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Dimensions in Time thread

I see you like your invalid sources, perhaps you might like to take a look at this thread http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:211495 just here. 82.3.146.201^{talk to me} 18:09, February 25, 2017 (UTC)

Questions

Hello! I was to first off thank you so much for contributing so many fine images to this wikia. Article illustrations are so important, and invalid stories are so often left to the side. I do have a few questions about the stories you've presented, since it appears that you're the only person who has seen many of these.

My first question comes down to the Facebook-only Zygon segments. How much do these adaptations entail? Audio, narration? If so, one could likely make the case that the stories are very much novelisations, and thus should not be invalid. Of course we would need to have a discussion about this, and I am just inquiring on the details of the story in case we ever want to go down the route.

The one that certainly hooks me the most is Christmas Past, which is the second LEGO product to feature DWU characters, and it's also the only DWU Lego product to be produced through stop-frame animation. My question is this: have you seen the suggested original upload which was not part of a collage? The one that was actually called Christmas Past? Surely you must get your info from somewhere.

If you have, what do Clara and the Doctor watch on the TV in the original? The answer to this could be very important, as it could decide if the story is declared an advertisement or not. If they watch an ad, then it simply can't be valid according to our policy (we've, at one point or another, come to the conclusion that ads are not stories). But if they watch something else, then it's a whole other ball-park.

If you see any other story where you think there's the case to be make for the story to be valid despite it being a "sketch" or such and such, hit me up with that info and we can chat over it. OS25 (Talk) 22:18, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

Re: images

Hi! You can always go to Special:Recentchanges to find the specific reasons for deletions. I've deleted a bunch of images over the last couple of weeks, but I believe that the ones I did recently were mostly >100kb, when we require images to be <100kb. I also deleted one that had no license, but I can't remember whose it was. Shambala108 ☎ 01:43, March 15, 2017 (UTC)

Infobox Merchandise

Heya :) Thanks for your recent edits. :) Just wanted to let you know, though, that {{Infobox Merchandise}} really isn't meant to be used the way you're using it. It's supposed to be for toys, games, wearables, edibles even -- but not for ranges of narratives (or ads or near-narratives).

I'll soon be introducing a new infobox for ranges, but understand that in the past we've implicitly agreed not to have a infobox on pages like Doctor Who and Torchwood. And I'm still not super-convinced it's a great idea on the novel ranges, cause names like BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures aren't actually official.

But that's maybe a slightly different question. Until the new infobox comes in, though, please stop using {{Infobox Merchandise}} for describing any sort of narrative/video/advertising range. Thanks! :)
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  18:19: Mon 24 Apr 2017

New editor bug

Yeah, I can confirm it's definitely weird and a bug. But the code that does that little thing isn't local to Tardis. So I'll have to go on a hunt elsewhere at Fandom to figure out what's going on. It's definitely on the list, if a little lower down.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  19:07: Mon 24 Apr 2017

Crossover madness

Okay, let's do this. First of all, there is a very useful page Crossover explaining the concept and giving many examples.

That characters who have set foot in DWU once should not be covered in all their other appearances is detailed in the last post/closing remarks of CzechOut on Sleeze Brothers.

Then there was a follow up with several examples of gratuitous appearances of characters from other properties, also from CzechOut. I'll just copy it here and create some links: Some of our users here at Tardis have been trying for a month or two to make some kind of rule that "if a character is in a DWU property, then prior or subsequent appearances are also in the DWU. But there is no such rule in T:VS. And, in fact, there's precedence to suggest otherwise, as with Sherlock Holmes, Dracula, Jar Jar Binks, and a whole host of others.

The other threads are still open and either too long or a bit too heated. So I'll not quote them here. I do realise that I somehow did not find a clear statement that a crossover character meeting the Doctor should be valid. But this should immediately follow from T:VS and from the multiple precedents. Hope this helps. Amorkuz ☎ 23:30, April 27, 2017 (UTC)

Crossover madness

When in doubt, it's always a good idea to ask. As for the closing of the thread, it should be done by another admin, one who did not participate in the discussion. It's not a problem for the thread to stay open though: the stories were explicitly ruled to be valid after another (very short) debate. By T:BOUND, they remain valid until ruled otherwise. In other words, despite our thread remaining open, there is no problem editing the stories. Amorkuz ☎ 21:58, April 30, 2017 (UTC)

The Big Bang Theory

Hi, don't worry. I did see that. But Inclusion debates is specifically intended for discussions of validity. Strictly speaking, this thread was off-topic. Such questions should properly be discussed in the Panopticon.

I was interrupted in the process of writing the closing remarks, so left this secondary concern without explicit response. Sorry about that. I will add it to the thread.

Let me, by way of apology, give a more detailed answer to you personally. But essentially the answer is present on the thread. OttselSpy25 perfectly summed up the practice of the wiki: "We can't have a page on every cultural reference to Doctor Who..." This accurately describes the policy of the wiki regarding cultural references.

First of all, an extended cultural reference is still a cultural reference. Whether a story (SitL in this case) is mentioned by name, discussed contentwise or shown onscreen, it is still the same story. There is no material difference between Sheldon saying that he watched SitL and Sheldon actually watching SitL onscreen. In fact, I would say that the former is of more importance since it is almost inevitably the primary focus of the mise-en-scène, whereas a working TV set with SitL on can easily serve as a background to something else.

