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== Template boxes for every Doctor Who novel ==
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Seeing as you have a template box for TDA and EDA I think we should have one for every doctor and maybe even Torchwood Novels. --Catkind121 10:47, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
== Wiki Manager ==


==Howling==
Hi Tangerineduel! My name is Playsonic2 and I’m the Fandom Wiki Manager assigned to TARDIS Data Core. I am here to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff.


I'll be honest I've never actually looked at the Howling. I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea to have an OG-style forum only because Wikis do become a bit of a community and if there isn't an outlet for discussion then people start doing it on the talk pages, which is of course what we want to avoid. Problem is, of course, you do need to have a monitor for such a thing because people will inevitably misuse it, either by posting stuff that isn't allowed on the wiki (like libel) or personalities will clash. It might be too late to close the barn door on this, but it may be time to try and find an admin dedicated to keeping an eye on the thing. And yeah, setting firm ground rules is never a bad idea. As far as the alert box, remember once you change a template they all change, so if you want to darken it a bit or even remove the color entirely, that's easily done. I support the idea of the box - Wikipedia uses something similar, for the same reasons - it just needs a little tweaking and maybe some ground rules as to when it should be employed. (I really sound like I'm advocating "rule creep" aren't I? For the record I don't believe we need hard and fast rules for everything, but in some cases it's not a bad idea). [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 13:32, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
I also happen to be an administrator at the Spanish Doctor Who Wiki, which has me spending considerable amount of time here (adding interlanguage links mostly). I know this wiki wonderfully organised and that [[user:CzechOut|CzechOut]] assists with any technical issues, but if there are ever any issues I could assist with, I would be pleased to help. I will be available on my talk page! ~[[User:Playsonic2|Playsonic2]] 09:03, May 20, 2019 (UTC)


==Manual of Style additions, too==
:Heya! Just here to let you know that Fandom now has an official Discord server and lots of editors are joining. In [[w:User blog:MisterWoodhouse/The Official Discord Server for Fandom and Gamepedia Editors|this blog post at Community Central]] you can find more information, as well as a server invite link if you wish to join us. There are many editors there, as well as staff members, and a variety of channels. Cheers! [[User:Playsonic2|Playsonic2]] [[User talk:Playsonic2|<span title="Talk">☎</span>]] 07:46, July 11, 2019 (UTC)
I also took a few minutes and added some sections to the Manual of Style. See what you think. I've added a section on Talk Pages, as well as ones on "acceptable sources" and "neutral point of view". I was inspired to do this by someone who posted a link to a tabloid article on [[The Woman]] in order to further the opinion that she's the Doctor's mother. I remember when Kylie was supposed to be a Cyberwoman according to these same sources. The Talk Page section ties in with the new tag. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 20:21, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
* Aaah! I forgot we need to discuss changes on the Discussion page first. I'm going to revert my changes and post them there first instead. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 20:29, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
** Thanks. I'll give the MoS a look when I have some time (just about to jump into a bunch of real-life work). BBS means "bulletin board system". It's a slightly outdated term used to refer to forums (dating back to the days before browsers when BBSes ruled the Internet), but it's still used by a few sites most notably the Trek BBS. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 13:21, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
***It's a very well known term that's still in wide use. Usenet is also still used, as is newsgroups. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 14:10, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
**** Speaking of terminology, it might be worth adding to the MoS a decision on how to refer to the revival seasons. Moffat apparently has muddied the waters in the latest DWM by suggesting Series 5 be either Season 31 or Season 1, which means we might have people unilaterally moving articles. Personally I'd be quite happy to renumber everything from Season 27 in 2005 and move up (and maybe call the Specials year Season 30 1/2 or something). But I can imagine the tons of links that will need to be changed. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 19:47, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
***** Re: the TV movie. Well, considering it's such a standalone, I wouldn't think it appropriate to consider it part of any season. And it's in good company, because for all people's attempts to make The Next Doctor part of Season 4, it and the four specials are pretty much going to be set on their own anyway, so it's in good company. There's also a school of thought that suggests the other Christmas specials not be included in any season, and there's also the mini-episodes. I'm a little annoyed at recent DWM articles which seemed to be advocating for the mini-episodes to not be canon. I can understand with Music of the Spheres because it breaks the fourth wall, and the Attack of the Graske game. But Children in Need and Time Crash should be part of canon, and I'd go so far as to say the same goes for the Comic Relief Sarah Jane mini-episode, too. In any regard, I agree that time will tell what ultimately becomes the standard definition for the next season, though we may have to wait till the DVD/Blu-Ray box set to find out for certain! [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 12:48, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
****** Not a random tangent at all. I agree there should be a way of better integrating the TVM. One possibility is to do what Virgin's "Handbook" series did and roll the TVM into discussion of the Seventh Doctor (since it's a Seventh Doctor story, too). One possibility might be to incorporate the TVM in some way into the [[Season 26]] article. Not declare it part of 26, you understand, but just include a subsection like "after Season 26" or "interregnum" or something. Sort of like how I inserted a brief section about The Next Doctor into the 2009 Specials article. Alternately, we could launch an article on the "Wilderness years" and place it between Season 26 and Series 1/Season 27 so people following along through the infoboxes can find their way there. I like that idea, because not only could such an article cover the TVM, but also the numerous independent productions like Downtime and Shakedown and Big Finish audios -- things that, in my opinion, were as important in keeping the franchise alive as the novels and anything else. It would also be a handy spot for people unfamiliar with this era of the franchise. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 18:20, January 19, 2010 (UTC)


== Writers Comics ==
== BBC ==
(Facepalm). Thanks for the heads up. I've made my case. If those guys want to start making this place elitist like Wikipedia I'm out of here. I assume they'll want to delete [[The Last Doctor]] and [[Doctor Who and the Silver Spiral]] next. I appreciate your support for it, though! [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 14:07, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
* I disagree 100%. Last Doctor was written by Paul Cornell. The other is a short story that has been reported in major media (unless you don't consider Scientific American major). If ever there was a case for exceptions this is it. I only create articles after due consideration of their appropriateness and this is supposed to be a Doctor Who wiki which covers all aspects of Who fandom. Fanfic done in an informal fashion is one thing, but neither of these examples fall into that category. If we delete those then frankly ALL the novels must be deleted as well, because there is a widely held definition of fanfic that includes spin-off novels. I ran into that in Wikipedia when an attempt was made to delete all of the Star Trek novels. And what about things like [[I Am the Doctor: The Unauthorised Diaries of a Timelord]], [[Farewell Great Macedon (book)]], [[The Doctor and the Enterprise]]? By rights deleting those short stories renders those releases invalid, along with [[Campaign]]. Actually, that's a great example. If we delete [[The Last Doctor]] then we have to delete Campaign and all the charity book articles, too. And then we can start on [[Downtime]] and [[Shakedown: Return of the Sontarans]] which are also technically fanfic. It's a slippery slope. And frankly if I'm going to be forced to second-guess my contributions to this place, I might start having second thoughts about contributing in the future.[[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 15:07, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
** We're just going to have to agree to disagree, because in my opinion once things like Last Doctor disappear into other articles that's just it - they ''disappear'' and people won't find out about them. Doctor and the Enterprise was a book I purchased at a local equivalent of Barnes & Noble -- where no other Doctor Who books were even being sold. I think exceptions are warranted, considering, for example, The Last Doctor has been described as a sequel to the two newspaper stories Cornell published. And I'm not sure what musicians have to do with the argument because I wouldn't include them just because of the name - though if there's a major Doctor Who influence I do mention them in the timeline, just for interest's sake. I'm probably just going to stick with editing the Timeline for awhile - admin requests notwithstanding - because I really do disagree with disqualifying these particular stories - and once again I'm talking about items with extenuating circumstances such as being written by an established writer, being professionally published, or receiving media attention, not stuff just written by fans -- and I'm including in that, for example, individual episodes of Audio Visuals which were at the time they were made completely unofficial audio fanfic; I wouldn't support individual articles. Nor would I, say, go for individual issue articles for fanzines like Enlightenment. Rolling the exceptions (back to the short stories) into a catchall article no one will think to look for, or handing them off to another Wiki I didn't even know existed, is the same as ignoring them. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 15:43, February 1, 2010 (UTC)


== Discontinuity; Plot Holes and Errors Sections In Episode Pages ==
Hi, thanks for merging the BBC pages. I just finished removing all the links to "BBC (real world)" and deleted that page. [[User:OncomingStorm12th]] and I cleaned up the [[BBC]] page, so it flows better. Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:20, June 28, 2019 (UTC)
I was wondering about the discontinuity, plot holes and errors sections and if we could introduce dividing them into discontinuity, plot hole and error sub-sections. As some are particually large and are quite hard to read, such as the End of Time's one, which I have already attempted to divide up, but people keep reverting back to the mass list of points. lottie01 23:10, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
* This is a good idea. But there should be criteria as to what constitutes a discontinuity vs plot hole, etc. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 15:43, February 1, 2010 (UTC)


== Google maps ==
== Mark I Travel Machine ==
Hi there. This will be a blast from the past: over ten years ago now you [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Guilt_(audio_story)?diff=prev&oldid=238819 edited] [[AUDIO]]: ''[[Guilt (audio story)|Guilt]]'' and added a note that the prototype Dalek seen in the story was of the same design (by description and implication) seen in [[TV]]: ''[[The Daleks (TV story)|The Daleks]]''. If you remember could you please elaborate on this description and implication as I find it hard to reconcile this fact as the Daleks Davros eventually presented to the world were Mark III Travel Machines and not Mark Is. Thanks in advance. --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:01, September 21, 2019 (UTC)


Not sure if I have the right person, but ya seem admin-y enough for me.  I'd like to request that ''you'' request Google maps to be enabled on the wiki.  It'd be helpful for the studio/location pages.  For instance, [[BBC Television Centre]] currently has to do this clumsy footnoting thing to Google maps, which it doesn't technically have to do for rights reasons.  Google does in fact allow Wikia to use its maps, but the wikia owner has to request it.
== About the Deceased category ==


[http://help.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Google_maps Here's the info] from the Help! wikia. Thanks! '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 15:40, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
A few days ago, I noticed there was no deceased category for this wiki, so I thought I should create one. So I tried, and saw that you had chosen for this page not to be created, as you judged it not useful since all articles were written in the past tense.
Of course, a deceased category for a time-travel related series isn't an easy task. Should be put any characters that most likely died of old age in this category ? Personally, I don't think so. In my opinion, if we were to have such a category on this wiki, only the ones whose deaths were either witnessed in the series or seen as absolute (for instance Amy and Rory's), when we know those characters will very most likely never be seen again. Well, they could in some extreme cases, then they will just be removed.
So as you probably have guessed by now, I am writing this message to you in order to ask you to re-considerate your decision regarding this category.
Of course, in the case where you would accept, I would gladly take care of filling this category myself (i have seen all the new series but not the old ones yet, it's only a matter of time).
I will then await for your decision on this matter,
With all due respect,


== Episode Infobox ==
[[User:ThePurpleShadow|ThePurpleShadow]] [[User talk:ThePurpleShadow|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:21, October 27, 2019 (UTC)


I think that we should add another section underneath "Enemy" with a list of appearances from other aliens and/or races just so it highlights them out. I think it may help readers as well who are looking for say something in particular and if they see they appeared in such a such it would be easier to be spotted out. The reason why I think this is beacause looking through species etc I came across quite a few that I'd never seen before and didn't even realise they where in such a such an episode. What do you think and how would I find the means of going about this? -- [[User:Michael Downey|Michael Downey]] 14:08, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
== Re:Deceased category ==


Oh yeah I see what you mean and I think all pages should be like that which I will try and look into doing it on all of the televised episodes but I still think there should just be a little section with bullet points of others for example in the episode Planet of the Dead the tritovores where not enemies but should be in pointed out just to have appeared as its to the top of the page so it gives a quick reminder to viewers that they appeared in this episode. (That episode was just an example but there are many more) -- [[User:Michael Downey|Michael Downey]] 14:43, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks to your message, I now understand your point of view better. There is indeed a lot I didn't take into account when I thought this category was needed on this wiki. I usually visit wikis and recently have been adding/completing deceased categories on others, like Reborn's for example. So when I saw this one I thought it was missing, and it could have been useful. But now I see why this isn't the case, and I am sorry I bothered you for such a matter.
Anyway, thanks again for taking the time to write me a reply that could enlighten me about this wiki,


Yes I see but it is a quick summary itself it will literally be bullet points of what others appeared like the enemies. Not all of the characters just for example a race or species that appeared but where not an enemy. If it is done properly and put in a form that makes it still a summary I don't think it will get out of hand. We could try out some system and if it does then we can easily revert it but I think it may benefit a bit to narrowing it down as a summary. -- [[User:Michael Downey|Michael Downey]] 14:54, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
[[User:ThePurpleShadow|ThePurpleShadow]] [[User talk:ThePurpleShadow|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:15, October 29, 2019 (UTC)


