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Wiki Manager[[edit source]]

Hi Tangerineduel! My name is Playsonic2 and I’m the Fandom Wiki Manager assigned to TARDIS Data Core. I am here to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff.

I also happen to be an administrator at the Spanish Doctor Who Wiki, which has me spending considerable amount of time here (adding interlanguage links mostly). I know this wiki wonderfully organised and that CzechOut assists with any technical issues, but if there are ever any issues I could assist with, I would be pleased to help. I will be available on my talk page! ~Playsonic2 09:03, May 20, 2019 (UTC)

Heya! Just here to let you know that Fandom now has an official Discord server and lots of editors are joining. In this blog post at Community Central you can find more information, as well as a server invite link if you wish to join us. There are many editors there, as well as staff members, and a variety of channels. Cheers! Playsonic2 ☎ 07:46, July 11, 2019 (UTC)

BBC[[edit source]]

Hi, thanks for merging the BBC pages. I just finished removing all the links to "BBC (real world)" and deleted that page. User:OncomingStorm12th and I cleaned up the BBC page, so it flows better. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 02:20, June 28, 2019 (UTC)

Mark I Travel Machine[[edit source]]

Hi there. This will be a blast from the past: over ten years ago now you edited AUDIO: Guilt and added a note that the prototype Dalek seen in the story was of the same design (by description and implication) seen in TV: The Daleks. If you remember could you please elaborate on this description and implication as I find it hard to reconcile this fact as the Daleks Davros eventually presented to the world were Mark III Travel Machines and not Mark Is. Thanks in advance. --Borisashton ☎ 12:01, September 21, 2019 (UTC)

About the Deceased category[[edit source]]

A few days ago, I noticed there was no deceased category for this wiki, so I thought I should create one. So I tried, and saw that you had chosen for this page not to be created, as you judged it not useful since all articles were written in the past tense. Of course, a deceased category for a time-travel related series isn't an easy task. Should be put any characters that most likely died of old age in this category ? Personally, I don't think so. In my opinion, if we were to have such a category on this wiki, only the ones whose deaths were either witnessed in the series or seen as absolute (for instance Amy and Rory's), when we know those characters will very most likely never be seen again. Well, they could in some extreme cases, then they will just be removed. So as you probably have guessed by now, I am writing this message to you in order to ask you to re-considerate your decision regarding this category. Of course, in the case where you would accept, I would gladly take care of filling this category myself (i have seen all the new series but not the old ones yet, it's only a matter of time). I will then await for your decision on this matter, With all due respect,

ThePurpleShadow ☎ 13:21, October 27, 2019 (UTC)

Re:Deceased category[[edit source]]

Thanks to your message, I now understand your point of view better. There is indeed a lot I didn't take into account when I thought this category was needed on this wiki. I usually visit wikis and recently have been adding/completing deceased categories on others, like Reborn's for example. So when I saw this one I thought it was missing, and it could have been useful. But now I see why this isn't the case, and I am sorry I bothered you for such a matter. Anyway, thanks again for taking the time to write me a reply that could enlighten me about this wiki,

ThePurpleShadow ☎ 19:15, October 29, 2019 (UTC)

Tardis:User rights nominations[[edit source]]

Hi. As you know, since you left a brief comment there, I've started a self-nomination over Tardis:User rights nominations. I'm not sure how up-to-track you've been keeping yourself around the wiki, but I thought of bringing to your attention that the usual "one week" period for comments has passed, and you might (if you have the time to, of course) weight in if more time's need or something of the sorts. Anyway, thanks in advance. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 23:36, January 31, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw on your "contributions" section that you still show up once in a while. I'm glad to see this. Also, thanks for closing it. Now into new territory. :) OncomingStorm12th ☎ 14:54, February 1, 2020 (UTC)

Left-over vandalism[[edit source]]

Hey. Thanks for dealing with the two vandals just now. As per the restrictions in Tardis:Vandalism policy regarding removal of others' comments may I have your permission to remove all the comments at User talk:Borisashton#Singular they? Thanks in advance. --Borisashton ☎ 15:11, February 5, 2020 (UTC)

I'd like to say thanks too and ask the same regarding my own page. --DCLM ☎ 15:15, February 5, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Also, I have no idea how to archive the talk page discussions. --DCLM ☎ 15:48, February 5, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Template order[[edit source]]

Oh, it makes sense. Since most of these "small, rectangle templates" usually go on top, I'd assumed it was ended up being moved to the bottom of the page during a bot run, and went sort of unnoticed, but now looking at the page history I realize it was there since day one. Will change it back. Thanks for the heads up. OncomingStorm12th (talk) 16:15, February 5, 2020 (UTC)

Just FYI, since you banned them[[edit source]]

User:Dissident Prodigy appears to be a sock puppet User:Unbanned reality talk. The former was created suspiciously quickly after the latter was banned, the names are vaguely similar, and the former’s only contributions are removing messages insulting the latter from his talk page (including that one message about mentioning logical fallacies by name being ‘reddit-tier arguing’, which, if you look at the history, the latter kept trying to remove - obviously it hit too close to home), as well as a supsicious cryptic comment about the ‘shoe [being] on the other foot’ on Shamabala’s talk page. Probably something you should look into. 82.132.220.11^{talk to me} 13:04, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks[[edit source]]

Thank you for putting an end to User:120.20.195.104's obstruction of the Wikia. It started on the Series 12 page, which admin Shambala108 had to lock because they continued to undo facts. I replied to Shambala on the talk page to do something and they kept counter-arguing it. Then I took to editing other pages, which they then kept undoing, obstructing work. Then I had to report to Shambala108 about it, which they followed and kept trying to argue again, this time going at me with personal attacks. --DCLM ☎ 13:10, February 9, 2020 (UTC)

Furthermore they also broke the Tardis:Spoiler policy by naming spoilers outside the series page, specifically on Shambala's talk page. --DCLM ☎ 13:15, February 9, 2020 (UTC)

Hopefully, you are right. But I do have my worries that this could continue. And without accusations, I do have slight suspicions that this in itself is a continuation of past actions, as I do remember a user of the past (half a year back or so) who engaged in the same kind of actions with the same motives. --DCLM ☎ 13:31, February 9, 2020 (UTC)

The user is back at again with these removals of sourced material. Could you please take action before this escalates once again? Thank you. --DCLM ☎ 07:37, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

You agree it's unsourced? Cheers! Best to lock the page again so Danny doesn't edit-war. 120.20.172.137^{talk to me} 07:40, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

YOU edit-war because you won't accept the facts as they are. YOU were blocked for this. Not once, but twice. Tangerineduel was easy on you with a one day block, but Shambala made your block longer for these actions. Why can't you take the hint that you are messing the page up by doing this? --DCLM ☎ 07:45, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

You admitted it's unsourced. You agree with me. Thank you! Why can't you read what you say? 120.20.172.137^{talk to me} 07:47, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

"I think you need reading glasses. I didn't agree. I said you removed SOURCED material. Do you never get tired of going against this Wikia? You'll probably end up getting another block. --DCLM ☎ 07:49, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

How's it sourced? Explain to me where it says it's definitely a Christmas special. Also point me to the part where it says it may be completely wrong. If you can't, then I think you need reading glasses. 120.20.172.137^{talk to me} 07:59, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

You tried this once before, remember? Without luck. Oh, and you have no respect for the spoiler policy as you again posted a spoiler where they are not allowed. I'm done with arguing this fact that you can't accept. The admins can take it from here. --DCLM ☎ 08:10, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

Because you won't read the source. Just admit it. You've never opened it. You'll never even mention the bit where it says the source could be wrong. Copy-paste it. I dare you. Bet you won't. Scared of admitting you're wrong. 120.20.172.137^{talk to me} 08:21, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

Read it multiple times, thanks. Still not wrong. Oh, and why would I deliberately break the spoiler policy? --DCLM ☎ 08:29, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

Clearly not. Told you that you won't confirm that I'm right concerning the source. I'm right again? Wow! I'll be back here when it airs before Christmas, just to tell you that I told you so. 120.20.172.137^{talk to me} 08:31, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

The only regrettable thing is that I can't deal with disobedient Wikia-trolls like you myself and I have to pester another poor admin to take care of it because people like you keep coming back for more. Unable to accept things as they are. --DCLM ☎ 08:39, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

Unable to accept sources as they are? Hey, that's you! Won't even accept what it says. Can I make my CV, say that I paid for the whole series since 1963 and put in online? That's a reliable source, yeah? You seem to think so! 120.20.172.137^{talk to me} 08:50, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

Re: UCP and nomination[[edit source]]

Ah, thank you for getting back to me! Yes, that sounds fair. And I have indeed familiarised myself with the UCP on other Wikis; seemed only sensible.

(I don't think it will affect the Wiki too badly, from what I've seen; the only area where I'm worried is the Forum, depending on how we handle the situation. In fact, the option to fill in image file descriptions within the source editor of a page, rather than having to go through Special:Upload ahead of time, even seems like it might help significantly with issues of new users posting images without any licenses or categories.) --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 17:22, September 20, 2020 (UTC)

Well… as you'll doubtless have noticed, we have, now, moved to the UCP, for better or for worse. Will you be able to get back to my case? --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 13:59, September 29, 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much! (Speaking of replies — you didn't actually reply to my response to your concerns in ==Neutral==; by all means do if there are areas I didn't address/more assurances you feel I should give.) --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 05:48, September 30, 2020 (UTC)

Point of information, I'm not sure we've finished the move to UCP. There are a variety of changes that come with UCP, the change to the forums is only one of them. I'm not sure that this is relevant, as the others aren't necessarily going to change much on an admin front to my knowledge, but it is something to bear in mind. (For instance, we still have "Recent Wiki Activity" on my end, which I'm certainly not complaining about, but shouldn't be the case? So I dunno what's going on, but it doesn't seem to be a full transition to UCP. Again, not sure if this is relevant to pausing the admin nom going forward, as the biggest issue there seemed to be the forums from my limited perspective, but it should be pointed out.) Najawin ☎ 09:10, September 30, 2020 (UTC)

Oh, absolutely! Had you had more to ask I would definitely have posted the answers on the nomination page.

As regards Najawin's message above, I mean, we had the banner announcing we had moved. It may be we are keeping WikiActivity after all as a special favour to one of the Original 100 Wikis? Who knows. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 14:20, September 30, 2020 (UTC)

Admin categories[[edit source]]

Since you moved yourself into a new category on Tardis:Administrators, I'm wondering if some of the admins listed in the "Frequently active admins" category should also be moved (or whether it's incumbent on them to move themselves). I know when I was newer a few months ago the category not quite lining up confused me. Najawin ☎ 21:18, October 2, 2020 (UTC)

Community Connect[[edit source]]

Hey there! Not sure we've spoken much, but I'm Chris - a Wiki Representative at Fandom. Have you heard of an event called Community Connect? It's a Fandom event where news is often revealed about the platform and you get to chat to other admins. It's virtual this year over Zoom or similar but no mic or camera needed. It's 7th + 8th August at 8-12 PT. Is this something you would be interested in attending? I can't guarantee an invite, but I can look into getting one sent to the email associated with your Fandom account --Spongebob456 ^talk <staff/>

Fandom projects[[edit source]]

Hi! Got a couple of things:

As this wiki used to use Special:Forum, Fandom wants to make sure that old forum links and references aren't cluttering up maintenance special pages (unusedfiles, needed pages etc). Would you mind checking and letting me know asap as to whether that's an issue for this wiki? Just looking for dead links to forums in special pages, or links to images used in forums but are now dead, stuff like that. No need to attempt to cleanup yourself, I just need to know if they exist.

Secondly, did you receive an email sent last week I believe inviting you to The Downstream on September 10th? The email is titled "[The Downstream] Ask Fandom Anything, Social Media Tips, and Data Insights". I just want to confirm you received the email as we know Fandom outreach emails often land in spam.

If you could let me know about both of those things, that would be fantastic. Thanks! --Spongebob456 ^talk <staff/> 09:43, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Temporary forums[[edit source]]

Hey! Hope all is well in your neck of the woods. Since you've been away, a new discussion's been going on, with our continuing need for forums to get things done again. As we've been in a transition period for a while, and user:CzechOut's still busy preparing the next stage of evolution, some users have proposed we make space for these necessary conversations.

Would be good to get another eye on this. Do you think you could have a look? It's over at Tardis talk:Temporary forums.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 07:01, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Discussions AbuseFilter[[edit source]]

Hey! A new feature is available on Discussions - Discussions AbuseFilter (DAF). This is designed to be a tool to help moderation on Discussions, if certain behaviours are being disruptive and making manual moderation difficult:

Not compulsory for anyone to use it etc, just letting you know it's here. As a note about forums, I have asked Czech about it and I know he is aware it's still needed. If I can help with anything though, please give me a shout on here or Discord! --Spongebob456 ^talk <staff/> 20:36, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Joledex?[[edit source]]

Im not really sure because it has been a while back. Maybe because I wasn't sure about the spelling of the name 08:46, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Admin nomination[[edit source]]

Hi Tangerineduel, just wanted to ping you to let you know that the admin nomination for User:Bongolium500 at Tardis:User rights nominations has passed the one week threshold and is ready for conclusion. Hope you've been well! – n8 (☎) 14:15, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Hey — cheers on closing Bongolium's nomination, but just letting you know that his actual user rights don't appear to have been changed yet? Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 13:32, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Ah, makes sense! Thanks. (This is just why we need Bongolium; I'm no good at the coding stuff…) Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 13:43, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Re:Admin - Welcome![[edit source]]

Thanks for the welcome! Don't worry about the wait: everyone has their busy moments. I look forward to getting started with some of my new responsibilities! Bongo50 ☎ 17:20, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Temporary Forums Are Live![[edit source]]

Hello!

Just wanted to notify you that, User:CzechOut's final deadline of "by New Year's Day" having passed, and following in-depth discussion between myself and fellow admins User:SOTO, User:OncomingStorm12th and User:Bongolium500, we have decided to activate Tardis:Temporary forums, come what may. A sitenotice has been set to inform the community of this development, and I am taking it upon myself to personally update our Administrators on the situation, as well as yourself.

As the name implies, we hope the Temporary Forums will remain — well — temporary. Any work on reactivating proper DPL Forums will still be welcome and appreciated; this system is a further fine-tuning of the setup Bongolium500 had proposed in December 2021, which it means is designed from the ground up to be easy to transfer into the actual DPL Forums if we should get those back in the near future after all.

But it has been multiple years since the Wiki has had a venue for changing policy and forming community consensus on important matters. Bongolium500 and SOTO put forward the first draft of the Temporary Forums a full year ago — and were convinced to retract it by a promise that the real Forums would come ‘very soon’; and here we are. I don't think anyone's at fault; I do think everyone has the Wiki's best interests at heart. But the time has come to realise that the overly-optimistic strategy of endlessly putting off an imperfect temporary solution in pursuit of a perfect one "soon" has failed, resoundingly. It is time for a different approach. The Tardis community are owed a different approach. If you have active DPL Forums to give us, we will take them gladly. But we cannot sacrifice one more promising alternative to a nebulous future possibility which has already proven more difficult to achieve that you'd expected several times over. It is our hope that you can understand respect our decision in this matter.

We four elementals behind the Temporary Forums would like to reassure the rest of the admin team that this necessary step is not intended to create more work for them unbidden. Four are, if it comes to that, plenty enough to keep the peace a Forum with no more than six threads running at a time; we would be thrilled to see the rest of the team embracing the Temporary Forums, but please don't feel any obligation to do so.

Happy New Year, happy editing — and happy contribution to the New Forums!

Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 11:03, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Bot[[edit source]]

Hi, I was wondering if you knew what the process was for an admin to obtain a bot? T:HOW BOT seems geared towards non-admins. I have experience with programming and would like to use a bot to automate certain tasks. Bongo50 ☎ 19:51, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm familiar with the technical process of bot creation. However, all a bot really is is a second account with the bot user group which can only be granted by a bureaucrat so I was wondering what the procedure to obtain this is, if there is a procedure, or if I should just create the account and point it your way for you to add the admin and ot user groups. Bongo50 ☎ 16:16, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I've created User:Botgo50. If you could assign it the "administrator" and "bot" user groups, that would be great. This is less important to me, but, while you're at it, would you be able to assign my main account "administrator (Semantic MediaWiki)"? I think I'm the only person using SMW at the moment and this group would be useful. Bongo50 ☎ 15:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Heads up about the thanks extension[[edit source]]

Hi. I just wanted to give you a heads up that Tardis is testing the "thanks" extension which Fandom will be rolling out to all wikis soon. This extension allows editors to thank other editors for their edits. The editor being thanked will then recieve a notification. Therefore, while you're actively performing edits, you may receieve a few more notifications than normal. If you notice any bugs, pass them onto User:Spongebob456. Bongo50 ☎ 19:59, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Re: Tardis Data Core change to Tardis Wiki[[edit source]]

Did we actually decide to officially change the name? If so, I can run through the Tardis namespace with my bot and get things updated. Bongo50 ☎ 14:44, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

For what it's worth it's not my understanding that "Tardis Data Core" is obsolete. We were, and remain, "the Tardis Data Core Wiki" in full; our old logo abridged this to Tardis Data Core, the new one abridges it to Tardis Wiki. That's my read. But if mileages on this vary too heavily (it seems concerning that out of us three no one is actually sure), we may need a thread to try and gauge what the community actually wants before we do anything drastic either way. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 15:59, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

I actually thought our full name was "Tardis Data Core, the Doctor Who Wiki". Bongo50 ☎ 16:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

I agree that a forum thread is a good idea. Does anyone particuarly want to start it? If not, I'm happy to do so within a few days. Bongo50 ☎ 18:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Ah, excellent! Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 10:45, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Great! Bongo50 ☎ 15:48, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Can you give admin to my bot?[[edit source]]

Hi, I've been running User:Botgo50 relatively succesfully for a while now but it'd be really helpful if it could be given admin, mostly so that it can edit protected pages. Would you be able to do that next time you're arround? Thanks. Bongo50 ☎ 19:02, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Re: Bot admin request[[edit source]]

Thank you very much! Bongo50 ☎ 15:54, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Admin+[[edit source]]

Hey there! I’m reaching out to introduce the Admin+ program (if you haven’t heard about it already!) & let you know I’m here if you have any questions about it. Take a look at the details here & feel free to send over any questions you have. pikushi ✧.* <staff /> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Request for help[[edit source]]

Hi! I was wondering if I could get you to look into this issue. For various reasons (which I would be glad to tell you if you wish), I don't feel I am the right person to address this, and I definitely don't think any of the newer admins could help. I feel like this situation is starting to remind me of something from long ago. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 01:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

re:Recent edits[[edit source]]

I think I get what you're saying, but I wanted to ask for some clarification. I was always told it is best to leave a reason behind reversions in the edit summaries, but I think your saying to only do so for a limited number of times before taking things to a talk page? BananaClownMan ☎ 11:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Since you're on[[edit source]]

Can you block 119.111.220.93‎? It's some random user that will do a ton of vandalism, get blocked, and then come back under a new IP a few weeks later. Najawin ☎ 07:13, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

RE: Wild Blue Yonder Numbers[[edit source]]

Hi there! Hope you are well. Per your response on my talk page, I wanted to check this. So does that mean it is best I leave those pages alone then and leave you and the order admins to sort out the whole merging thing? Looking forward to your reply. Snivy ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦ 11:22, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Re. Financial crisis of 2007[[edit source]]

While I'm not an expert on the topic, it seems to me that the credit crunch was one of the events that followed the financial crisis of 2007; the 2008 credit crunch wasn't the "main" incident. Although "credit crunch of 2008" is stated in dialogue while "financial crisis of 2007" isn't (to the best of my knowledge) it seems misleading to name the page "credit crunch of 2008".

It'd be like if D-Day was named in the DWU but World War II wasn't; it'd be incorrect to name the larger conflict "D-Day", even though in this hypothetical situation that name isn't conjectural while the name of the larger conflict would be.

But then, there easily could be a story that uses the name "financial crisis of 2007" somewhere, which maychave not been documented on the Wiki yet.

EPSILON^🔎 |📯|📂|📦|📝

13:53, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

RE: Prop delete query[[edit source]]

Hey! Sorry I missed your message; I still haven't adapted to talk page notifications being moved to the bell. It's been great seeing you around more recently, by the way.

At time of writing, the only of my user subpages not related to the Forum Archive is the Five Doctors home media sandbox page, from a project it was ultimately decided in the forums not to proceed with anymore. (Shambala actually added that tag, not me, but I've been holding onto it in case there happens to be a revival in the New Forums.)

The Forum Archive has been on pause for a while due to a number of personal circumstances, and now it's a little stuck until I have access to a personal computer again, unfortunately. Those message-level pages (each message needs its own subpage due to the method of archiving, which meant organising large masses of files by adapting a spreadsheet made from an unrelated output) tagged were found to be spam posts, so the next step will be properly removing them from the final archive subpages before launch.

I should be able to complete those pre-launch steps from a library computer, come to think of it, so I hope to have time for that soon. I do appreciate your reminder!
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 05:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Deletions[[edit source]]

Two pages I added and edited were deleted. Kiviniss Ak And Rom Kor-Marisi Were two character editions direct from author Simon Guerrier As listed in the credits. Did I add them incorrectly? Thank you – The preceding unsigned comment was added by BrentSmith66 (talk • contribs) .

Welcome[[edit source]]

Well it's certainly great to have you! I'm glad you made it. I do seem to remember rumblings way back when in my own early days.

I can't imagine it would be fun sticking around with most of our support forked over here. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't sad to leave it behind, as exciting as all these new opportunities are to build the wiki the way we want it!

I'm going to make a concerted effort soon to import missed changes from the 5 or so days we missed during final preparations, by the way. If there's anything in particular you want me to bring over from before you got here, so you don't feel you have to re-do edits, do let me know!

(Incidentally, I've put in a request over at Wikimedia for them to add us to their inter-wikis. Might take a while before that's approved, but I thought it might be of interest, since that seems to be closer to your neck of the woods than mine.)

EDIT: Importing means preserving the edit history, which is generally preferable, but there's also nothing wrong with bringing things back up to date yourself. Especially given they're our own edits.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 05:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Ah, one other thing. As bureaucrats, on the independent wiki we now have access to Special:RenameUser. It really does what it says on the tin. Users might approach you with user rename requests now.

So long as there's nothing against the name in Tardis:Username policy, and the username doesn't already have any registered edits on Tardis, I see no reason not to fulfil them. I have been recommending that users place their old name somewhere visible on their user pages, though, for the avoidance of confusion.

(I've only done one so far. It never once occurred to me before this would be something I'd be doing.)
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 05:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Renaming users[[edit source]]

That is a really good point regarding the potential for abuse. I had only really considered allowing requests from long-term trusted users.

We'll need something in place to prevent user rename requests from being fulfilled that would too closely resemble other well-known users, for one thing... which can be hard to scale when the once-active user they might be confused for is long-gone. (Maybe checking against Special:ListUsers, ordered by edit count, up to a certain point, should be procedure, in case.)

We'll definitely need to lay out clearer policy. Watching out for signs of sockpuppet abuse is another, definitely. I think the first thing I'd lay out is a minimum threshold of time or number of edits with us in order to make the request. Maybe it should be on a public page, like a smaller-scale Tardis:User rights nominations.

A user requesting a name change would have to fill out a template where they confirm they meet the requirements. Maybe we'd allow very small scale changes to the name exactly once even soon after account creation, in the case of typos and such, but then require that they stick with us first.

The one thing I'd like to avoid is blindly approving any request from a user we don't really know. I think we can make it work, though!

(P.S. I brought in Tardis:User talk pages.)
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 06:42, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

It's looking good so far! Do I have your permission to make small changes while it's still in your sandbox?

It might also be good to quickly say that Tardis bureaucrats reserve the right to adjust the minimum number of edits (agreed, amount of time would be a bad idea) as new request data comes in. Please continue editing with us if you haven't met the mark yet! (Making sure to keep to good-faith edits. We probably need to introduce a variant on the GOR rules for hitting edit requirements.)

Also, if we are formally suggesting that new-ish users make new accounts (instead of granting one minor rename request in the first week, which does count in using up their 12 months), we'll have to make clear that they need to declare their old account per T:SOCK, unless they didn't make any edits with us.

Agreed on requirement to declare your old account for 6 months minimum. There should also be something, perhaps a separate page like Help:My rename request was rejected, which makes clear that repeated attempts to log for already-rejected names (or still too similar to them, or during a period when you have no "token") will result in a warning and then a temporarybban. If you've already been rejected, and you're not sure, ask a bureaucrat clarifying questions before submitting a request.

Bongo can probably make us a form with the required inputs, so it automatically creates a new section with syntax for user stats, once we get {{#editcount:USER}} up and running (and a link to a DPL page I can work on building for help finding similar usernames). But it might be worth manually checking.

Officially halting all user rename requests until we have this all set up and worked out.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 06:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

(I do also wonder if we should decide what to do in cases where new users have given themselves policy-breaking names like "Tardis admin" or some hate speech. Should we, by course, rename the user to "Permablock--638528", ie. some random string of 6 digits (wouldn't want anyone to see it as a leaderboard, in sequence), in order to remove that vandalism/bothersome claim, after blocking?)

(It seems to me that would be a good idea.)
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 06:53, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I've gone ahead and made a few relatively minor changes to Tardis:User rename policy, and I've streamlined the request page to make things easier. I also added in the total number of requests a user has made in the section heading (needs to be manually changed from #1 for further requests).

I'm pretty happy with both pages, personally. I've also updated Help:Changing your username now.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 08:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Checkuser checks and balances[[edit source]]

On a separate but related note, we also have the ability to grant users (read: ourselves) the checkuser role, which is even more serious.

Bongo suggested — and I agree — that for complete transparency, only when it's absolutely necessary to check for suspected socks, we will temporarily assign that role, perform the check, and then remove it again. Logs of any checkuser scan are also provided to the public, including an admin summary.

I strongly suggest we hold off on this for as long as possible, as we get settled in and update our policies. We need to think deeply about oversight and transparency, now that local policy really does prevail.

If you'd find it helpful, I can also invite you to a space where such things can be discussed with our sysadmins, who laid out our Privacy policy and General disclaimer.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 06:31, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

RE: Thanks[[edit source]]

You're very welcome. Lovely to have you! Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️

Bumbling around the new place[[edit source]]

Hello! A bit late, but I’m finding my way around the new digs. I was “surprised-but-not-surprised” when I learned the news of the migration; I certainly have seen enough headaches from arbitrary Fandom diktats to understand the reasons for the decision.

Although I was an infrequent editor and an even more infrequent admin on the old site, it would be nice to retain the admin bit. (Like the Doctor’s “parts” that Cassandra refers to in “New Earth”, it’s nice to have them even if they are “barely used.”)

Please let me know if there is anything I should be aware of about in the change beyond what’s in the general announcements. Thanks! —Josiah Rowe ☎ 19:35, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Ooh, that was quick! Looks like SOTO took care of it without me even asking! Now, that’s service! Never mind me, then. —Josiah Rowe ☎ 19:46, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

"Talking dog"[[edit source]]

Hey, I really do appreciate your going through the proposed mergers lately, but Talk:Talking dog was an ongoing discussion; it wasn't settled that it should be merged. Do please check these things! As you know, it's very tricky to undo a merge that was done in error. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 11:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Unnecessary category redirects[[edit source]]

Hi Tangerine, would you be able to delete Category:4DA Series 9 audio story images and Category:The Fourth Doctor Adventures Series 9 audio anthology images, as they are both unused and unnecessary; only existing because of mistakes whilst moving categories. The source code seems to be locked for them both though, so I can't put a delete tag there myself.