Secondly, you say yourself that it is unreasonable to cover the whole episode of TBBT, just the part of it with SitL. But it has been a long-standing policy of the wiki to only consider full stories. For valid stories, this is formulated explicitly as the first of the four little rules. But the same principle clearly applies to invalid stories too. After all, given the power to edit out inconvenient portions, one could make almost any story valid. Take, for instance, Thread:209691. If one could remove all features of Chronotis that come into conflict with Shada, the objection of AeD and the final ruling based on it would not have made sense.

In fact, if anything, the coverage of TBBT on Cultural references to the Doctor Who universe should be compactified and consolidated. It is more than adequate and an interwiki link w:c:bigbangtheory:sheldon will always be more informative than any page created on this wiki.

For all these reasons, this proposal wouldn't have merit on the Panopticon. Amorkuz ☎ 22:29, May 5, 2017 (UTC)

Capital images

Hi, I think the simplest solution is for you to reupload the images with extension .jpg. I'll delete that .JPG ones. Thanks for not ruining the table. Amorkuz ☎ 20:23, May 10, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for correcting my mistake. Amorkuz ☎ 17:48, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

No real world

Hi, I've noticed that you're uploading and putting on pages images that were flashing, usually without context, in the Pyramid and in Monks' broadcasts. I would like to remind you of T:NO RW. In short, you cannot identify a person by the image based on your real-world knowledge. In order to put those images on pages, you need either to use the context (like in the case of Neil Armstrong, where the event is identified by the narrator and there is enough prior DWU information to understand who is in the spacesuit) or you need to compare the image with images of the same person that were featured in the DWU before. In the latter case, however, the new image is in most cases simply redundant in the presence of a superior image. A good example is your image of "Gagarin", which is so fuzzy that it would have been impossible to tell whether it is really him even if other images existed.

I would appreciate if you remove those images that are based on your real-world knowledge rather than DWU information from pages. Thank you in advance. Amorkuz ☎ 08:21, June 8, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, BTS is completely fine and actually useful. There may be some obscure link that would make the connection already. Or it can appear later one. Amorkuz ☎ 18:23, June 8, 2017 (UTC)

Blocked for plagiarism

Hey, a number of admin have grown concerned over your recent additions surrounding things from the so-called "Leekley Bible". It appears to us as if you may have simply cut and pasted copy directly from Shannon Sullivan's website. This is strictly disallowed under T:THEFT. Worse, T:THEFT#Non-CC-BY-SA sources specifically names Shanon Sullivan's site as one that shouldn't be copied. Shannon's site isn't published under the same kind of license Tardis is, and their content isn't freely available for us to copy.

Therefore, just as universities will come down on you hard if you plaigiarise, so, too, must we. Your recent work will be audited, and probably largely removed. And you will be prevented from editing until 23 November 2017. Please note that several admin arrived at this decision, jointly -- both in terms of determining that plaigiarism occurred and what the length of the block should be.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  20:03: Fri 23 Jun 2017

Now we are six hundred

Please refrain from adding material from sources whose validity has not been established to the in-universe parts of pages. Amorkuz ☎ 07:18, November 25, 2017 (UTC)

Clarification: All poems in the book are invalid until their validity is decided by inclusion debate(s). Thank you for alerting me about that page. I will deal with it. Also please reread Tardis:Canon policy that clearly states that there is no canon on this wiki. Amorkuz ☎ 08:35, November 25, 2017 (UTC)

RE: video

Thank you. I did scan the video (did not rewatch the whole thing) before uploading, and didn't find the mention of a future Doctor. The video has been deleted, and will be uploaded again when that information is no longer a spoiler. Thank you again for coming to me.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 00:09, November 27, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for defending the wiki from overly aggressive users. In order to improve our coordination in the future, a couple of points. It is more efficient to notify an admin on their talk page than to continue undoing edits. If need be, the edits can be reverted at any time. So, unless the new state of the page makes babies cry in their prams and birds fall from the sky, it is not necessary to return the page to the original state right on the spot. What needs to be done is to suggest a discussion on a talk page and notify an admin. What should be avoided (and was avoided in this case, which I am very happy about) is replying in kind and making too many undo edits. Note that if one user makes 4 edits and the other user undoes them 4 times, then both have engaged in an edit war and both are likely to be blocked. As I said, it did not happen this time, but you came very close. Make sure to always keep a cool head. Amorkuz ☎ 23:10, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

Hello

My name is Kinji Takigawa Party Night and I'm from America. So... What's your favorite and least favorite doctor. My favorite doctor is the Fourth Doctor and my least favorite doctor is war doctor.

4thDoctorRules 22:05, February 6, 2018 (UTC) – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kinji Takigawa Party Night (talk • contribs) .

TerryNation.jpg

Hey hey :) As requested, I added TerryNation.jpg to the category Terror Nation documentary images yesterday.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  18:26: Thu 08 Feb 2018

User talk pages

Hi, I'm asking you to refrain from adding the "unsigned" template on user talk pages. It's fine to do it with article talk pages, but please leave the unsigned comments on user talk pages alone. It's frustrating to get an email notification of a new talk page message only to have it be someone adding a signature. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 20:50, February 25, 2018 (UTC)

Re

I thought the old version was better. Can't remember my exact reasons at the moment, but that's why.--WarGrowlmon18 ☎ 01:20, March 7, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia template

Hi! Thanks for your concerns about the {{Wikipediainfo}} template.

Basically, the wikipediainfo template is best used for real world articles (people, places, culture, etc etc etc) that we don't know a whole lot about in the DWU and therefore can't include in our articles. If someone really wants to know more about, say, the Dancing House, beyond what we include on the wiki, they can go to wikipedia for info. This helps to avoid speculation on this type of page and to avoid people going beyond what the stories tell us.