I know but thinking about it, it doesn't really matter how long it is for example on Wikipedia they list all of their entire cast on their infobox and page so they don't really need it but they still do because its the first thing you see on the page and it stands out that's why I think there should be a list because it catches the readers eye of to who appeared in the episode instead of looking for it because some episode pages are not detailed and/or labeled properly so some pages don't even say a species exist until you come across them randomly and they say they appeared in such a such a episode. -- [[User:Michael Downey|Michael Downey]] 15:10, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
== Tardis:User rights nominations ==
Hi. As you know, since you left a brief comment there, I've started a self-nomination over [[Tardis:User rights nominations]]. I'm not sure how up-to-track you've been keeping yourself around the wiki, but I thought of bringing to your attention that the usual "one week" period for comments has passed, and you might (if you have the time to, of course) weight in if more time's need or something of the sorts. Anyway, thanks in advance. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:36, January 31, 2020 (UTC)
:Yeah, I saw on your "contributions" section that you still show up once in a while. I'm glad to see this. Also, thanks for closing it. Now into new territory. :) [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:54, February 1, 2020 (UTC)


== Categories ==
== Left-over vandalism ==
Hey. Thanks for dealing with the two vandals just now. As per the restrictions in [[Tardis:Vandalism policy]] regarding removal of others' comments may I have your permission to remove all the comments at [[User talk:Borisashton#Singular they]]? Thanks in advance. --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:11, February 5, 2020 (UTC)
:I'd like to say thanks too and ask the same regarding my own page. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:15, February 5, 2020 (UTC)
::Thanks. Also, I have no idea how to archive the talk page discussions. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:48, February 5, 2020 (UTC)


Thanks for noticing :)  I have to say, though, that's probably the hardest thing I've ever done here, in terms of amount of thinking versus quantity of material to show for it. I hate doin' categories as a non-admin because I don't have the power to simply move things.  I find there are more changes I would make if I didn't just have to accept category names that were already there.  For example, [[:Category:Creatures]] is a name that provides little definition (every living thing is a creature), but I'm not gonna change it because I'd have to individually change 60 or so pages. And that's a silly waste of time.  Also, I have to think forever about a new cat title, so that I don't clunk up the works with a lot of failed efforts.  Even then, though, I find I make the occasional mistake. It would be so helpful if I could just move cats and delete the old cats left behind. I don't guess there's a way to channel the limited power of deleting just category pages is there?  It would make the process so much faster. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 14:53, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
== Re: Template order ==
::Hey, can a category be deleted even though it has members?  Or do the members have to be purged of the cat before the cat can be deleted? '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 16:56, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, it makes sense. Since most of these "small, rectangle templates" usually go on top, I'd assumed it was ended up being moved to the bottom of the page during a bot run, and went sort of unnoticed, but now looking at the page history I realize it was there since day one. Will change it back. Thanks for the heads up. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] ([[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|talk]]) 16:15, February 5, 2020 (UTC)


==New license for [[K9TV]] pics==
== Just FYI, since you banned them ==
Hey, I just noticed that the license for [[:Template:Screenshot]] really won't work for pics from the new K9 series, as that series isn't © BBC.  Yeah I know the language gives the wiggle room of "though not limited to", but that's kinda lazy since we know the copyright holders of K9.  Therefore, I created [[:template:K9-screenshot]], but I don't know how to get it in the drop-down list.  Any guesses how to do that?  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 22:52, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
::Hmmm, when you say "screenshots from spin-offs which the BBC don't have ownership over", what are you talking about, exactly?  BBV stuff?  In placing the non-canonical template on most of these pages, I noticed that there aren't more than a handful of these pics around.  In fact, most of the BBV pages just had a picture of the video cover — which would be [[:template:Promotional]] — not something from the show itself.  Surely it'd be better just to create a BBV-screenshot template for these tiny few.  Though, come to think of it, there's already [[:template:film-screenshot]] which could be repurposed for that, since technically they are direct-to-video films. Far as I know, there are no television screenshots, except for maybe a few station idents, which aren't under the BBC's control.  And these could be just as easily classed as [[:template:promotional]], anyway. 


::Point is that there are really just three major types of screenshot.  There's stuff from the BBC, which comprises something like 99% of the screenshots we have. Then there's like 10 or so BBV shots. Then there's currently 10 K9 shots. The K9 stuff will likely grow quite quickly, whereas the BBV stuff will quite possibly never substantially increase.
[[User:Dissident Prodigy]] appears to be a sock puppet [[User:Unbanned reality talk]]. The former was created suspiciously quickly after the latter was banned, the names are vaguely similar, and the former’s only contributions are removing messages insulting the latter from his talk page (including that one message about mentioning logical fallacies by name being ‘reddit-tier arguing’, which, if you look at the history, the latter kept trying to remove - obviously it hit too close to home), as well as a supsicious cryptic comment about the ‘shoe [being] on the other foot’ on Shamabala’s talk page. Probably something you should look into. [[Special:Contributions/82.132.220.11|82.132.220.11]]<sup>[[User talk:82.132.220.11#top|talk to me]]</sup> 13:04, February 6, 2020 (UTC)


::I strongly feel that, from a legal standpoint, we '''definitely''' need to have a separate tag for K9, because the "and/or original owners" thing (which now reads "other parties may have ownership rights as well") doesn't sufficiently address the ownership rights of the K9 producers.
== Thanks ==
Thank you for putting an end to [[User:120.20.195.104]]'s obstruction of the Wikia. It started on the Series 12 page, which admin Shambala108 had to lock because they continued to undo facts. I replied to Shambala on the talk page to do something and they kept counter-arguing it. Then I took to editing other pages, which they then kept undoing, obstructing work. Then I had to report to Shambala108 about it, which they followed and kept trying to argue again, this time going at me with personal attacks. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:10, February 9, 2020 (UTC)
:Furthermore they also broke the [[Tardis:Spoiler policy]] by naming spoilers outside the series page, specifically on Shambala's talk page. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:15, February 9, 2020 (UTC)


::So the question is, how do we make a change most efficiently?  I think we keep [[:template:screenshot]] instead of changing it to [[:template:BBC-screenshot]], because there's ''almost'' no distinction between screenshot and BBC-screenshots.  Then if we repurpose film to include language that mentions BBV, or make a new BBV-specific template, we cover that base in a matter of minutes.  Then, we keep the K9 tag, which has already been applied to everything currently on the site. 
Hopefully, you are right. But I do have my worries that this could continue. And without accusations, I do have slight suspicions that this in itself is a continuation of past actions, as I do remember a user of the past (half a year back or so) who engaged in the same kind of actions with the same motives. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:31, February 9, 2020 (UTC)


::Then you add them all to the drop-down, change the titles so it's obvious, and there we have it.  I mean, it's obvious the title of the template in the drop down is not the same thing as the title of the template page itself.  "Screenshot" could be retitled ''in the drop down'' as "BBC screenshot". "K9-screenshot" could become K9 TV series screenshot", and "film-screenshot" could become "Other screenshots".  The only thing I can think of that might not be covered in this would be stuff of which we don't even have screenshots, I don't think. I suppose it would be possible for someone to upload a picture from one of the [[31 Who]] segments, notably the one included on ''The Three Doctors'' DVD, or maybe from a documentary that wasn't produced by 2 entertain or BBV, but you're into the realm of fan video and footage from news interviews there. We could make a separate template for that, too, but I doubt there's even one photo on the site from that sort of very marginal material on the site,  so there wouldn't be anything to "undo". '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 09:14, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
The user is back at again with these removals of sourced material. Could you please take action before this escalates once again? Thank you. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:37, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
:You agree it's unsourced? Cheers! Best to lock the page again so Danny doesn't edit-war. [[Special:Contributions/120.20.172.137|120.20.172.137]]<sup>[[User talk:120.20.172.137#top|talk to me]]</sup> 07:40, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
::YOU edit-war because you won't accept the facts as they are. YOU were blocked for this. Not once, but twice. Tangerineduel was easy on you with a one day block, but Shambala made your block longer for these actions. Why can't you take the hint that you are messing the page up by doing this? --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:45, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
:::You admitted it's unsourced. You agree with me. Thank you! Why can't you read what you say? [[Special:Contributions/120.20.172.137|120.20.172.137]]<sup>[[User talk:120.20.172.137#top|talk to me]]</sup> 07:47, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
::::"I think you need reading glasses. I didn't agree. I said you removed SOURCED material. Do you never get tired of going against this Wikia? You'll probably end up getting another block. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:49, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
:::::How's it sourced? Explain to me where it says it's definitely a Christmas special. Also point me to the part where it says it may be completely wrong. If you can't, then ''I think you need reading glasses''. [[Special:Contributions/120.20.172.137|120.20.172.137]]<sup>[[User talk:120.20.172.137#top|talk to me]]</sup> 07:59, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
::::::You tried this once before, remember? Without luck. Oh, and you have no respect for the spoiler policy as you again posted a spoiler where they are not allowed. I'm done with arguing this fact that you can't accept. The admins can take it from here. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:10, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
:::::::Because you won't read the source. Just admit it. You've never opened it. You'll never even ''mention'' the bit where it says the source could be wrong. Copy-paste it. I dare you. Bet you won't. Scared of admitting you're wrong. [[Special:Contributions/120.20.172.137|120.20.172.137]]<sup>[[User talk:120.20.172.137#top|talk to me]]</sup> 08:21, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
::::::::Read it multiple times, thanks. Still not wrong. Oh, and why would I deliberately break the spoiler policy? --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:29, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::Clearly not. Told you that you won't confirm that I'm right concerning the source. I'm right again? Wow! I'll be back here when it airs before Christmas, just to tell you that I told you so. [[Special:Contributions/120.20.172.137|120.20.172.137]]<sup>[[User talk:120.20.172.137#top|talk to me]]</sup> 08:31, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::The only regrettable thing is that I can't deal with disobedient Wikia-trolls like you myself and I have to pester another poor admin to take care of it because people like you keep coming back for more. Unable to accept things as they are. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:39, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
::::::::::Unable to accept sources as they are? Hey, that's you! Won't even accept what it says. Can I make my CV, say that I paid for the whole series since 1963 and put in online? That's a reliable source, yeah? You seem to think so! [[Special:Contributions/120.20.172.137|120.20.172.137]]<sup>[[User talk:120.20.172.137#top|talk to me]]</sup> 08:50, February 19, 2020 (UTC)


==Navigational sidebar on the left==
== Re: UCP and nomination ==
So.  Yanno that that box on the top left underneath the search bar?  The one that acts as a quick navigation to major categories and articles?  I've just noticed that there's not a single link to anything having to do with behind-the-scenes information (unless you count stories as behind-the-scenes).  Is there any way we can add to that menu so that we can quickly find, for example, the actors, producers, directors, writers, merchandise, production info cats? '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 15:33, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
Ah, thank you for getting back to me! Yes, that sounds fair. And I have indeed familiarised myself with the UCP on other Wikis; seemed only sensible.  
:Okay, cool. I need to have some downtime for a bit, but I'll get you a list shortly.  Basic thought is, though, that it definitely shouldn't be under "stories".  It should be under its own category called "Behind-the-scenes".  Some other wikis for franchises don't necessarily cover merchandise, so it's probably important to make it clear that we do. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 09:19, February 10, 2010 (UTC)


== Article deleted/salted ==
(I don't think it will affect the Wiki ''too'' badly, from what I've seen; the only area where I'm worried is the Forum, depending on how we handle the situation. In fact, the option to fill in image file descriptions ''within'' the source editor of a ''page'', rather than having to go through [[Special:Upload]] ahead of time, even seems like it might help significantly with issues of new users posting images without any licenses or categories.) --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:22, September 20, 2020 (UTC)
Just a heads up, a few minutes ago an anonymous IP created [[Doctor Who Tour of Locations]] which was nothing more than an ad for some tour a guy is organizing. I deleted the article (it certainly met the criteria of quick deletion) and since the IP might just try and recreate it, I placed a block on it (I think the Wikipedia term is "salting"). Just a heads up that the IP might try and create it again under another name. I left a message on the IP's talk page recommending he go to Gallifrey Base or some other forum to put up his ads. I actually thought IP's weren't allowed to create articles. It might be worth changing that setting as articles created by unregistered users often end up being stuff like this. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 15:47, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
:Well… as you'll doubtless have noticed, we ''have'', now, moved to the UCP, for better or for worse. Will you be able to get back to my case? --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:59, September 29, 2020 (UTC)
* All the same, it would be nice if there was some way (I don't believe there is) for IP-created pages to be approved by an admin before going live. There wouldn't be so many as to impractical (I'm just talking full-out page creation, not individual edits). I just happened to spot that one by chance. While I agree with your view of IPs on general terms, having had to deal with a nasty situation at a Wiki dedicated to a children's show where an IP uploaded illegal porn to the site, plus the hundreds (possibly thousands) of vandalism clean-ups I had to do at Wikipedia (99% of which were done by IPs), you'll forgive me if I default to suspicion whenever I see an IP edit. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 15:09, February 15, 2010 (UTC)
::Thank you very much! (Speaking of replies — you didn't actually reply to my response to your concerns in <nowiki>==Neutral==</nowiki>; by all means do if there are areas I didn't address/more assurances you feel I should give.) --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:48, September 30, 2020 (UTC)
:::Point of information, I'm not sure we've finished the move to UCP. There are a variety of changes that come with UCP, the change to the forums is only one of them. I'm not sure that this is relevant, as the others aren't necessarily going to change much on an admin front to ''my'' knowledge, but it is something to bear in mind. (For instance, we still have "Recent Wiki Activity" on my end, which I'm certainly not complaining about, but shouldn't be the case? So I dunno what's going on, but it doesn't seem to be a full transition to UCP. Again, not sure if this is relevant to pausing the admin nom going forward, as the biggest issue there seemed to be the forums from my limited perspective, but it should be pointed out.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:10, September 30, 2020 (UTC)
::Oh, absolutely! Had you had more to ask I would definitely have posted the answers ''on'' the nomination page.