Ta, SID'gingerfool'RAT - ☎^🔎 |📂|📝 23:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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 {{ArchCat}}
-== Geoffrey Sax ==
+== Wiki Manager ==
-Hey, since you've researched the production of the TV movie fairly carefully, is there any chance you could help me finish the Geoffrey Sax article expansion by filling in [[Geoffrey Sax#A new Doctor]]?  That'll be the section concentrating on Sax' contribution to the TVM.  Thanks. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''08:53:15 Wed&nbsp;'''20 Jul 2011&nbsp;</span>
+Hi Tangerineduel! My name is Playsonic2 and I’m the Fandom Wiki Manager assigned to TARDIS Data Core. I am here to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff.
-==Loss of edit button==
+I also happen to be an administrator at the Spanish Doctor Who Wiki, which has me spending considerable amount of time here (adding interlanguage links mostly). I know this wiki wonderfully organised and that [[user:CzechOut|CzechOut]] assists with any technical issues, but if there are ever any issues I could assist with, I would be pleased to help. I will be available on my talk page! ~[[User:Playsonic2|Playsonic2]] 09:03, May 20, 2019 (UTC)
-Yeah, just checked it out a bit.  Don't know ''why'' it's happening, but the edit dropdown is gone on both the user and user talk namespaces.  It's nothing to do with the archive tool, though, cause a) it's happening to people who've never touched archive tool, and it's not happening on regular talk pages where archive tool ''has'' been used. It's also happened recently, as the message above was left via the edit dropdown.  Seems like a wikia glitch to me.  I'll check community central to see if there's any chatter about it.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''15:45:28 Wed&nbsp;'''20 Jul 2011&nbsp;</span>
-:And, like magic, it's back again.  Didn't do anything.  It's just . . . back.  Yeah, that seems like a typical Wikia-generated problem.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''15:55:26 Wed&nbsp;'''20 Jul 2011&nbsp;</span>
-== Updating a single file with the cover of the latest issue of a magazine ==
+:Heya! Just here to let you know that Fandom now has an official Discord server and lots of editors are joining. In [[w:User blog:MisterWoodhouse/The Official Discord Server for Fandom and Gamepedia Editors|this blog post at Community Central]] you can find more information, as well as a server invite link if you wish to join us. There are many editors there, as well as staff members, and a variety of channels. Cheers! [[User:Playsonic2|Playsonic2]] [[User talk:Playsonic2|<span title="Talk">☎</span>]] 07:46, July 11, 2019 (UTC)
-Didn't notice [[User:BroadcastCorp.|BroadcastCorp.]] was up to this. I'll have a word with him. It's a bad idea.  Load times are an issue, but the more convincing is that eventually it won't work. He'll do an update and the pic just won't change, because of MediaWiki caching issues.  I'm sure you've seen this before.  You change a pic and it takes ''days'' for it to update.  That's maybe acceptable on a regular article page, but the front page is meant to be "newsy".  We want those pics to immediately update.  Only way to ensure that is to just use the actual file at, say [[:File:Dwm-issue-373.jpg]], rather than uploading that pic to ''another'' file named [[:file:Dwm.jpg]]  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''17:12:11 Fri&nbsp;'''22 Jul 2011&nbsp;</span>
+== BBC ==
-== Featured articles ==
+Hi, thanks for merging the BBC pages. I just finished removing all the links to "BBC (real world)" and deleted that page. [[User:OncomingStorm12th]] and I cleaned up the [[BBC]] page, so it flows better. Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:20, June 28, 2019 (UTC)
-I'm not working on an NA one. I'm pleased you approve of the new version of the nomination page; I was going to ask your opinion, but noticed you haven't been around lately. [[Tardis:Feature Article policy]] will need to be rewritten when the time comes, but other than that, I'm ready to begin the changeover when you want. Just give us a shout if you have any feedback or criticisms that need attention. Thanks--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 16:07, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
+== Mark I Travel Machine ==
+Hi there. This will be a blast from the past: over ten years ago now you [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Guilt_(audio_story)?diff=prev&oldid=238819 edited] [[AUDIO]]: ''[[Guilt (audio story)|Guilt]]'' and added a note that the prototype Dalek seen in the story was of the same design (by description and implication) seen in [[TV]]: ''[[The Daleks (TV story)|The Daleks]]''. If you remember could you please elaborate on this description and implication as I find it hard to reconcile this fact as the Daleks Davros eventually presented to the world were Mark III Travel Machines and not Mark Is. Thanks in advance. --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:01, September 21, 2019 (UTC)
-So from that, I take it, I'm free to implement the new version? Yeah, the only part of the policy in need of (major) attention is the section on voting.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 16:32, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
+== About the Deceased category ==
-Right, I've rewritten the policy and put it [[User:Skittles the hog/Sandbox one|in this sandbox]] (ignore the template at the bottom). Could you take a look if you have a min as it's not... that great.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 17:12, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
+A few days ago, I noticed there was no deceased category for this wiki, so I thought I should create one. So I tried, and saw that you had chosen for this page not to be created, as you judged it not useful since all articles were written in the past tense.
+Of course, a deceased category for a time-travel related series isn't an easy task. Should be put any characters that most likely died of old age in this category ? Personally, I don't think so. In my opinion, if we were to have such a category on this wiki, only the ones whose deaths were either witnessed in the series or seen as absolute (for instance Amy and Rory's), when we know those characters will very most likely never be seen again. Well, they could in some extreme cases, then they will just be removed.
+So as you probably have guessed by now, I am writing this message to you in order to ask you to re-considerate your decision regarding this category.
+Of course, in the case where you would accept, I would gladly take care of filling this category myself (i have seen all the new series but not the old ones yet, it's only a matter of time).
+I will then await for your decision on this matter,
+With all due respect,
-Okay, both the policy and nomination pages are up and <nowiki>{{inuse}}</nowiki> Thanks for helping--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 17:49, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
+[[User:ThePurpleShadow|ThePurpleShadow]] [[User talk:ThePurpleShadow|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:21, October 27, 2019 (UTC)
-Sounds great. Do you need me to do anything?--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 18:13, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
+== Re:Deceased category ==
-Sorry, that wasn't very clear at all. Definitely a sub page. I never thought of that. On a side note, I'm off to the lakes for a week, so I'm handing all responsibility for this project over to you :) --{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 18:22, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
+Thanks to your message, I now understand your point of view better. There is indeed a lot I didn't take into account when I thought this category was needed on this wiki. I usually visit wikis and recently have been adding/completing deceased categories on others, like Reborn's for example. So when I saw this one I thought it was missing, and it could have been useful. But now I see why this isn't the case, and I am sorry I bothered you for such a matter.
+Anyway, thanks again for taking the time to write me a reply that could enlighten me about this wiki,
-== Chat feature ==
+[[User:ThePurpleShadow|ThePurpleShadow]] [[User talk:ThePurpleShadow|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:15, October 29, 2019 (UTC)
-Thank you. You have been more persuasive than [[User:Skittles the hog]] has ever been. At least ''someone'' gives a reason! :) [[User:BroadcastCorp|BroadcastCorp]] 17:17, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
+== Tardis:User rights nominations ==
+Hi. As you know, since you left a brief comment there, I've started a self-nomination over [[Tardis:User rights nominations]]. I'm not sure how up-to-track you've been keeping yourself around the wiki, but I thought of bringing to your attention that the usual "one week" period for comments has passed, and you might (if you have the time to, of course) weight in if more time's need or something of the sorts. Anyway, thanks in advance. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:36, January 31, 2020 (UTC)
+:Yeah, I saw on your "contributions" section that you still show up once in a while. I'm glad to see this. Also, thanks for closing it. Now into new territory. :) [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:54, February 1, 2020 (UTC)
-== Re:Why create talk pages? ==
+== Left-over vandalism ==
+Hey. Thanks for dealing with the two vandals just now. As per the restrictions in [[Tardis:Vandalism policy]] regarding removal of others' comments may I have your permission to remove all the comments at [[User talk:Borisashton#Singular they]]? Thanks in advance. --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:11, February 5, 2020 (UTC)
+:I'd like to say thanks too and ask the same regarding my own page. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:15, February 5, 2020 (UTC)
+::Thanks. Also, I have no idea how to archive the talk page discussions. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:48, February 5, 2020 (UTC)
-Why not? --[[User:MrThermomanPreacher|MrThermomanPreacher]] 13:18, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
+== Re: Template order ==
-:: Oh, I see. --[[User:MrThermomanPreacher|MrThermomanPreacher]] 13:22, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
+Oh, it makes sense. Since most of these "small, rectangle templates" usually go on top, I'd assumed it was ended up being moved to the bottom of the page during a bot run, and went sort of unnoticed, but now looking at the page history I realize it was there since day one. Will change it back. Thanks for the heads up. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] ([[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|talk]]) 16:15, February 5, 2020 (UTC)
-:::I only did it as I was on the Wanted Pages, and there were dozen and dozen of links to them. So it was easier to just add the talk template and clear out the wanted pages. Also it stops Users from using the template talk page as a way of using general discussion (i.e "I really liked the Daleks in this series"). [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 14:19, August 7, 2011 (UTC)
-==Category:Templates==
-I'm not experiencing the same problem as you reported.  All things directly under [[:category:templates]] are either in the category or template namespaces.  Nothing within the article namespace at all.  Here's a dynamic listing of current contents:
-<dpl>
-category=templates
-columns=4
-order=ascending
-</dpl>
-I don't see anything there that shouldn't be there.  If you saw a ''random'' selection of articles, then it most likely ''was'' a glitch.  Problems resulting from user changes (as opposed to Wikia-based glitches) typically aren't random.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''15:37:36 Sun&nbsp;'''07 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
-:Well, as it turns out, there ''was'' some damage done to {{tl|real world}} last week.  [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] inexplicably blanked the whole "business end" of the template, leaving behind only usage instructions.  I guess that would have meant that every page which carried {{tl|real world}} would have then carried the usage instructions.  This was ''somewhat'' fixed by [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]], but oddly he didn't do just a simple "undo".   He then went to another revision, fixing a problem of his own making, and then [[:User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]] got in on the act the following day.  I've now gone back and simply reverted to the last known good version, since none of the intervening versions added anything useful to the template.
-:Anyway, all this does provide an explanation.  See, when Bob blanked it we were left with this:
+== Just FYI, since you banned them ==
-<pre>
-==Usage==
-{{real world}}
-This should be the first "word" of an article, unless the article has an infobox.  If the article has an infobox, then it should be typed immeidately after the closing curled bracket of the infobox, without spaces or linebraks.  The first word of the article proper should then come immediately afterwords, without line breaks or spaces.  Hence:
-|}{{real world}}The '''article name''' is a thing the Doctor ...
-The reason for the difference with infoboxes is that infobox code interferes with this template, and the closest you can get the template to the top of the page is to put it directly underneath the infobox.
-[[Category:Templates]]</noinclude>
+[[User:Dissident Prodigy]] appears to be a sock puppet [[User:Unbanned reality talk]]. The former was created suspiciously quickly after the latter was banned, the names are vaguely similar, and the former’s only contributions are removing messages insulting the latter from his talk page (including that one message about mentioning logical fallacies by name being ‘reddit-tier arguing’, which, if you look at the history, the latter kept trying to remove - obviously it hit too close to home), as well as a supsicious cryptic comment about the ‘shoe [being] on the other foot’ on Shamabala’s talk page. Probably something you should look into. [[Special:Contributions/82.132.220.11|82.132.220.11]]<sup>[[User talk:82.132.220.11#top|talk to me]]</sup> 13:04, February 6, 2020 (UTC)
-</pre>
-:As you can see, he snipped the opening <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki>, leaving only the closing command behind.  This meant that everything bearing {{tl|real world]] was suddenly put in [[:category:templates]].
-:Two very quick revisions by 23Skidoo almost certainly caused confusion in the cache.  This meant that when you saw the category, the MediaWiki cache was still struggling to catch up with contradictory revisions.  Some of the real world pages were still heading towards the Boblipton revision, while others were speeding towards Skidoo's first revision, and others towards his second.  As a result, there was apparent "random"ness of pages in the category.
+== Thanks ==
+Thank you for putting an end to [[User:120.20.195.104]]'s obstruction of the Wikia. It started on the Series 12 page, which admin Shambala108 had to lock because they continued to undo facts. I replied to Shambala on the talk page to do something and they kept counter-arguing it. Then I took to editing other pages, which they then kept undoing, obstructing work. Then I had to report to Shambala108 about it, which they followed and kept trying to argue again, this time going at me with personal attacks. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:10, February 9, 2020 (UTC)
+:Furthermore they also broke the [[Tardis:Spoiler policy]] by naming spoilers outside the series page, specifically on Shambala's talk page. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:15, February 9, 2020 (UTC)
-:Sadly I still don't know what Boblipton was originally trying to accomplish, since he left no revision note.
+Hopefully, you are right. But I do have my worries that this could continue. And without accusations, I do have slight suspicions that this in itself is a continuation of past actions, as I do remember a user of the past (half a year back or so) who engaged in the same kind of actions with the same motives. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:31, February 9, 2020 (UTC)
-:As for the dynamic category stuff (DPL), no, it's not terribly new.  It's kinda what's behind other somewhat obscure functions like #categorytree.  And it's at the heart of the forum software.  Well, I say "forum software", but really "forums", such as they are, are just a ''very slightly'' specialised usage of DPL.  In fact, because the forum version of DPL has a category limitation which regular DPL doesn't, the [[forum:Panopticon archives|Panopticon archives]] use a mixture of forum and pure DPL coding to get around forum limitations.  I suppose I just got stronger at using it in the wake of redoing and categorising all the forums.
+The user is back at again with these removals of sourced material. Could you please take action before this escalates once again? Thank you. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:37, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
+:You agree it's unsourced? Cheers! Best to lock the page again so Danny doesn't edit-war. [[Special:Contributions/120.20.172.137|120.20.172.137]]<sup>[[User talk:120.20.172.137#top|talk to me]]</sup> 07:40, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
+::YOU edit-war because you won't accept the facts as they are. YOU were blocked for this. Not once, but twice. Tangerineduel was easy on you with a one day block, but Shambala made your block longer for these actions. Why can't you take the hint that you are messing the page up by doing this? --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:45, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
+:::You admitted it's unsourced. You agree with me. Thank you! Why can't you read what you say? [[Special:Contributions/120.20.172.137|120.20.172.137]]<sup>[[User talk:120.20.172.137#top|talk to me]]</sup> 07:47, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
+::::"I think you need reading glasses. I didn't agree. I said you removed SOURCED material. Do you never get tired of going against this Wikia? You'll probably end up getting another block. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:49, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
+:::::How's it sourced? Explain to me where it says it's definitely a Christmas special. Also point me to the part where it says it may be completely wrong. If you can't, then ''I think you need reading glasses''. [[Special:Contributions/120.20.172.137|120.20.172.137]]<sup>[[User talk:120.20.172.137#top|talk to me]]</sup> 07:59, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
+::::::You tried this once before, remember? Without luck. Oh, and you have no respect for the spoiler policy as you again posted a spoiler where they are not allowed. I'm done with arguing this fact that you can't accept. The admins can take it from here. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:10, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
+:::::::Because you won't read the source. Just admit it. You've never opened it. You'll never even ''mention'' the bit where it says the source could be wrong. Copy-paste it. I dare you. Bet you won't. Scared of admitting you're wrong. [[Special:Contributions/120.20.172.137|120.20.172.137]]<sup>[[User talk:120.20.172.137#top|talk to me]]</sup> 08:21, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
+::::::::Read it multiple times, thanks. Still not wrong. Oh, and why would I deliberately break the spoiler policy? --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:29, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
+:::::::::Clearly not. Told you that you won't confirm that I'm right concerning the source. I'm right again? Wow! I'll be back here when it airs before Christmas, just to tell you that I told you so. [[Special:Contributions/120.20.172.137|120.20.172.137]]<sup>[[User talk:120.20.172.137#top|talk to me]]</sup> 08:31, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
+:::::::::The only regrettable thing is that I can't deal with disobedient Wikia-trolls like you myself and I have to pester another poor admin to take care of it because people like you keep coming back for more. Unable to accept things as they are. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:39, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
+::::::::::Unable to accept sources as they are? Hey, that's you! Won't even accept what it says. Can I make my CV, say that I paid for the whole series since 1963 and put in online? That's a reliable source, yeah? You seem to think so! [[Special:Contributions/120.20.172.137|120.20.172.137]]<sup>[[User talk:120.20.172.137#top|talk to me]]</sup> 08:50, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
-:Another point is that it was the original impetus for re-organizing our category tree last year.  You may remember what a mess it was before that.  DPL would have been quite difficult to use in those original conditions.  And, yes, there are still limbs of the category tree which need pruning, but, on the whole, we're finally "DPL-ready" in most categories.  It took me ''forever'', for instance, to straighten [[:category:timeline]], which is why Doug's deletion of most of the structure has been so very disappointing.
+== Re: UCP and nomination ==
+Ah, thank you for getting back to me! Yes, that sounds fair. And I have indeed familiarised myself with the UCP on other Wikis; seemed only sensible.
-:Categories are the heart and soul of a wiki.  Hopefully the next year will really start to show that off.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''16:16:17 Sun&nbsp;'''07 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
+(I don't think it will affect the Wiki ''too'' badly, from what I've seen; the only area where I'm worried is the Forum, depending on how we handle the situation. In fact, the option to fill in image file descriptions ''within'' the source editor of a ''page'', rather than having to go through [[Special:Upload]] ahead of time, even seems like it might help significantly with issues of new users posting images without any licenses or categories.) --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:22, September 20, 2020 (UTC)
-=={{tl|BFA}} (or is it BFAMonthlly?) ==
