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Due to the current lack of a proper forum system, this temporary forum system has been created as a stand-in to allow essential community discussions to take place. This system will be used until the regular system is re-instated by those with the power to do so.

To propose a thread for discussion, add it to the bottom of the table in the proposed threads section below. If you would like an already created thread to be discussed, you can sign your name next to the proposed thread to show support.

To maximise the number of topics and issues that can be discussed in as short a time as possible, there can only be 6 active threads at once, each with a timelimit of 3 weeks. This is to encourage people to focus on a small number of issues rather than try to tackle too much and lose focus. If no consensus has been reached in this time limit, the thread will be closed as unresolved and may be discussed further at a later date. Threads closed as unresolved will be added to the bottom of the proposal table where they must regain signatures to be discussed again. When a current thread is closed, the thread idea with the most support (tiebroken by precedence)[1] will be selected from the proposal table to be discussed next. A discussion space for it will then be created by an admin in one of the slots listed below.

When proposing threads, please bear in mind that they should be actionable within the timelimit and that they should affect a large number of pages or otherwise have a significant impact on the wiki and its readers. Proposed threads that don't meet these criteria may not be selected for discussion, at least until other threads that do meet these criteria have been discussed. Note that this does mean that, while you may still propose and support these proposals, specific validity debates about specific stories or series may not be selected for discussion in the immediate future as they generally do not have a wide enough impact on the wiki as a whole.

Current threads

Only 6 threads can be open at once, each with a timelimit of 3 weeks.

Thread slot Thread topic Deadline for consensus
Slot 1 Non-narrative fiction and Rule 1 24th February
Slot 2 IU DAB terms 13th March
Slot 3 Redoing the main page transmats and theme to bring it all up to date with the current era and branding and highlight more non-televised media. 10th March
Slot 4 Content warning templates 5th March
Slot 5 Validity debate: Scream of the Shalka 11th March
Slot 6 Overhauling image policies 14th March

Proposed threads

To propose a topic to be discussed, please add it to the "thread topic" column of this table, alongside your name (see below for how to add it easily).

To support a pre-existing proposal, add your name to the "support" column by entering "~~~" (note that this is only 3 "~", not the usual 4, as the date your signature was added is not important) as a new argument in the {{PS}} template: in short, before "}}", type "|~~~".

When an admin has decided to greenlight the proposed thread, they will indicate this in the "verdict" column, and the thread can be opened in one of the "slots" in the above section.

You don't need to have prepared a full opening post before your proposition is greenlit, but it can be a good idea, particularly for complex proposals. You can type out such a "draft OP" as a sandbox, and link to it in your proposal on the table. If you go this route, when the admin greenlights your thread, they will move your sandbox directly to the relevant slot's namespace.

Thread topic Support Verdict
Finding an alternative to using "(TV story)" for episodes that do not actually constitute a story, e.g. The Empty Child and The Halloween Apocalypse
Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎
General validity debate for "commercial stories" such as DWBIT Dalek Wars and Big Finish Productions webcasts.
MrThermomanPreacher ☎
Validity debate: Dermot and the Doctor
MrThermomanPreacher ☎
Re-examining and discussing how the wiki understands "valid sources" and a potential proposed major change to T:VS to eliminate bias and arbitrary restrictions, hopefully preceding any validity inclusion debates. (Note: this itself does not intend to change the validity status of any sources, but is for when they are discussed.)
Chubby Potato ☎
Validity debate: An Adventure in Space and Time
MrThermomanPreacher ☎
Validity debate: Doctor Who: Legacy
MrThermomanPreacher ☎
Validity debate for the "alternate reality" online games (The Last Dalek, K9: Deja Who, Daleks v Cybermen).
MrThermomanPreacher ☎
Validity debate: Introduction to the Night
MrThermomanPreacher ☎
The usage of galleries on in-universe articles in the same vein as Memory Alpha (example).
MrThermomanPreacher ☎
Validity debate: Biographies of Authors in The Book of the Enemy. Should be easy to solve within three weeks, but needs a thread.
Najawin ☎
Formalizing some language into T:BOUND relating to how "policy" also means on this wiki "the way we currently do things".
Najawin ☎
Formal rules regarding navboxes, similar to T:IBOX.
Najawin ☎
Discuss conflict of interest rules regarding relatives/close friends editing wiki pages. See Russell McGee.
Najawin ☎
"Splitting" UNIT. The UNIT page shouldn't cover info that really belongs on UNIT-UK, but there is more naunce to this I can't explain briefly here.
Interpreting the "neutral" in Tardis:Neutral point of view on in-universe pages.
Chubby Potato ☎
Changing/tweaking of the Tardis:Video policy.
Danniesen ☎
Validity debate: Doctor Who? and The Daft Dimension.