==Create Page popup==
::As regards Najawin's message above, I mean, we had the banner ''announcing'' we had moved. It may be we ''are'' keeping WikiActivity after all as a special favour to one of the Original 100 Wikis? Who knows. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:20, September 30, 2020 (UTC)
Hi there! You were very passionate about not liking the new Create Page popup on the Central blog last week. I put in a ticket to allow for people to turn it off individually, but I'm not sure exactly when that'll get done -- so for now, I turned off the new popup for this wiki. I like you and this wiki, and I hated the idea that you were unhappy. :) We're trying to build features for new users, but it's important also not to punish the contributors who have made 36,000+ edits and counting...


So I hope that makes the situation better. I can turn the feature back on, once we've got a preference that allows you to turn it off individually. Let me know if there's anything else you need! -- [[User:Toughpigs|<font color="Blue">Danny</font>]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|<font color="Blue" size="1">talk</font>]]) 13:49, February 15, 2010 (UTC)
== Admin categories ==


== MediaWiki:Monaco-Sidebar ==
Since you moved yourself into a new category on [[Tardis:Administrators]], I'm wondering if some of the admins listed in the "Frequently active admins" category should also be moved (or whether it's incumbent on them to move themselves). I know when I was newer a few months ago the category not quite lining up confused me. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:18, October 2, 2020 (UTC)


Hi, do you and the rest of the users get a chance to edit the mediawiki:monacosidebar or is it just you? [[User:Trikster87|Trikster87]] 1st March 2010, 4:46pm, (UTC)
== Community Connect ==


==New home page==
Hey there! Not sure we've spoken much, but I'm Chris - a Wiki Representative at Fandom. Have you heard of an event called Community Connect? It's a Fandom event where news is often revealed about the platform and you get to chat to other admins. It's virtual this year over Zoom or similar but no mic or camera needed. It's 7th + 8th August at 8-12 PT. Is this something you would be interested in attending? I can't guarantee an invite, but I can look into getting one sent to the email associated with your Fandom account --[[User:Spongebob456|Spongebob456]] <sup>[[User talk:Spongebob456|talk]]</sup> <staff/>
I've finalized the coding on my version of the new home page.  It's at [[User:CzechOut/Doctor Who Wiki]].  Notes about it can be found at [[Forum:New Home Page?]]. Take a look when you get the chance.  I think that you'll like that I found a way to incorporate differently-sized images for magazines and books, and that changine out the elements on the page is easier, yet somewhat more protected against vandalism than the current design.   '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 09:11, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
:You weren't at all too critical. Your concerns helped shape a better-looking design than what I would probably have gone with on my own.  The question is, when do we implement it?   '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 14:18, March 8, 2010 (UTC)


::On the matter of protection, this new page is interesting, actually.  I know the general wikia recommendation is that a main page shouldn't be locked, but you actually lock this one with no appreciable loss of user interaction.  Remember, none of the content is actually on the main page.  So you could secure the front page, and still have the content of the main page editable by users.  That would lock the backbone of the page in place. For the rollout, which I guess I'm doing now-ish, I'm actually going to go in reverse order and put the page up first, then create the DYK nom page.  This is only because I have to do a bit of editing on the template names, and because I need to put instructions into each of the constituent parts.  The DYK nomination process is kinda secondary to making the code "look pretty".    Once it's actually on the main page, the template names get simpler.  They go from  <nowiki>{{Doctor Who Wiki/Quote}} to just {{/Quote}}</nowiki>, and so on.  Don't worry about  [[:template:Bgcolor]]; it was an accident of the wrong number of curly braces. I just fixed it, but for a bit, all those templates that use [[:template:PortalFlex]] will continue to report needing [[:template:Bgcolor]].  Oh, and as for the SJA logo — yeah, dunno where it's all used.  Possibly is just wallpaper.  I know I have seen it in green as well as purple, though, so that means it's been used on at least two images.  Green's often a color used by BBC Audiobooks.  Maybe it's on one of those.    '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 15:09, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
== Fandom projects ==
:::Hey, you also need to protect [[Doctor Who Wiki/News]], [[Doctor Who Wiki/Top]], [[Doctor Who Wiki/Comics]], [[Doctor Who Wiki/Audio]], [[Doctor Who Wiki/Prose]], [[Doctor Who Wiki/Categories]], [[Doctor Who Wiki/Quote]], [[Doctor Who Wiki/DYK]].  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 16:44, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
::::::Argh, I don't know why I didn't see that before, with the category thing.  And I see the stuff getting pushed down right at the bottom.  Not quite sure why it's doing that.  I'll give it a look.  In the meantime, I've taken the category off, because really, front pages aren't typically categorized on most wikia.  I do know the front page has a "Featured article" line that's at the very bottom, underneath the featured wikia ads.  It's not likely to be causing this problem, but on the other hand, it's not visible on most main pages I've seen.  It's redundant, anyway, and should be removed.  But, as I said, I don't think that's what's causing this behavior.  This sucks.  I hate lookin' for interaction problems with wikia advertising spaces (cause that's what's going on, most likely, conflicts with the featured wikia boxes), It's like shootin' in the dark.  As for the white/grey thing, you know, I've become so accustomed to it, I've stopped noticing it.  It's always been there from the first time I started working on the project.  I remember that it was the reason for choosing a transparent logo, because putting the logo in a box just made the line more obvious.  Isn't it a default part of the style sheet.  It looks like it is to me.  Certainly I haven't called it into existence.  I really have never examined it before, because, as I said, it's been there from day one.  Heh I dunno, maybe I am calling it into existence.  It's not on other pages.  Weird. I'll look into it.  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 17:20, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
::::Okay, I don't see the "logo on the left shifting to the center" phenomenon at all.  It's in the center,  period.  I've never seen what you're describing there at all, by the way, and I've loaded this page tons of times.  Still, it's a clue on the road to discovering this mystery, so I'll follow it up.  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 17:25, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
Just to leave you with an update, I've figured out the source of the problem, but not necessarily the solution.  It has to do with using the column formatting.  Once I put all the templates into a column construct (you know,
<pre>
{|
||
|}
</pre>
then the white box happily wrapped around the whole text.  And that's how it is right now.  But the pushing down of the wikia ads at the bottom is a bigger problem.  It's related, in that if you get rid of the column structures entirely, the bottom ads appear in the normal place.  But then you lose other things, like proper columns.  It's than damned <mainpage> variable.  I don't know what it stands for.  I don't know how it achieves column widths and the like.  You need to use it, because it gets the top-page advertising in line with your columns.  But because I dunno the code behind <mainpage>, I'm not sure why there's the bizarre interaction at the bottom of the page. 


So I'm gonna keep pluggin' away at this one little thing, but for the moment that's the only thing that's wrong with the main page.  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 21:43, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
Hi! Got a couple of things:  
::I continue to be baffled as to why the column formatting is moving those ads down on the main page.  Similar syntax on other main pages doesn't have this effect.  I'm still trying various permutations to see if I can hit on the solution.  In the meantime, if you remove that "Featured pages" line on the front page, then the "squashing" will be less noticeable.  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 19:48, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
::::Okay, I'm officially stumped.  I've looked at so many other main pages from so many other wikis that my entire life is one big <mainpage> right now.  I've put in a call to [[User:sulfur|sulfur]] to see if maybe his greater wisdom — and, perhaps more importantly at this point, fresher eyes — can see something I'm missing.  Somehow, this nut's gonna get cracked, but I'm gonna need some bigger brains.  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 02:09, March 10, 2010 (UTC)


:::I think the best place for you to go and ask the question is [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Index Central Wiki - Forums]. They should be able to help with the problems that relate to the main page (and all other wikia related issues). --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 14:53, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
As this wiki used to use Special:Forum, Fandom wants to make sure that old forum links and references aren't cluttering up maintenance special pages (unusedfiles, needed pages etc). Would you mind checking and letting me know asap as to whether that's an issue for this wiki? Just looking for dead links to forums in special pages, or links to images used in forums but are now dead, stuff like that. No need to attempt to cleanup yourself, I just need to know if they exist.  
::I might well do that.  But Sulfur has opined it's to do with a CSS change.  This makes sense to me, because the only real difference between our page and the one at MemAlpha is the fact that MemAlpha calls up a CSS class that we don't have available here.  He's said he's gonna take a look.  Ultimately, it's not gonna be a big deal, but if it involves adding a CSS class, it will of course involve you.  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 15:20, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
::::Okay, [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Why_is_my_main_page_pushing_wikia_ads_out_of_vertical_alignment%3F I've asked the question at Central]. (Note to self: question marks in forum page titles make them unlinkable by w:c command.)  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 15:46, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
::Heh, I share your dread of CSS. However, on the scale of things CSS, this would be pretty simple, if indeed it comes to it.  All you'd be doing is cutting and pasting a tiny lil definition, from my understanding of things.  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 15:51, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
:::Good news!  The guys at Central figured it out.  And luckily, it doesn't involve CSS at all.  I had forgotten to close a <nowiki><div></nowiki> tag on [[:Template:MPH]].  They did that and all snapped into place.  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 00:12, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
:::::I added links to other language DW wikis as you suggested, and threw in links to other DW wikis, to boot. You'll need to semi-protect [[:Template:Doctor Who Wiki/Wikis]] and [[Doctor Who Wiki/Wikis]], though. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 20:22, March 15, 2010 (UTC)


== DYK ==
Secondly, did you receive an email sent last week I believe inviting you to The Downstream on September 10th? The email is titled "[The Downstream] Ask Fandom Anything, Social Media Tips, and Data Insights". I just want to confirm you received the email as we know Fandom outreach emails often land in spam.


Okay, my first attempt at defining the "Did you know" process is up at [[Tardis:DYK nominations]].  The process can't, I don't think, be as elaborate as what's at the Wikipedia equivalent.  They have tons of admins and dedicated editors who specialize in nothing but DYK.  Plus, DYK there is aimed at highlighting the newest articles.  And I don't think that's really what we want to do.  We just want to shine a light on some of our smaller articles to encourage visitation to the darker corners of the site.  I don't think, either, that we can really go into a formal voting process, because that would make the page explode in size.  Rather, we should encourage editors to merely vote ''against'' a factoid; otherwise, we should assume the factoid is appropriate for inclusion.  The process should be geared towards including every submitted point. Generally, the admin who changes the box should just take the top-most (i.e. oldest) submission from each of the five categories and call it a day. 
If you could let me know about both of those things, that would be fantastic. Thanks! --[[User:Spongebob456|Spongebob456]] <sup>[[User talk:Spongebob456|talk]]</sup> <staff/> 09:43, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


We might want to define when a week begins and ends (i.e., the day on which the factoids are changed.  I guess that would mean defining a week in terms of the QOTW calendar.  But I didn't include that amount of specificity in the article yet, thinking you might want to weigh in on that.  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 04:01, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
== Temporary forums ==
:The splitting of this into a DYK Nom and a DYK Policy article has occurred.  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 23:06, March 13, 2010 (UTC)


== Collapsible navigation boxes ==
Hey! Hope all is well in your neck of the woods. Since you've been away, a new discussion's been going on, with our continuing need for forums to get things done again. As we've been in a transition period for a while, and [[user:CzechOut]]'s still busy preparing the next stage of evolution, some users have proposed we make space for these necessary conversations.