As for the fictional elements of the DWU, though, like you say, our articles are superior to wikipedia's (and probably most other sites on the internet). We don't want people leaving the wiki to get information when they can get it here.

As for your specific question, The Doctor (The Girl Who Loved Doctor Who), I don't know anything about that story, but I can't imagine that wikipedia would necessarily even have an article about that character (they have notability guidelines that we don't), but if they do, it still probably wouldn't be as thorough as ours.

And P.S. thanks for the heads-up about the vandalistic pages. Shambala108 ☎ 23:54, March 26, 2018 (UTC)

Infoboxes and novelisations

It's understood that if an individual is in a TV story they're likely in the novelisation as well. For those rare cases where a character is only in one or the other, then the body of the article should explain that, for maximum clarity.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  21:46: Mon 16 Apr 2018

Categorising images

Just wanted to drop in and tell you that I appreciate your hard work on this project. This is not to say that your other work is any worse, but the lack of character categories is something that I myself noticed too but did not have time to address. So kudos and thanks. Amorkuz ☎ 22:52, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

Time Lords with unknown names

Hi, I notice earlier today you added Category:Time Lords with unknown names to a lot of incarnations of the Doctor. However, it might come to interest that the category is defined (on it's page) as "This category is not for pseudononymous Time Lords, but for Time Lords who are never named in-story.". This means that, even if we don't know the Doctor's true name, we do know a name (a pseudonym) for them.

I believe the category is meant to be used for Time Lords such as President (Birth of a Renegade), Time Lord 2 (Colony in Space) and Adjudicator (Thin Ice), who we know literally no name at all, and the page is named by their rank, profession, or simply the fact that they're Time Lords. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 18:18, April 29, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I decided to wait until a "discussion"/chat, (recent edit wars were stressful enough that I'm trying to avoid them at any cost) and now it seems Shambala108 beat us to it. Anyway, thankfully this was another situation that was easily fixed. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 20:40, April 29, 2018 (UTC)

Death Hoax

I was upset at first. But... It was just Death Hoax. https://en.mediamass.net/people/tom-baker/deathhoax.html – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kinji Takigawa Party Night (talk • contribs) .

Category page numbers

Heya :)

As you likely know, the previous 200/next 200 link is the standard way that category pages work on MediaWiki installation. The explanation given at Wikipedia's help page applies here:

A category page can only display a limited number of items (currently 200). If more pages belong to the category, there will be a link to the next ones. (emphasis added)

We've never had page number links of the kind you described here at Tardis. Like many bigger wikis — for example, Wookieepedia and Memory Alpha — that system isn't as useful just because we've got way more articles on hand. Because it also contains an image component, it can make a category turn into a multi-page affair when it doesn't need to be. So we long ago rejected it in favour of something that's generally more useful to our needs.

We use a script on Dev Wiki that allows for the display of more than 200 pages on a single category page, so that you don't have to flip between category pages. For instance, 20th century individuals is a category with close to 5k members. But instead of having to flip through the pages and guess where the Ts are, it's all on one page. Given that there are also double alpha-indices on the page, it's super easy to find whomever you're looking for — way better than the page number system you're describing.

However, you have run into a limitation of the script. See, screenshots doesn't house pages so much as media. The script doesn't see media as pages — so it's not at all triggered on that category page. And it never has been.

This means that media categories have always just had the standard previous 200/next 200 link at the top. To the extent that we've ever needed to manipulate these image categories — which is to say, not much at all — we've simply used a bot. It's pretty easy and painless — and it preserves the all-on-one-page feature for the categories most of our readers care about.

So if you'll give me more information on what you're trying to achieve, I'm happy to give you some bot help, or possibly design a DPL or <categorytree> solution.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  19:09: Fri 18 May 2018

Why cant add images to this fandom any more – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Harry videozcxhj (talk • contribs) .

Hedigar

Thank you for removing that category. I did try the edit button, but the category section didn't appear, so I was unable to. Thanks again. Ben Moore512 ☎ 20:54, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

Talk page blanking

Quite by accident, I did note the blanking of the talk page myself, this time independent of your message. However, I do appreciate you notifying me and would ask you to do so (me or any other admin, that is) in the future. I may not always respond to you with thanks (it is a time issue; I have been short on that commodity almost since the beginning of the year; plus in case of serious vandalism, it may require quick and sometimes protracted action), but please know that it is always appreciated. There is always a real chance of missing out on some issue requiring admin attention. Amorkuz ☎ 10:04, July 15, 2018 (UTC)

Royal template

Hey, I noticed you are working on {{Monarchs of England and Great Britain}}. I like the idea a lot, but I would prefer to call it “rulers” rather than “monarchs” because of Cromwells, who were Lord Protectors and not monarchs. I will not have time for this until the weekend. So if you object, please let me know and we will discuss. Amorkuz ☎ 13:51, July 23, 2018 (UTC)

The Eleven's TARDIS

Sorry for the aggro for the Eleven's TARDIS page. I wasn't sure how to sort the title. --Saint2 ☎ 20:42, July 28, 2018 (UTC)

Reducing file sizes

Oh, don't worry, you're not being intrusive at all. Thank you for the website recommendation, I'll be sure to use it. Ben Moore512 ☎ 14:17, July 30, 2018 (UTC)

Missing episodes

Sorry to butt in. But I'm not entirely sure I understand your reasoning. Just because there was an animated or telesnap reconstruction doesn't mean all missing episodes are found. They are still missing. Why are you removing these categories? Can we talk about it? Amorkuz ☎ 15:21, July 31, 2018 (UTC)

I see. Ok, let's think about it. I'm gonna apply philosophy to database maintenance now, pardon my Aristotle. On the face of it, you are right. All serials of Season 4 have missing episodes. But they do not necessarily have missing episodes. In other words, nothing in Season 4 (barring voodoo or Doctor's divine intervention) implies that these serials are incomplete. It is a complete coincidence, a contingent truth. So, philosophically speaking, we should not put Season 4 within the missing episodes category.