WaltK

Changing/tweaking of the Tardis:Guide to images.
Danniesen ☎
Adding "unproduced" to dab terms of unproduced stories: for instance, Creatures of Habit (unproduced comic story)
n8 (☎)
Differentiating between unproduced and unreleased stories (e.g. Absent Friends)
WaltK
Determining whether LEGO Dimensions trailers, spotlight videos and the like that only contain DWU links via gameplay footage (as opposed to specially-made footage) actually qualify for pages.
WaltK
Using the "Support/Oppose/Neutral/Lukewarm" structure to organize these forum discussions.
How exactly do we treat the Casanova crossover?
MrThermomanPreacher ☎
Changing/tweaking of Tardis:Don't over-wikify.
Danniesen ☎
Working out the most optimal way to cover alternate reality games. As they typically comprise of one narrative, and virtually every other resource on the internet treats each ARGs as a single story, we should not split it up in the way we have with FindTheDoctor (series), for example.
In/validating information that only appears in foreign language translations (see GoldenEye 007)
WaltK
Loosely related to the above: creating a series of "DWU around the world" pages, that go in depth about DWU media as it is presented in non-English-speaking regions (stuff like when it first arrived in that region, what has and hasn't been localised there, listing any notable translation quirks, et al.), with it being emphasised that no info from these pages should spill out onto the rest of the wiki unless editorially justified.
WaltK
Splitting the Doctor's sonic screwdriver
MrThermomanPreacher ☎
Validity debate: Attack of the Graske
MrThermomanPreacher ☎
Discuss creating a proper footer navbox to link all incarnations and versions of the Doctor (as opposed to the tiny, limited navbox currently seen under the infobox).
PintlessMan ☎
Discussion on further reduction of pages related to derogatory language/slurs, with relevant information being reformatted and consolidated into Racism and Homophobia, where it can be presented in its fullest context.
JDPManjoume ☎
Invalidity debate: The Curse of Fatal Death
Najawin ☎
Validity debate: Fourth wall-breaking sources such as COMIC: Pugwash Ahoy!, especially as episodes of Doctor Who itself break the fourth wall (e.g. "The Feast of Steven"), and are unquestionably valid.
Cookieboy 2005 ☎
In contrast to the mere validity discussion User:Cookieboy 2005 is suggesting, I suggest we open up a larger discussion about how this wiki handles varying levels of metafiction in general, such as Life-Cycle or The Editor.
Najawin ☎
1 supporter
Discussion of "Quickstart" guides and "cliffsnotes" recaps in preparation for the 60th and beyond, either in their own namespace, or in the theory namespace. (See discussion on updating our main page theme.)
Najawin ☎
Figuring out the exact context of the jokes in the Knock! Knock! Who's There? joke book.
WaltK
2 supporters
Discussion of how best to cover lost media with missing narrative details, and a new set of templates a la {{unprod}} and {{unproduced stories}} to go alongside. This also covers unreleased stories, depending on how we decide to interpret "lost media".
Overhauling our citation system, including citation templates and clarifying prefix policy.
n8 (☎)
Clarifying the exact nature of The Trial of a Time Lord and Flux
Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎
Creating guidelines to determine which characters should be considered companions in story infoboxes
Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎
Validity Debate: Children's Ward
Tellymustard ☎
Validity debate: The Dr. Men series.
WaltK
2 supporters
Clarify T:DON'T COPY to reallow Timewalkerauthor's story summaries, which were removed because he had also posted them to his blog.
n8 (☎)
Reopening discussion, that was taking place in the deleted forums, of replacing "etc" with "et al" in sourcing.
Najawin ☎
The introduction of unnamed individuals (and potentially other objects) pages in the same vein as Memory Alpha.
MrThermomanPreacher ☎
1 supporter
Discussion regarding the reduction of human anatomy pages in favour of more consolidated pages. Along with discussion about potential page protection & what constitutes a 'reasonable' inclusion for such pages.
JDPManjoume ☎
Discussion on what to do with certain previously-highlighted pages of a mature nature, in terms of potential consolidation.
JDPManjoume ☎
Reconsideration of Doctor Who Guide as a valid source for casting information (on grounds of direct Wikipedia & IMDB lifts, and their unclear verification on their open-submission acceptance of biographies.)
