page decision, forum or policy. Citing the word of an admin while it might seem like the 'voice of the flying spaghetti monster' in terms of resolving or justifying an edit, however it is better to be citing a policy or discussion. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 01:49, 30 November 2023 (UTC) |
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| Sadly the old page still exists (evn if there's nothing in it) and the title still comes up in the search bar. Could you or one of the other Admin folks kindly delete the page for me?
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| | Hi, Shambala. This page keeps being vandalised. [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Jack "BtR" Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:54, 4 December 2023 (UTC) |
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| [[User:Vincent VG|Vincent VG]] [[User talk:Vincent VG|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:22, August 27, 2019 (UTC)
| | == My "Who vs elsewhere" polls == |
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| == List of actors reprising their roles at Big Finish ==
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| I've just seen that you deleted the page [[List of actors reprising their roles at Big Finish]], that I created a while back. Can I have the content of it? I don't know how to retrieve it now, when the page is deleted - creating it was a long and thorough process, and I don't want that work to be lost forever. And I still think it's an important and interesting Big Finish statistic that should have a place at TARDIS Data Core for the readers. If someone has problems with the way the information is displayed, the list should be somehow reorganized, not wiped out, I think… [[User:Dmitriy Volfson|Dmitriy Volfson]] [[User talk:Dmitriy Volfson|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:21, August 28, 2019 (UTC)
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| == 10,000 Dawns debate ==
| | Would the admins have any objections if I did some further entries to my "Who vs [insert]" polls? I know the cards are heavily stacked, but still...the Lord loves a tryer, eh? |
| Hiya. As I'm sure you may have seen, quite the heated debate has raged in the thread about the inclusion of 10,000 Dawns. What I'm basically asking for is an impartial admin to look over the debate and get this thing closed. The debate has examined all the relevant wiki rules concerning the original reason for the case being made against 10,000 Dawns as a crossover series, and all users bar one have decided it should be included. With the main butting heads of the debate involving two admins (myself and Amorkuz), I think it's fairer to get someone who hasn't been involved in the thread's debate to pass final judgement on the decision to include them and close the thread, or whether the debate still needs to continue. Thanks. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 20:29, August 28, 2019 (UTC)
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| == Thank you ==
| | [[User:Kevin 'Chalky' Kaiba|Kevin 'Chalky' Kaiba]] [[User talk:Kevin 'Chalky' Kaiba|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:35, 4 December 2023 (UTC) |
| Hi, I just wanted to thank you for moderating the inclusion thread. It is usually a thankless job that is, nevertheless sorely needed, especially in this case. I am, therefore, abstain from posting until you give a signal. I would, however, ask you not to close the thread before that: there are multiple statements that are so incomplete that they are very misleading (with some directed against me personally). I am planning to provide fact checking and context for them one by one, in order for the closing admin, whoever that might be, to have a complete picture. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:41, September 1, 2019 (UTC)
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| :Yes, I am also waiting when they have time to chime in. The same conclusion can be reached in different ways, and it would be indeed good to have an alternative argument heard. Unfortunately, people can be busy. Even the deletion itself happened a week or two after the decision has been made because none of us had the time originally. Thanking you for permission to speak, I'll abstain from commenting for some more time, but there is much to be discussed.