But there is a more practical reason not to do this. Call me an optimist, but imagine that all missing episodes of one of the serials are found. Normally, this would necessitate removing the missing episodes category from the serial page and done. But now this would require to remove the missing category from the Season 4 category, while at the same time adding it to all other serials of Season 4. This is a non-trivial maintenance operation that you yourself (or maybe I) might remember in a couple or years or not. But I am almost sure that nobody else would be able to figure out that this is what needs to be done. In other words, while the current set up is correct, it is not stable modulo potential incoming information. And it will almost certainly lead to an incorrect state if this information arrives. It also creates non-uniform, multi-level representation of missing episodes, which is not necessarily good for data mining.

If you agree with my reasoning, could you please revert it to missing episodes category applied only to serials? If not, I'm happy to listen to your reasoning. Amorkuz ☎ 15:37, July 31, 2018 (UTC)

nth Doctor categories

Yes, the Doctor categories seem legitimate because, as you say, this is never going to change. I saw you doing it and saw no problem with it. Especially given that you paid close attention to seasons with Doctor change of guards. Amorkuz ☎ 15:48, July 31, 2018 (UTC)

Reversions

May, I ask why do you keep deleting my edits? There's nothing wrong with them (apart from the Day of the Daleks one, you are perfectly right to delete that one), I just want to know. No hard feelings. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by ADarthTokuDalek (talk • contribs) .

Ace Sixth Doctor Companion

Hey, any reason why you have placed Ace into a sixth Doctor companion category? I'm assuming this is a mistake or is it something that appears in an audio/book/comic which I am yet to listen/read. (Please don't say which)

Adric♥Nyssa∩Talk? 20:17, August 22, 2018 (UTC)

Ah short trip is fine to tell me as I don't have many of those Adric♥Nyssa∩Talk? 21:13, August 22, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks definitely don't own that one Adric♥Nyssa∩Talk? 21:20, August 22, 2018 (UTC)

The Lost Skin

Hey, I see you've been adding a lot of categories to pages and that you added The HAVOC Files 4 stories to The Lost Skin. I'm not 100% sure because The HAVOC Files 4 is the only one I don't own, but I think that the planned part 3 wasn't included in HAVOC 4 to allow it to be rewritten into the Novella form.

Thanks for what you've been doing around here though. :)

ThomasRWade ☎ 11:35, August 24, 2018 (UTC)

That makes sense. As I mentioned, it's the only one I don't actually own from the Lethbridge-Stewart series, and they've yet to put it on Kindle, so I can't confirm.

ThomasRWade ☎ 17:28, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

Companions stories

Hi! I notice that you started a project of categorising stories by featured companions (which prompted me to start categorising other stories by "main"/regular characters, which I've been wanting to do for a while as well).

Anyway, I'm passing by to ask you to which extent do you intend on taking this project: you will also extend this to companions introduced in audios, novels and comics? If you wish, I can assist you with those; decided it was best to check with your first, to not disrupt your current project. So, happy editing. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 01:17, September 1, 2018 (UTC)

I've mainly been following their lists of appearances, and adding anything I see that's missing. Good to know you plan to include non-TV companions as well. Best wishes. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 14:31, September 1, 2018 (UTC)

Human spouses

Hey, I noticed you are populating this new category. My sincere advice is to run it by Shambala108 first. It would be a pity if you do a lot of work that she then deletes by putting a lot of work. In pitching this new category to her, maybe you also formulate why you think it is needed. Amorkuz ☎ 15:55, September 16, 2018 (UTC)

Category:Spouses

Hi, Category:Spouses (and the related Category:Time Lord Spouses or other similar) violate point one of Tardis:Don't over-categorise:

"Are too broad — People who at one time lived on Earth; Actors from the United Kingdom; Stories that include the TARDIS, and the like. Since all of these are extremely common virtues in the broader DWU, the category would add relatively little of value to the page. Moreover, the category would be very hard to ever complete."

We stay away from very broad categories because it would be way too hard to completely fill the category, and even if we could, it would be way too large to be of use. Category:Spouses of the Doctor is not a problem, as it refers to spouses of just one character: much easier to fill and it fits in another similar category, Category:Relatives of the Doctor.

Thanks for your attention, Shambala108 ☎ 02:44, September 18, 2018 (UTC)

Shared meta-universes

Hey, I've been looking at some of your recent additions concerning apparanetly shared meta-universes. I've begun a thread Thread:238065 on this topic in case there's a discussion that needs to be had, or there's something I've missed when I've been going through your edits. I couldn't find anything you might've noted in edit summaries / talk pages beyond your assertion that they're part of the same universe, which I'm not sure there's evidence of. Thanks. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:56, October 2, 2018 (UTC)

Pronoun Issue

Hi, could you please point me in the direction of where the pronoun issue is being discussed? I have left a post on the talk page of "The Doctor" page. Mysterious Editor ☎ 22:01, October 9, 2018 (UTC)

Bradley Walsh

Thanks for the eagle eyes!
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  16:33: Fri 12 Oct 2018

Football ticket

I'm not questioning that it's in the episode, but I didn't catch this myself. Where in Woman do we see Rahul's ticket to a football match on 14 September 2018?
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 21:46, October 14, 2018 (UTC)