+:Well… as you'll doubtless have noticed, we ''have'', now, moved to the UCP, for better or for worse. Will you be able to get back to my case? --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:59, September 29, 2020 (UTC)
-It's such an arbitrary question you're asking, if I'm understanding it.  I'd say, though, that you should go strict, rather than broad, on this one. Featuring only those stories which were in the numbered, monthly range makes the template logically unassailable. You start letting specials in and you're on a slippery slope.  Yes, ''[[The Four Doctors]]'' is a bonus to subscribers of the monthly range, but ''[[No Place Like Home]]'' and ''[[Cuddlesome]]'' aren't.  Your navbox is for the ''range'', not the Doctor.  The fact that you've arranged by Doctor doesn't mean that you have to then let in every BF story done with each Doctor.  If it did, you'd have to put in Companion Chronicles and Short Trips and technically some Gallifrey stories.  Your sanity — and readers' comprehension — will be improved by going for purely numbered, monthly releases.  I'd advise, however, that you do include a little note at the bottom of the navbox explaining your position. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''20:36:46 Sun&nbsp;'''07 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
+::Thank you very much! (Speaking of replies — you didn't actually reply to my response to your concerns in <nowiki>==Neutral==</nowiki>; by all means do if there are areas I didn't address/more assurances you feel I should give.) --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:48, September 30, 2020 (UTC)
+:::Point of information, I'm not sure we've finished the move to UCP. There are a variety of changes that come with UCP, the change to the forums is only one of them. I'm not sure that this is relevant, as the others aren't necessarily going to change much on an admin front to ''my'' knowledge, but it is something to bear in mind. (For instance, we still have "Recent Wiki Activity" on my end, which I'm certainly not complaining about, but shouldn't be the case? So I dunno what's going on, but it doesn't seem to be a full transition to UCP. Again, not sure if this is relevant to pausing the admin nom going forward, as the biggest issue there seemed to be the forums from my limited perspective, but it should be pointed out.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:10, September 30, 2020 (UTC)
+::Oh, absolutely! Had you had more to ask I would definitely have posted the answers ''on'' the nomination page.
-{{Please see|Alienation of new and IP users}} [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 20:34, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
+::As regards Najawin's message above, I mean, we had the banner ''announcing'' we had moved. It may be we ''are'' keeping WikiActivity after all as a special favour to one of the Original 100 Wikis? Who knows. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:20, September 30, 2020 (UTC)
-===Genesis of the Daleks and I, Davros date===
+== Admin categories ==
+Since you moved yourself into a new category on [[Tardis:Administrators]], I'm wondering if some of the admins listed in the "Frequently active admins" category should also be moved (or whether it's incumbent on them to move themselves). I know when I was newer a few months ago the category not quite lining up confused me. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:18, October 2, 2020 (UTC)
-[[REF]]: ''[[Doctor Who: The Dalek Handbook]]'' states that the [[Thousand Year War]] began in 450 and ended in 1450.
+== Community Connect ==
-[[User:GusF|GusF]] 14:22, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
+Hey there! Not sure we've spoken much, but I'm Chris - a Wiki Representative at Fandom. Have you heard of an event called Community Connect? It's a Fandom event where news is often revealed about the platform and you get to chat to other admins. It's virtual this year over Zoom or similar but no mic or camera needed. It's 7th + 8th August at 8-12 PT. Is this something you would be interested in attending? I can't guarantee an invite, but I can look into getting one sent to the email associated with your Fandom account --[[User:Spongebob456|Spongebob456]] <sup>[[User talk:Spongebob456|talk]]</sup> <staff/>
-== Doctor Who 63 ==
+== Fandom projects ==
-Please allow me some time to perform an independent audit of [[User:Doctor Who 63]]'s contributions, and I'll get back to you. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''17:22:37 Sat&nbsp;'''13 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
+Hi! Got a couple of things:
-:Okay, I've checked his contributions, and I see why you're frustrated.  However, my inkling is that he's not doing it deliberately.  Please see [[Attack of the Cybermen#DVD release]].  You will see there an incongruous picture of the cover to ''[[The Resurrection of Mars]]''.  I put up this picture, [[:file:Testytesttest.jpg]], using the "add a picture to this gallery button".  You will note that it doesn't have a license.  That's because this button triggers a series of pages — none of which allow for the placement of an image license.  You can't even manually type in a template call anywhere.  It just gets posted directly to the gallery and you never see the page in the file namespace.
-:Looking at this user's contributions, they're ''all'' things in galleries.  My guess is that Doctor Who 63 has ''only'' used this "add to gallery" button to upload pics. Well, almost only — we know that he's uploaded new versions of an image, so he knows what a file: page ''is''.  But still, my money is on the fact that he's not doing anything malicious, and that he's not responding to you because he likely doesn't quite understand what you're talking about.
+As this wiki used to use Special:Forum, Fandom wants to make sure that old forum links and references aren't cluttering up maintenance special pages (unusedfiles, needed pages etc). Would you mind checking and letting me know asap as to whether that's an issue for this wiki? Just looking for dead links to forums in special pages, or links to images used in forums but are now dead, stuff like that. No need to attempt to cleanup yourself, I just need to know if they exist.
-:So that leaves us with a quandry.  It's possible to use a feature of the wiki, in exactly the way Wikia intends it to be, and to fall foul of our own policies.  I think we can safely rule out stern measures against this user.  But we do need to figure out how we're going to close this loophole.  Do we want to try to disable this button altogether?  Do you want to try to keep the feature, but modify it, like we did with the "add a photo" button on the right rail of pages?  Do you want me to look around for a solution, or do you want to handle it?  Let me know how you want to play it, and we'll move forward from there.
+Secondly, did you receive an email sent last week I believe inviting you to The Downstream on September 10th? The email is titled "[The Downstream] Ask Fandom Anything, Social Media Tips, and Data Insights". I just want to confirm you received the email as we know Fandom outreach emails often land in spam.
-:Also, on the question of uploading dissimilar pictures as new versions, well, ya may have come across a bit harsh there by threatening a ban.  After all, the history of the file, if you just looked at the series of images there, isn't very clear as to what is the file's true nature.  It's not the most forthright name, either.  You've helped things by moving it to a different name, but when this user encountered it, it was 1.jpg, and it had three very different images in its history.  He probably didn't know what to make of that, and so thought nothing of adding yet a fourth image to the file history.  Now,I know you were consistent by telling one of the other users who put up a dissimilar image that they shouldn't have done that, but it takes ''research'' to see that even-handedness.  Just going off the immediate evidence, [[:file:1.jpg]] wasn't really about ''anything'' specific.  I'm not sure it's really ''vandalism'', what's gone on with this file, because he did give another DWU image.  It's not like he replaced it with the image of someone's ass or something.
+If you could let me know about both of those things, that would be fantastic. Thanks! --[[User:Spongebob456|Spongebob456]] <sup>[[User talk:Spongebob456|talk]]</sup> <staff/> 09:43, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
-:What we ''really'' should be worried about is banning the use of purely numeric, or "jibberish" alphanumeric, filenames for pics.  That makes it much easier to understand what a picture is ''meant'' to be, and then judging whether the picture is an appropriate representation of that thing.  [[:file:1.jpg]] should only be a pic of the number 1 or, and this is unlikely, the year 1.  An image of Sarah Jane is just as nonsensical as an image of an Andrew Skilleter image of the ''five'' Doctors.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''18:12:15 Sat&nbsp;'''13 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
+== Temporary forums ==
-== Rollback rights ==
+Hey! Hope all is well in your neck of the woods. Since you've been away, a new discussion's been going on, with our continuing need for forums to get things done again. As we've been in a transition period for a while, and [[user:CzechOut]]'s still busy preparing the next stage of evolution, some users have proposed we make space for these necessary conversations.
-[[User:CzechOut]] asked me to contact you about me having rollback rights. Do you think I will be able to? [[User:BroadcastCorp|BroadcastCorp]] <small>([[User talk:BroadcastCorp|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/BroadcastCorp|contribs]])</small> 17:30, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
+Would be good to get another eye on this. Do you think you could have a look? It's over at [[Tardis talk:Temporary forums]]. {{User:SOTO/sig}} 07:01, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
-== Talk:Master refers to it, but doesn't advocate removal of image ==
+== Discussions AbuseFilter ==
-You should tell that to [[User:Skittles the hog]], as that's what he said when he removed the Doctor image. [[User:BroadcastCorp|BroadcastCorp]] <small>([[User talk:BroadcastCorp|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/BroadcastCorp|contribs]])</small> 17:54, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
+Hey! A new feature is available on Discussions - Discussions AbuseFilter (DAF). This is designed to be a tool to help moderation on Discussions, if certain behaviours are being disruptive and making manual moderation difficult:
-:I would contest that [[talk:The Master]] does not specify "[[the Doctor]]" to be in need of attention. In fact, it mentions it to be in the same boat and it clearly is. I assume you reintroduced the image because there isn't currently a discussion about that at [[talk:The Doctor]] and no replacement is available. If this isn't the case, why is it back?--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 18:11, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
+* [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Special:DiscussionsAbuseFilter DAF page (not enabled yet but I can do)]
+* [https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DToast/Introducing_Discussions_AbuseFilter Announcement blog]
+* [https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Discussions_AbuseFilter Help page]
-Well, I think the Doctor image is the only one in need of major attention. Perhaps [[Rassilon]] as well, but Romana is just a two-piece split and that look pretty nice as it is. A similar discussion at [[talk:The Doctor]] would probably do the job.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 15:30, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
+Not compulsory for anyone to use it etc, just letting you know it's here. As a note about forums, I have asked Czech about it and I know he is aware it's still needed. If I can help with anything though, please give me a shout on here or Discord! --[[User:Spongebob456|Spongebob456]] <sup>[[User talk:Spongebob456|talk]]</sup> <staff/> 20:36, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
-:Don't worry, I didn't know either :) --{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 15:39, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
+== Joledex? ==
-== Vandalism policy ==
+Im not really sure because it has been a while back. Maybe because I wasn't sure about the spelling of the name 08:46, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
-I've given [[tardis:vandalism policy]] a major ''structural'' overhaul, but haven't changed that much of the ''substance'' of what it says.  The major excpetion to this is that I've deliberately changed what you said about user talk pages.  In my view, it is actually vandalism to remove what other people have written on "your" talk page, as you have no reasonable expectation of ownership of the page.  Wikia owns the page, and at any point, they can kick '''any''' of us out.  Bigger point, though, is that all discussions on user pages are as public as a forum page.
+== Admin nomination ==
+Hi Tangerineduel, just wanted to ping you to let you know that the admin nomination for [[User:Bongolium500]] at [[Tardis:User rights nominations]] has passed the one week threshold and is ready for conclusion. Hope you've been well! – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 14:15, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
+: Hey — cheers on closing Bongolium's nomination, but just letting you know that his actual user rights don't appear to have been changed yet? <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 13:32, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
+::Ah, makes sense! Thanks. (This is just why we need Bongolium; I'm no good at the coding stuff…) <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 13:43, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
-Let's imagine you'd put the statement, "I'm not in favour of changing [[tardis:manual of style]]" on my user page.  Under the way you had written the vandalism policy, there was nothing to stop me from editing your comments so that they read, "I'm in favour of changing [[tardis:manual of style]]", and thereby ''completely'' changing the meaning of your statement.  Just take a look at any lengthy discussion you have in your talk page archives and imagine the impact of removing one entire comment from that discussion.  It could well change the course of the discussion, or at the very least, the way that a person reading it later might understand that conversation.
+== Re:Admin - Welcome! ==
-So I've definitely, substantively changed that part of the policy. Aside from that, though, I think the current revision maintains the basic sense of your original concept.  Could you take a look at it and advise as to any problems you have with it?  Thanks.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''15:33:07 Tue&nbsp;'''16 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
+Thanks for the welcome! Don't worry about the wait: everyone has their busy moments. I look forward to getting started with some of my new responsibilities! [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:20, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
-:Okay, I've edited according to your notes.  However, I should say that the article ''did'' already note an exception on user talk pages for archiving the page.  Now, though, that's strengthened a bit by including a link to the archiving policy.  Tell me if you see anything else you want changed. Or, y'know, just change it yourself :) {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''16:14:39 Tue&nbsp;'''16 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
-::Nope, a critique's exactly what I wanted.  Just didn't want to imply that you couldn't do the changes on your own :).  Hey, so I've now gone to [[tardis:archiving policy]] and given that one a bit of a spruce up.  I notice there, too, you had the explicit allowance that people could just blank or edit their talk pages as they see fit. Again, I don't think that's right.  So I've brought that language into harmony with my revision of the vandalism policy.  Allowing people to delete or blank their talk pages is a recipe for madness, I think.  Cause if you commit a revision to the wastelands of the page history, you make it an act of positive research to figure out the '''original''' shape of a discussion.  And, y'know, it's no big deal to look at a history if you're talking about a ''recent'' revision.  But if you're trying to figure out whether a person with an active talk page substantively altered a discussion to make it appear that another user swore two weeks ago, that can be quite a chore.  So we've got to make it clearly forbidden to change one's own talk page, to protect the interests and reputations of the people who post on user talk pages.  If I know that a particular user is inclined to change or delete my edits of his talk page, I'm not going to be terribly inclined to post on that page.  We've got to make sure that all users are confident that they can spend their time responding to another user without the danger that the recipient will disrespect the sender.  Otherwise, the whole system of discussion breaks down.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''16:48:30 Tue&nbsp;'''16 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
-:::I don't think any policy says you ''have'' to archive.  [[tardis:Archiving policy|Archiving policy]] currently says that if you want to remove things from your talk page, you can only do so by archiving.  But I don't think it can be reasonably interpreted as saying, "Okay [[user:Doug86|Doug86]] — just to pick a reluctant archiver — the time has come that you MUST now archive your page."
-:::I think it's awfully important to prevent users from selectively destroying a discussion page.  There is ''no'' difference, from a technical standpoint, between a user page and a forum page.  They're both completely public conversations.  The fact that ''most'' people carry out conversations across multiple user talk pages, means that third parties wishing to trace a conversation '''already''' have to do some detective work.  In order to follow this conversation, people would have to go to my page as well as this one, and check the timestamps to make sure they're following it all sequentially.  If we say to people, "Do what you want, it's ''your'' page.  Delete or blank it as you see fit because it's all in the history", then you're just handing people the ability to distort, change or obscure facts at will.  They could take out one comment, one word or a whole page — all of which would be equally devastating to understanding what's ''actually'' gone down on a user talk page.
+== Temporary Forums Are Live! ==
+Hello!
-:::Here are just a few situations that would be complicated by having no ban on talk page deletion/editing:
+Just wanted to notify you that, [[User:CzechOut]]'s final deadline of "by New Year's Day" having passed, and following in-depth discussion between myself and fellow admins [[User:SOTO]], [[User:OncomingStorm12th]] and [[User:Bongolium500]], we have decided to '''activate [[Tardis:Temporary forums]]''', come what may. A [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice|sitenotice]] has been set to inform the community of this development, and I am taking it upon myself to personally update [[Tardis:Administrators|our Administrators]] on the situation, as well as yourself.
-:::*It would be completely allowable to edit my statements on an issue so as to support the completely opposing view.  You could then direct other people to "my" comments on your page, and, by the time I'd figured out what had happened, ''your alteration of "my" opinion'' would have become entrenched in other users' minds, and I would have a devil of a time convincing them otherwise.  In other words, character assassination would be made simple.
-:::*A user offends, say, [[tardis:image use policy]].  You give them a warning on their talk page, but they think it makes them "look bad", so they remove it.  They then commit the same offence again, but I notice it this time.  So I go to their user page and, seeing no record of a previous offence, I give them another warning.  They sweep it under the carpet again, and then [[user:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]] finds them in violation for a third time, but ''he'' finds a blank page.  So the editor gets away with it ''again''. I don't know about you, but I don't check a user talk page ''history'' before I begin posting on it. I look at what's there and expect it to be the sum of what's gone on with them.  If we're to enforce the rules fairly, we need to ensure that we have a clear, obvious record of user warnings — not stuff buried in a hitory.  Users want, and largely deserve, warnings before we block them.  What's the point of saying in various policies that we will ''try'' to warn them if we allow them to just delete the warnings?  The onus should '''not''' be on us to investigate a page history to see if we're taking the appropriate response to a rules violation.
-:::*Let's say that I was talking to [[user:Ausir|Ausir]] about editing some ''Torchwood''-related thing.  And we went a few rounds on it, but then figured out that maybe we should open up a forum discussion on it to get more opinions.  When we do this, we say, "Hey check out our discussions on our talk page" for an understanding of the background of this argument.  The conversation goes cold, until a year from now when someone searches the forum for the topic, finds a thread, and tries to piece it all together.  They go back to the links on our talk pages and . . . Ausir has now '''blanked''' his page.  It's not there in an archive; it's only in the hisotry.  But a ''year'' has passed.  It's an awful lot of history, and as is typical on talk pages, there's not a revision note in sight in the history.  At this point, the investigating editor stops, cause it's frustrating.  All he has is the half of the conversation on my page, and the promise of possibly finding the rest of it, if he decides he can be bothered to look through Ausir's history.   In other words, blanking a page only ''technically'' preserves a conversation in the history.  For all practical purposes, it '''buries''' the conversation beyond the reach of most people's wiki-searching abilities.