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| :Meanwhile, in regard to the invalid tags that were indeed absolutely necessary. While reverting my edits, [[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revanvolatrelundar]] not only restored the story pages but also restored information sourced from these stories on other existing in-universe pages, e.g., [[Rachel Edwards]] at the moment has a paragraph sourced from the invalid-unless-approved-by-the-inclusion-debate ''[[Rachel Survived (short story)|Rachel Survived]]'', [[Miranda Dawkins]] has an almost full paragraph from the invalid-unless-approved-by-the-inclusion-debate ''[[White Canvas (short story)|White Canvas]]'', etc. I did not want to answer to his reversal of my edits by reverting his edits in turn. That is a way to an edit war, and edit wars, especially among admin, do not benefit the wiki. It has always been the case that information from invalid stories is not allowed on in-universe parts of pages, which is why I consider these edits, edits made after he himself started the inclusion debate, to be a violation of wiki policies. But, as it is a dispute between two admin, I leave it for a third, impartial party to decide. (If needed, I can provide a complete list of the cases to be reviewed.) [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:49, September 3, 2019 (UTC)
| | Have a good rest of 2023 and a great 2024 and onward [[User:Sum41Champ]] |
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| :: Here is the list of pages I am aware of that currently contain in-universe information sourced exclusively from the three stories currently discussed at the inclusion debate (in most cases, these stories are also added in the infoboxes): | | == RE: Sockpuppet == |
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| ::* [[Gideon (A Bloody And Public Domaine)]]
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| ::* [[Hole (What Keeps Their Lines Alive)]]
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| ::* [[Littlejohn]]
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| ::* [[Miranda Dawkins]]
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| ::* [[Plume Coteries]]
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| ::* [[What Keeps Their Lines Alive (short story)]]
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| :: The following pages feature one of the stories only in the infobox
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| ::* [[Painted warrior]]
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| :: The following pages mention at least one of three stories as a source while providing also an alternative valid source:
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| ::* [[Cobweb and Ivory (short story)]]
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| :: Finally, these stories are present in [[Faction Paradox - list of appearances]].
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| :: Thank you in advance for your consideration. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:23, September 3, 2019 (UTC)
| | Hey! Hope all is going well. I don't have [[Help:CheckUser|CheckUser]] access myself, since I'm not Fandom staff, but I'll pass it along, since it seems like we have reasonable suspicion! |
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| ::: Thank you for restoring order. Let's hope that the drama will subside and we can resume business as usual. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:59, September 4, 2019 (UTC)
| | Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Happy holidays.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 18:06, 19 December 2023 (UTC) |
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| == Editor Rewards == | | : I just wanted to mention that [[User:Spongebob456]] is probably the easiest Fandom staff member to contact for things like this as he's our wiki rep. He's who I've gone to for a few similar requests in the past (which I've done through his Discord but you could probably do through his talk page). [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:46, 19 December 2023 (UTC) |
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| Hey! I'm passing by to share yet another Fandom staff blog (just making sure these don't go unseen, particularly when they're relevant to editors.) This one is about [[w:User_blog:MisterWoodhouse/Introducing_Editor_Rewards|Fandom's projects for Editor Rewards]]. You can find all the information in the blog, so not much to add on my part - feel free to check it if you wish, and comment if you have any questions/feedback. Cheers! --[[User:Playsonic2|Playsonic2]] [[User talk:Playsonic2|<span title="Talk">☎</span>]] 13:46, September 2, 2019 (UTC)
| | :: And that's exactly who I went to, in fact! But no problem at all. |
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| == Thank you for your help with image copyright ==
| | :: Spongebob456 confirmed via Discord that all the accounts you linked are, in fact, related. I'm giving indefinite blocks to the new accounts, and I'll leave it to you to decide how long to extend their sentence on whichever is their main account. Cheers{{User:SOTO/sig}} 18:55, 20 December 2023 (UTC) |
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| Thank you for bringing to my attention the lack of the relevant copyright tag on the image I uploaded—that had been an oversight on my part, and I apologise for any inconvenience.
