User talk:CzechOut

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Hello to you too

Hello Czech; it's been a while. Nice to be back, but I wish I'd arrived earlier as university beckons once more. I see you have been busy; the wiki has certainly benefited from some fine tuning. These changes were present in a nascent form before my extended leave, so it's interesting to see how they worked out. That said, I do miss some of the quirks, such as the prefixes, and the old guard are notable in their absence.

Unfortunately, I do find myself at a bit of a loss when it comes to the latest policies, so I'll have to dip into that at some point. I had to look to the community for help using the new infobox too.

On a side note, and you may already be aware of this, but I'm experiencing a technical issue that causes the stub and {{wikipediainfo}} templates to float in the middle of my screen, as opposed to the left/right hand side. I'm not sure if you've changed them, but I'm pretty sure they never did that when you first introduced them. I'm using Windows 7 Chrome if that helps.

Anyway, nice to hear from you.--Skittles the hog - talk 18:00, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Help With Infobox

Hi, I was recently added the cover pictures for The Ghosts of Gralstead and there are three of them. I have done the usual trick in the infobox but it doesn't show the third image, I am assuming this is a quirk of the coding, is there a way round this? Adric♥Nyssa∩Talk? 21:59, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, thought there would be a simple solution. Adric♥Nyssa∩Talk? 16:03, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

The Promised Land

When you deleted the page, I was trying to make it so that an admin would know to change it. Also, why didn't you just change the name? Please reinstate it with the real name. Rufus 05:26, September 12, 2014 (UTC) 120d User talk:120d

Re:Tophat Templates

Okay. Also, please do not delete pages in the future, just rename them. It was just a mistake. Rufus 05:31, September 12, 2014 (UTC) 120d (I am not going to add all of the talk page and user page info because it is in the message above)

First, The Promised Land had more information than most of the pages on this wiki. Saying that it should be deleted because it only has one sentence means you should delete all of the other planets that have appeared in books that have one sentence on them. Second, It was not speculation, it was pure evidence. Its an actual location and the Doctor thought it was just heaven. Third, why not have it now and add information when we get it? It seems like it would be better to have it now and add the info as it is revealed than to try to remember all of the information at one time later in the series or in the next series. Fourth, I am sorry that I couldn't get a better free image one week after it premieres. I don't like you people and your image rules. All of the other rules seem to make sense, but the image rules seem to be the least logical and the most enforced. What you admins do is, if it breaks one tiny rule, you have to go and delete it. I am glad that you didn't delete my image. (let's hope you haven't or someone else hasn't by the time you are reading this) Don't delete an image because it is not good quality or because it doesn't have a license on it. For the quality part, keep the best quality image and once a better quality image is found replace the image. For the license part, talk to the person who uploaded the image. Maybe they didn't know about the rules. I know that the rules say that you don't have to talk to us, but that is what a member of the community would do. I am pretty sure that there is not a rule that says you should be a jerk about it. (Sorry, some of this was misdirected anger. I am angry at another admin. (who I think should be demoted)) (also, sorry if this took too long to be sent, part of the reason is that I am not used to having to go to the other person's talk page. Personally, I prefer Message Walls over Talk pages. They seem easier.) Rufus 05:54, September 12, 2014 (UTC) 120d

• I see your point. I am glad you were nice about it. I would love to know your opinion on Talk Pages vs. Message Walls. I am sure that if you read this without prior knowledge of the conversation, you would be confused. Rufus 21:13, September 12, 2014 (UTC) User:120d User talk:120d

Re: Images

I see your point. However, if one image exists of that topic, even if it is low quality, then should it be deleted? Rufus 21:13, September 12, 2014 (UTC) User:120d User talk:120d

Re: Signatures

This entire message would have had to be written if you had message walls. I advise you to examine the pros and cons of both message walls and talk pages. If you decide that you think message walls are better, I advise you to talk to other admins and users to get their opinion. Also, this is an example of a rule that is taken way too seriously. I would have definitely put my full signature, if it wasn't the message above. Rufus 21:13, September 12, 2014 (UTC) User:120d User talk:120d

Internet Video Database

I know that on most wikis, I am not able to promote other wikis on some pages, but if you want to check it out sometime just click the link in the heading.