-:::Those are just three examples, but I think each one of them is reason enough to directly prohibit the alteration of user talk pages.  Look, most people aren't going to need this rule.  Most people are simply too lazy with their talk pages to ''bother'' altering it.  But we need a clear prohibition in policy so that we have something we can use when get a clear case of "page tampering" — just as I had yesterday with [[user:BroadcastCorp|BroadcastCorp]], who has taken to removing whole conversations from both my and his talk pages, and as has happened with [[Special:Contributions/90.215.45.50]], whose subtle edits to a user talk page (maybe yours?) made it appear that I was signing my name to something I never wrote.
+As the name implies, we hope the Temporary Forums will remain — well — temporary. Any work on reactivating proper DPL Forums will still be welcome and appreciated; this system is a further fine-tuning of the setup Bongolium500 had proposed in December 2021, which it means is designed from the ground up to be '''easy to transfer into the actual DPL Forums''' if we should get those back in the near future after all.
-:::It's interesting that you point out [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Editing comments|]], because I think that policy is essentially what I'm saying.  It says clearly:
+But it has been ''multiple years'' since the Wiki has had a venue for changing policy and forming community consensus on important matters. Bongolium500 and SOTO put forward the first draft of the Temporary Forums a full ''year'' ago — and were convinced to retract it by a promise that the real Forums would come ‘very soon’; and here we are. I don't think anyone's at fault; I do think everyone has the Wiki's best interests at heart. But the time has come to realise that the overly-optimistic strategy of endlessly putting off an imperfect temporary solution in pursuit of a perfect one "soon" has failed, resoundingly. It is time for a different approach. The Tardis community are ''owed'' a different approach. If you ''have'' active DPL Forums to give us, we will take them gladly. But we cannot sacrifice one more promising alternative to a nebulous future possibility which has already proven more difficult to achieve that you'd expected several times over. It is our hope that you can understand respect our decision in this matter.
-::::The basic rule — with some exceptions outlined below — is that you ''should not'' edit or delete the comments of other editors without their permission.
+We [[four surviving elementals|four elementals]] behind the Temporary Forums would like to reassure the rest of the admin team that this necessary step '''is not intended to create more work for them unbidden'''. Four are, if it comes to that, plenty enough to keep the peace a Forum with no more than six threads running at a time; we would be thrilled to see the rest of the team embracing the Temporary Forums, but please don't feel any ''obligation'' to do so.
-::::''Never'' edit or move someone's comment to change its meaning, ''even on your own talk page''.
+Happy New Year, happy editing — and happy contribution to the New Forums!
-:::Now, I know that one of the "exceptions outlined below" is the user talk page, and it does say that "deletion of others' comments on your talk page is permitted".  But to me, that's not a reasonable exception, but an '''irreconcilable''' contradiction with the main rule.  Deletion of a comment, especially of a ''portion'' of a comment — which this exception would allow – fundamentally changes the meaning of of someone's comment.  Even if you ''do'' delete the whole comment, you're changing the meaning of the conversation ''as a whole'', because all that remains is the half the conversation that remains on the other correspondent's talk page.  I just don't see how this exemption could, in practice, work.  So I do strongly disagree with this stated exception to wikipedia policy, and would prefer that the "basic rule" for ''all'' talk pages simply apply to ''user'' talk pages.
+<span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 11:03, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
-:::There's just no good rationale for user talk pages to fall under a different rule set than other talk pages. A talk page is a talk page is a talk page.
+== Bot ==
-:::As for the archive tool itself, yes, that's open to general use.  The reason you're not seeing it at [[w:c:harrypotter]] is simply cause they've not installed it in their javascript. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''15:15:23 Wed&nbsp;'''17 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
-::::Oh, and I should point out, too, that Wikipedia doesn't have ArchiveTool, or anything like it, as a ''standard'' feature of the average user's site experience.  (You can add it, but I'd wager the majority of people don't.)  Given how '''easy''' it is to archive on our site — seriously, it's five seconds outta your life — there is no reason we can't demand removal of comments ''only'' by archiving.  Seriously, you can archive a page here faster than you can type out a link to [[Raxacoricofallapatorius]], so why ''not'' require it?  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''15:27:39 Wed&nbsp;'''17 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
+Hi, I was wondering if you knew what the process was for an admin to obtain a bot? [[T:HOW BOT]] seems geared towards non-admins. I have experience with programming and would like to use a bot to automate certain tasks. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:51, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
+: I'm familiar with the technical process of bot creation. However, all a bot really is is a second account with the bot user group which can only be granted by a bureaucrat so I was wondering what the procedure to obtain this is, if there is a procedure, or if I should just create the account and point it your way for you to add the admin and ot user groups. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:16, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
+:: Thanks. I've created [[User:Botgo50]]. If you could assign it the "administrator" and "bot" user groups, that would be great. This is less important to me, but, while you're at it, would you be able to assign my main account "administrator (Semantic MediaWiki)"? I think I'm the only person using [[T:SMW|SMW]] at the moment and this group would be useful. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
-::Well, it's certainly not just BroadcastCorp's shenanigans that are triggering this. Indeed, I'd point out that while we might be discussing what you can do to your ''own'' talk page, there's absolutely no question that BC's tampering with ''my'' page was unambiguously wrong.  But as I say, he's just one in a train of incidents,. The little war that earlier this year went on between Mini-mitch and Bold Cone was damnably difficult for an objective third party to follow.  Both of them have this stated "thing" on their page that warns that rude comments will be removed, and they were both considering the other's comments rude.  If, in your administrative capacity, you're trying to figure out if someone's crossing the "no personal attack" line in such an environment, it can be awfully difficult, because they're both just zapping the other's comments.
+== Heads up about the thanks extension ==
-Also, in making rewrites to the manual of style based on archiving forum threads, I've been on more than a few talk pages trying to track down the origins of certain discussions, in an effort to represent ''those'' precedent discussions in the policy as well — only to be severely frustrated by the number of dead ends I hit.  And, yes, I know you blank your page from time to time as I've gone to look for things I remembered being there only to find that they're not there, or in your archives, any more.
+Hi. I just wanted to give you a heads up that Tardis is testing the "thanks" extension which Fandom will be rolling out to all wikis soon. This extension allows editors to thank other editors for their edits. The editor being thanked will then recieve a notification. Therefore, while you're actively performing edits, you may receieve a few more notifications than normal. If you notice any bugs, pass them onto [[User:Spongebob456]]. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:59, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
-::Now, of course, I understand why all that has happened '''''in the past'''''.  After all, archiving has been a bit of a mystery up to now.  A lot of users don't know anything about subpages, so they didn't know how else to "wipe the slate clean".  But with it made ''so'' easy, I just don't see   a legitimate reason ''not'' to do it. '''There is no difference in the number of clicks needed to archive, versus those needed to blank.  And both functions are started from the same drop-down menu.'''
+== Re: Tardis Data Core change to Tardis Wiki ==
+Did we actually decide to officially change the name? If so, I can run through the Tardis namespace with my bot and get things updated. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:44, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
-::As for a disconnect that might be caused by two users archiving at different times, sure, that will almost certainly happen.  But it's still ''much'' easier to click a few times through an archive than it is to unearth a point buried ''deep'' in a revision history — especially given that almost no one leaves revision notes for their own talk page.
+: For what it's worth it's not ''my'' understanding that "Tardis Data Core" is obsolete. We were, and remain, "the Tardis Data Core Wiki" in full; our old logo abridged this to ''Tardis Data Core'', the new one abridges it to ''Tardis Wiki''. That's my read. But if mileages on this vary too heavily (it seems concerning that out of us three no one is actually ''sure''), we may need a thread to try and gauge what the community actually wants before we do anything drastic either way. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 15:59, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
-::I just can't get away from the fact that we need to preserve discussions.  I know that you were just playing devil's advocate in your last post, but I would genuinely like to know how you respond to the three cases I outlined last time.
+:: I actually thought our full name was "Tardis Data Core, the Doctor Who Wiki". [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
-::#Shouldn't it be '''obvious''' when someone has been cautioned?  Do we as admin have an added burden of responsibility to search through a user talk page history just to see if they've been warned about something before, but are now hiding that earlier warning?
-;;#How do we protect an editor from having his meaning changed on another user talk page '''except''' by banning the editing or blanking of a talk page?
-::#How do we help editors researching a topic from having to dig through a revision history, '''unless''' we say, "You ''must'' archive if you want to clear your page"?
-::Again, I know you're playing devil's advocate, so you may personally be in agreement with me, but just to run through this whole "your user page isn't yours" thing, well, it's wikia policy.  If you look at [[w:c:community:project:Central user pages]], you see that Wikia basically defers to [[wikipedia:wikipedia:user pages]], which makes very clear:
+::: I agree that a forum thread is a good idea. Does anyone particuarly want to start it? If not, I'm happy to do so within a few days. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
-:::Note: "Your" in this context means associated with you, not belonging to you
-::I can appreciate that the word "steward" may need a rethink.  But it's a long-held philosophy of wiki editing that a user page isn't owned by the user.  This is the concept which allows for them to be regulated at all.  (it's also the reason you don't want to use your user page for creative expression, because a user page is governed by the same license as other pages; i.e. you give up copyright by writing your original story on your user page.)  So maybe "steward" isn't a great word, but the concept of non-ownership ''is'' definitely there, as is made even more explicit by [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:UP#OWN]]. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''15:28:08 Thu&nbsp;'''18 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
-== More on featured articles ==
+:: Ah, excellent! [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 10:45, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
-A couple of weeks ago, Czech suggested that the admins come together and select the five (including August) featured articles taking us up to Jan 2012. The idea behind this is that it allows for time in which the nomination process I suggested can be carried out to a high degree of quality (or, till it's good). Thoughts?--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 15:29, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
+::: Great! [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:48, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
-Could go with suggesting a few and then culling, that sounds like the best method. How about [[Tardis_talk:Feature_Article_nominations]] for the discussion?--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 15:39, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
+== Can you give admin to my bot? ==
-Done. It's on the talk page.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 15:54, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
+Hi, I've been running [[User:Botgo50]] relatively succesfully for a while now but it'd be really helpful if it could be given admin, mostly so that it can edit protected pages. Would you be able to do that next time you're arround? Thanks. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:02, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
-== New user masthead: founder? ==
+== Re: Bot admin request ==
-You may have noticed that the new user masthead gives admin, staff and blocked users a flag. It doesn't differentiate between bureaucrats and admin, by deliberate Wikia choice.  However, it ''does'' identify the "founder" of the wiki from all other admin.  And here there's a real oddity.  It's calling [[user:Mantrid|Mantrid]] the founder, rather than [[user:Freethinker1of1|Freethinker1of1]].  This doesn't make much sense to me because a) Freethinker certainly seems to think he's the guy who started it on his profile page and b) Freethinker has an earlier join date than Mantrid.  So I've sent in a tech support question to Wikia to see if they can explain this minor anomaly. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''17:00:37 Fri&nbsp;'''19 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
+Thank you very much! [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:54, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
-:So Wikia have responded and they say that Mantrid was indeed the founder, on 11 November 2004 but he didn't make an edit for about five months.  Freethinker appears to have an earlier join date because he edited before Mantrid.  Sp. what this means is that "date joined" on a user masthead actually means "date of first edit".  Still seems strange to me that Mantrid would have founded the wiki but not done even a single edit for five months.  I've changed the start date of the wiki on the front page to reflect this new, earlier-than-expected date of 11 Nov 2004.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''04:39:44 Sat&nbsp;'''20 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
-== Knock-on effects of new user masthead.  You'll love this one. ==
+== Admin+ ==
-Okay, so right in the middle of our discussion about how incredibly easy it is to archive a user talk page — Wikia pulled the rug out from under that point.  Somehow the new user masthead has screwed with the dropdown available on user talk pages, and all our custom options, including "archive" are gone.  This issue doesn't affect any other "talk" namespace.  It's probably something simple, like they called the button a different name or something.  But for the moment, archiving is down on user talk pages.  Poetic justice, really.  I think I can fix it on my own, but just in case, I've put out a feeler to the developer of ArchiveTool. Worst case scenario: it'll be down until mid-September when he returns from vacation. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''17:20:11 Fri&nbsp;'''19 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
+Hey there! I’m reaching out to introduce the Admin+ program (if you haven’t heard about it already!) & let you know I’m here if you have any questions about it. Take a look at the details [https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Admin_Plus here] & feel free to send over any questions you have. <span style="font-family: Rubik; border-radius:8em; padding:0 5px; background:#d58494">[[User:Pikushi|<span style="color:#f1f5ff">pikushi ✧.*</span>]] </span>  <staff /> 20:25, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
-::Well, no, ArchiveTool has been around for almost 3 years now, and is supported on Wikia's official development wiki ([[W:c:dev]]).  It's been resilient through several modifications of the base wikia code.  There's nothing terribly "sensitive" about the code that argues against relying on it — except for that really random bug in the core MediaWiki software that prevented me and a handful of other users from using it without a workaround.  Which reminds me, I suppose I should eliminate the possibility that it's a problem with the workaround that only I'm using.  So, is archive tool there for you or not? {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''17:46:54 Fri&nbsp;'''19 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
-== Safari and the site ==
+== Request for help ==
-To the extent that you use Safari to browse the site, do you ever notice that the site, in the Wikia skin, creates random blank pages? And no matter how many times you refresh, you keep getting a blank page?  This happens to me a lot, in Safari, especially when I'm reloading a page that's been directed to a particular section.  What this effectively means is that when I finish editing a section, the page will be unable to load successfully because it's trying to load an address that points to the section I just edited. I never have this in other browsers, nor in Wikia on other wikis, so it's something in the code.  But nobody seems to be complaining about it, so I dunno if it's just something affecting my older version of Safari, or what.  So if you're getting any odd behavior from Safari, please advise. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''21:34:08 Sat&nbsp;'''20 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
+Hi! I was wondering if I could get you to look into [[User talk:Shambala108#Something you might want to look into|this issue]]. For various reasons (which I would be glad to tell you if you wish), I don't feel I am the right person to address this, and I definitely don't think any of the newer admins could help. I feel like this situation is starting to remind me of [[Forum:What about Bob?|something from long ago]]. Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
-==User image policy update==
-When you can, cast your eye over latest revision of [[tardis:user image policy]].  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''21:34:08 Sat&nbsp;'''20 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
-== Avatars ==
+== re:Recent edits ==
-In the unlikely event that someone should be confused about what's happened to user avatars because of this latest user page fix, you may now direct them to [[Help:Avatars]]. I think most people can probably get it without help, but there are some details there about file format and size that may interest people.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''23:07:09 Sat&nbsp;'''20 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
+I think I get what you're saying, but I wanted to ask for some clarification. I was always told it is best to leave a reason behind reversions in the edit summaries, but I think your saying to only do so for a limited number of times before taking things to a talk page? [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
-{{Please see|A second look at wiki achivements}} {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''16:57:30 Mon&nbsp;'''22 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
-== The Gallery and the licences.  ==
+== Since you're on ==
-With the small problem we had of Users upload images via the Gallery, which meant no licenses were add to the image, [[User:CzechOut]] and I have decide to contact wikia about it.
+Can you block 119.111.220.93‎? It's some random user that will do a ton of vandalism, get blocked, and then come back under a new IP a few weeks later. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:13, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
-We decide it was best to ask if we could have the license drop down menu added to the "add a photo" window that pops up by pressing that button on the Gallery.
+== RE: Wild Blue Yonder Numbers ==
-This is just to inform you of what we are doing in regards to this problem. [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 22:32, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
+Hi there! Hope you are well. Per your response on my talk page, I wanted to check this. So does that mean it is best I leave those pages alone then and leave you and the order admins to sort out the whole merging thing? Looking forward to your reply. [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 11:22, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
-== Acheivements ==
+== Re. Financial crisis of 2007 ==
+While I'm not an expert on the topic, it seems to me that the credit crunch was one of the events that followed the financial crisis of 2007; the 2008 credit crunch wasn't the "main" incident. Although "credit crunch of 2008" is stated in dialogue while "financial crisis of 2007" isn't (to the best of my knowledge) it seems misleading to name the page "credit crunch of 2008".
-Achievements began within an hour of the BBC One broadcast of ''[[Let's Kill Hitler]]'', so as to catch any new people who might have wanted to edit with us in the wake of the new episode.  The basic infrastructure was all laid down today, but there are a number of editing tracks which I've prepared at [[c:tardistest]] which still have to be brought over here.  As an admin at tardistest, you would of course be privy to those plans, should you desire to see them before implementation. [[Help:Achievements]] and [[Tardis:Achievements policy]] have been put in place, but we probably still need some sort of mechanism like [[Tardis:Quote of the Week nominations]], for people who wish to suggest an awards group.