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| I am in the process of adding the appropriate copyright tag now, would you mind having a look & see if I've got everything right this time, when you have the time? And if you have any further comments/feedback, please do let me know. [[User:AthenodoraKitten|AthenodoraKitten]] [[User talk:AthenodoraKitten|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:38, September 4, 2019 (UTC)
| | What's the purpose of the space? I See 0 effect that has on the page, Happy New Year. [[User:Sum41Champ]] |
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| == Personal attacks == | | == Trying to locate a missing thread == |
| Hi there, I've noticed you have been removing multiple replies from the ''10,000 Dawns'' forum thread for getting close to or violating [[Tardis:No personal attacks]], including one of my own. This is fine as per the rules of the wiki but I'd like to inquire why posts from [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] that were accused of but were certainly close to violating this policy were not also edited or removed entirely. From my perspective, it looks like hypocrisy of the highest order. I look forward to hearing your response. --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:42, September 11, 2019 (UTC)
| | Hell there. Hope all is well. I was wondering if you could help me with a query concerning a missing thread I am having trouble locating that is listed on several incarnations of the Doctor's articles. The thread I am referring to is mentioned as follows in the template on the articles's lede section: |
| :Thanks for your swift response. This clears up my question about why Amorkuz's posts weren't altered but it does not explain why no action has been taken against him. You blocked [[User:LilPotato|LilPotato]] for a single comment made on the debate, giving them no warning on their talk page before further action was taken. However, Amorkuz, who has been accused of violating Tardis:No personal attacks both before and after your comments asking such behaviour to stop has received nothing in the way of a block or even an official warning or message of disapproval. Did such a reprimand happen offsite (as with the original ruling) or are admins exempt from such policies? These are the only two possibilities I can think of. Thanks in advance, --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:45, September 12, 2019 (UTC)
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| :: As per your request, I will stop messaging you on the subject of Amorkuz's poor conduct. However, I felt the need to clarify some of my previous statements. My statement about the number of possibilities for the reason of no action was ill-judged; I had jumped to the conclusion that the matter had been dealt with on your end given the short period it took you to block another user for similar offences.
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| :: Secondly, I also was not aware that you had plans to contact the original victims of the personal attacks as yet again I was judging by the precedent that a courtesy note of acknowledgement is usually left indicating that a matter is being discussed but that it may take some time. | | ''As detailed at [[Thread:264489]], character pages should only have AT MOST 2-3 sentences per story, not whole paragraphs of plot detail. This page needs a major cleanup in that area.'' |
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| :: Finally, I want to address the accusation that I was "questioning [your] motives and behavior". I want to make it extremely clear that it was not my intention to do so and I completely refute any implication that I was accusing you of any wrongdoing. (And although it is irrelevant now as it was not actually what I was doing, I hope that you realise that as long as you are an admin and a more prominent representative of this community, your questionable actions will be called out just like any other user.) My messages were quite clearly surrounding Amorkuz's behaviour not your own and I consulted you in the matter as per your request on the forum thread to contact an admin with my concerns. You seemed to be the logical choice as per your actions regarding your removal of comments (and more importantly my own) about this very issue.
| | As you can see though, this link to said thread is red, hence doesn't take me anywhere when I click it. |
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| :: To elaborate further as I think you may have slightly misunderstood, my second response to you was addressed more broadly to the entire admin team of the wiki but I chose to come back to you as we had already started a dialogue. If I should have gone to [[User:CzechOut]] or someone else I apologise but have never wanted to address the actions of the admin team as a whole before so did not know who to contact.