Hey, as you're sorta actively making these navigation boxes collapsible, I thought I'd share with you a little trick I picked up today.  If the color stripe at the top of the box is very dark, as with [[:Template:TDA]], the show/hide thingie won't really show up if it's black.  Thus, you need to add a '''color:white;''' to the first style parameter in the box.  This will turn the show/hide thing white.  (It probably also obviates the need to specifically set the color of the title of the box to white, but it does no harm to leave that coding in place.)  This then sets the color of all type in the box to white.  You then have to add a '''color:black;''' to all the individual cells within the box to get all the unlinked text to show up. I wouldn't universally set the hide/show to white, but if the background is a deep red, blue, green, or black, you probably need to.  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 08:49, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
Would be good to get another eye on this. Do you think you could have a look? It's over at [[Tardis talk:Temporary forums]]. {{User:SOTO/sig}} 07:01, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


== The End of Time vandalism ==
== Discussions AbuseFilter ==


Check out the summary of The End of Time. SERIOUS VANDALISM!!! And it's not just that page, many other pages are being hideously vandalised. Wondering if you knew a way to stop this. I'm A Hydroponic Tomato! [[User:Bigredrabbit|Bigredrabbit]] ('''[[User talk:Bigredrabbit|talk to me]]''') 02:19, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
Hey! A new feature is available on Discussions - Discussions AbuseFilter (DAF). This is designed to be a tool to help moderation on Discussions, if certain behaviours are being disruptive and making manual moderation difficult:
==Category help==
What's the difference between [[:Category:Individuals by affiliation]] and [[:Category:Individuals by association]]?  I've been pondering for a bit now and can't work it out.  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 03:44, March 14, 2010 (UTC)


== New wiki logo ==
* [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Special:DiscussionsAbuseFilter DAF page (not enabled yet but I can do)]
* [https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DToast/Introducing_Discussions_AbuseFilter Announcement blog]
* [https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Discussions_AbuseFilter Help page]


As a part of the redesign of the front page, I can't help but notice how out of place the logo in the top left corner now looks.  It wreaks of the 1990s, to my eye.  So I wonder if it's not now time to change things up a bit. Here's an idea that would seem to mesh with the elements on the main page itself.  It also has the virtue of containing elements from three different eras of DW — the original Hartnell logo, the Region 2 DVD font, and the current Tardis logo — and may therefore be somewhat more "timeless" than the current logo. It's not necessarily a final design, of course, but it's a start on updating a tired, 5-year-old design, at least.
Not compulsory for anyone to use it etc, just letting you know it's here. As a note about forums, I have asked Czech about it and I know he is aware it's still needed. If I can help with anything though, please give me a shout on here or Discord! --[[User:Spongebob456|Spongebob456]] <sup>[[User talk:Spongebob456|talk]]</sup> <staff/> 20:36, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


[[Image:NewWikiLogo.png]]
== Joledex? ==


Let me know what you think. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 08:22, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
Im not really sure because it has been a while back. Maybe because I wasn't sure about the spelling of the name 08:46, 2 November 2022 (UTC)


== Re:Spoilers ==
== Admin nomination ==
Hi Tangerineduel, just wanted to ping you to let you know that the admin nomination for [[User:Bongolium500]] at [[Tardis:User rights nominations]] has passed the one week threshold and is ready for conclusion. Hope you've been well! – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 14:15, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
: Hey — cheers on closing Bongolium's nomination, but just letting you know that his actual user rights don't appear to have been changed yet? <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 13:32, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
::Ah, makes sense! Thanks. (This is just why we need Bongolium; I'm no good at the coding stuff…) <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 13:43, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


Thanks, I also thought it was pretty inconvenient after I did it and am happy it's over. Also, like how you like Hitchhikers too, good taste. I'm A Hydroponic Tomato! [[User:Bigredrabbit|Bigredrabbit]] ('''[[User talk:Bigredrabbit|talk to me]]''') 11:17, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
== Re:Admin - Welcome! ==


== Discontinuity in Doctor Who ==
Thanks for the welcome! Don't worry about the wait: everyone has their busy moments. I look forward to getting started with some of my new responsibilities! [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:20, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


I have created a page for [[Discontinuity in Doctor Who]], but is it worth keeping or not? I have place the ''Major'' errors for two episodes only, to see how they look and was wondering whether the page is worth keeping - if the decision is to delete the Discontinuity section and move to this or just delete the page complete. [[user:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]] 14:54, 20 March 2010, (UTC)
== Temporary Forums Are Live! ==
==Cultural references not specifically named by text==
Hello!
Hey, just read your note at [[Talk:The Simpsons]], and I wanted to comment on something you said that's only tangential to ''The Simpsons'' discussion.


The thing about subjects like [[The Lion Sleeps Tonight]], poetry spouted in ''[[The Shakespeare Code]]'' and ''[[The Lazarus Experiment]]'', songs playing on radios in various ''Torchwood'' episodes, [[Tony Bennett]], and really dozens of other articles broadly under [[:Category:Cultural references from the real world|Cultural references from the real world]] is precisely that they are ''just'' '''references'''.  They don't rise to the level of specific citation.  I don't think we can start to collapse all these into an article about a topic that ''is'' specifically named by the episode.  In the first place, we don't always have a neat little thing like [[The Lion King]] to help us.  More's the point, [[The Lion Sleeps Tonight]] is something associated in the real world with ''The Lion King'', but not within the DWU. To move it under [[The Lion King]] would actually be to introduce a non-canonical "fact" about the song.  But in the second, '''we don't have to have something named for us to write an article about it'''.  Some things are so recognizable they don't need to be named.  However, articles should note the fact that the person, place or thing isn't actually named, and give a rationale for why that topic has been identified by that particular name.  [[Paperback Writer]] is a great example of this type of article.  It wasn't named in ''[[Evil of the Daleks]]'', nor does it exist in any version of the story that still exists today.  But it was definitely there on original transmission, and its subsequent disappearance is interesting and noteworthy.  (Heh, I'm prolly going to put it in the DYK for this week, as a matter of fact.)  If we limit ourselves to only things that are specifically named, we deny our ability to fully cover the Whoniverse. Nobody sings "[[The Good Life]]" like [[Tony Bennett]], for instance.  It is just not credible to deny that both exist in the Whoniverse, even though neither were specifically named in [[TW]]: ''[[Out of Time]]''.
Just wanted to notify you that, [[User:CzechOut]]'s final deadline of "by New Year's Day" having passed, and following in-depth discussion between myself and fellow admins [[User:SOTO]], [[User:OncomingStorm12th]] and [[User:Bongolium500]], we have decided to '''activate [[Tardis:Temporary forums]]''', come what may. A [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice|sitenotice]] has been set to inform the community of this development, and I am taking it upon myself to personally update [[Tardis:Administrators|our Administrators]] on the situation, as well as yourself.  


Additionally there is the thornier problem of the reverse.  Things are sometimes named in the Whoniverse, but their real world significance isn't specifically given.  For instance [[Tom Hanks]] is named but the fact of his being an actor isn't.  Yet, the clear implication of ''[[Silver Scream]]'' is that he must be an actor, else the Doctor wouldn't be using that alias at an actor's party.
As the name implies, we hope the Temporary Forums will remain — well — temporary. Any work on reactivating proper DPL Forums will still be welcome and appreciated; this system is a further fine-tuning of the setup Bongolium500 had proposed in December 2021, which it means is designed from the ground up to be '''easy to transfer into the actual DPL Forums''' if we should get those back in the near future after all.  


Cultural references are tricky things, but I think with careful notation on each article, saying what has actually been stated in stories and what hasn't, readers will come to a clear understanding of the topic's place in the Whoniverse. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 17:46, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
But it has been ''multiple years'' since the Wiki has had a venue for changing policy and forming community consensus on important matters. Bongolium500 and SOTO put forward the first draft of the Temporary Forums a full ''year'' ago — and were convinced to retract it by a promise that the real Forums would come ‘very soon’; and here we are. I don't think anyone's at fault; I do think everyone has the Wiki's best interests at heart. But the time has come to realise that the overly-optimistic strategy of endlessly putting off an imperfect temporary solution in pursuit of a perfect one "soon" has failed, resoundingly. It is time for a different approach. The Tardis community are ''owed'' a different approach. If you ''have'' active DPL Forums to give us, we will take them gladly. But we cannot sacrifice one more promising alternative to a nebulous future possibility which has already proven more difficult to achieve that you'd expected several times over. It is our hope that you can understand respect our decision in this matter.


== Abusive User ==
We [[four surviving elementals|four elementals]] behind the Temporary Forums would like to reassure the rest of the admin team that this necessary step '''is not intended to create more work for them unbidden'''. Four are, if it comes to that, plenty enough to keep the peace a Forum with no more than six threads running at a time; we would be thrilled to see the rest of the team embracing the Temporary Forums, but please don't feel any ''obligation'' to do so.


A user called Liamhenney repeatedly keeps on adding unconfirmed information and creating new pages that have not been confirmed and useless amounts of information. I have asked him to add the references to the information that way we can keep the information he has posted but he still doesn't and keeps adding the information therefore I am puting the problem to you... Any advice??? Thanks [[User:Michael Downey|Michael Downey]] 20:00, March 21, 2010 (UTC).
Happy New Year, happy editing — and happy contribution to the New Forums!
== Relative column lengths on front page ==
This week is the first time where QOTW and DYK have both run "long" , causing an obvious imbalance between the lengths of the right and left columns.  Thus, I thought I'd let you know of a little trick to help even things out.  By editing the "max" variable on the News section, you can "even up" the two columns.  Obviously we can't cater to every single user — some are gonna have their text size turned up or down to extreme levels — but we can make it right for the majority of users by turning our browser's text to the standard size and adjusting the number of news items to a length that makes the columns "match".  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 21:47, March 25, 2010 (UTC)


== User Changing Stuff ==
<span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 11:03, 2 January 2023 (UTC)


[[User:General MGD 109]] seems to think they can go against you and change back the Production Error to how they used to be, I have tried to stop them but they still continue to edit the page, I have left a reasonable remark on the Forum page, and if he continues to do so, action must be taken? [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]], 15:58, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
== Bot ==


Hi, I was wondering if you knew what the process was for an admin to obtain a bot? [[T:HOW BOT]] seems geared towards non-admins. I have experience with programming and would like to use a bot to automate certain tasks. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:51, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
: I'm familiar with the technical process of bot creation. However, all a bot really is is a second account with the bot user group which can only be granted by a bureaucrat so I was wondering what the procedure to obtain this is, if there is a procedure, or if I should just create the account and point it your way for you to add the admin and ot user groups. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:16, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
:: Thanks. I've created [[User:Botgo50]]. If you could assign it the "administrator" and "bot" user groups, that would be great. This is less important to me, but, while you're at it, would you be able to assign my main account "administrator (Semantic MediaWiki)"? I think I'm the only person using [[T:SMW|SMW]] at the moment and this group would be useful. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC)


== Heads up about the thanks extension ==


Seeing as adding to your form page seems to be getting me no were I decided to come here, Look as I've already said there are many errors and some of the boxes do need a bit of a clean up, but don't you think it's a little extream to delete a whole section and replace it with one that eather has answered questions that you having taken the answer from or proplems that its eather impossible to answer or near?
Hi. I just wanted to give you a heads up that Tardis is testing the "thanks" extension which Fandom will be rolling out to all wikis soon. This extension allows editors to thank other editors for their edits. The editor being thanked will then recieve a notification. Therefore, while you're actively performing edits, you may receieve a few more notifications than normal. If you notice any bugs, pass them onto [[User:Spongebob456]]. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:59, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
:Why not this? The Production Errors '''stay as they are''' - and a '''new section''' created in the Forum to discussion Discontinuity, Plot Holes etc Mini-mitch 16:12, March 26, 2010 (UTC)


== Re: Tardis Data Core change to Tardis Wiki ==
Did we actually decide to officially change the name? If so, I can run through the Tardis namespace with my bot and get things updated. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:44, 9 July 2023 (UTC)


Very well, as I said I'm a reasonable person, lets see how that goes.
: For what it's worth it's not ''my'' understanding that "Tardis Data Core" is obsolete. We were, and remain, "the Tardis Data Core Wiki" in full; our old logo abridged this to ''Tardis Data Core'', the new one abridges it to ''Tardis Wiki''. That's my read. But if mileages on this vary too heavily (it seems concerning that out of us three no one is actually ''sure''), we may need a thread to try and gauge what the community actually wants before we do anything drastic either way. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 15:59, 9 July 2023 (UTC)


== Timeline Template ==
:: I actually thought our full name was "Tardis Data Core, the Doctor Who Wiki". [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. As you'll see in the [[Template:Documentation/doc|documentation]], it's been set up to handle all 3 levels of the Timeline section, depending on which fields are left blank. Now the template's in place, you and your minions can just update the timeline pages as the mood takes you