+It'd be like if [[D-Day]] was named in the DWU but [[World War II]] wasn't; it'd be incorrect to name the larger conflict "D-Day", even though in this hypothetical situation that name isn't conjectural while the name of the larger conflict would be.
-If you wish to check out the latest standings and the general level of activity alredy generated, you may click [[Special:Leaderboard]]. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''02:01:38 Sun&nbsp;'''28 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
+But then, there easily could be a story that uses the name "financial crisis of 2007" somewhere, which maychave not been documented on the Wiki yet. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 13:53, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
-== Achievements. part two (because I'm too lazy to put this under the old section heading) ==
+== RE: Prop delete query ==
-Glad you like the direction things are going.  I'm sure that as we go on a part of your fears expressed on the forums will be justified, however.  Don't forget, '''I''' wasn't that big on the idea until [[user:Ausir|Ausir]], another reluctant adopter, said that they'd really helped on [[c:fallout]].  It's completely obvious to me that some people will always try to game the system.  I had a blatant case just today.  But I think if we just hold our fire and gently point them in the direction of the [[Tardis:achievements policy|achievements policy]], this won't have more abuse than any other feature of the wiki.
+Hey! Sorry I missed your message; I still haven't adapted to talk page notifications being moved to the bell. It's been great seeing you around more recently, by the way.
-I'm already noticing an unexpected side benefit to the feature, in that the Leaderboard effectively gives you a snapshot of the people who are editing in the main article space.  Edits elsewhere don't generally count for the game — I for instance have only 5 edits in the game, despite having well over 100 edits today, because I've been editing in Special, Help and Project namespaces most of the day.   But it's very useful to see what people are doing on the site in an easy, graphical way.  Just judging from the range of people who got the entry level edit awards, it does look like we had a bigger range of people editing today than on any other day of the week.  This is altogether natural, of course, since a new ep of DW went out today.  But it's still cool to actually ''see'' it without having to go to [[Special:wikistats]].
+At time of writing, the only of my user subpages not related to the Forum Archive is the ''Five Doctors'' home media sandbox page, from a project it was ultimately decided in the forums not to proceed with anymore. (Shambala actually added that tag, not me, but I've been holding onto it in case there happens to be a revival in the [[F:CLOISTERS|New Forums]].)
-aS for what the name of the thing is, I '''totally''' wish we could brand it on our own.  Is there any more ''perfect'' name than "The Game of Rassilon"?  As it is we're stuck with what Wikia call it.  I think the actual, formal name is '''just''' ''Achievements''.  I've thrown in the "Wikia" just to sort of emphasise that it's a game ultimately run by Wikia itself.  We can skin it here at Tardis, but we can't really alter much about the rules, the points, or much of anything else about its core functionality.  So I just threw in Wikia to absolve us partially of things that go wrong with it.  It's such an awkward name though.  I hate singular objects which are in the plural.  I guess the deal is that they've not actually named the game so much as the prizes.  Very weird.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''07:26:00 Sun&nbsp;'''28 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
+The Forum Archive has been on pause for a while due to a number of personal circumstances, and now it's a little stuck until I have access to a personal computer again, unfortunately. Those message-level pages (each message needs its own subpage due to the method of archiving, which meant organising large masses of files by adapting a spreadsheet made from an unrelated output) tagged were found to be spam posts, so the next step will be properly removing them from the final archive subpages before launch.
-== DWM categories ==
+I should be able to complete those pre-launch steps from a library computer, come to think of it, so I hope to have time for that soon. I do appreciate your reminder!{{User:SOTO/sig}} 05:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
-Seeing as you organised many issue of ''[[Doctor Who Magazine]]'' by year, do you think it would be a good idea to categorise them in the same way? For example, there would be a category for  "1980 DWM Issues". At the moment they're all in together at [[:Category:DWM issues]], so a new system would be beneficial in dividing them up. Thoughts?--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 08:02, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
+== Deletions ==
-:This fairly radical and major innovation to categories really didn't get the kind of discussion and thought it deserved.   And I don't think Skittles really explained to you what he was going to do.  He didn't just add a cat like [[:category 1980 DWM issues]].  He actively removed the [[:category:DWM issues]].  This "broke" the Achievements editing track.  It should also be pointed out that there were several utilities to having all the issues in one category, beyond Achievements. It makes bot runs faster, and it makes the entire list of issues accessible to DPL coding.
-:I don't particularly see the uutility of by-year categories for issues of publications, especially since we don't do this for any other kind of publication.  But, Skittles really seemed to want it. So I've done a deal with him.
+Two pages I added and edited were deleted.
+Kiviniss Ak
+And Rom Kor-Marisi
+Were two character editions direct from author
+Simon Guerrier
+As listed in the credits.
+Did I add them incorrectly?
+Thank you {{Unsigned|BrentSmith66}}
-:First, I've put all the issues back into [[:category:DWM issues]] so that the Achievements track will work. Out of fairness to our editors, it'll look pretty bad that Skittles and Revan got the awards in the category by . . . ensuring that no one '''else''' could win the awards. Day 2 of this game cannot be seen as "the day when a couple of admins totally cheated the game". Besides, of the two goals — categorising by year and getting people to edit DWM issue pages — it's pretty clear which one is more '''vital'''.
+== Welcome ==
-:Second, he has assured me that he's committed to overseeing the pr:oject to do this  "by publication or media, by year" category structure across all ranges, so that it's at least consistent.  Towards that end, he's announced the opening of the project at [[Forum:New paradigm for categorising publications and stories]].  This new categorisation scheme '''must not''' interfere with the categories that are already present, but it can add another layer on top of what's there.
+Well it's certainly great to have you! I'm glad you made it. I ''do'' seem to remember rumblings way back when in my own early days.
-:Obviously, you couldn't have known he was going to delete [[:category:DWM issues]] from pages.  That possibility wasn't proposed in his statement to you.  But with achievements now enabled, with the bot often running around the clock, and with the growing use of DPL, it's important to carefully consider the possible knock-on effects of major pruning of branches of the category tree. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''05:32:27 Tue&nbsp;'''30 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
+I can't imagine it ''would'' be fun sticking around with most of our support forked over here. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't sad to leave it behind, as exciting as all these new opportunities are to build the wiki the way we want it!
-== Update ==
+I'm going to make a concerted effort soon to import missed changes from the 5 or so days we missed during final preparations, by the way. If there's anything in particular you want me to bring over from before you got here, so you don't feel you have to re-do edits, do let me know!
-Hi remember when I told you about how I got ripped off with bootleg Doctor Who DVDS?
+(Incidentally, I've [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Interwiki_map#Tardis_Wiki put in a request over at Wikimedia] for them to add us to their inter-wikis. Might take a while before that's approved, but I thought it might be of interest, since that seems to be closer to your neck of the woods than mine.)
-You agreed they probably were.
+EDIT: Importing means preserving the edit history, which is generally preferable, but there's also nothing wrong with bringing things back up to date yourself. Especially given they're ''our own edits''.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 05:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
+: Ah, one other thing. As bureaucrats, on the independent wiki we now have access to [[Special:RenameUser]]. It really does what it says on the tin. Users might approach you with [[Help:Changing your username|user rename requests]] now.
-Well, I uploaded a photo of one of the DVD's... you have to see this.
+: So long as there's nothing against the name in [[Tardis:Username policy]], and the username doesn't already have any registered edits on Tardis, I see no reason not to fulfil them. I have been recommending that users place their old name somewhere visible on their user pages, though, for the avoidance of confusion.
-It's so pathetic it's just ridiculous.
+: (I've only done one so far. It never once occurred to me before this would be something I'd be doing.){{User:SOTO/sig}} 05:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
-http://dartpaw86.deviantart.com/#/d48h1qj
+=== Renaming users ===
+:: That is a really good point regarding the potential for abuse. I had only really considered allowing requests from long-term trusted users.
-[[User:Moogleknight24|Moogleknight24]] 01:34, September 1, 2011 (UTC)Moogleknight24
+:: We'll need something in place to prevent user rename requests from being fulfilled that would too closely resemble other well-known users, for one thing... which can be hard to scale when the once-active user they might be confused for is long-gone. (Maybe checking against [[Special:ListUsers]], ordered by edit count, up to a certain point, should be procedure, in case.)
-Thanks... [[User:I am rufus|I am rufus]] 16:53, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
+:: We'll definitely need to lay out clearer policy. Watching out for signs of sockpuppet abuse is another, definitely. I think the first thing I'd lay out is a minimum threshold of time or number of edits with us in order to make the request. Maybe it should be on a public page, like a smaller-scale [[Tardis:User rights nominations]].
+:: A user requesting a name change would have to fill out a template where they confirm they meet the requirements. Maybe we'd allow very small scale changes to the name '''exactly once''' even soon after account creation, in the case of typos and such, but then require that they stick with us first.
+:: The one thing I'd like to avoid is blindly approving any request from a user we don't really know. I think we can make it work, though!
-Sorry, I changed my mind and deleted it. Sorry for wasting your time.
+:: (P.S. I brought in [[Tardis:User talk pages]].){{User:SOTO/sig}} 06:42, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
-[[User:Moogleknight24|Moogleknight24]] 23:51, September 2, 2011 (UTC)Moogleknight24
+::: It's looking good so far! Do I have your permission to make small changes while it's still in your sandbox?
-== Chat ban ==
+::: It might also be good to quickly say that Tardis bureaucrats reserve the right to adjust the minimum number of edits (agreed, amount of time would be a bad idea) as new request data comes in. Please continue editing with us if you haven't met the mark yet! (Making sure to keep to good-faith edits. We probably need to introduce a variant on the GOR rules for hitting edit requirements.)
-[[User:CzechOut]] was very hostile towards me and kicked me of chatting. This is unfair. I simply forgot about the whole "not talking about it" scenario. He said he would block me if I complain. That is bad. Why? It's like arresting a protestor. Please sort this out. He acted very cold and bitter, and I had the impression he didn't like me. And that's true. He hates me. He doesn't want me anywhere near him. What's your assessment, TD, are you more sympathetic? [[User:BroadcastCorp|BroadcastCorp]] <small>([[User talk:BroadcastCorp|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/BroadcastCorp|contribs]])</small> 17:07, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
+::: Also, if we are formally suggesting that new-ish users make new accounts (instead of granting one minor rename request in the first week, which ''does'' count in using up their 12 months), we'll have to make clear that they need to declare their old account per [[T:SOCK]], unless they didn't make any edits with us.
-He was very scary and intimidating. The chat ban for a week. Are you sure? But how do you know he doesn't doesn't like me? [[User:BroadcastCorp|BroadcastCorp]] <small>([[User talk:BroadcastCorp|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/BroadcastCorp|contribs]])</small> 17:32, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
+::: Agreed on requirement to declare your old account for 6 months minimum. There should also be something, perhaps a separate page like [[Help:My rename request was rejected]], which makes clear that repeated attempts to log for already-rejected names (or still too similar to them, or during a period when you have no "token") will result in a warning and then a temporarybban. If you've already been rejected, and you're not sure, ask a bureaucrat clarifying questions before submitting a request.
-I don't want to be chat-banned. I just won't use it. But I never swore at him, I never hurt him, In never abused him in anyway. And he treats me like I've done that. Why? [[User:BroadcastCorp|BroadcastCorp]] <small>([[User talk:BroadcastCorp|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/BroadcastCorp|contribs]])</small> 17:39, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
+::: [[User:Bongolium500|Bongo]] can probably make us a form with the required inputs, so it automatically creates a new section with syntax for user stats, once we get <code><nowiki>{{#editcount:USER}}</nowiki></code> up and running (and a link to a DPL page I can work on building for help finding similar usernames). But it might be worth manually checking.
-Yes, but I didn't know I'd be a member of a little gorup called BannedFromChat. It's bad for my image. I just won't use the service. Un chat ban me, and I won't use it. But anyway, it's like arresting a personal who protest. It's a free country, we complain if we need to. [[User:BroadcastCorp|BroadcastCorp]] <small>([[User talk:BroadcastCorp|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/BroadcastCorp|contribs]])</small> 17:45, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
+::: Officially halting all user rename requests until we have this all set up and worked out.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 06:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
-I am. How am I not. Although I would like to recieve an apology from CzechOut, he really offended me. [[User:BroadcastCorp|BroadcastCorp]] <small>([[User talk:BroadcastCorp|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/BroadcastCorp|contribs]])</small> 17:50, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
+:::: (I do also wonder if we should decide what to do in cases where new users have given themselves policy-breaking names like "Tardis admin" or some hate speech. Should we, by course, rename the user to "Permablock--638528", ie. some random string of 6 digits (wouldn't want anyone to see it as a leaderboard, in sequence), in order to remove that vandalism/bothersome claim, after blocking?)
-But he offended me! He hurt my feelings! [[User:BroadcastCorp|BroadcastCorp]] <small>([[User talk:BroadcastCorp|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/BroadcastCorp|contribs]])</small> 17:55, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
+:::: (It seems to me that would be a good idea.){{User:SOTO/sig}} 06:53, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
-He was not calm. I am ''not'' a liar. He was very intimidating. [[User:BroadcastCorp|BroadcastCorp]] <small>([[User talk:BroadcastCorp|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/BroadcastCorp|contribs]])</small> 18:05, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
+Thanks! I've gone ahead and made a few relatively minor changes to [[Tardis:User rename policy]], and I've streamlined the request page to make things easier. I also added in the total number of requests a user has made in the section heading (needs to be manually changed from #1 for further requests).
-== Rollback and inactive sysops revisted ==
+I'm pretty happy with both pages, personally. I've also updated [[Help:Changing your username]] now.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 08:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
-You said earlier that you'd be happy with keeping [[user:Solar Dragon]] and [[user:The Thirteenth Doctor]] at rollback, but not adding any more in the future.  I got to thinking about that, and decided that SD's rights really had to be stripped.  He's not really monitoring his account much anymore, Wikia wide, so it's a bit of a security risk to have him account with additional rights enabled.  So I stripped him of rollback rights.
+=== Checkuser checks and balances ===
+: On a separate but related note, we also have the ability to grant users (read: ourselves) the <code>checkuser</code> role, which is even more serious.
-Frankly, I'd like to do so with 13D, simply because we've decided to eliminate that position from our own hierarchy.  However, as you made a specific invitation to him, and he's edited as late as today, I've got no security concerns about him.  So I'll let you make the determination about whether to keep this one straggling rollback-only person here.
+: Bongo suggested — and I agree — that for complete transparency, only when it's absolutely necessary to check for suspected socks, we will '''''temporarily''''' assign that role, perform the check, and then remove it again. Logs of any checkuser scan are also provided to the public, including an admin summary.
-I think we should also consider, for security purposes only, whether it might be wise to at least '''block''' admin who haven't edited or even logged in more than a year.  Again this a purely protective move, and is no way meant to suggest disrespect for our emiritus staff. Blocking them would prevent the misuse of accounts long disused.  And I'm talking the the mildest form of blocking, too — the one in which we check none of the boxes. So they could still create another account or talk to us or in some way alert us that they've come back.
+: I strongly suggest we hold off on this for as long as possible, as we get settled in and update our policies. We need to think deeply about oversight and transparency, now that [[T:LOCAL WINS|local policy really ''does'' prevail]].
-The people I'm thinking of are:
+: If you'd find it helpful, I can also invite you to a space where such things can be discussed with our sysadmins, who laid out our [[Tardis:Privacy policy|Privacy policy]] and [[Tardis:General disclaimer|General disclaimer]].{{User:SOTO/sig}} 06:31, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
-*[[User:***Stardizzy***]] (As I recall discussion from a couple of years ago, Stardizzy scrambled his own password so that he couldn't log in anymore.  This means that he is not in control of this account.  This one is definitely a security risk.)
-*[[user:Freethinker1of1]] (I know what you're thinking.  It's painful to think about blocking the major guiding force of the early days.  But he's often claimed periods of internet outage, and we can't assume he's in full control of his account.  He's not even dropped by this year.)
-*[[user:GingerM]] (whose stats are REALLY weird and indicate some kind of previously compromised account)
-*[[user:OncomingStorm]] (whose stats are similarly weird)
-I think there are a few admin that never deserved to be admin — much less bureaucrats — and we should pursue Wikia's help in de-opping them. Their names have been repeatedly mentioned to me when I've told users they need to get in a few more edits before they can be an admin. And it's hard to argue to someone that 500 edits isn't really sufficient to be an admin, and that they need to work harder to become an admin, when we've got these examples to the contrary sitting around.  These bizarre anomalies include:
+== RE: Thanks ==
-*[[user:Nhprman]] — Yes, I know he's logged in somewhat recently, but he hasn't edited since 2006 and even then, he's had only 9 total edits here, 2975 wikia wide, almost all of it in the main namespace.  Never written on anyone's user talk page.  Ever. We'd never allow this guy to be an admin today with stats like that.
+You're very welcome. Lovely to have you! {{User:Aquanafrahudy/Sig}}
-*[[user:Sean-Black]], Like Nhprman, this guy is a full-on bureaucrat, and he's had exactly 72 edits here, 135 wikia wide
-*[[user:Wikia-Jaster]].  Seriously.  What's this about?  79 edits here, 984 wikia wide,  never logged in since 2007.  Total security risk.
-*[[user:Joker1138]] just doesn't have enough edits to have ever qualified as an admin, much less bureaucrat. 365 edits here, 1,871 in total.  More well rounded editing than the others on this list, but still, nothing about his work indicates why he'd be an admin.
-*[I would not include [[user:Josiah Rowe]] here for de-opping, despite his low numbers.  As you likely know, he's one of the main organisers of wikipedia's DW project, and he's fairly active elsewhere on Wikia.  Besides he's edited here in the last 30 days.]
-I know you're like me and are therefore reluctant to prune the past.  But there is an actual technical threat posed by inactive accounts, and we should protect ourselves against account hijack, however unlikely that might be.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''23:40:38 Sat&nbsp;'''03 Sep 2011&nbsp;</span>