| | Per some users (anonymous editors) removing it from the page, I began to do some digging as to the thread itself, in preparation for setting myself on the task of shortening down the Doctor articles myself in time, having already began work doing so with the CS links per my conversation with [[User:Scrooge MacDuck]]. In doing so, I discovered you are the one who added said template onto the Doctor articles back in 2020 (see the following link as an example: https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Twelfth_Doctor?diff=prev&oldid=3015495 ) |
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| :: I hope this clears things up for you and I will await the verdict of you and the admin team regarding Amorkuz keenly. --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:57, September 12, 2019 (UTC)
| | Therefore, are you able to provide me information as to the thread itself or link me to the archive where it is stored? I don't want to trouble myself shortening all the articles if this thread has been superceded or reverted, hence does not actually have to be acted upon now. In which case, I could take to removing the templates from the Doctor's articles instead. |
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| | Looking forward to your reply. [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue"> </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 17:01, 3 January 2024 (UTC) |
| Would you kindly edit [[Template:Macqueen]] so that it links to "A new lease of life" instead of "Impersonating the Doctor"? Thanks in advance. -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 11:31, September 16, 2019 (UTC)
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| ::Because it currently links to a subsection that covers only covers one story rather than the section for this incarnation of the Doctor [CORRECTION: Master]. Thanks. -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 21:16, September 19, 2019 (UTC)
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| :::Cheers. -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 18:10, September 20, 2019 (UTC)
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| | :On this subject Shambala, it ''does'' still apply, it's just sorta been rolled into the broader reforms discussed in [[Forum:Temporary forums/Subpages 2.0]], as Bongo alluded to on Snivy's talk. The work here has really been touch and go, but it's very much live policy, just a real headache to implement. And archived forum threads from the 2012-2020 forums are at [[User:SOTO/Forum Archive]]. (Well, okay, it's a bit more complicated than that, because there are actually some forum archives that can only be accessed through URLs and not that index. But it's pretty obvious where to look if you pay attention to the URLs.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:30, 4 January 2024 (UTC) |
| Hey there :) I was wondering if you could clarify something for me. I stumbled on <code><nowiki>{{simplequote}}</nowiki></code> and (having not seen it before) checked out [[Tardis:Quotes]] again to see if it was there. It wasn't. So it got me wondering about whether we use the simple quote for articles or if we only stick to the standard <code><nowiki>{{Quote}}</nowiki></code> when doing so (which is what I've always done.) If I've missed something, I'll be glad for you to clarify. All the best. [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue"> </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 07:43, September 18, 2019 (UTC)
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| Hey again! Thank you for the timely reply. :D I'm glad you were able to answer my question.
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| Funny that though how a new template for quoting was created but then not added to [[Tardis:Quotes]]. Given you found that the <code><nowiki>{{simplequote}}</nowiki></code> template is best saved for pages that are unable to use the <code><nowiki>{{Quote}}</nowiki></code> template, do you think it is worth starting a discussion for including it as part of policy specifying that we '''only''' use it when the latter template is unable to be used or shall we keep it more free flowing and say, as you said initially, an editor can use '''whichever they think is best''' when editing? Either way, I'd personally argue it should at least be added to T:Quotes, or at least placed on its own policy page for future reference.
| | From what [[User:Bongolium500]] sent me, it appears there's still the intention for the articles to be trimmed down as the template requests, it just seems no one - or very few editors - are actually bothering to do it, hence the templates remaining after 3 and a bit years of its request being placed. Same could be said for the CS link conversion since a mix of editors still use variants of the old format. If the task to do it is still needed though, and hence isn't going to be a waste of my time, I can begin implementing the change. |
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| What do you think? [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue"> </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 08:30, September 19, 2019 (UTC)
| | Thank you once more for responding to me message! [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue"> </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 11:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC) |
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| :Hey again, letting you know that [[User:CzechOut]] got back to me at [[User talk:Snivystorm|my talk page]]. I'll let you 'check out' what he said there. ;) [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue"> </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 08:33, September 20, 2019 (UTC)
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| Much like the other naming problem the other week, in the heat of the moment, while creating the new 1st Dr CC stories I created the page ''The Vardan Invasion of Earth'' instead of ''The Vardan Invasion of Mirth''.