Re:Message Walls

When was the last time you discussed it? The reason that I am asking this is because if it has been awhile people might have changed their minds or might think that it is time for a change. Personally, I believe that the advantages of message walls outweigh the disadvantages. It seems more of a hassle to have to go back at forth and possibly not respond if the person didn't get the message. The message wall system allow people to get messages easier and it is all in one place. There is also no need to remember to write your "talk page" or username information. Rufus 22:37, September 12, 2014 (UTC) 120d User talk:120d

Two things: 1. I don't like when people say that something will happen or something won't happen. You have no idea what the future of this wiki is. Maybe, in a few years, talk pages will be removed from Wikia all together. I don't know and neither do you. 2. Please stop starting your sentences with "and". It is bad grammar. Rufus 08:37, September 13, 2014 (UTC) 120d User talk:120d

Re: Image Deletion

You know, I never liked following rules that aren't actually rules. (I am talking about the last sentence in your message) I suggest you read the entire thing before doing anything.

I am starting to think that you people don't want me to contribute on this wiki. Ever since I started editing people have harassed me about doing thing wrong. At first, it was basic, reasonable things like using British English. But it soon became absolutely ridiculous things. If you are not a mad man, then tell me how night pictures are bad (especially one that was clearly not dark) and file names being bad is a reason for it to be deleted. I think that you admins like to be as lazy as possible. I know for a fact that all admins have the ability to rename images. You can probably also change licensing much easier than a normal user can. I am sick of admins coming up with bull crap reasons to block me or delete my contributions. "You disagreed with my point of view and the vague rules that are up to interpretation, but only MY interpretation. Block!" "You said one bad thing during Christmas time, the time of being nice. (The following action goes against what I just mentioned) Block!" "Your image was not correctly licensed. Delete!" "Your image was taken at night, in my opinion doesn't clearly show the topic, (which it does (by the way, I would have uploaded a cropped photo of the building, but I knew you were going to harass me about not having it be a widescreen image.) and has a name that is not easily searchable (which isn't the point of an image on a wiki (the point of an image on a wiki is to convey a scene or point that is in an article or template or to represent an article.) Delete!" "The name of your article was incorrect. (You did give me good reasons after the fact, but the fact remains that the reason you gave to delete that article is that the name was incorrect.) Delete!" I hope you see my point. Also, the image did show the scene was. Anyone who has seen the episode knows that Rose Tyler's work is about to explode. I am going to re-upload my image with a different name. Please don't delete it because of these ridiculous rules. I have proven that the name thing is the only thing that I think is reasonable to change. Something that you and Shambala108 cannot seem to understand is that you should talk to the people before you delete. We are all trying to contribute to this wiki. Your job is to not allow spoilers and vandalism, make sure everyone is nice (not necessarily agreeing), and make sure that all information is up to date and well-written. I can honestly say that right now there is no such thing as a Doctor Who wiki community. Right now, there is are two classes: the admins and their followers. Some of us don't want to be followers. It doesn't matter how long you have been here or what abilities you have. All that matters is that you are all fans of Doctor Who and want to contribute to this wiki. I think that there needs to be a change in the rules; a change that would allow all users to be equal and not have to follow ridiculous rules. Just because they are the wiki's rules doesn't mean they are good. Rufus 15:37, September 16, 2014 (UTC) 120d User talk:120d

I understand what you have written. I have a few things I wanted to mention. First, you used "and" at the beginning of a sentence again; please stop. Second, isn't the caption supposed to be what tells a person who has never seen the what it is about. Third, you keep talking about the image as if it wasn't on the article. I feel like you keep going from specific to the topic to all things that topic is contained in in the same sentence. Fourth, you are mistaken on what I think an admins job is. The things I gave were just some of the general responsibilities of a admin. I am saying that you shouldn't bring up naming as a reason to delete a page or picture, if you can change the name yourself. Same with licensing if you can change it easily. I do not think that admins are maids. I am an admin on other wikis and would never like to be called a maid. Fifth, I don't like that you, and I don't know this, but it might be because you are an admin, think that other admins are good admins. Do you think that I should have been blocked for adding spoilers? I believe that i had stopped at that point, but he or she still blocked me. I don't remember what I said, but do you think that I should have been blocked for saying something mean? (Personally, I think that one is uncalled for. The first one I didn't like, but this was just no okay.) I am pretty sure that I didn't swear. As far as my memory goes, I have only sworn once on a wiki and it was not on this wiki. You cannot say that all admins do the right thing all of the time because they do not. Rufus 17:52, September 16, 2014 (UTC) 120d User talk:120d