+== Bumbling around the new place ==
-{{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''23:40:38 Sat&nbsp;'''03 Sep 2011&nbsp;</span> 23:40, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
-== Master merger ==
+Hello! A bit late, but I’m finding my way around the new digs. I was “surprised-but-not-surprised” when I learned the news of the migration; I certainly have seen enough headaches from arbitrary Fandom diktats to understand the reasons for the decision.
-Thanks for that, at least on of us knows what we're doing. I'll just put the finishing touches to it later and it'll be up in a few hours or so.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 15:13, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
+Although I was an infrequent editor and an even more infrequent admin on the old site, it would be nice to retain the admin bit. (Like the Doctor’s “parts” that Cassandra refers to in “New Earth”, it’s nice to have them even if they are “barely used.”)
-==CC-BY-NC-ND-2.0==
+Please let me know if there is anything I should be aware of about in the change beyond what’s in the general announcements. Thanks! —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] [[User talk:Josiah Rowe|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:35, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
-He< i notice you've added the above template to [[MediaWiki:Licenses]].  I don't know for absolute sure, but I don't think you can do that at Wikia.  I'm not sure if SA 3.0 is legally compatible with NC-ND 2.0.  You might want to ask a question with [[Special:Contact]] to get a quickish answer whether we can offer that other license.  If ya already have, and they've said yes, disregard this message :)  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''23:18:01 Wed&nbsp;'''07 Sep 2011&nbsp;</span>
-==New editor==
+:Ooh, that was quick! Looks like SOTO took care of it without me even asking! Now, that’s service! Never mind me, then. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] [[User talk:Josiah Rowe|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:46, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
-Well, the new editor was foisted on us today, and it's instantly created about a thousand things I neede to fix— not the least of which is a total redesign of all the [[MediaWiki:newarticletext|newarticletext]] templates.  And I was ''just'' enjoying being a normal editor working on, y'know, articles 'n' stuff.
-Oh well.
+== "Talking dog" ==
+Hey, I really do appreciate your going through the proposed mergers lately, but [[Talk:Talking dog]] was an ongoing discussion; it wasn't settled that it should be merged. Do please check these things! As you know, it's very tricky to ''undo'' a merge that was done in error. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
-If you see things that concern you about the new edit page, do let me know.  I can't promise when I'll get to it, but at least if I know where there's a problem, I can start to rationalise my time.
+== Unnecessary category redirects ==
-The big, honkin' disaster of a thing at the moment is that all those "convenient" little icons under "add features and media" completely allow uers to bypass adding licenses.  At this point, all I can think to do about that is just fire off a report to [[Special:Contact]].  So if you want to add your voice of complaint to mine and MM's, feel free.
+Hi Tangerine, would you be able to delete [[:Category:4DA Series 9 audio story images]] and [[:Category:The Fourth Doctor Adventures Series 9 audio anthology images]], as they are both unused and unnecessary; only existing because of mistakes whilst moving categories. The source code seems to be locked for them both though, so I can't put a delete tag there myself.
-During this period of transition, if you do happen to be wading through the forums at community central, and you notice anything that looks like an interesting custom fix to a problem posed by this new editor, please do send me a link.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''23:24:58 Wed&nbsp;'''07 Sep 2011&nbsp;</span>
+Ta, {{User:Gingerfool/Sig}} 23:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
-:My head is pounding. Literally.  I don't even know where to begin with this new editor.  I've retreated to monobook just to be able to do ''something''.  I've spent a good portion of the day firing off various bug reports and having conversations at http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sarah_Manley/New_Editor_Scheduled_for_Sitewide_Release, a central collection thread for complaints about the new editor.
-:I'm unsure of how to proceed in terms of how to communicate to our user base.  There are '''so many''' bugs.  I'm not talking about ''changes''.  I mean outright bugs, where the features aren't working even as the developers want.  We need to say ''something'' to our users, but I don't know what, exactly, or how.
-:This thing is '''not''' getting reversed.  We need, therefore, to remain positive about it.  And it's clear that wikia are taking complaints seriously at this point.  I ''am'' seeing staff taking user comments seriously.
-:But what do we do here?  Do we give users a list of things we know aren't working?  Do we direct them towards community central discussions of relevance?  Do we tell them to submit [[Special:contact]] forms when they run into problems?  Do we tell them to retreat to monobook for a week or so while the ''major'' bugs are being fixed?  If we do that, our users can't actually get to grips with the new editor and submit error reports, which helps develop the product to a usable level.  If we ''don't'' tell them to go to monobook, a lot of them are going to get frustrated with wikia editing.
-:I think ultimately wikia will get this thing working much better than it does today, but I feel like we need to do '''something''' to warn/help/advise our local user base, and I have no idea what the right tone is, because the Windows side of me is saying "test the bastard and send in bug reports", while the Mac side of me is saying "this is one of the worst and most obviously illogical interfaces I've ever seen".
-:I need you to help me figure out a way of handling the user fallout while I search for what''ever'' I can find on the technical front that will improve the experience. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''06:21:20 Fri&nbsp;'''09 Sep 2011&nbsp;</span>
-== Delete BroadcastCorp ==
-[[User:BroadcastCorp]] who you apparently blocked for five years, wants his talk page and profile page wiped out. And as he is disabled he wants to be unblocked as well, just so he can move on. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/90.192.93.15|90.192.93.15]] 07:13, September 9, 2011 (UTC)
-:As this IP user is a likely sockpuppet of BC himself, the address has been blocked, and a note left of the user talk page to explain that we can't comply with the request. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''13:58:40 Fri&nbsp;'''09 Sep 2011&nbsp;</span>
-==Very quick reply==
-I haven't even finished reading your message yet, but I did want to fire back with a request:  ''please'' don't leave over this issue.  Just use monobook until the storm of this thing passes. I'm going to be skinning monobook this weekend.  You don't really need to see the site in wikia in order to enjoy it.
-As much as I don't like the editor, they ''will'' get it to something more usable.  In the meantime, enjoy some retro-editing – at new lightning fast speeds! — in monobook.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''13:49:13 Fri&nbsp;'''09 Sep 2011&nbsp;</span>
-==Uncategorized files==
-The licensing of all images in [[Special:UncategorizedFiles]] has been completed.  To the extent that there are images left there, they are most likely simply waiting for a cache update to whisk them off the page.  By no later than Wednesday the caching will have cleared away any remaining stragglers.
-I have taken some time to manually (well, semi-automatically, let's say) affix the proper licenses to a great many of the pictures that used to be there.  From Wednesday forward, all pictures discovered in UncatFiles will be subject to completely automatic deletion.  A number of warnings have been placed on the wiki to this effect.  You may direct users to [[Help:Files]] should they come to you with the question, "What happened to my file?"
-I plan to implement an automatic run more or less when I feel like, but on a weekly basis when any of our shows are in season; at least monthly when not.
-[[user:Doctor Who 63]], far and away the biggest offender, has now been put on what I would call a "final warning".  If he uploads even a single new picture without a license, there are certainly adequate grounds to block him.  I would suggest a block of no more than a week at first, just to let him or her that we are '''completely serious''' about needing image licenses.  His latest offense comes from 4 September, well and truly after two or three warnings from you, so I think we're beyond the patience I urged in the past. If he had ever acknowledged you in the past, to let us know that he was having problems understanding what to do, the case would probably be different.  But he's been asked several times, and yet continues to do break the rule.  Yes, his behavior is being aided by the "add a photo to this gallery" bug, but since he/she won't respond we're left with only the option of taking some overt action.  Again, you'll be looking for any uploads after 11 Sept without a license.  Thanks.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''23:06:39 Sun&nbsp;'''11 Sep 2011&nbsp;</span>
-==Sock puppetry confirmed==
-[[User:DomeSeven]] was absolutely a sock puppet of [[user:BroadcastCorp]], according to a Wikia Central report.  He is thus banned on both accounts forever, without the ability to send mail or write on his own talk page.  [[user talk:BroadcastCorp#You are infinitely banned|'''Read more...''']] {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''21:20:52 Mon&nbsp;'''12 Sep 2011&nbsp;</span>
-==Achievements now "the Game of Rassilon"==
-Please note that "Achievements" has now been totally rebranded the "Game of Rassilon" on this site.  For those editors who ''only'' edit here, it will probably be confusing to make reference to "Achievements", as the word has all but been scrubbed from public view.  Help and rules files are now [[Help:Game of Rassilon]] and [[tardis:Game of Rassilon rules]].  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">13:33:04 Tue&nbsp;13 Sep 2011&nbsp;</span>
-== Image discussion ==
-{{Please see|Image appropriateness issue}} &mdash; [[User:Rob T Firefly|Rob T Firefly]] - '''[[User talk:Rob T Firefly|&#916;]][[Special:Contributions/Rob T Firefly|&#8711;]]''' - 13:43, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
-how do u make templatees
-== Notable Aliases ==
-Hey, Tangerineduel. Af [[forum: Notable Aliases]], general conscensus has been to remove some of the more ridiculous names that have been appearing in new series characters Also Called section. It was decided that we should remove some of the really bad ones from [[Aliases of the Doctor]], so I did this, noting the names that I removed on the talk page and pointing to the forum discussion and the talk page in my edit summary. [[user: mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]], however, has simply reverted the edits even though myself and Rob T Firefly both tried to keep the page at my version. Not wishing to start an edit war, I left a message on Mini-mitch's talk page, as did 70.36.140.19 and Boblipton. Is there anything that you can do to get mini-mitch to either join the discussion or allow us to make the changes? Thanks-[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 02:04, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
-== Welcome message ==
-The welcome message left behind by [[user:Wikia]] is going to be a bit wonky for about a week.  There's a bug in that whole system which I appear to have finally nailed down for Wikia.  However, it has to be left in a kind of "buggy" state for about a week so that the devs can look at it.  For the time being, it won't be displaying our custom welcome message, because the error is in the hierarchy of welcome messages.  For some reason, if the welcome message ends in '''-staff''' it overides other messages that don't end in '''-staff'''.  So [[MediaWiki:Welcome-message-user-staff]] trumps [[MediaWiki:Welcome-message-user]].  At the moment the -staff thingy is overriding our non-staff message, so he welcomes are a bit ''blah''.  It'll be corrected in a week, or when I get the all-clear from Wikia, whichever is sooner.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">15:50: Wed&nbsp;21 Sep 2011&nbsp;</span>
-::By the way, this is working again.  Not through a Wikia fix, but through ours.  If you check [[user:wikia]]'s recent changes, you'll see both IPs and registered users being welcomed with the sig of the admin who's most recently edited the wiki, and all the little $variables being filled in correctly.  If you wish to make changes to the text displayed, you must currently go to [[MediaWiki:Welcome-message-anon-staff]] and [[MediaWiki:Welcome-message-user-staff]].  Changes within the template namespace do nothing, except on those pages where an individual user physically placed {{tl|Welcome}}.  These days, it's doubtful that a user would actually be able to "beat the bot" and place the welcome message before it did. You'd basically have to place the welcome message ''before the new user made an edit'' to defeat the bot.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">14:57: Sat&nbsp;08 Oct 2011&nbsp;</span>
-==Firefox issues==
-Nope, that's my doing.  The picture thing on templates I knew about, and had to leave for a bit.  But I didn't know about the Firefox thing.  It's probably something simple, but I gotta run it to ground.  Sorry for the incovenience.  And it's not just that the infoboxen have lost their formatting; it's ''everything'' on a wikia page.  The only successful formatting coming through is the font.  Probably have it fixed up in a few hours, at most. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">16:00: Fri&nbsp;23 Sep 2011&nbsp;</span>
-:Just a note about my editing style.  Firefox is now my least-used browser.   I used to use FF all the time, but I've found that lately it's just damn slow and aborts for no reason, no matter the website I'm on. And it's also the most finicky.  Safari will accept some syntactical leeway with CSS that FF won't tolerate.  So it's possible to be cruisin' along in Safari without understanding that FF is balking at something.  I do check Firefox, but not on a daily basis.  I was taking a few days' break from CSS/JS because I was going a bit round the bend.  But I see now that FF is having some problems that need to be addressed.  Will look into it over the weekend.  Please don't wait in future if you see issues in FF, as I won't pick up on them immediately.
-:The Hide/Show thing is a problem in all browsers.  It works sometimes and not at others.  I haven't really been able to figure out why, but I think it has to do with importing the script, rather than having the script natively on the site.  It's about the order in which the various scripts are loading, and I think this would probably go away if I just had the native script directly on our site.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">15:32: Fri&nbsp;07 Oct 2011&nbsp;</span>
-::To keep you abreast of things, this Firefox business is at the top of my priority list.  And the problem has been definitively narrowed down to some kind of (probably niggly) syntax error in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]].  Problem is that common.css is a stubborn cuss.  Sometimes changes you make there are immediately reflected, and sometimes it takes hours.  As of yesterday afternoon, it was taking ''hours'' — which is not the responsiveness you need when you're tracking down a syntax error.  Hopefully it won't take longer than today to find, but I can't make promises on how long it'll take the wiki's cache to play nice.  I'll let you know as soon as I get to a revision that I think is working.  Sorry for the problems.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">14:51: Sat&nbsp;08 Oct 2011&nbsp;</span>
-:::Clear your Firefox cache, please.  You should find that the site looks much improved.  The CSS issue was found.  I'm still having some problems with Hide/Show, but these are javascript-, and not Firefox-, specific.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">05:00: Mon&nbsp;10 Oct 2011&nbsp;</span>
-== Doug87 Undefeated ==
-You cannot stop me by blocking anon users at random.. [[User:Memnarc|Doug87]] 15:28, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
-{{Please see|Page Creation time}} [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 22:27, October 1, 2011 (UTC)
-==in-universe material from official reference sources==
-Hi Tangerineduel,
-I would like to have your input on an argument that me and [[User:CzechOut]] have been involved in regards to the use of in-universe information from official reference sources.
-The argument started when I created an article about the Dalek Language called "Dalekese" which is mentioned in the book ''[[The Dalek Pocketbook and Space Travellers Guide]]''. The section of the book expands on the Doctor Who universe from an in-universe point of view and in particular Dalek culture (this is of course pre-Genesis Dalek history). Anyway, cause it's mentioned in a reference source and not in a story ie. tv episode, novel, comic, or audio, he believes it doesn't count even if it's told in an in-universe perspective. He says that all reference material is out-of-universe meaning that it's behind the scenes, however none of the mentioned material I used talks about the show from a real world perspective. Of course there have been some reference sources in the past which talk about the show from a real world view like for example Doctor Who Confidential, however there are reference sources like [[Monster Files]] which is presented by Captain Jack which is an example of in-universe reference sources which in one episode talked about the history of the [[Raxacoricofallapatorian]] race which hadn't been talked in previous episodes, books or comics.
-When talking about expanding a particular topic, in the show it's been mentioned that the inside of the TARDIS exists in another dimension, however this has never been fully explained. In ''[[Doctor Who: The Visual Dictionary]]'', it shows how the inside of the TARDIS exists with what is called the [[Time Sceptre]] which I've created an article as you can see, again another example of information from an in-universe perspective.
-His reason to not agreeing to this is from what I've read is based on opinion which he mentioned some reference material is crap, which in other words not that well written even though it may be fact. Of course in the past reference material has made few mistakes or spelling errors, but that doesn't mean those few mistakes may be acknowledged when they could simply be ignored and made a note somewhere in the behind-the-scenes section. I suggested a compromise where if something in a narrative might conflict with already existing canon then obviously the two can exist with a reasonable explanation provided. However if an in-universe reference source states something which conflicts with already existing canon, then clearly that's an error that shouldn't be counted.
-Using another wiki for an example, the Star wars universe features heaps of characters, places and items which don't appear or are mentioned in a narrative but in an in-universe reference source. So of course the Star Wars wiki has allowed articles detailing how those things fit into the universe from an in-universe perspective. This can be the same said for wikis based on other series.
-So I would like your input on this subject and hopefully a reasonable solution can be made, preferably a way to allow in-universe reference sources to be used for in-universe perspective articles.. --[[User:Victory93|Victory93]] <sup>[[User talk:Victory93|talk to me]]</sup> 10:12, October 10, 2011 (UTC)
-*Alright I see. But to just to say, isn't a wiki supposed to cover everything on a particular subject?
-I mean what if we were to cover everything. I have a large majority of new and old source material as I could source check between reference materail if nobody else would. --[[User:Victory93|Victory93]] <sup>[[User talk:Victory93|talk to me]]</sup> 23:47, October 10, 2011 (UTC)
-==User warnings==
-Hey, so the basic structure of the preset user hint/warning system, requested by [[forum:Alienation of new and IP users]], is nearing completion.  The basic styles of the messages are now available for viewing at [[help:user warnings]].
-When complete, the system will allow us to type a keyword, followed by a number, to call forth the appropriate message.  So <pre>{{subst:pic name1|~~~|Pic names need to be meaningful}}</pre> will (as soon as [[template:pic name1]] is created) bring up a green "here's a helpful hint" box, populate it with a little two- or three-sentence note about naming files, with a section name of "Pic names need to be meaningul", signed by you.
-Hand-in-hand with this new user warning system is the newly instituted {{tl|shortcut}} system.  Shorcuts will greatly assist in linking directly to a part of the MOS, or other policy, in order to highlight that one little snippet.  For instance, if we want to draw attention to the fact that we don't allow fan fiction, we can now just type <pre>[[T:NO FANFIC]]</pre> rather than the very awkward<pre>[[Tardis:What the TARDIS Index File is not#Not for fan fiction]]</pre>
-All the templates will need to be substitued, as opposed to just called, in order for several features to work.  A table of messages will be created to keep track, similar to what's found on the wikipedia page linked at [[help:user warnings]].
-{{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">14:59: Sat&nbsp;15 Oct 2011&nbsp;</span>
-==Eighth Doctor timeline==
-Heya, I've just noticed that you are sandboxing a new version of the Eighth Doctor timeline page. As you have probably noticed, I am quite, quite obsessed with the Eighth Doctor and would appreciate it if you would let me help out a bit with the sandboxing.