Speaking of documentation, as it seemed to be missing, I also added [[Template:Documentation]] to make the process of creating documentation for templates easier in the future.
::: I agree that a forum thread is a good idea. Does anyone particuarly want to start it? If not, I'm happy to do so within a few days. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


;<span style="color:purple">→ Koschei:</span> : ''<span style="color:purple">[[User talk:Koschei | Life. But not as we know it.]]</span>'' 16:27, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
:: Ah, excellent! [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 10:45, 14 July 2023 (UTC)


== Congratualtions ==
::: Great! [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:48, 14 July 2023 (UTC)


Wahoo we made 17,000 articles, lets enjoy the happiness and get to 20,000 :)
== Can you give admin to my bot? ==


== Twelfth and Thirteenth Doctor ==
Hi, I've been running [[User:Botgo50]] relatively succesfully for a while now but it'd be really helpful if it could be given admin, mostly so that it can edit protected pages. Would you be able to do that next time you're arround? Thanks. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:02, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello Tangerineduel I see you have prevented the creation of The Twelfth and Thirteenth Doctor articles but just listen I need to make them see I will make them very vague and everything but they will be there when there are actually twelfth and thirteenth doctors. So it's vague and just says like he's the 12th incarnation but you can add on when he goes into existance so it's thinking ahead. Thanks for listening :)


== [[Special:CreatePage]] ==
== Re: Bot admin request ==


Hey, I may have done something, somehow, to mess up the preloadable topic outlines.  I don't see how, really, but I can't deny that they're not working now — in both Firefox and Safari.  I moved all the templates to a new category ([[:Category:Newpage templates|Newpage templates]]), added a DEFAULTSORT to each page, and a bit of starting lead text.  It doesn't make a lot of sense why that would've made the buttons stop functioning. Indeed I tested one of the buttons linked to a page I had not then changed, just to see if my changes were the proximate cause.  I am not sure whether the buttons worked before I started making changes to any of the templates.  I've tried using the &preload appendage independent of the buttons, by adding it manually to the end of addresses that already had &action=edit, and that didn't work either.  I tried preloading other templates, but no dice.  Does the function simply not work?  Or have I somehow busted something? '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 04:55, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much! [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:54, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


== Notes ==
== Admin+ ==


Sorry, did not realize.... bit late, done it to all 10th and 9th Doctor Books and Audio... :| Mini-mitch 16:10, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
Hey there! I’m reaching out to introduce the Admin+ program (if you haven’t heard about it already!) & let you know I’m here if you have any questions about it. Take a look at the details [https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Admin_Plus here] & feel free to send over any questions you have. <span style="font-family: Rubik; border-radius:8em; padding:0 5px; background:#d58494">[[User:Pikushi|<span style="color:#f1f5ff">pikushi ✧.*</span>]] </span> <staff /> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
==Timeline naviation changes==
[[User:Koschei|Koschei]] got the ball rolling on navigation improvements with his new template, but this will be extremely laborious to implement. Hundreds of pages requiring minute changes also spells the possibility of manual error creeping in.  So I'm updating his template into an entirely automated one.  As you can see by examining the code at [[:Template:Timeline test]], and its dependent subtemps, all that needs to happen is to add <nowiki>{{timeline}}</nowiki> to a page.  The temp will take care of the rest, automatically sensing whether it's on a year, century or decade page, and responding with appropriate output.  The bells and whistles of template design aren't yet completed, but that's easily fixed after the hard coding is done.  Appropriate categories will also be automatically placed on the page as well. 


Best of all, '''you don't have to do a thing'''.  The template will be placed on every page by a bot. (Ultimately the old HTML table navigation will be removed by a bot too, but that's about a week away yet.)  So instead of spending so much time on mind-numbing work, feel free to get back to the greater fun of whatever more enjoyable work you were doing here.  Implementation of the core skeleton will happen over the next few days, with the project complete by sometime before the end of April. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 03:08, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
== Request for help ==
::Yah, the template handles the difference in cardinal numbers ending in 1, 2, 3 — and all the rest of 'em through yet a fifth template called [[:Template:nth]].  This does a little "'''mod''' magic" to check for centuries that end in exactly 11, 12, and 13, and appends "th".  If it doesn't find that, it looks again for exactly 1, 2 and 3 in the final digit.  Then it appends '''st''', '''nd''', and '''rd'''.  If it finds '''neither''' of those two sets of exact matches, then it just adds the default value of '''th'''.  And that invariably works in English.  Thank God for the regularity of English's irregularities.  It'd have to be a lil more complex if every every 100 numbers the number ending in 7 had a different suffix, like 107rd or 307nd.  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 16:18, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
====Your help required ====
I'm gonna start this little subsection for things having to do with timeline template implementation for which your help is required.  General stuff about the timeline, I'll post in the main section, above.  Up first are two things:
*Template protection:  Timeline, Nth, YearNav, CenturyNav, DecadeNav
*Reversion of extremely large years to proper date format.  Date format has no commas.  Thus, all the years in [[:Category:Far future]] must be put in standard date format for the template to work.  [[5,000,000,000]] must be reverted to [[5000000000]], for instance (and I can't do it because obviously they're both blue-linked).  Obviously this move won't prevent anyone from using 5,000,000,000 in an article for easier readability.  Nor does it prevent using '''5,000,000,000''' as the bolded topic of the lead of the article.  But proper date format should be observed in the PAGENAMEs.  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 10:53, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, and if template protection doesn't automatically extend to all sub pages, then: Timeline/doc, Nth/doc, YearNav/doc, CenturyNav/doc, DecadeNav/doc. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 10:56, April 1, 2010 (UTC)


== The Wire featured article ==
Hi! I was wondering if I could get you to look into [[User talk:Shambala108#Something you might want to look into|this issue]]. For various reasons (which I would be glad to tell you if you wish), I don't feel I am the right person to address this, and I definitely don't think any of the newer admins could help. I feel like this situation is starting to remind me of [[Forum:What about Bob?|something from long ago]]. Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


Should've checked the history, I guess, before making a change to /Article of the month.  Didn't realize you'd intentionally altered the lead until after I switched it back to the straight copy of the lead.  Didn't mean to create a mini edit-war kinda thing.  It just struck me when I read your prose that the name of the article, "The Wire", wasn't included at all.  That struck me as incredibly odd, and at first I thought the AOTM was about the first highlighted word, which was the name of her planet.  But when I clicked the "read more" I found it was about The Wire herself, so I thought others might've made the same mistake.  Since the lead of the article is actually quite well-written, I didn't see any cause not to use it.  So I copied it over.  Didnt realize you might be trying to do something different with the AOTM text, so I'll leave it as is for now, and if you want to rewrite for "punchiness/intrigue", I'll only request that the words "The Wire" should be the subject of the first sentence.  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 15:30, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
== re:Recent edits ==
==Suggestion:DPL==
I '''strongly''' urge you to consider implementing DPL (DynamicPageListing) on the wiki.  We'll have far more ability to automatically generate reports that'll make our templates much more powerful.  It'd make this whole timeline thing a dawdle.  For instance, I could do an easy, easy dump of all pages in a particular decade category into the template on the page related to that decade.  So, on the [[1990s]] page, the template would say the previous decade was [[1980s]], the next was [[2000s]] and the years in that decade were [[1990]], [[1991]] . . . [[1999]] — all without having to type a thing.  There are a ton of other features, too.  Sortable tables, for instance, would allow us to create things like [[wikipedia:List of Doctor Who writers]], which we can't currently do here. 


There is of course a downside: installation requires you to go under the hood to that area you, me, and the dog on the street don't like so much: CSS. 
I think I get what you're saying, but I wanted to ask for some clarification. I was always told it is best to leave a reason behind reversions in the edit summaries, but I think your saying to only do so for a limited number of times before taking things to a talk page? [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


Here's a link to the download page:  http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=DPL:Installation and here's [http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=Main_Page what it can do for us]. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 01:47, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
== Since you're on ==
:Sorry, I re-read that and realized I didn't say quite what I meant to.  Of course we ''can'' do the List of Doctor Who writers sortable table here.  But we'd have to use that same chunky table and institute a few templates that they have on wikipedia but we don't have here.  DPL reduces the coding burden to just a few lines.  For instance, if we were to remake a table of writers, it go something like this:
<pre>
{{#dpl:
|category=List of Doctor Who writers
|include=Writers.listByRunTime
|table=class=sortable wikitable,-,Writer,First Story,Latest Story,RunTime,ElapsedTimeSinceFirstStory
}}
<javascript src="sortTable1byColumn1.js" />
</pre>


Then we'd build a tiny lil one-line formatting thing called Template:Writers.listByRunTime which would grab the writers from the category, look for the writer's name in a certain variable on a specific infobox, multiply those instances by the episode variable in the box, multiple that number the format variable for a runtime, add all the runtimes together, and ... you get the point.  The level of control with DPL is frankly staggering.  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 02:11, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
Can you block 119.111.220.93‎? It's some random user that will do a ton of vandalism, get blocked, and then come back under a new IP a few weeks later. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:13, 24 December 2023 (UTC)


== [[User:General MGD 109]] ==
== RE: Wild Blue Yonder Numbers ==


[[User:General MGD 109|General MGD 109]] is now flagrantly violating multiple warnings about unilateral removal of a prop delete. Despite a [[User talk:General MGD 109#Your New Page|full and polite rationale on his talk page]], explanations on the [[Talk:Discontinuty, plot holes and other errors|talk page of the article concerned]], knowledge of and participation in the [[Forum:Discontinuity revisited|relevant forum page]], and multiple messages in the history page of the [[Discontinuty, plot holes and other errors|page in question]], he continues to unilaterally, and without comment, remove the delete tag — even though it's now been placed there by two different editors who have never been in contact with each other on this matter.  He's well and truly out of line. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 02:30, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
Hi there! Hope you are well. Per your response on my talk page, I wanted to check this. So does that mean it is best I leave those pages alone then and leave you and the order admins to sort out the whole merging thing? Looking forward to your reply. [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue"> </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 11:22, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
==DPL and various stuff==
Well, I can't say I'm not disappointed on the DPL decision, but I do understand it.  It's dauntingly complicated on the surface, especially from your perspective as the one who'd have to install it. 


I'm not sure how to take your other comments, though.  The sentiment that comes to mind is, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." On the other hand, if you don't ''at least'' lead them to water then they don't even have the ''option'' of drinking.
== Re. Financial crisis of 2007 ==
While I'm not an expert on the topic, it seems to me that the credit crunch was one of the events that followed the financial crisis of 2007; the 2008 credit crunch wasn't the "main" incident. Although "credit crunch of 2008" is stated in dialogue while "financial crisis of 2007" isn't (to the best of my knowledge) it seems misleading to name the page "credit crunch of 2008".


It's discomfiting that you use the word "bamboozle" in application to the advances I'm trying to make here.  I don't see it as sleight of hand; I think of it as a massive time-saver that will free up people to actually '''write articles''', as opposed to making a thousand tiny edits that don't really increase the wealth of our information. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 04:32, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
It'd be like if [[D-Day]] was named in the DWU but [[World War II]] wasn't; it'd be incorrect to name the larger conflict "D-Day", even though in this hypothetical situation that name isn't conjectural while the name of the larger conflict would be.


== Planets ==
But then, there easily could be a story that uses the name "financial crisis of 2007" somewhere, which maychave not been documented on the Wiki yet. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 13:53, 3 February 2024 (UTC)


Ah :S must of missed that, sorry. Won't happen in the future :) cheers for telling me though. Mini-mitch 14:50, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
== RE: Prop delete query ==


==[[Forum:Doctor Who television discontinuity and plot holes]]==
Hey! Sorry I missed your message; I still haven't adapted to talk page notifications being moved to the bell. It's been great seeing you around more recently, by the way.
I wanted to get this page up and ready by the time ''[[The Eleventh Hour]]'' was broadcast. It's not pretty (probably it should eventually go to a tabular format one of these days_, but every story (and episode, if you wanna be picky about the [[BBC Wales]] era) now has an appropriate redlink just waiting for information to be dumped onto it from the mainspace article page.  Though uglier, I decided to make the backslash visible in the links so as to visually confirm for people that they'd be creating an article at the right place.