I was told never to start a sentence with "and". It is definitely not formal. Also, my past with Encyclopedia SpongeBobia has no relevance to this. I left on my own accord and was removed from power for blocking people. (By the way, I forgot to point out earlier that I have never been banned on a wiki) Also, I believe you mean "the admins over at...". I do not believe that all of your rules are ridiculous. I have never stated once that I am not obligated to follow your rules. I have a suggestion. I think that a guideline page for characters and locations should be made. It would help me and others a lot on what we can and cannot write on a character and location page. Rufus 22:35, September 16, 2014 (UTC) 120d User talk:120d

I know this is (was) a personal discussion but I would like to rudely butt in with another low-edit-count user's POV. I side with Rufus/120d here: I was essentially driven off the Star Wars Wookieepedia wiki after only a few attempts at participation by admins and admin-wannabes who were rather rude, arrogant, and abrasive in the ways they applied the policies (some of which are indeed, like Rufus charged, rather dependent on personal interpretation). Yes, I understand that you admins and your clique of followers desire a well-running, accurate wiki, but it doesn't excuse the consistent rudeness I've seen while reading the edit histories of both Wookieepedia and Tardis Core articles and the talk pages of admins and users alike, often exacerbated or even initiated by said admins and their adherents. I would love to be a contributor myself, but after being burned the first time I am very reluctant to return to being a wiki contributor.

Yes, you guys do try to explain why you changed something after you make the changes, but it's the fact that you (or the bots you are responsible for) summarily changed something that a user (especially a new one) probably worked really hard to contribute that really hurts people. And when they try to explain why it shouldn't be changed they often get a response that comes across really rudely. (Trust me--I've been reading pages for the last hour or two and have seen a definite pattern.) My bottom line is that if other users give you an earful about this stuff, LISTEN TO THEM. Don't just push your own side and ignore them! Rules are OK, but when they become a source of constant friction between new, enthusiastic contributors and the high-up admins/wannabes, pay attention! Rufus is right--it's not a welcoming community anymore when that happens; it's effectively a gated community that new guys like me and Rufus either have to navigate the complicated path into (and no matter how good your rules might be, they're really complicated and, as I mentioned before, more subjectively applied than I think you realize), or else get burned out and scared away in the attempt. I know you've probably heard this crap before, and I know your instinctive response is going to be to disagree completely, but please just think about what I'm saying and consider whether you and other admins, and your close followers, could use a bit of working on not coming across as complete jerks.

Finally, I know you're probably aching to mention that Rufus was ignoring repeated warnings. Yeah, I saw that. And that the whole spoilers guideline set is pretty clear. Yes, it is. But my point is that the problem extends to more than just that. As I said, I got burned pretty badly as someone who was trying to understand and interpret the rules correctly when I originally started contributing at Wookieepedia. It's not just vandals, it's not just spammers, it's not just belligerent numbskulls that your rules are catching and tripping. It's also guys like me who just want to participate but are having trouble getting the hang of what is accepted, often with raised eyebrows, and what is condemned and more often than not killed with figurative fire. Whether or not Rufus has been fighting you on a legitimate basis, I feel several of his criticisms of you and Shambala are rather accurate and can be extended to a lot of the "experienced" wiki admins/editors/users. So all I'm asking is that you guys start being a bit more honest with yourselves and not just act like the fault lies solely on the part of the newer users who keep "messing things up." Because I'm pretty sure it isn't. Deal? Milar Kayne ☎ 09:26, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

Image format gaffe

Thank you for pointing out my mistake regarding the proper image format. I'm still very new to this wikia, and now I can see the image policy has a few notable differences from the one I'm used to. I'll be more vigilant in the future. --Lelal Mekha ^(Parlour) 15:47, September 16, 2014 (UTC)

Green coat

Thanks for that information.