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| Same question, could you remove it please? Thanks
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| VincentVG ☎ 16:46, September 18, 2019 (UTC)
| | Thank you so much! I appreciate the kind words. I'm always happy to fix and clean up articles whenever I see any that need it, and I'm glad to be part of such a welcoming wiki community. [[User:BlueSupergiant|BlueSupergiant]] [[User talk:BlueSupergiant|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:01, 31 January 2024 (UTC) |
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| == Virgin New Adventures ==
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| Thanks, – [[User:NateBumber|N8]] [[User_talk:NateBumber|☎]] 03:34, September 26, 2019 (UTC)
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| : Please check again. [[Thread:235670]] was closed by [[User:Revanvolatrelundar]] and moved to the Matrix Archives about two weeks ago. – [[User:NateBumber|N8]] [[User_talk:NateBumber|☎]]
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| :: How bizarre. [https://imgur.com/a/pd7bL0w From my view,] it's definitely not open: I can't add any new comments, and at the top of the page there's a (Closed) notice next to the thread title in the nav box. But I'll let him know that there's more to be done. – [[User:NateBumber|N8]] [[User_talk:NateBumber|☎]] 14:21, September 26, 2019 (UTC)
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| ::: Oh, okay! You’re right, it’s very tiny and easy to miss. Thank you for understanding, and I hope you’ve been well! – [[User:NateBumber|N8]] [[User_talk:NateBumber|☎]] 14:49, September 26, 2019 (UTC)
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| Hiya! On this same subject, when closing these threads the "closing message" section box wasn't going through to add a proper closing message (it just buffered endlessly), leaving me to pop in a final comment and then close the thread. I tried on several different devices, and had the same error every time. Just thought I'd pop in and clear things up from my end - cheers. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 15:41, September 26, 2019 (UTC)
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| Ah, I'd never thought that the length of the final post might be the problem. Cheers for that! --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 18:12, September 26, 2019 (UTC)
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| I added details on Ravenous 2 for Helen Sinclair and for whatever reason, they were removed.
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| Any chance of putting them back because I believe it was correct.
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| -Mr Thick
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| You seriously need to take a chill pill about editing the series pages, pointing out an frequent actor's last role in the series might not be notable, but talking about how a large continuity error came to be is. As well as removing information, like if how a large continuity error came to be is not notable, then how a companion was turned into a doll for one episode only shouldn't be either. Then there's putting series pages in the same format, there are two pages that don't either they're in the wrong or all the other pages are. So come on now, calm down.--[[User:Conorb59|Conorb59]] [[User talk:Conorb59|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:24, October 3, 2019 (UTC)
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| == The HAVOC File 2 Special Edition cover ==
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| Hi, just wanted to know what was wrong with the cover for The HAVOC Files 2 Special Edition. At first I thought it was deleted because of the name (that was the name it had on the Candy Jar Books website), but you've since deleted it again when it had a new name, and I thought I'd ask why. Thanks. :)
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| [[User:ThomasRWade|ThomasRWade]] [[User talk:ThomasRWade|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:24, October 3, 2019 (UTC)
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| Thanks for explaining where I went wrong. I wasn't totally sure what I'd done, so that's why I thought I'd ask you. I've now followed youar instructions. Have a good weekend.
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| [[User:ThomasRWade|ThomasRWade]] [[User talk:ThomasRWade|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:54, October 4, 2019 (UTC)
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| == Re: Forum post ==
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| Ah, I see what you mean. I apologize if I accidentally exceeded my authority in my pointing out of it.
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| Nevertheless, I find it curious to see you write that it's among other things not my job "to decide" whether he must follow [[Tardis:You are bound by current policy]]. Unless the Wiki turned into a dictatorship where admins are above the law while I wasn't looking, it's not a matter of ''decision'', whether mine or anyone else's — by ''definition'' a user should follow Tardis's policies, of which T:BOUND is a rather fundamental one.
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| This was also within the scope of the inclusion debate, wherein which Amorkuz participates as a user like any other, trying to get at the truth of whether the ''100,000 Dawns'' crossovers pass the Four Little Rules. I wouldn't have started bedeviling an admin about T:BOUND ''concerning an admin decision'', but this wasn't one; I can't see how a debate is supposed to get anywhere if because some of the people participating in it happen to be admins, users are now prevented from pointing out when some of these people's reasonings are fallacious.
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| --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:43, October 4, 2019 (UTC)
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| Here's a suggestion, if you don't want people editing the series pages, how about you get rid of those badges you get when you make a certain amount of edits on the series pages. They feel like they're challenging me to edit the series pages and you don't think anything notable can be added (and everything already on them is notable so can't be removed).