I also took down your inuse tag — which is terribly bad form, of course.  Again though, I wanted it to look fully "up and ready" before the inevitable onslaught began.  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 00:46, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
At time of writing, the only of my user subpages not related to the Forum Archive is the ''Five Doctors'' home media sandbox page, from a project it was ultimately decided in the forums not to proceed with anymore. (Shambala actually added that tag, not me, but I've been holding onto it in case there happens to be a revival in the [[F:CLOISTERS|New Forums]].)
==Forumheader==
Heh, I was just gonna leave you a note about that.  I guess we did the same thing at the same time. Great minds think alike! Oh, btw, wtf are you doing up?  Shouldn't you be getting sleep before the big premiere?  '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 02:24, April 3, 2010 (UTC)


== [[Castrovalva (TV story)#Production errors]] ==
The Forum Archive has been on pause for a while due to a number of personal circumstances, and now it's a little stuck until I have access to a personal computer again, unfortunately. Those message-level pages (each message needs its own subpage due to the method of archiving, which meant organising large masses of files by adapting a spreadsheet made from an unrelated output) tagged were found to be spam posts, so the next step will be properly removing them from the final archive subpages before launch.


When you get a chance could you please check the above link and see if I've been fair about what's a production error and what's not?  The rest of what used to be there is already up on the Forum page.  ''Castrovalva'' is a tricky one because if you view it in isolation of ''Logopolis'' there aren't that many production errors, but if you view it as the continuous event it's aspiring to be, there are a number of instances where costumes or props or the director just got it wrong. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]'''  [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 05:11, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
I should be able to complete those pre-launch steps from a library computer, come to think of it, so I hope to have time for that soon. I do appreciate your reminder!{{User:SOTO/sig}} 05:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)


== I'm back! ==
== Deletions ==


Hi, it's me. I am represrenting a secret account! I have been gone for a while but I'm coming back! [[User:Trikster87]], 19:32, 3rd April 2010 (UTC)
Two pages I added and edited were deleted.
Kiviniss Ak
And Rom Kor-Marisi
Were two character editions direct from author
Simon Guerrier
As listed in the credits.
Did I add them incorrectly?
Thank you {{Unsigned|BrentSmith66}}


== Doctor Who - The Smilers ==
== Welcome ==


Why did you delete The Smilers. I was going to do it. I know all the infromation
Well it's certainly great to have you! I'm glad you made it. I ''do'' seem to remember rumblings way back when in my own early days.


== Thanks for welcoming me! ==
I can't imagine it ''would'' be fun sticking around with most of our support forked over here. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't sad to leave it behind, as exciting as all these new opportunities are to build the wiki the way we want it!


I have two diffrent accounts; [[User:Trikster87]]/[[User:WikiProductions.com]]. Did you like the [[The Eleventh Hour|Eleventh Hour]], I quite liked it! I can't wait till next week! [[User:WikiProductions.com|WikiProductions.com]], 15:07, 4th April 2010 (UTC)
I'm going to make a concerted effort soon to import missed changes from the 5 or so days we missed during final preparations, by the way. If there's anything in particular you want me to bring over from before you got here, so you don't feel you have to re-do edits, do let me know!


== RE:Production Errors ==
(Incidentally, I've [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Interwiki_map#Tardis_Wiki put in a request over at Wikimedia] for them to add us to their inter-wikis. Might take a while before that's approved, but I thought it might be of interest, since that seems to be closer to your neck of the woods than mine.)


Ahhhh...so no more rebuttals, eh. All in all I suppose that's a good thing, 'cos some of 'em sometimes had more plot holes that the errors themselves... [[User talk:Drophyd167b|<b><span style="color: Blue">The b-Unit's</span></b>]][[User:Drophyd167b|<b><span style="color: Orange">167th Drophyd</span></b>]] 12:54, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
EDIT: Importing means preserving the edit history, which is generally preferable, but there's also nothing wrong with bringing things back up to date yourself. Especially given they're ''our own edits''.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 05:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
: Ah, one other thing. As bureaucrats, on the independent wiki we now have access to [[Special:RenameUser]]. It really does what it says on the tin. Users might approach you with [[Help:Changing your username|user rename requests]] now.


==Welcoming users==
: So long as there's nothing against the name in [[Tardis:Username policy]], and the username doesn't already have any registered edits on Tardis, I see no reason not to fulfil them. I have been recommending that users place their old name somewhere visible on their user pages, though, for the avoidance of confusion.
Hi, I added the 'Welcome' and 'Welcome IP' template to a few new users, to free up the admins. Hope you don't mind. '''[http://doctor-who-collectors.wikia.com/wiki/User:Tardis1963 <span style="background:#0E234E; color:white">Tardis1963</span>]''' 22:45, April 5, 2010 (UTC)


== Move ==
: (I've only done one so far. It never once occurred to me before this would be something I'd be doing.){{User:SOTO/sig}} 05:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)


Why did you revert my move of Mrs. Angelo back to Angelo?. It was a suitable and appropriate move. -- [[User:Michael Downey|Michael Downey]] 17:04, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
=== Renaming users ===
:: That is a really good point regarding the potential for abuse. I had only really considered allowing requests from long-term trusted users.
 
:: We'll need something in place to prevent user rename requests from being fulfilled that would too closely resemble other well-known users, for one thing... which can be hard to scale when the once-active user they might be confused for is long-gone. (Maybe checking against [[Special:ListUsers]], ordered by edit count, up to a certain point, should be procedure, in case.)
 
:: We'll definitely need to lay out clearer policy. Watching out for signs of sockpuppet abuse is another, definitely. I think the first thing I'd lay out is a minimum threshold of time or number of edits with us in order to make the request. Maybe it should be on a public page, like a smaller-scale [[Tardis:User rights nominations]].
 
:: A user requesting a name change would have to fill out a template where they confirm they meet the requirements. Maybe we'd allow very small scale changes to the name '''exactly once''' even soon after account creation, in the case of typos and such, but then require that they stick with us first.
 
:: The one thing I'd like to avoid is blindly approving any request from a user we don't really know. I think we can make it work, though!
 
:: (P.S. I brought in [[Tardis:User talk pages]].){{User:SOTO/sig}} 06:42, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 
::: It's looking good so far! Do I have your permission to make small changes while it's still in your sandbox?
 
::: It might also be good to quickly say that Tardis bureaucrats reserve the right to adjust the minimum number of edits (agreed, amount of time would be a bad idea) as new request data comes in. Please continue editing with us if you haven't met the mark yet! (Making sure to keep to good-faith edits. We probably need to introduce a variant on the GOR rules for hitting edit requirements.)
 
::: Also, if we are formally suggesting that new-ish users make new accounts (instead of granting one minor rename request in the first week, which ''does'' count in using up their 12 months), we'll have to make clear that they need to declare their old account per [[T:SOCK]], unless they didn't make any edits with us.
 
::: Agreed on requirement to declare your old account for 6 months minimum. There should also be something, perhaps a separate page like [[Help:My rename request was rejected]], which makes clear that repeated attempts to log for already-rejected names (or still too similar to them, or during a period when you have no "token") will result in a warning and then a temporarybban. If you've already been rejected, and you're not sure, ask a bureaucrat clarifying questions before submitting a request.
 
::: [[User:Bongolium500|Bongo]] can probably make us a form with the required inputs, so it automatically creates a new section with syntax for user stats, once we get <code><nowiki>{{#editcount:USER}}</nowiki></code> up and running (and a link to a DPL page I can work on building for help finding similar usernames). But it might be worth manually checking.
 
::: Officially halting all user rename requests until we have this all set up and worked out.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 06:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 
:::: (I do also wonder if we should decide what to do in cases where new users have given themselves policy-breaking names like "Tardis admin" or some hate speech. Should we, by course, rename the user to "Permablock--638528", ie. some random string of 6 digits (wouldn't want anyone to see it as a leaderboard, in sequence), in order to remove that vandalism/bothersome claim, after blocking?)
 
:::: (It seems to me that would be a good idea.){{User:SOTO/sig}} 06:53, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 
Thanks! I've gone ahead and made a few relatively minor changes to [[Tardis:User rename policy]], and I've streamlined the request page to make things easier. I also added in the total number of requests a user has made in the section heading (needs to be manually changed from #1 for further requests).
 
I'm pretty happy with both pages, personally. I've also updated [[Help:Changing your username]] now.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 08:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 
=== Checkuser checks and balances ===
: On a separate but related note, we also have the ability to grant users (read: ourselves) the <code>checkuser</code> role, which is even more serious.
 
: Bongo suggested — and I agree — that for complete transparency, only when it's absolutely necessary to check for suspected socks, we will '''''temporarily''''' assign that role, perform the check, and then remove it again. Logs of any checkuser scan are also provided to the public, including an admin summary.
 
: I strongly suggest we hold off on this for as long as possible, as we get settled in and update our policies. We need to think deeply about oversight and transparency, now that [[T:LOCAL WINS|local policy really ''does'' prevail]].
 
: If you'd find it helpful, I can also invite you to a space where such things can be discussed with our sysadmins, who laid out our [[Tardis:Privacy policy|Privacy policy]] and [[Tardis:General disclaimer|General disclaimer]].{{User:SOTO/sig}} 06:31, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 
== RE: Thanks ==
 
You're very welcome. Lovely to have you! {{User:Aquanafrahudy/Sig}}
 
== Bumbling around the new place ==
 
Hello! A bit late, but I’m finding my way around the new digs. I was “surprised-but-not-surprised” when I learned the news of the migration; I certainly have seen enough headaches from arbitrary Fandom diktats to understand the reasons for the decision.
 
Although I was an infrequent editor and an even more infrequent admin on the old site, it would be nice to retain the admin bit. (Like the Doctor’s “parts” that Cassandra refers to in “New Earth”, it’s nice to have them even if they are “barely used.”)
 
Please let me know if there is anything I should be aware of about in the change beyond what’s in the general announcements. Thanks! —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] [[User talk:Josiah Rowe|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:35, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 
:Ooh, that was quick! Looks like SOTO took care of it without me even asking! Now, that’s service! Never mind me, then. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] [[User talk:Josiah Rowe|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:46, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 
== "Talking dog" ==
Hey, I really do appreciate your going through the proposed mergers lately, but [[Talk:Talking dog]] was an ongoing discussion; it wasn't settled that it should be merged. Do please check these things! As you know, it's very tricky to ''undo'' a merge that was done in error. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
 
== Unnecessary category redirects ==
 
Hi Tangerine, would you be able to delete [[:Category:4DA Series 9 audio story images]] and [[:Category:The Fourth Doctor Adventures Series 9 audio anthology images]], as they are both unused and unnecessary; only existing because of mistakes whilst moving categories. The source code seems to be locked for them both though, so I can't put a delete tag there myself.
 
Ta, {{User:Gingerfool/Sig}} 23:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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Wiki Manager[[edit source]]

Hi Tangerineduel! My name is Playsonic2 and I’m the Fandom Wiki Manager assigned to TARDIS Data Core. I am here to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff.

I also happen to be an administrator at the Spanish Doctor Who Wiki, which has me spending considerable amount of time here (adding interlanguage links mostly). I know this wiki wonderfully organised and that CzechOut assists with any technical issues, but if there are ever any issues I could assist with, I would be pleased to help. I will be available on my talk page! ~Playsonic2 09:03, May 20, 2019 (UTC)

Heya! Just here to let you know that Fandom now has an official Discord server and lots of editors are joining. In this blog post at Community Central you can find more information, as well as a server invite link if you wish to join us. There are many editors there, as well as staff members, and a variety of channels. Cheers! Playsonic2 ☎ 07:46, July 11, 2019 (UTC)

BBC[[edit source]]

Hi, thanks for merging the BBC pages. I just finished removing all the links to "BBC (real world)" and deleted that page. User:OncomingStorm12th and I cleaned up the BBC page, so it flows better. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 02:20, June 28, 2019 (UTC)

Mark I Travel Machine[[edit source]]

Hi there. This will be a blast from the past: over ten years ago now you edited AUDIO: Guilt and added a note that the prototype Dalek seen in the story was of the same design (by description and implication) seen in TV: The Daleks. If you remember could you please elaborate on this description and implication as I find it hard to reconcile this fact as the Daleks Davros eventually presented to the world were Mark III Travel Machines and not Mark Is. Thanks in advance. --Borisashton ☎ 12:01, September 21, 2019 (UTC)

About the Deceased category[[edit source]]

A few days ago, I noticed there was no deceased category for this wiki, so I thought I should create one. So I tried, and saw that you had chosen for this page not to be created, as you judged it not useful since all articles were written in the past tense. Of course, a deceased category for a time-travel related series isn't an easy task. Should be put any characters that most likely died of old age in this category ? Personally, I don't think so. In my opinion, if we were to have such a category on this wiki, only the ones whose deaths were either witnessed in the series or seen as absolute (for instance Amy and Rory's), when we know those characters will very most likely never be seen again. Well, they could in some extreme cases, then they will just be removed. So as you probably have guessed by now, I am writing this message to you in order to ask you to re-considerate your decision regarding this category. Of course, in the case where you would accept, I would gladly take care of filling this category myself (i have seen all the new series but not the old ones yet, it's only a matter of time). I will then await for your decision on this matter, With all due respect,