When Ryan finds Rahul's computer with the video, we see it in the background. --DCLM ☎ 21:50, October 14, 2018 (UTC)

Dr. Men (series) and Adam Hargreaves

As on the Dr. Men (series) page 'They are listed by release order.' and not in Numerical Order can a note be left showing that's the case and about the webcast 'It was decided not to have a page for this.' I copied the link from the Adam Hargreaves page Mr Taz ☎ 20:45, October 21, 2018 (UTC)

Loci and perambulations

Thanks for double checking. I think we stumbled upon an issue that has not been resolved. You see, I did the exact same thing: spot-check and did not find a single vehicle marked as a "location visited by ... Doctor". Rather hilariously, I also checked Bessie. But also places like Valiant, SS Madame de Pompadour and Winton. But you are right that many are assigned to this category. What this means is that some editors think it applies and others think it doesn't. I myself considered whether to apply it, so I can see why people do it. Let me explain my hesitation about it. A location is supposed to be static and vehicles aren't. It is ridiculous to call Bessie a location as it is small, open and can be anywhere (including inside the TARDIS). As the vehicle size grows, the location monicker starts making more sense, but whether it passes the non-ambiguity criteria is a question. I thought about it and my first idea is to create a separate category Category:Vehicles visited by the Doctor with all respective subcategories. What do you think? Amorkuz ☎ 20:23, November 22, 2018 (UTC)

Great, just let me think a bit more about the title. Visiting vehicles is a bit weird. Amorkuz ☎ 23:04, November 22, 2018 (UTC)

Congrats

Hi! Congratulations on earning the 365 days badge in GoR. Way to go! Amorkuz ☎ 17:15, December 21, 2018 (UTC)

Thumbnails and category display

Thanks for the bug report!

Basically, all that's happened is that when the new category display system came online, it weighted the top-most (qualifying) images in the article as equally valid. Sometimes, but certainly not always, it chose the one in the body of the article over the infobox.

And for a lot of pages on a lot of wikis, that's really not an issue at all. A lot of times the highest-placed image in the body of an article is just as representative as the infobox image.

In those instances where the picture choice makes less sense, the fix is easy.

Basically, ya just edit the page again, and the infobox image automatically gets chosen. No biggie at all.

(But if you run into real stubbornness, you can temporarily remove the image you don't want it to have selected, publish the page without that image, then undo your removal. See this diff at Jack Harkness.)
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  01:30: Mon 24 Dec 2018

Haemovore

I recall reading about Sam Kent-Smith possibly being an uncredited Haemovore in Curse of Fenric, but I think someone added this on IMDb or Wikipedia without a source. Is there a reliable source which can verify this, otherwise we might remove it? --EpsilonGamma ☎ 13:17, December 30, 2018 (UTC)

I found this one link, however I don't think it can be considered reliable. http://www.shannonsullivan.com/drwho/serials/7m.html

Maybe one of the book sources the site uses might shed some light. --EpsilonGamma ☎ 13:24, December 30, 2018 (UTC)

If the wiki considers it reliable then it should be fine. If we can find the sources that the site used to verify it then that'd be really helpful. Doctor Who: The Handbook: The Seventh Doctor, Doctor Who: The Eighties, Doctor Who Magazine #225, “Archive: The Curse Of Fenric”, Doctor Who Magazine Special Edition #10, “Ride On Time”, In-Vision #103. --EpsilonGamma ☎ 13:33, December 30, 2018 (UTC)

Re: hangar page

Hi, we already have a Hangar page, so any instances of hangars can go on that page. Thanks, Shambala108 ☎ 03:41, January 5, 2019 (UTC)

Numbers

I still think there should be more parameters to what numbers deserve pages. What I did with the lettering, though, is simple:

Up to four digits: N 0026
Five (4+1) digits: N a22222
Six (4+2) digits: b
Seven (4+3) digits: c

And for really long numbers, z (4+24) is 28, so zz (4+24+24) would be 52 digits, and zx (4+24+22) is 50 digits. Keeps everything in the right order.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 15:33, January 20, 2019 (UTC)

Gravis

Hi, I saw that you recently added the Fifth Doctor companion category on Gravis. As we all know, the definition of companion isn't exactly clear, and was just wondering why you thought Gravis in particular would be considered as one? Thanks, 0003c9fe ☎ 06:38, January 29, 2019 (UTC)

Yana

The "recent messages" widget on the main Forum page says the most recent post on the Yana thread is one of yours, yet when I visit it I see no such post. Do you have any idea what's going on? Can you see your message on your own end? --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 22:27, February 4, 2019 (UTC)

Out of curiosity

What's Borisashton/Sandbox2 a list of? – N8 ☎ 14:56, April 4, 2019 (UTC)

Audios

Hi what are these The Fifth Doctor Adventures, The Sixth Doctor Adventures, The Seventh Doctor Adventures? No pages link to them. Thanks Shambala108 ☎ 22:03, May 4, 2019 (UTC)

Doctor Who auf Deutsch

I tried to leave as much information as is not harmful. To be honest, I do not know why English speakers would benefit from knowing the names of German actors voicing the Tenth Doctor Adventures in German. But at least this information is available on an English-language website and, hence, easily verifiable for an English speaker. In addition, the scope of the potential additions is limited as it pertains to one British company (Big Finish) and, in fact, to one range of its stories. So there may not be useful, but they do not make things worse. Thus, I left them be. 18:22, June 16, 2019 (UTC)