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| Understood. The image on the [[Yvonne Hartman]] page should be changed back to [[:File:YvonneWithTroops.jpg|this image]] as the current one is one that I uploaded and added without any discussion. -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 14:18, October 10, 2019 (UTC)
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| Hello. I notice that [[Tardis:Citation]] and [[Tardis:Prefixes]] makes no reference as to how to cite images from the covers of box sets themselves, as opposed to the episodes within. I wonder if you might know how such images should be cited on pages. Thanks in advance. -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 14:41, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
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| :Sorry, let me rephrase. For images that come from the cover of an anthology rather than the cover of a story (e.g. the cover of ''Dark Eyes 2'' rather than ''The Traitor'') how would one cite the picture? Would "AUDIO: Dark Eyes 2" do or something else, do you know? -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 23:15, October 12, 2019 (UTC)
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| ::Cheers, I appreciate it. -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 13:18, October 17, 2019 (UTC)
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| == Linking to the same thread! ==
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| D'oh. Thank you for pointing that out so speedily! I've fixed the link now :) – [[User:NateBumber|N8]] [[User_talk:NateBumber|☎]] 15:04, October 16, 2019 (UTC)
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| == Dalek Battlecruiser image removal. ==
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| It would help if you actually bothered say anything about what I did wrong when putting up a completely ordinary image on the dalek Battlecruiser page rather than just mentioning policy. Or do you just think I'm a twat? - FlowG32
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| == 10,000 Dawns thread closure clarification ==
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| Hi Shambala, I have some questions about [[Thread:258247#76]]. This is ''not'' meant to argue with you or try to get the decision overturned; instead, I'm just trying to clarify what exactly it is that you're saying in the closing statement, as it appears to have the potential to set wide-ranging precedent for a variety of other stories on the wiki that crossover with other series, as is the case with the three stories that were being discussed. There are two quotes I want to ask you to elaborate on in particular:
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| Those are good quotes: the situation as I understand it from [[Thread:258247#1|the OP]] is that ''10,000 Dawns'' is indeed a standalone series set in a science fiction universe completely independent of ''Doctor Who'', and the three stories up for discussion were explicitly-branded licensed crossovers between the ''10KD'' and ''DW'' universes. Within the individual stories, it is made quite clear that the ''DW'' characters and the ''10KD'' characters originate from different universes and are jumping between them to interact.
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| As your post reads, it seems that a major reason why you closed the debate in the way that you did was that Rule 4 was violated by those three stories. I want some clarity on this because there are a number of valid crossover stories where Doctor Who elements appear in a non-Doctor-Who-related series, and there have been several recent threads to this effect, such as [[Thread:213311]] and [[Thread:257153]].
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| Now, based on your post, crossovers should only be valid if the universe that Doctor Who elements are crossing over with is already connected to Doctor Who in some way. Is that a fair reading? It's an imminently reasonable new precedent, and one that will undoubtedly simplify many future inclusion debates, so I just want to make certain that I'm not misunderstanding you and that I will be able to correctly cite your post as precedent in the future.
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| {{quote|As has been pointed out before, the large majority of readers/users on this site only care about ''Doctor Who''. We do allow a very large percentage of other stories onto the wiki, but unfortunately sometimes we have to draw the line for those that are two or more times removed from the DWU.|[[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]]|https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:258247#76}}
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| Here my question is, where exactly is that line being drawn? The way I was looking at it, ''[[White Canvas (short story)|White Canvas]]'' is exactly 1 degree removed from ''Doctor Who'': it features characters from BBC ''Doctor Who'' releases such as ''[[Short Trips (anthology)|Short Trips]]'', ''[[Father Time (novel)|Father Time]]'', etc. The only way the story could be 2 or more times removed from ''Doctor Who'' would be if we considered books like the [[BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures]] or the [[Short Trips (series)|Short Trips]] series to themselves be 1 degree away from Doctor Who (a reasonable stance to take, since arguably Doctor Who is itself a TV show, and the books are spinoffs). Is this the stance we take?