ThePurpleShadow ☎ 13:21, October 27, 2019 (UTC)

Re:Deceased category[[edit source]]

Thanks to your message, I now understand your point of view better. There is indeed a lot I didn't take into account when I thought this category was needed on this wiki. I usually visit wikis and recently have been adding/completing deceased categories on others, like Reborn's for example. So when I saw this one I thought it was missing, and it could have been useful. But now I see why this isn't the case, and I am sorry I bothered you for such a matter. Anyway, thanks again for taking the time to write me a reply that could enlighten me about this wiki,

ThePurpleShadow ☎ 19:15, October 29, 2019 (UTC)

Tardis:User rights nominations[[edit source]]

Hi. As you know, since you left a brief comment there, I've started a self-nomination over Tardis:User rights nominations. I'm not sure how up-to-track you've been keeping yourself around the wiki, but I thought of bringing to your attention that the usual "one week" period for comments has passed, and you might (if you have the time to, of course) weight in if more time's need or something of the sorts. Anyway, thanks in advance. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 23:36, January 31, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw on your "contributions" section that you still show up once in a while. I'm glad to see this. Also, thanks for closing it. Now into new territory. :) OncomingStorm12th ☎ 14:54, February 1, 2020 (UTC)

Left-over vandalism[[edit source]]

Hey. Thanks for dealing with the two vandals just now. As per the restrictions in Tardis:Vandalism policy regarding removal of others' comments may I have your permission to remove all the comments at User talk:Borisashton#Singular they? Thanks in advance. --Borisashton ☎ 15:11, February 5, 2020 (UTC)

I'd like to say thanks too and ask the same regarding my own page. --DCLM ☎ 15:15, February 5, 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. Also, I have no idea how to archive the talk page discussions. --DCLM ☎ 15:48, February 5, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Template order[[edit source]]

Oh, it makes sense. Since most of these "small, rectangle templates" usually go on top, I'd assumed it was ended up being moved to the bottom of the page during a bot run, and went sort of unnoticed, but now looking at the page history I realize it was there since day one. Will change it back. Thanks for the heads up. OncomingStorm12th (talk) 16:15, February 5, 2020 (UTC)

Just FYI, since you banned them[[edit source]]

User:Dissident Prodigy appears to be a sock puppet User:Unbanned reality talk. The former was created suspiciously quickly after the latter was banned, the names are vaguely similar, and the former’s only contributions are removing messages insulting the latter from his talk page (including that one message about mentioning logical fallacies by name being ‘reddit-tier arguing’, which, if you look at the history, the latter kept trying to remove - obviously it hit too close to home), as well as a supsicious cryptic comment about the ‘shoe [being] on the other foot’ on Shamabala’s talk page. Probably something you should look into. 82.132.220.11talk to me 13:04, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks[[edit source]]

Thank you for putting an end to User:120.20.195.104's obstruction of the Wikia. It started on the Series 12 page, which admin Shambala108 had to lock because they continued to undo facts. I replied to Shambala on the talk page to do something and they kept counter-arguing it. Then I took to editing other pages, which they then kept undoing, obstructing work. Then I had to report to Shambala108 about it, which they followed and kept trying to argue again, this time going at me with personal attacks. --DCLM ☎ 13:10, February 9, 2020 (UTC)

Furthermore they also broke the Tardis:Spoiler policy by naming spoilers outside the series page, specifically on Shambala's talk page. --DCLM ☎ 13:15, February 9, 2020 (UTC)

Hopefully, you are right. But I do have my worries that this could continue. And without accusations, I do have slight suspicions that this in itself is a continuation of past actions, as I do remember a user of the past (half a year back or so) who engaged in the same kind of actions with the same motives. --DCLM ☎ 13:31, February 9, 2020 (UTC)

The user is back at again with these removals of sourced material. Could you please take action before this escalates once again? Thank you. --DCLM ☎ 07:37, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

You agree it's unsourced? Cheers! Best to lock the page again so Danny doesn't edit-war. 120.20.172.137talk to me 07:40, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
YOU edit-war because you won't accept the facts as they are. YOU were blocked for this. Not once, but twice. Tangerineduel was easy on you with a one day block, but Shambala made your block longer for these actions. Why can't you take the hint that you are messing the page up by doing this? --DCLM ☎ 07:45, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
You admitted it's unsourced. You agree with me. Thank you! Why can't you read what you say? 120.20.172.137talk to me 07:47, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
"I think you need reading glasses. I didn't agree. I said you removed SOURCED material. Do you never get tired of going against this Wikia? You'll probably end up getting another block. --DCLM ☎ 07:49, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
How's it sourced? Explain to me where it says it's definitely a Christmas special. Also point me to the part where it says it may be completely wrong. If you can't, then I think you need reading glasses. 120.20.172.137talk to me 07:59, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
You tried this once before, remember? Without luck. Oh, and you have no respect for the spoiler policy as you again posted a spoiler where they are not allowed. I'm done with arguing this fact that you can't accept. The admins can take it from here. --DCLM ☎ 08:10, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
Because you won't read the source. Just admit it. You've never opened it. You'll never even mention the bit where it says the source could be wrong. Copy-paste it. I dare you. Bet you won't. Scared of admitting you're wrong. 120.20.172.137talk to me 08:21, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
Read it multiple times, thanks. Still not wrong. Oh, and why would I deliberately break the spoiler policy? --DCLM ☎ 08:29, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
Clearly not. Told you that you won't confirm that I'm right concerning the source. I'm right again? Wow! I'll be back here when it airs before Christmas, just to tell you that I told you so. 120.20.172.137talk to me 08:31, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
The only regrettable thing is that I can't deal with disobedient Wikia-trolls like you myself and I have to pester another poor admin to take care of it because people like you keep coming back for more. Unable to accept things as they are. --DCLM ☎ 08:39, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
Unable to accept sources as they are? Hey, that's you! Won't even accept what it says. Can I make my CV, say that I paid for the whole series since 1963 and put in online? That's a reliable source, yeah? You seem to think so! 120.20.172.137talk to me 08:50, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

Re: UCP and nomination[[edit source]]

Ah, thank you for getting back to me! Yes, that sounds fair. And I have indeed familiarised myself with the UCP on other Wikis; seemed only sensible.

(I don't think it will affect the Wiki too badly, from what I've seen; the only area where I'm worried is the Forum, depending on how we handle the situation. In fact, the option to fill in image file descriptions within the source editor of a page, rather than having to go through Special:Upload ahead of time, even seems like it might help significantly with issues of new users posting images without any licenses or categories.) --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 17:22, September 20, 2020 (UTC)

Well… as you'll doubtless have noticed, we have, now, moved to the UCP, for better or for worse. Will you be able to get back to my case? --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 13:59, September 29, 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much! (Speaking of replies — you didn't actually reply to my response to your concerns in ==Neutral==; by all means do if there are areas I didn't address/more assurances you feel I should give.) --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 05:48, September 30, 2020 (UTC)
Point of information, I'm not sure we've finished the move to UCP. There are a variety of changes that come with UCP, the change to the forums is only one of them. I'm not sure that this is relevant, as the others aren't necessarily going to change much on an admin front to my knowledge, but it is something to bear in mind. (For instance, we still have "Recent Wiki Activity" on my end, which I'm certainly not complaining about, but shouldn't be the case? So I dunno what's going on, but it doesn't seem to be a full transition to UCP. Again, not sure if this is relevant to pausing the admin nom going forward, as the biggest issue there seemed to be the forums from my limited perspective, but it should be pointed out.) Najawin ☎ 09:10, September 30, 2020 (UTC)
Oh, absolutely! Had you had more to ask I would definitely have posted the answers on the nomination page.
As regards Najawin's message above, I mean, we had the banner announcing we had moved. It may be we are keeping WikiActivity after all as a special favour to one of the Original 100 Wikis? Who knows. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 14:20, September 30, 2020 (UTC)

Admin categories[[edit source]]

Since you moved yourself into a new category on Tardis:Administrators, I'm wondering if some of the admins listed in the "Frequently active admins" category should also be moved (or whether it's incumbent on them to move themselves). I know when I was newer a few months ago the category not quite lining up confused me. Najawin ☎ 21:18, October 2, 2020 (UTC)

Community Connect[[edit source]]

Hey there! Not sure we've spoken much, but I'm Chris - a Wiki Representative at Fandom. Have you heard of an event called Community Connect? It's a Fandom event where news is often revealed about the platform and you get to chat to other admins. It's virtual this year over Zoom or similar but no mic or camera needed. It's 7th + 8th August at 8-12 PT. Is this something you would be interested in attending? I can't guarantee an invite, but I can look into getting one sent to the email associated with your Fandom account --Spongebob456 talk <staff/>

Fandom projects[[edit source]]

Hi! Got a couple of things:

As this wiki used to use Special:Forum, Fandom wants to make sure that old forum links and references aren't cluttering up maintenance special pages (unusedfiles, needed pages etc). Would you mind checking and letting me know asap as to whether that's an issue for this wiki? Just looking for dead links to forums in special pages, or links to images used in forums but are now dead, stuff like that. No need to attempt to cleanup yourself, I just need to know if they exist.

Secondly, did you receive an email sent last week I believe inviting you to The Downstream on September 10th? The email is titled "[The Downstream] Ask Fandom Anything, Social Media Tips, and Data Insights". I just want to confirm you received the email as we know Fandom outreach emails often land in spam.

If you could let me know about both of those things, that would be fantastic. Thanks! --Spongebob456 talk <staff/> 09:43, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Temporary forums[[edit source]]

Hey! Hope all is well in your neck of the woods. Since you've been away, a new discussion's been going on, with our continuing need for forums to get things done again. As we've been in a transition period for a while, and user:CzechOut's still busy preparing the next stage of evolution, some users have proposed we make space for these necessary conversations.

Would be good to get another eye on this. Do you think you could have a look? It's over at Tardis talk:Temporary forums.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 07:01, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Discussions AbuseFilter[[edit source]]

Hey! A new feature is available on Discussions - Discussions AbuseFilter (DAF). This is designed to be a tool to help moderation on Discussions, if certain behaviours are being disruptive and making manual moderation difficult:

Not compulsory for anyone to use it etc, just letting you know it's here. As a note about forums, I have asked Czech about it and I know he is aware it's still needed. If I can help with anything though, please give me a shout on here or Discord! --Spongebob456 talk <staff/> 20:36, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Joledex?[[edit source]]

Im not really sure because it has been a while back. Maybe because I wasn't sure about the spelling of the name 08:46, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Admin nomination[[edit source]]

Hi Tangerineduel, just wanted to ping you to let you know that the admin nomination for User:Bongolium500 at Tardis:User rights nominations has passed the one week threshold and is ready for conclusion. Hope you've been well! – n8 (☎) 14:15, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Hey — cheers on closing Bongolium's nomination, but just letting you know that his actual user rights don't appear to have been changed yet? Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 13:32, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
Ah, makes sense! Thanks. (This is just why we need Bongolium; I'm no good at the coding stuff…) Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 13:43, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Re:Admin - Welcome![[edit source]]

Thanks for the welcome! Don't worry about the wait: everyone has their busy moments. I look forward to getting started with some of my new responsibilities! Bongo50 ☎ 17:20, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Temporary Forums Are Live![[edit source]]

Hello!

Just wanted to notify you that, User:CzechOut's final deadline of "by New Year's Day" having passed, and following in-depth discussion between myself and fellow admins User:SOTO, User:OncomingStorm12th and User:Bongolium500, we have decided to activate Tardis:Temporary forums, come what may. A sitenotice has been set to inform the community of this development, and I am taking it upon myself to personally update our Administrators on the situation, as well as yourself.

As the name implies, we hope the Temporary Forums will remain — well — temporary. Any work on reactivating proper DPL Forums will still be welcome and appreciated; this system is a further fine-tuning of the setup Bongolium500 had proposed in December 2021, which it means is designed from the ground up to be easy to transfer into the actual DPL Forums if we should get those back in the near future after all.

But it has been multiple years since the Wiki has had a venue for changing policy and forming community consensus on important matters. Bongolium500 and SOTO put forward the first draft of the Temporary Forums a full year ago — and were convinced to retract it by a promise that the real Forums would come ‘very soon’; and here we are. I don't think anyone's at fault; I do think everyone has the Wiki's best interests at heart. But the time has come to realise that the overly-optimistic strategy of endlessly putting off an imperfect temporary solution in pursuit of a perfect one "soon" has failed, resoundingly. It is time for a different approach. The Tardis community are owed a different approach. If you have active DPL Forums to give us, we will take them gladly. But we cannot sacrifice one more promising alternative to a nebulous future possibility which has already proven more difficult to achieve that you'd expected several times over. It is our hope that you can understand respect our decision in this matter.