Lonely German dubbers

Hmm. Good one. Ordinarily, you would add them to the BTS section of the character. but Arne Fuhrmann voices unspecified roles. I guess, notes of the story can be used. Just please do not make it too long. One bullet point for all voice actors is quite enough. Amorkuz ☎ 18:01, June 17, 2019 (UTC)

Last Great Time War

Hi I saw your edit summary at Last Great Time War so I added the {{Inuse}} tag to it. That should keep anyone from editing it while you're working on it. Just remember to remove the tag when you're done. Shambala108 ☎ 01:50, August 19, 2019 (UTC)

Community discussion

Hi, thank you for your inquiry. You are quite right that a community discussion should have typically taken place. However, I would like to correct your timing. A community discussion should take place at Board:Inclusion_debates before stories are added to the wiki, not after. Granted, we do not discuss every story or series there. However, for stories from a new series and from a new source, which constitute a crossover with few individually owned elements of a non-licensed spin-off to Doctor Who and which shares no elements with Doctor Who proper, such discussion was quite pertinent. When LegoK9 wanted to add the story Death's Head: The Body in Question by a holder of Doctor Who license mentioning the Doctor and featuring an (non-sentient) character from Doctor Who Magazine, they did start an inclusion debate, but the story was ultimately deemed invalid (and not by me). Death's Head: The Body in Question is superior to the three stories from 10,000 Dawns in every Doctor Who respect, meaning that the latter would have most probably lost an inclusion debate on merits alone, even discounting the fact that they were posted on the author's online blog.

But, correct me if I somehow missed it, no such inclusion debate took place. Nor could I see any admin consulted on whether this was indeed such a open-and-shut case, on par with Series 12 (Doctor Who), that no inclusion debate was necessary. Without a community discussion in favour of inclusion, no such discussion need be held for deletion. And, unlike the inclusion, the decision to remove these stories from the wiki was taken jointly by three admin. I was simply assigned to implement this decision. Hope this clarifies things. Amorkuz ☎ 07:36, August 27, 2019 (UTC)

Ginesta or Genesta's TARDIS

Oh, I still CAN'T believe I made such a STUPID STUPID mistake on that page! Sorry about the mess!--Saint2 ☎ 19:48, September 8, 2019 (UTC)

Margaret (Companion Piece)

Hey, I saw you undid my edit. Is it for spoiler purposes and speculation (due to it not being confirmed that they're the same character yet (even though it's almost a certainty)) for an unreleased title? If so, I understand why part of it was removed. As for the first part, that's the same information as is on the Companion Piece page about the character. Sorry if I did something wrong though.

ThomasRWade ☎ 23:04, September 8, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply about this. I myself have taken a while also to see your reply (been busy with starting back at uni). Like I said, I understood your reasoning for the removal of part of my edit, but thanks for giving the ok to the part that wasn't against the spoiler policy. :)

ThomasRWade ☎ 14:46, September 28, 2019 (UTC)

Re: forum posts

Hi, first of all, kudos for posting your question on my talk page instead of the forum thread. And therein lies the answer to your question.

Five days ago, I made two posts on that thread, one asking users to stop personal attacks, and one to stop off-topic posts. After a couple of days, seeing that my instructions were ignored by multiple users throughout multiple posts, I have begun removing such posts. I am not going to remove any of the older posts, because some of them have been quoted (removing them would make an already difficult thread nearly impossible to understand); please note I am only removing posts that I catch soon after they have been posted.

Shambala108 ☎ 01:05, September 12, 2019 (UTC)

Really? That's the only two explanations you can come up with?

How about, I'm looking into the matter, but it takes time, and the combination of real world stuff plus having to constantly police that shouting match of an inclusion debate means that I haven't had a chance to finish yet. And since the matter is not directly your concern, you will perhaps allow that I should inform the original users in question first.

And please let this be the last post you make on my talk page questioning my motives and behavior about this matter thanks Shambala108 ☎ 15:57, September 12, 2019 (UTC)

Prisoner of the Daleks

Hi! Just a minor heads' up, but for whatever reason, the My First section on your user profile lists your first Doctor Who audio story as Prisoner of the Daleks, which is… a novel. Did you listen to it as an audiobook? Don't know if I'd describe it as an audio story even then. But either way, just thought I'd check. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 22:42, September 24, 2019 (UTC)

A few things

Hi, just to catch up on some things:

Thanks for the vandalism heads-up, it's been taken care of.
It's not a bug that the 10000 thread is not in Board:The Matrix Archives. When I close a recently debated thread, I leave it in the original board for a bit, because these boards, and especially The Matrix, are excruciatingly difficult to search, and I want to make it easier for those who have been reading/participating to find it. I'll move it pretty soon unless someone beats me to it.
I've left the issue of whether to allow 10000 to User:Amorkuz and the other two admins, since they were the ones who did the major amount of research into this issue.

I think that covers it, thanks Shambala108 ☎ 22:45, October 23, 2019 (UTC)

Hi, apologies, I was away from the wiki for a few days and when I came back I had several messages waiting for me. Somehow I answered a question you didn't ask and overlooked one you did ask.

Ignore the second bullet point above, that was someone else's question.

About the images and Tardis:Images and perspective, I'll just quote what User:CzechOut posted on my talk page about this subject: "This is at least one reason why covers are really images of last resort. They're not in-universe at all. And their purpose is only to sell a product, not to depict events that happened in the story." As you can see, he considers the out-of-universe images to be used only when there is nothing else available. I suggest asking him for more clarification, because I was merely enforcing what Tardis:Images and perspective and his comments say.