-I've been having a bit of trouble managint to find somewhere to place Shada, obviously it comes after Mary's Story as the Doctor mentions travelling with Mary Shelley in Shada. Yet it is almost impossible to place the story before Storm Warning because Shelley travels with the Doctor ''during'' the Samson and Gemma period, and the Terror Firma flashback where Samson and Gemma leave the Doctor leads directly into Storm Warning, leaving no gap in which Shada could possibly take place.
-On the prospect of the Charley audios taking place during the EDA's I would just like to point towards a line in Mary's Story, where the Doctor mentions a list of companions that seem to be in order: [[Ssard]], [[Trix]], (from EDA/RT lines) [[Charlotte Pollard|Charley]], [[Lucie Miller|Lucie]], [[Alex Campbell|Alex]], before mentioning unheard of companions. This kinda suggests that all the Big Finish stuff comes after the EDA's, but also contradicts the fact that Romana II is president after she had already regenerated (does that make sense? It does in my head, so ask me to clarify if you need to).
-The list of short trips stories here:
-*[[ST]]: ''[[Not in My Back Yard]]''
-*[[BFA]]: ''[[Mary's Story]]'' (Future Doctor)
-*[[ST]]: ''[[The End]]''
-*[[ST]]: ''[[Museum Peace]]''
-*[[ST]]: ''[[Osskah]]''
-All of these stories follow a theme where the Doctor is much older (greying hair in "NiMBY" and knowing he will regenerate soon in "the End" and "Museum Peace", he also has the Ninth Doctor's LED sonic screwdriver in "Osskah" and makes references to a "storm in heaven", which giving the late placement in his timeline, is suggested to be the Time War. I hope that clears up that part of the uncertain chronology section.
-Also, "The Sorrows of Vienna" has to be set almost directly after "The Girl Who Never Was", as the Doctor is drowning his sorrows after loosing Charely and C'rizz.
-Right, thats all I can think of at the moment, if I can help in any other way please let me know, I'm here to make the Eighth Doctor's chronology as accurate as I can. ----[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 15:32, October 18, 2011 (UTC)
-==Focus color==
-Nope, not trying to make a point; just trying to find a color you'll like.  I'm committed to us having a focus color.  If you have multiple edit windows open, it's important to clearly see which one you're ''currently'' editing. But I don't much care what that color is, so long as it's a shade of blue that plays nice with New Tardis Blue, or its compliment. This mustard is the precise compliment of NTB.   But if you don't like it, that's cool.  I'm happy for you to just find a color — broadly in the blue-purple spectrum, or the orange-tan spectrum — and tell me to plug it in.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">15:56: Fri&nbsp;21 Oct 2011&nbsp;</span>
-==Need a proofreader==
-Could I have your comments on [[T:GAL]] please? Thanks.   {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">19:15: Mon&nbsp;24 Oct 2011&nbsp;</span>
-:Bot already sent; you shouldn't be able to find a gallery add button anywhere in main/user/user talk anymore.  The big thing that still needs to be corrected is the proliferation of one-pic-galleries.  Don't know why people started doing this.  But it's a hand-edit job, I'm afraid. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">15:13: Wed&nbsp;26 Oct 2011&nbsp;</span>
-== Wiki Activity  ==
-Why is your name Purple and in bold writing on [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WikiActivity Here] Ehh is it becouse your an admin ? <font face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="background:#3399FF; border:1px dotted #00CCCC; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:0px; font-size:75%;">[[User:CharmeRuler|<font color=#FF0000 title="My Profile">CharmeRuler</font> ]] • [[User talk:CharmeRuler|<font color=#FF0000 title="My talk page">Talk</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/CharmeRuler|<font color=#FF0000 title="My Contributions">Contrib</font>]]</span></font> 15:31, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
-Ok  Thankx <font face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="background:#3399FF; border:1px dotted #00CCCC; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:0px; font-size:75%;">[[User:CharmeRuler|<font color=#FF0000 title="My Profile">CharmeRuler</font> ]] • [[User talk:CharmeRuler|<font color=#FF0000 title="My talk page">Talk</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/CharmeRuler|<font color=#FF0000 title="My Contributions">Contrib</font>]]</span></font> 15:33, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
-{{please see|What makes a rumour?}} [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 17:42, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
-==[[T:ITAL]]==
-I've now tried to codify the italics/quotation marks debate in the MOS.  Please see [[T:ITAL]] and see if it fairly represents the discussion of 2010. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">20:21: Tue&nbsp;01 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
-== Image rules cheat card ==
-I'm noticing more and more instances of people uploading pictures which are, according to agreed practises, flawed in some way.  I'm thinking that part of the reason might be that we haven't put it all together on one page, so I've created [[T:ICC]], or [[Help:Image cheat card]].  It's kind of in the vein of the [[Help:Spelling cheat card]] — just a quick run-through of the big points about image usage.  Let me know if you think it could be improved. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">05:37: Fri&nbsp;11 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
-== Deletion of page and "suppression of redirects" ==
-I'm a former longtime editor of this Wiki who no longer contributes under a user name due to conflicts with a few certain users. And for reasons such as this: CzechOut deleted the longstanding article [[Doctor Who Adventures comic strip stories]] in favor of [[DWA comic stories]], citing "standard nomenclature". It doesn't make sense to me, but OK. But what annoys me is this is a longstanding article and a redirect is not being allowed. It says right on the edit summary - redirect suppressed. Why? Has a decision been made to make this wiki difficult to navigate? Not everyone uses DWA to abbreviate the magazine. I have left the query on this user's talk page, but having dealt with this person in "my past life" I know from experience that having a third party involved is probably a good idea. I have no objection- silly as I may find it personally at times - to the moving of articles. I object to taking articles that have in some cases been ''bookmarked'' they've been around so long (and I've contributed to the one in question as well) and not allowing a simple redirect. It's as senseless as, say, someone moving the Martha Jones article to Martha Smith Jones and then not allowing a redirect at Martha Jones. Also, note that the DWA comics article hasn't been moved -- it's been ''deleted'' and a new article created, so does that mean the article's edit history is toast, too? At Wikipedia articles are moved, never "deleted" for this reason. [[Special:Contributions/68.146.80.110|68.146.80.110]] 15:06, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
-== Dates ==
-Um, wow.  Yah, I'll get on the restoration process.  I wonder if he actually changed all the links away from the ''-th'' versions.  He coudln't have, right?  He's a fast editor, but he's not ''that'' fast.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">16:30: Tue&nbsp;15 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
-:Bot restoration now underway.  Please don't attempt manual restoration, as this will derail the bot fix.  I am assuming the last affected date is [[9th April]]. If you discover later dates, please let me know and I'll apply a fix to those later dates, too.  I guess I could just look for myself right now, but honestly, this isn't the kind of work I wanted to be doing right now. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">17:01: Tue&nbsp;15 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
-:Ahhh, cool.  Well, actually, there was a simple page that had been deleted which lets us keep track of the date redirects.   [[Tardis:DateRedirects]] shows you the linked status of all date redirects. And they're now all blue again.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">17:14: Tue&nbsp;15 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
-== Unneccesary blocking ==
-Hello, I am - different IP address again - the person who has been masquerading, across many IP addresses, as the completely Anti-Doug86 user, Doug87, and once, when I, of another IP address which I cannot remember, was once masquerading as Doug87 and linked it up to the admin Menmarc's page, and got blocked for it, and that was a ccomplete accident because the editing results were being wierd as per usual, so you had no right whatsoever to go and block me. How would you like it if I wasan admin and you were an anon user and you accidentally linked something to the wrong thing and I blocked you? Sorry for linking to Menmarc, I'll concentrate when linking in future, but anyway, just think before you block someone for incorrect linking in future, OK? No hard feelings, from [[Special:Contributions/94.1.136.90|94.1.136.90]] 21:46, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
-== OK then, thanks ==
-Ok. Thanks for the info....[[User:Metardis|Metardis]] <sup>[[User talk:Metardis|talk to me]]</sup> 16:34, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
-== More concerns ==
-I'm the IP who lodged a complaint over the suppression of redirects by a user a few threads above. Please also see [[The End of Time]] (direct URL: [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_End_of_Time?cb=8544]) for another example of what I'm going to start seeing as misuse of authority. By deleting a disambiguation page CzechOut has made it difficult to find the TV story article and impossible to find the article on the novel. I just created a disambiguation page for [[Judgement Day]] which I now expect to see deleted in which case we might as well delete the two articles. Who runs this wiki? [[Special:Contributions/68.146.80.110|68.146.80.110]] 20:34, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
-Cool, thanks. Good to learn! [[User:MankaCat|MankaCat]] <sup>[[User talk:MankaCat|talk to me]]</sup> 15:52, December 13, 2011 (UTC)
-== Speech balloons ==
-[[File:Daleks from Shadows of Humanity.png|thumb|Better to cut off the portion of the frame at the top here.]]
-Well, I checked through the archives and I guess we've never had a specific conversation about whether the removal of speech balloons constitutes a fundamental alteration of a comic image.  I would have thought it non-controversial, though, as we want often want comic images to display ''just'' the thing of interest.  A lot of comic panels, particularly in the 1960s and 70s have very irregular shapes, so there's no way to take a rectangle without getting a little snippet of another frame.  The ''Duel of the Daleks'' image we're playing with is a good example, but the one at right illustrates the problem of irregularity even better.
-Cutting off the speech balloon, so long as it can be done cleanly and completely, is akin, I think, to removing the audio — which we're obviously doing every time we take a screenshot.  If we do it by tight cropping, as at [[:file:John and Gillian.jpg|John and Gillian.jpg]], or by actually pushing the balloon to an alpha channel, it's the same manipulation.
-[[File:John and Gillian.jpg|thumb|Note here that the crops here simply take away parts of the frame, but the speech bubbles are nevertheless ''entirely'' preserved.|left]]
-The basic goal, as I see it, is to honour the artist by returning the work to its state before he or she handed it over the letterer.  As long as we're maintaining the colors used by the artist — as has happened with [[:File:Zeg and the Emperor tighter.jpg|Zeg and the Emperor tighter.jpg]] — we're not in any way ''materially'' changing the image.
-Frankly, though, when people chop an image crudely, and include only a balloon tail or a portion of the speech balloon, that ''is'' manipulating the image in a deleterious way. The rule should be that either the balloon is all the way in or all the way out, because those two states are true to the comic creation process.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">13:05: Fri&nbsp;16 Dec 2011&nbsp;</span>
-== Code leak ==
-Did you use the visual editor to leave that comment?  Looks like it to me.  Hence [[Forum:Can we disable visual editor please?]]  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">14:53: Mon&nbsp;19 Dec 2011&nbsp;</span>
-== Visual editor discussion ==
-As you discovered last year, Wikia want the discussion about shutting down the RTE/vis. ed. to be as broad as possible.  Toward that end '''every single user talk page''', including IPs, are getting invitations to the discussion, just in time for the busiest editing weekend we'll have before late 2012.  This might prove a stupid idea, but at least it won;t be possible to say we're doing this in secret.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">21:23: Mon&nbsp;19 Dec 2011&nbsp;</span>
-hey there =)
-regarding the fact that articles concerning the BBV no longer belong here, i agree with that but still think that we should still keep the Iris Wyldtime ones, and the Dalek Chronicles.
-I've also made a wikia specifically built to store the stuff from the BBV
-:51, December 20, 2011 (UTC)
-{{Please see|Can we disable visual editor please?}} <br> {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">00:18: Wed&nbsp;21 Dec 2011&nbsp;</span>
-== RE BBV monthly ==
-o ok then [[User:Sclera1|Sclera1]] <sup>[[User talk:Sclera1|talk to me]]</sup> 05:16, December 21, 2011 (UTC)
-== Hello, sir ==
-Please excuse my use of American English, sir. I am well aware and apreciate your beautiful designs you have in your wiki, and I am wondering a query: how did you establish to add a calender/clock on the corner of your wiki atop of the Recent Activities button? With your permission, sir, I plan to use one very much like those on my very own wiki. Thank you for reading my message, sir. [[User:Anakin Skyobiliviator|Anakin Skyobiliviator]] (<small>[[User talk:Anakin Skyobiliviator|talk]]</small>) 08:20, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
-== Adminship? ==
-Hello, just too be straight-forward, I would like too be an Admin? [[User:Metardis|Metardis]] <sup>[[User talk:Metardis|talk to me]]</sup> 14:34, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
-== OK then! ==
-OK then. I was just moving this sort of thing: ...went into N-space in ([[DW]]: [[''A Episode'']]) to: ...went into N-space. ([[DW]]: [[''A Episode'']]) [[User:Metardis|Metardis]] <sup>[[User talk:Metardis|talk to me]]</sup> 16:07, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
-Oh, sorry. It's gone. The article was [[Colin Prockter]] :) [[User:Metardis|Metardis]] <sup>[[User talk:Metardis|talk to me]]</sup> 17:10, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
-==Admin==
-Hi :)
-May I become an Admin please? Thanks [[User:Layton4|Layton4]] <sup>[[User talk:Layton4|talk to me]]</sup> 20:58, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
-== Doctor Who writers list ==
-I didn't intentionally skip your discussion.  I didn't see your contribution to [[talk:List of Doctor Who writers]] until I'd already begun the process of copying over from Wikipedia.  The topic of the discussion, at the time I made my original contribution, was whether the article should be deleted.  I think you'll agree that's a fairly non-controversial "no".  Precedence for the existence of the article clearly exists, so my goal then became making the article a ''worthwhile'' retention.  The quickest and easiest way to do that was to take what I had already completed, and what I nominally do have copyright interest in, and quickly putting it up.  I mean, fine, in a super technical sense, I suppose I should have taken my last revision of the article, but 95% of the article is comprised of my own words.  I don't think there's anything controversial about that, even if it does "take from wikipedia".  It's one thing to take from an article to which you've never contributed.  It's quite another to take from that which you've basically entirely written.
-We can still legitmately claim that taking from Wikipedia is "heavily discouraged" and have this one instance of copying. It's a real world article, which is an allowed exception, and more importantly one of our editors wrote it.  The only reason I ever did it on Wikipedia instead of here is because at the time we didn't have the version of MediaWiki that allowed sortable tables that worked in the same way, and because there's a mess of templates working on it.
-Indeed, this latter reason is why I was quick to post the copy, because I need to start copying all the little templates that make the thing work, and it's easier to see when I've finished the work if the page actually exists on our site.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">16:42: Wed&nbsp;28 Dec 2011&nbsp;</span>
-:Yeah, I suppose I just viewed the discussion as being one primarily about deletion.  I didn't remove the deletion tag itself, and I don't see it as a violation of [[tardis:deletion policy]] to modify the article while its ''existence'' is being debated.  I mean, it's possible to save some articles which would, in their initial form, have been reasonable deletions — such as when you can save a "blank" timeline page by providing a solid, in-narrative source.
-:The ''way'' in which I chose to modify the article is a separate issue, and, sure, if you want to have a community discussion about the appropriateness of a wikipedia author porting his or her content over here, that's certainly a reasonable topic for the Panopticon.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">17:05: Wed&nbsp;28 Dec 2011&nbsp;</span>
-::It may be worth having the discussion just to solidify the distinction between straight out "(legal) theft" and the transferral of material to which you, as an author, have a perfect moral and legal right to do.  It may also be good to mention the need to rewrite your work ''for this wiki'', because I'm finding I have quite a lot of site-specific tailoring to do:
-:::*Story names are often different here than they are on Wikipedia
-:::*The point of view is quite different because our readership doesn't need to have things spelled out quite so much
-:::*A wikipedia article will often have links to articles that don't exist at all, so you have to re-edit your own work, line by line, to determine whether it's worth linking to the wikipedia article, or just removing the link altogether.
-::So either we need to have a discussion with the broader community about the conditions under which transference of your own wikipedia material can take place or we need to just add in greater details to [[T:WIKIPEDIA]].
-::I'm honestly not sure how much interest a discussion on a pretty dry patch of technicality will draw, but on the other hand, putting the thing up for discussion ensures less difficulty later. Maybe we should just put up the general question, "Is it okay to copy your own work from Wikipedia to Tardis?" and then, if that passes, amplify the technicalities later?
-::All that said, I leave it entirely up to you how you want to proceed.  In the meantime, I, like you, will assume this isn't going to happen very often and there's just enough wiggle room in the word of [[T:WIKIPEDIA]] to cover it. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">15:26: Thu&nbsp;29 Dec 2011&nbsp;</span>
-== a reply ==
-Hi, in your recent reply to my question on being an admin, just for the record I would like to say that when you pointed out <nowiki>[[K9 Mark II|K9 Mark II]]</nowiki> that was because of the visual editor; when I hit the sugestion, I had to type K9 Mark ll in the 'text to diplay' box, and the same with the Hush. [[User:Metardis|<span style="color:blue">'''!Me'''</span>]][[User Talk:Metardis|<span style="color:red">'''tard'''</span>]][[User Blog:Metardis|<span style="color:rainbow">'''iS!'''</span>]] 15:50, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
-yeah, about that. The answer to that question is that I didn't really bother. <:) [[User:Metardis|<span style="color:blue">'''!Me'''</span>]][[User Talk:Metardis|<span style="color:red">'''tard'''</span>]][[User Blog:Metardis|<span style="color:rainbow">'''iS!'''</span>]]  16:14, December 29, 2011 (UTC) The first one. [[User:Metardis|<span style="color:blue">'''!Me'''</span>]][[User Talk:Metardis|<span style="color:red">'''tard'''</span>]][[User Blog:Metardis|<span style="color:rainbow">'''iS!'''</span>]]  17:03, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
-I have a question, would it be cool if I made a quote and sayings part for all the Doctors and maybe the companions? I noticed they don;t have one and the closest we get to it is a breif sentance telling us about a saying that they had (I.E. tenth doctor loved saying allons-y). I was wondering if that would be alright. {{unsigned|Thebirdman432}} {{unsigned}}
-==Moving of Speculation==
-Hello, I thought i got it wrong (re:http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:The_Ending_of_The_Doctor%3F) but i am now having trouble finding the move piece, could you direct me there please? You said it was there but there was no link to press. or not on my screen anyhow.
-Thanks
-[[User:HumanRejection|HumanRejection]] <sup>[[User talk:HumanRejection|talk to me]]</sup> 12:53, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
-:50, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
-Okay....but forums were made for discussion and speculation. Was it not? Why am I not allowed to, where would i put my input in such circumstances? [[User:HumanRejection|HumanRejection]] <sup>[[User talk:HumanRejection|talk to me]]</sup> 13:54, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
-Re: my own - or can i put it in my blog? although blogs are for references nonetheless is this more fitting than the forum? [[User:HumanRejection|HumanRejection]] <sup>[[User talk:HumanRejection|talk to me]]</sup> 14:00, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
-==Action Figure Background==
-Who put the action figures in the background and why? Action figures are totally non-canon and are completely unimportant to the content of this wiki. They are toys.[[Special:Contributions/2.120.134.92|2.120.134.92]]<sup>[[User talk:2.120.134.92#top|talk to me]]</sup> 22:30, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

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