I remember that discussion, which was for Totem.

I've read a lot of ST & Benny short stories, and the funny thing about them is that the authors don't feel the least bit hampered by the short page length. There is more variety in storytelling methods in the short stories than in the novels. Sometimes, the authors won't always "fill in the blanks" for the reader by stating outright, "This story features such and such Doctor". But they often do include certain hints with which viewers of the television show will be familiar. Based on my observations, it's much more likely that a story features one of the first 8 Doctors (Anghelides' future Doctor excepted) rather than a possible future incarnation. Shambala108 ☎ 19:35, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Images

Your remarks and advices are duly noted. It seems I went too far with the "crop images to show just the relevant subject" principle. As I told Shambala earlier today, I'm still struggling not to muddle up the Wookieepedia policies and habits—which I've been used to for 8 years—and those that apply here. I'm afraid I relied too much on my assumptions and got on a roll too quickly. --Lelal Mekha ^(Parlour) 22:34, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

New Hidden Category

Hi. I've created a new hidden category:http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Pages_with_Behind_the_Scenes_sections. I thought it might be useful to keep track of articles with BTS sections. Some users don't seem to understand what a "valid source" is so they put information that should be in the BTS section in the body of the article. However, when I turn off hidden categories in my preferences I still see it alongside the other categories. I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong. Can you please help me? Slughorn42 ☎ 00:31, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Question

Hey, I hope you don't mind me passing on the following message, as I didn't want to make the wrong decision. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 01:32, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Shambala. I wanted to know your opinion about something I just discovered—and I hope you'll forgive me if that particular matter has already been discussed and solved by the community. I saw the BBC sold TARDIS type 40 plaques on its website, saying they are exact replicas of the one that was found on the interior of the Series 5- 7 TARDIS. At the beginning, I was skeptical about this, but I ended up discovering that plaque could indeed be seen in Amy's Choice. (It's a blink-and-you-miss-it appearance, and you really have to pause the episode at the right frame to see it, but it's there.) Now, I'm not sure this can be considered canonical, because it may be an Easter egg. That's why I didn't go ahead and didn't create an article on the Gallifrey Blackhole Shipyards. In fact, I'm doubting of the plaque's canonicity because it says the Doctor's TARDIS was built in 1963. Somehow, I don't think it sounds right, but I may be mistaken. What do you think? Cheers. --Lelal Mekha ^(Parlour) 18:27, September 21, 2014 (UTC)

New CC template

Hi there. I was motivated to create Template:Cc-by-2.0 to accurately license an image, since we didn't have that particular one yet. Could I please pester you to lock it and add it to the other image licencing templates on the upload page? — Rob T Firefly - Δ∇ - 16:34, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

Re: prize

Thanks for the kind words, but I'm not interested in a prize. Shambala108 ☎ 14:40, October 4, 2014 (UTC)

Prize?

• Sorry, what's the prize? Is it that TARDIS tote bag featured on the main page? Slughorn42 ☎ 15:21, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

I have it. MystExplorer ☎ 18:51, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Full stops

No problem! I'm bear that in mind in future. --GusF ☎ 06:19, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Adopting various policies for my own Wiki

Hey CzechOut,

I only wanted to let you know that, because this wiki is so established and well organised, I have been using various policies of your's as well as copying over templates (modifying them slightly) to my own wiki over at UCOS, otherwise known as the New Tricks wiki.

Despite being created over 8 months ago, there is still a lot of work to do with the top priority being to add tons of content in order to reduce those stubs!

I'm in the process of merging with the other New Tricks Wiki to make it less confusing to new folk.

What I need help with is getting some dedicated admins to help fill in missing content - I can only do so much without compromising Uni work!

Anyway, it's nice to meet you - accept this virtual handshake,

Scott

Scott Davidson ☎ 20:50, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Re: double posting

No problem, I didn't even know he/she had responded to my post. Shambala108 ☎ 02:40, October 31, 2014 (UTC)