Thanks and sorry for the confusion. Shambala108 ☎ 23:34, October 24, 2019 (UTC)

re: Meta-Crisis Doctor Page

Hello, I wanted to reach out to you to hear you side before making any further edits.ibelieveinher ☎ 01:02, October 25, 2019 (UTC)

Main Range 2020

Actually it was confirmed this morning in a news release by Big Finish themselves on their website (the article in question is linked on the page already) that Lisa Greenwood and Miranda Raison will be appearing as Flip and Constance alongside Colin Baker in a trilogy next year. SarahJaneFan ☎ 15:05, November 30, 2019 (UTC)

Forum closings

Hi, please understand that you are not to ask any admins to close forum threads, at least for the rest of the year. You have asked just about every admin to close the (second) 10000 Dawns thread, and it should be obvious by now that most of them don't want to be involved. Based on the closing comments at Thread:221655, it has been established that most admins are familiar with any open thread and have various reasons for staying away. Repeatedly asking admins to come by and close it could be construed as harassment. Thanks Shambala108 ☎ 00:31, December 13, 2019 (UTC)

My apologies for the confusion. When you think of active admins, you naturally think of the list at Tardis:Administrators, but I tend to mentally cross off those who have rarely if ever posted in the last year or so. So for me the list of admins is pretty small. To make myself more clear, I count four admins that you have contacted. So, yes, that's not "just about every" of the active admins.

On an unrelated note, I don't know if you saw my response at your forum post about spoilers. I noticed it happening several months ago, but no one else on the admin staff seemed to care, and after some research I realized that User:CzechOut had changed the policy. To be clear, it used to be that we did not allow images that contained spoilers. When that did change, there seems to have been little notice. Now that someone else (you) has noticed it too, I've left him a message. It may take a while to hear back, especially during the holiday season. Shambala108 ☎ 01:59, December 13, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Discussion policy

Hi, I was specifically referring to the last point of Tardis:Discussion policy, and trying not to single anyone out or imply that users' input is not welcome on this wiki. Shambala108 ☎ 01:25, January 12, 2020 (UTC)

At this point I want to either close the thread and make someone start it anew, or avoid it completely. Shambala108 ☎ 01:28, January 12, 2020 (UTC)

Response

As usual, you completely misinterpreted my words, lumped them together, and easily refuted your own misrepresentation.

The last debate you opened is the third Arcbeatle debate, which you opened after disagreeing with the closure of the second Arcbeatle debate, also opened by you. You yourself, opening the third debate, described the preceding one as one "closed recently". If every user, unhappy about a thread closure, would try to find new facts to reopen the debate within two weeks of the closure, no admin will be willing to close debates. (Which is already happening, as witnessed by Thread:237184. That one, I daresay, is much less controversial than Arbeatle ones, and yet no admin is daring to close it for more than a year. At the same time, I severely regret closing Thread:213311 with validity and thereby spawning a small hydra of new inclusion debates. Let it be a warning to other admin: closing debates does not decrease their number, quite the contrary.)
The incessant posts asking someone to close the debate is something that already earned you a reprimand from an admin. You started your New Year's post to the thread with "I don't usually like posting more than two times in a row but it really is a shame nobody seems to be actively partaking in the debate anymore." It is this post, which did not bring anything new, that I was referring to.
Finally, to repeat SOTO's sentiment, I am the foremost expert on my thinking, so it is really funny when you tell me it was OS12's post I saw and not yours. Sorry to disappoint. I missed his post, but saw yours. I saw your New Year's present, looked at your surrounding edits, and from them, or more precisely, from the pages you edited, I learned something after which I could not keep silent any longer: namely, that Revan and James Wylder collaborated on the anthology well before the first debate.

What I propose you to consider, for the future, is this: wouldn't it have been better, for everyone, if you listened to Shambala108 and let the thread develop on its own. According to them, SOTO was preparing their arguments and probably would have closed the thread with validity before I ever learned the truth. Instead, the wiki is losing two admin. As Revan, I do not feel like contributing to this community anymore. After all, Wylder's contribution to the anthology was public knowledge. Clearly, many participants of the first debate were aware of it (and I was not yet suspicious enough to check). Not a single person thought to point out the conflict of interests. That would have been a show of good faith. But it would have weakened the case for validity, and so had to stay under wraps. Problem is: truth will always out. And can be more devastating when it does.

Apparently, nobody learned anything. After the inclusion debates of 2016-17, which left many participants in disgust, it really did not take long to start a new inclusion crusade. At least then it was about a whole subfranchise with a long DW history. While this one caused seemingly more casualties and happened before a single commercial publication. Was it worth it? Would you open another thread in two weeks if this one is not reopened and closed with validity? Amorkuz ☎ 00:28, January 15, 2020 (UTC)

Images

Why did you remove images? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Soviet08 (talk • contribs) .

Mate what the hell what I just put on the page was my own screenshot Soviet08 ☎ 06:48, January 20, 2020 (UTC)

Sandbox

I offer assistance with your sandbox, specifically User:Borisashton/Sandbox6.--MrThermomanPreacher ☎ 13:09, January 24, 2020 (UTC)

Message on wall

Thanks for leaving me a message (and thinking to), I've been keeping an eye how it's been unfolding and wanted to give an ample amount of time for things to progress reasonably. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:53, January 31, 2020 (UTC)

Singular they

Singular "they" is not fine. I know exactly what motivates the users of this page to use it and I will not stand by such motivations. He or She is the standard English. You don't have to like it, but you do have to use it. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Unbanned reality talk (talk • contribs) .