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| I ask because, if this is the case, it finally gives me the precedent for requesting that we reconsider a vast number of stories that are 2 or more degrees removed from TVDW: for instance, the ''[[Bernice Summerfield (series)|Bernice Summerfield]]'' and ''[[Iris Wildthyme (series)|Iris Wildthyme]]'' series, among many others. For a while now I've privately longed for the deportation of all that content to a dedicated "Expanded Whoniverse" wiki or summat, so if you can clarify if this gives me the precedent to ask for such a thing a la the [[w:c:10kdawns|10,000 Dawns Wiki]] that you pointed out, I'd very much appreciate it.
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| The credit should be given to the thing from which they're drawn — so in the case of an anthology, it's that anthology's cover. The image, after all, doesn't ''actually'' come from any story, but is rather the amalgam of disparate elements used to ''market'' that anthology. It's important that readers understand that it came from the anthology rather than confusingly pointing to one story within it.
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Something you might want to look into[[edit source]]
Hello, User:Shambala108.
Sorry to disturb you with this, but I felt you needed to be informed of this edit here, where, even after I informed them on what you once told me about how featuring is to only include recurring characters to prevent overcrowding, User:Epsilon the Eternal still readded a single episode character to the section, essentially because they were pivotal to the plot, and then justified it by saying that an admin's word is not policy and can be ignored (at least by my reading of their edit summery). And why the character in question, Rose Noble, had showed up in a short story, they have ignored my explanation that the short story doesn't make her a recurring character due to it's nature as a prelude to the episode and my request for a few weeks of patience to see if she returns.
I've actually been meaning to message you about them and their decorum for some time, but this blatant disregard towards your words has pushed me into action now. For the past few months, their edit summaries have included treating arguments against their edits as attacks on the merit of their opinion, reverted edits based on actions not yet taken, put "More to Added" on fully released articles instead of contributing themselves, indulge in rude wording on multiple occasions (even using the name of the Lord in vain), and engaged in unneeded hostilities on talk pages.
I was hoping to ask if you could have a word with them, if it's not to much trouble, to inform them on proper Wiki etiquette towards other editors, and to avoid getting to personal in their edit summaries, and to remind them of why the featuring section on story pages is just for recurring characters.
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
BananaClownMan ☎ 04:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Shambala. There's the potential for an edit war at Beep the Meep. Wondering if you could help resolve it. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 22:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
I've looked through your cited page above, and looked over the linked examples.
I'm also aware of both editors' edits throughout the past few years, although acknowledge I've not been as active as I had been in the past.
I generally come at this from the perspective of 'is there a policy I can point to for a reason for this edit'. Epsilon does cite many of their edits regarding a policy. However the edit summary war is something that cannot continue, it's a nightmare to cite any discussion and it's not what the summaries are for regardless.
I'm unsure on a few of the cited issues by Banana, but can see how they may find some things vexatious.
I think all users can have their issues, and while Epsilon has had a few citations against them in the past, there have been extraneous circumstances around those in some regards.
We've not had a proper forum to engage new policies for in some time, and that's where rulings should come into play. Citing a reason for an edit especially something which might result in an edit war over inclusion of a character (or not) should be backed up by a talk page decision, forum or policy. Citing the word of an admin while it might seem like the 'voice of the flying spaghetti monster' in terms of resolving or justifying an edit, however it is better to be citing a policy or discussion. --Tangerineduel / talk 01:49, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Shambala. This page keeps being vandalised. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 13:54, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
My "Who vs elsewhere" polls[[edit source]]
Hello,
Would the admins have any objections if I did some further entries to my "Who vs [insert]" polls? I know the cards are heavily stacked, but still...the Lord loves a tryer, eh?
Kevin 'Chalky' Kaiba ☎ 22:35, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
Merry Christmas And Happy New Year[[edit source]]
Have a good rest of 2023 and a great 2024 and onward User:Sum41Champ
Hey! Hope all is going well. I don't have CheckUser access myself, since I'm not Fandom staff, but I'll pass it along, since it seems like we have reasonable suspicion!
Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Happy holidays.
× SOTO contribs ×°/↯/•] 💬•| {/-//: 18:06, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- I just wanted to mention that User:Spongebob456 is probably the easiest Fandom staff member to contact for things like this as he's our wiki rep. He's who I've gone to for a few similar requests in the past (which I've done through his Discord but you could probably do through his talk page). Bongo50 ☎ 18:46, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- And that's exactly who I went to, in fact! But no problem at all.
- Spongebob456 confirmed via Discord that all the accounts you linked are, in fact, related. I'm giving indefinite blocks to the new accounts, and I'll leave it to you to decide how long to extend their sentence on whichever is their main account. Cheers
× SOTO contribs ×°/↯/•] 💬•| {/-//: 18:55, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
What's the purpose of the space? I See 0 effect that has on the page, Happy New Year. User:Sum41Champ
Trying to locate a missing thread[[edit source]]
Hell there. Hope all is well. I was wondering if you could help me with a query concerning a missing thread I am having trouble locating that is listed on several incarnations of the Doctor's articles. The thread I am referring to is mentioned as follows in the template on the articles's lede section:
As detailed at Thread:264489, character pages should only have AT MOST 2-3 sentences per story, not whole paragraphs of plot detail. This page needs a major cleanup in that area.
As you can see though, this link to said thread is red, hence doesn't take me anywhere when I click it.
Per some users (anonymous editors) removing it from the page, I began to do some digging as to the thread itself, in preparation for setting myself on the task of shortening down the Doctor articles myself in time, having already began work doing so with the CS links per my conversation with User:Scrooge MacDuck. In doing so, I discovered you are the one who added said template onto the Doctor articles back in 2020 (see the following link as an example: https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Twelfth_Doctor?diff=prev&oldid=3015495 )
Therefore, are you able to provide me information as to the thread itself or link me to the archive where it is stored? I don't want to trouble myself shortening all the articles if this thread has been superceded or reverted, hence does not actually have to be acted upon now. In which case, I could take to removing the templates from the Doctor's articles instead.
Looking forward to your reply. Snivy ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦ 17:01, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- On this subject Shambala, it does still apply, it's just sorta been rolled into the broader reforms discussed in Forum:Temporary forums/Subpages 2.0, as Bongo alluded to on Snivy's talk. The work here has really been touch and go, but it's very much live policy, just a real headache to implement. And archived forum threads from the 2012-2020 forums are at User:SOTO/Forum Archive. (Well, okay, it's a bit more complicated than that, because there are actually some forum archives that can only be accessed through URLs and not that index. But it's pretty obvious where to look if you pay attention to the URLs.) Najawin ☎ 05:30, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I know what you mean about the loading times. My experience on mobile viewing is atrocious for the long character articles and editing on mobile is near-impossible for me on them because it seems to crash or be so long to respond to the changes, even in source editor. Hence, I near-exclusively edit on desktop these days. I completely understand why editors appear apathetic to the change though; perhaps its the perks of superior internet speed or something, but these long articles do make editing a chore sometimes, necessitating having to edit solely in sections rather than whole page edits.
From what User:Bongolium500 sent me, it appears there's still the intention for the articles to be trimmed down as the template requests, it just seems no one - or very few editors - are actually bothering to do it, hence the templates remaining after 3 and a bit years of its request being placed. Same could be said for the CS link conversion since a mix of editors still use variants of the old format. If the task to do it is still needed though, and hence isn't going to be a waste of my time, I can begin implementing the change.
Thank you once more for responding to me message! Snivy ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦ 11:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
I Sent you a message on the purpose of spacing categories and you didn't get back. You have to give a solid reason as to how that affect a page for me to know the issue. User:Sum41Champ
Thank you so much! I appreciate the kind words. I'm always happy to fix and clean up articles whenever I see any that need it, and I'm glad to be part of such a welcoming wiki community. BlueSupergiant ☎ 19:01, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