We four elementals behind the Temporary Forums would like to reassure the rest of the admin team that this necessary step is not intended to create more work for them unbidden. Four are, if it comes to that, plenty enough to keep the peace a Forum with no more than six threads running at a time; we would be thrilled to see the rest of the team embracing the Temporary Forums, but please don't feel any obligation to do so.

Happy New Year, happy editing — and happy contribution to the New Forums!

Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 11:03, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Bot[[edit source]]

Hi, I was wondering if you knew what the process was for an admin to obtain a bot? T:HOW BOT seems geared towards non-admins. I have experience with programming and would like to use a bot to automate certain tasks. Bongo50 ☎ 19:51, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm familiar with the technical process of bot creation. However, all a bot really is is a second account with the bot user group which can only be granted by a bureaucrat so I was wondering what the procedure to obtain this is, if there is a procedure, or if I should just create the account and point it your way for you to add the admin and ot user groups. Bongo50 ☎ 16:16, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. I've created User:Botgo50. If you could assign it the "administrator" and "bot" user groups, that would be great. This is less important to me, but, while you're at it, would you be able to assign my main account "administrator (Semantic MediaWiki)"? I think I'm the only person using SMW at the moment and this group would be useful. Bongo50 ☎ 15:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Heads up about the thanks extension[[edit source]]

Hi. I just wanted to give you a heads up that Tardis is testing the "thanks" extension which Fandom will be rolling out to all wikis soon. This extension allows editors to thank other editors for their edits. The editor being thanked will then recieve a notification. Therefore, while you're actively performing edits, you may receieve a few more notifications than normal. If you notice any bugs, pass them onto User:Spongebob456. Bongo50 ☎ 19:59, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Re: Tardis Data Core change to Tardis Wiki[[edit source]]

Did we actually decide to officially change the name? If so, I can run through the Tardis namespace with my bot and get things updated. Bongo50 ☎ 14:44, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

For what it's worth it's not my understanding that "Tardis Data Core" is obsolete. We were, and remain, "the Tardis Data Core Wiki" in full; our old logo abridged this to Tardis Data Core, the new one abridges it to Tardis Wiki. That's my read. But if mileages on this vary too heavily (it seems concerning that out of us three no one is actually sure), we may need a thread to try and gauge what the community actually wants before we do anything drastic either way. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 15:59, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
I actually thought our full name was "Tardis Data Core, the Doctor Who Wiki". Bongo50 ☎ 16:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
I agree that a forum thread is a good idea. Does anyone particuarly want to start it? If not, I'm happy to do so within a few days. Bongo50 ☎ 18:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Ah, excellent! Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 10:45, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
Great! Bongo50 ☎ 15:48, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Can you give admin to my bot?[[edit source]]

Hi, I've been running User:Botgo50 relatively succesfully for a while now but it'd be really helpful if it could be given admin, mostly so that it can edit protected pages. Would you be able to do that next time you're arround? Thanks. Bongo50 ☎ 19:02, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Re: Bot admin request[[edit source]]

Thank you very much! Bongo50 ☎ 15:54, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Admin+[[edit source]]

Hey there! I’m reaching out to introduce the Admin+ program (if you haven’t heard about it already!) & let you know I’m here if you have any questions about it. Take a look at the details here & feel free to send over any questions you have. pikushi ✧.* <staff /> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Request for help[[edit source]]

Hi! I was wondering if I could get you to look into this issue. For various reasons (which I would be glad to tell you if you wish), I don't feel I am the right person to address this, and I definitely don't think any of the newer admins could help. I feel like this situation is starting to remind me of something from long ago. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 01:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

re:Recent edits[[edit source]]

I think I get what you're saying, but I wanted to ask for some clarification. I was always told it is best to leave a reason behind reversions in the edit summaries, but I think your saying to only do so for a limited number of times before taking things to a talk page? BananaClownMan ☎ 11:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Since you're on[[edit source]]

Can you block 119.111.220.93‎? It's some random user that will do a ton of vandalism, get blocked, and then come back under a new IP a few weeks later. Najawin ☎ 07:13, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

RE: Wild Blue Yonder Numbers[[edit source]]

Hi there! Hope you are well. Per your response on my talk page, I wanted to check this. So does that mean it is best I leave those pages alone then and leave you and the order admins to sort out the whole merging thing? Looking forward to your reply. Snivy ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦ 11:22, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Re. Financial crisis of 2007[[edit source]]

While I'm not an expert on the topic, it seems to me that the credit crunch was one of the events that followed the financial crisis of 2007; the 2008 credit crunch wasn't the "main" incident. Although "credit crunch of 2008" is stated in dialogue while "financial crisis of 2007" isn't (to the best of my knowledge) it seems misleading to name the page "credit crunch of 2008".

It'd be like if D-Day was named in the DWU but World War II wasn't; it'd be incorrect to name the larger conflict "D-Day", even though in this hypothetical situation that name isn't conjectural while the name of the larger conflict would be.

But then, there easily could be a story that uses the name "financial crisis of 2007" somewhere, which maychave not been documented on the Wiki yet.

13:53, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

RE: Prop delete query[[edit source]]

Hey! Sorry I missed your message; I still haven't adapted to talk page notifications being moved to the bell. It's been great seeing you around more recently, by the way.

At time of writing, the only of my user subpages not related to the Forum Archive is the Five Doctors home media sandbox page, from a project it was ultimately decided in the forums not to proceed with anymore. (Shambala actually added that tag, not me, but I've been holding onto it in case there happens to be a revival in the New Forums.)

The Forum Archive has been on pause for a while due to a number of personal circumstances, and now it's a little stuck until I have access to a personal computer again, unfortunately. Those message-level pages (each message needs its own subpage due to the method of archiving, which meant organising large masses of files by adapting a spreadsheet made from an unrelated output) tagged were found to be spam posts, so the next step will be properly removing them from the final archive subpages before launch.

I should be able to complete those pre-launch steps from a library computer, come to think of it, so I hope to have time for that soon. I do appreciate your reminder!
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 05:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Deletions[[edit source]]

Two pages I added and edited were deleted. Kiviniss Ak And Rom Kor-Marisi Were two character editions direct from author Simon Guerrier As listed in the credits. Did I add them incorrectly? Thank you – The preceding unsigned comment was added by BrentSmith66 (talk • contribs) .

Welcome[[edit source]]

Well it's certainly great to have you! I'm glad you made it. I do seem to remember rumblings way back when in my own early days.

I can't imagine it would be fun sticking around with most of our support forked over here. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't sad to leave it behind, as exciting as all these new opportunities are to build the wiki the way we want it!

I'm going to make a concerted effort soon to import missed changes from the 5 or so days we missed during final preparations, by the way. If there's anything in particular you want me to bring over from before you got here, so you don't feel you have to re-do edits, do let me know!

(Incidentally, I've put in a request over at Wikimedia for them to add us to their inter-wikis. Might take a while before that's approved, but I thought it might be of interest, since that seems to be closer to your neck of the woods than mine.)

EDIT: Importing means preserving the edit history, which is generally preferable, but there's also nothing wrong with bringing things back up to date yourself. Especially given they're our own edits.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 05:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Ah, one other thing. As bureaucrats, on the independent wiki we now have access to Special:RenameUser. It really does what it says on the tin. Users might approach you with user rename requests now.
So long as there's nothing against the name in Tardis:Username policy, and the username doesn't already have any registered edits on Tardis, I see no reason not to fulfil them. I have been recommending that users place their old name somewhere visible on their user pages, though, for the avoidance of confusion.
(I've only done one so far. It never once occurred to me before this would be something I'd be doing.)
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 05:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Renaming users[[edit source]]

That is a really good point regarding the potential for abuse. I had only really considered allowing requests from long-term trusted users.
We'll need something in place to prevent user rename requests from being fulfilled that would too closely resemble other well-known users, for one thing... which can be hard to scale when the once-active user they might be confused for is long-gone. (Maybe checking against Special:ListUsers, ordered by edit count, up to a certain point, should be procedure, in case.)
We'll definitely need to lay out clearer policy. Watching out for signs of sockpuppet abuse is another, definitely. I think the first thing I'd lay out is a minimum threshold of time or number of edits with us in order to make the request. Maybe it should be on a public page, like a smaller-scale Tardis:User rights nominations.
A user requesting a name change would have to fill out a template where they confirm they meet the requirements. Maybe we'd allow very small scale changes to the name exactly once even soon after account creation, in the case of typos and such, but then require that they stick with us first.
The one thing I'd like to avoid is blindly approving any request from a user we don't really know. I think we can make it work, though!
(P.S. I brought in Tardis:User talk pages.)
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 06:42, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
It's looking good so far! Do I have your permission to make small changes while it's still in your sandbox?
It might also be good to quickly say that Tardis bureaucrats reserve the right to adjust the minimum number of edits (agreed, amount of time would be a bad idea) as new request data comes in. Please continue editing with us if you haven't met the mark yet! (Making sure to keep to good-faith edits. We probably need to introduce a variant on the GOR rules for hitting edit requirements.)
Also, if we are formally suggesting that new-ish users make new accounts (instead of granting one minor rename request in the first week, which does count in using up their 12 months), we'll have to make clear that they need to declare their old account per T:SOCK, unless they didn't make any edits with us.
Agreed on requirement to declare your old account for 6 months minimum. There should also be something, perhaps a separate page like Help:My rename request was rejected, which makes clear that repeated attempts to log for already-rejected names (or still too similar to them, or during a period when you have no "token") will result in a warning and then a temporarybban. If you've already been rejected, and you're not sure, ask a bureaucrat clarifying questions before submitting a request.
Bongo can probably make us a form with the required inputs, so it automatically creates a new section with syntax for user stats, once we get {{#editcount:USER}} up and running (and a link to a DPL page I can work on building for help finding similar usernames). But it might be worth manually checking.
Officially halting all user rename requests until we have this all set up and worked out.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 06:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
(I do also wonder if we should decide what to do in cases where new users have given themselves policy-breaking names like "Tardis admin" or some hate speech. Should we, by course, rename the user to "Permablock--638528", ie. some random string of 6 digits (wouldn't want anyone to see it as a leaderboard, in sequence), in order to remove that vandalism/bothersome claim, after blocking?)
(It seems to me that would be a good idea.)
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 06:53, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I've gone ahead and made a few relatively minor changes to Tardis:User rename policy, and I've streamlined the request page to make things easier. I also added in the total number of requests a user has made in the section heading (needs to be manually changed from #1 for further requests).

I'm pretty happy with both pages, personally. I've also updated Help:Changing your username now.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 08:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Checkuser checks and balances[[edit source]]

On a separate but related note, we also have the ability to grant users (read: ourselves) the checkuser role, which is even more serious.
Bongo suggested — and I agree — that for complete transparency, only when it's absolutely necessary to check for suspected socks, we will temporarily assign that role, perform the check, and then remove it again. Logs of any checkuser scan are also provided to the public, including an admin summary.
I strongly suggest we hold off on this for as long as possible, as we get settled in and update our policies. We need to think deeply about oversight and transparency, now that local policy really does prevail.
If you'd find it helpful, I can also invite you to a space where such things can be discussed with our sysadmins, who laid out our Privacy policy and General disclaimer.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 06:31, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

RE: Thanks[[edit source]]

You're very welcome. Lovely to have you! Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️

Bumbling around the new place[[edit source]]

Hello! A bit late, but I’m finding my way around the new digs. I was “surprised-but-not-surprised” when I learned the news of the migration; I certainly have seen enough headaches from arbitrary Fandom diktats to understand the reasons for the decision.

Although I was an infrequent editor and an even more infrequent admin on the old site, it would be nice to retain the admin bit. (Like the Doctor’s “parts” that Cassandra refers to in “New Earth”, it’s nice to have them even if they are “barely used.”)

Please let me know if there is anything I should be aware of about in the change beyond what’s in the general announcements. Thanks! —Josiah Rowe ☎ 19:35, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Ooh, that was quick! Looks like SOTO took care of it without me even asking! Now, that’s service! Never mind me, then. —Josiah Rowe ☎ 19:46, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

"Talking dog"[[edit source]]

Hey, I really do appreciate your going through the proposed mergers lately, but Talk:Talking dog was an ongoing discussion; it wasn't settled that it should be merged. Do please check these things! As you know, it's very tricky to undo a merge that was done in error. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 11:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Unnecessary category redirects[[edit source]]

Hi Tangerine, would you be able to delete Category:4DA Series 9 audio story images and Category:The Fourth Doctor Adventures Series 9 audio anthology images, as they are both unused and unnecessary; only existing because of mistakes whilst moving categories. The source code seems to be locked for them both though, so I can't put a delete tag there myself.

Ta, SID'gingerfool'RAT - ☎🔎 |📂|📝 23:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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