You'll have to live with it. That's all I can say. And it's perfectly fine. --DCLM ☎ 13:48, February 5, 2020 (UTC)

NOTE: As per the message from User:Tangerineduel below, I have hidden the messages from this subheading that descended into violations of T:NPA. The full conversation is still visible in the source code for those that wish to view it. Policy violating messages were from User:Unbanned reality talk with additional messages from User:Danniesen. --Borisashton ☎ 15:55, February 5, 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hide the text, as per the Tardis:Vandalism policy or archive the page. It is useful to maintain these streams of messages for future sock puppetry blocks. However given the level of personal attacks on your talk page I can understand if you wish to remove it, please note the user's name / IP address in the description to make it simpler to locate their edits. --Tangerineduel / talk 15:27, February 5, 2020 (UTC)

Re: images

Hi I know there is a forum policy somewhere recently where we discussed this. For some reason (probably a counter intuitive title) I can't find it yet. But for now, there is this: User talk:BananaClownMan#Re: Image debate, where User:CzechOut spells out the reasoning. I'll continue to search for the forum discussion and post it here when/if I find it. Shambala108 ☎ 00:25, February 15, 2020 (UTC)

Well, this turned out to not be as recent as I thought. Thread:247943 was closed in July, so I apparently didn't go back far enough. Shambala108 ☎ 00:32, February 15, 2020 (UTC)

Just checking up

Thanks for your kind words. I, too, hope you're doing well in your part of the world. Admittedly, I'm afraid world events have rather overtaken both my personal and professional life here at Fandom. I hope you understand if I say that Covid-19 has obviously upset our collective apple carts, and that I'll be getting to 10K Dawns as soon as things are a bit more settled.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  17:51: Wed 25 Mar 2020

Re:Untitled stories

Hi, I'm pretty busy with work right now, and don't have a lot of time to spend on the wiki, but I will get to your request in a couple of weeks or so. If I haven't done so in about a month, please remind me thanks. Shambala108 ☎ 01:17, March 28, 2020 (UTC)

Hi I haven't looked that deeply into your question yet, but at first glance, I need to know whether the titles you cited in the forum post come from series? Because that's what Tardis:Parts of a series without clear individual titles seems to be addressing. Thanks Shambala108 ☎ 02:22, April 17, 2020 (UTC)

Admin nomination

Hey there :) I'm really sorry to have to do this, but I've had to pull your admin nomination completely.

Plagiarism is a very serious offence, violative of not just local rules but also Fandom's ToU. Original copy is vital not just for the integrity of the project but also for SEO reasons. Copying text from another site to Tardis means that our ranking in organic search engines goes down, and therefore fewer people visit. And it's always possible that your several acts of plagiarism could have led to any number of takedown notices from the copyright holders. In other words, plagiarism does demonstrable harm to the project. It's not like failing to use British English or emplacing too many images on a page. It's a Big Damn Deal.

That's why a permanent ban would have been justified at the time, but, after discussion, I pulled it back to just 5 months. Had the original proposed ban gone through, you probably wouldn't have been able to have continued editing here enough to have been proposed as an admin today.

Still, we've never allowed someone with such a lengthy ban consequent to Fandom ToU violations to become an admin, and it would be inappropriate to do so now.

I hope that this doesn't discourage you from editing here. You've done good work in the couple of years that followed. And in that sense I'm glad my argument for a lesser ban won the day. But, just as in real life, plagiarism has long-lasting effects upon the people that commit it. The most central of these is that, with great regret, I can't in good conscience allow you to be considered for an adminship.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  18:14: Sat 25 Apr 2020

Audio cast stubs

Hi, thanks for the message. I did block the user, but it was a short block, more to get his attention rather than to punish. So hopefully he will not continue that editing pattern. Thanks Shambala108 ☎ 14:16, April 28, 2020 (UTC)

RE: technical things

Hey! I forgot to respond, but I've taken care of your requests. For the reprint issue, instead of removing the autolinking feature (which would deprive us of all the data at Property:Reprint), I made it so the template automatically italicises the input if the second word is not a number. So anything following the format of "SMTHNG 112" will display without italics, and "Some Anthology" will display as Some Anthology. If you have to input something like "Anthology 4 for the Stars" or "Señor 105 and the Return of Some Old Iris Wildthyme Short Stories", I'm afraid you're gonna have to use the {{!}} trick, but The Tenth Doctor Archives: Volume 2 or Doctor Who The Official Annual 2020 won't be a problem.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 01:21, June 3, 2020 (UTC)

About "Spearhead from Space"

Your revisions of "Spearhead from Space," some of which involved correcting my errors, made points that I found well taken. I stand admonished for having been wrong.
Parker Gabriel (SCC-47106) 20:29, June 10, 2020 (UTC)

Gulliver Edit

Hi, so the reason behind the edit wasn't so much that it wasn't contradicted, but more that the page isn't merged with Goth, so I felt that there was a reason that the pages were separate. Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived ☎ 19:38, June 18, 2020 (UTC)

Well, it does mention that Goth is Gulliver in Future Imperfect, at least according to the page. But yeah, you make an interesting point. Maybe in the future multiple pages for the Gullivers could be created? Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived ☎ 19:46, June 18, 2020 (UTC)

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 Hi, so the reason behind the edit wasn't so much that it wasn't contradicted, but more that the page isn't merged with Goth, so I felt that there was a reason that the pages were separate. [[User:Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived|Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived]] [[User talk:Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:38, June 18, 2020 (UTC)
+: Well, it does mention that Goth is Gulliver in ''Future Imperfect'', at least according to the page. But yeah, you make an interesting point. Maybe in the future multiple pages for the Gullivers could be created? [[User:Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived|Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived]] [[User talk:Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:46, June 18, 2020 (UTC)

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