JDPManjoume ☎
Renaming Children in Need Special (TV story) to Born Again (TV story) or Untitled (CiN TV story), while establishing that pages named [[Untitled ([SERIES] [SOURCE MEDIUM])]] are placeholder names and should ideally be named with the first — or most widely accepted — name given.
Renaming Tenth Doctor (Journey's End) to Meta-Crisis Doctor on the basis that a. the name has been used in valid sources and b. the Fugitive Doctor and Unbound Doctor precedents.
Discussion of Category:Non-heterosexual real world people and Category:Non-cisgender real world people - we need to have a real discussion on these two since a lot of the arguments used against them explicitly violate T:BOUND and we need to work out how to proceed. (This can also discuss the proposed category for POC real world people.)
Najawin ☎
Validity debate: the letters from the Doctor at the beginning of Doctor Who Adventures issues.
WaltK
1 supporter
Standardising "(disambiguation)" as a dab term for all disambiguation pages, to avoid confusion on whether a given dabless page e.g. Abby is a primary topic or a dab page, and thus, reduce rampant incorrect linking.
Scrooge MacDuck ⊕
Inclusion debate: The LEGO Batman Movie, as it featured licensed usage of the Daleks, and seems to have originally been specifically discluded due to people falsely believing it to be unlicensed.
Cookieboy 2005 ☎
2 supporters
Introducing subpages for plot summaries.
Bongo50 ☎
Potentially changing the fine text of T:VS (and, more specifically, the "four little rules") away from requesting stories be set in "THE Doctor Who Universe", and towards the stories being set in "A Doctor Who Universe". This minor change would help us enforce T:CANON more consistently, as we would no longer insist a story be consistent with the BBC Wales incarnation of the show for it to be counted as valid.
OS25🤙☎️
Creating a real world page about this very Wiki and reviewing our T:NO SELF REF policy due to some obvious issues it'll cause.
Changing Rule 2 of T:VS to allow certain unlicensed content, for example The Cushing Books
Danniesen ☎
0 supporters
Expanding subpage usage to include the non-controversial elements of the original proposal: /Plot; /Other realities; /Non-valid sources and {{NCmaterial}}; /Gallery; et al.
n8 (☎)
Italicising story titles within disambiguation terms. E.g., Ninth Doctor (Scream of the Shalka) instead of Ninth Doctor (Scream of the Shalka). This could easily be done with a bot.
Utilising promotional pictures of the Doctor for {{docpic}} — or the tabbed gallery that @Bongo50 proposed — instead of relying on bad, low-res screenshots. Images like File:Docpic15.jpg is horrendous. We could use Jeremy Enecio's illustrations, for example. Changes to Tardis:Image use policy to allow promotional images may need to be discussed.
Validity of the 10,000 Dawns crossovers (Rachel Survived, White Canvas, The Gendar Conspiracy, Birthdays are Made for Memories and Sonnenblumen)
Borisashton
Converting {{you may}} and {{dab page}} into a Hatnote a la Wikipedia's, considering... certain formatting issues it's creating.
See how bad this is?
Formalising/codifying a deadname policy (which could also be inclusive of personal identity in general) that also overrides T:NO RW, as currently our policies would force us to deadname any in-universe counterpart of a real world person who was mentioned/appeared prior to their real world transistion, which is harmful.
A Wookieepedia-style overhaul of how we source things, in particular the use of "ref name" (example).
MrThermomanPreacher ☎
1 supporter
The incorporation of mentions/references and archival footage appearances in Appearances pages.
MrThermomanPreacher ☎
Introducing fields for pronouns in {{Infobox Individual}} and {{Infobox Person}} based upon Wookiepedia's recent update.
Making a more detailed guide as to what does and doesn't constitute getting a page under the Real world series with DWU connections category.
WaltK ☎
Validity debate: The Doctor Appears and The Doctor Drops In.
WaltK ☎
A couple of things about dating certain stories: 1) making a rule about citing an in-narrative source for a story's setting, and 2) interpreting a story set in "the present" as being set in the year of release unless evidence from other stories say otherwise.
WaltK ☎
Incorporating a more define usage of the actor section of character infoboxes; "actor" for when the character has the same actor in television and audio, and "main actor" for when they are replaced with a "main voice actor" for audio dramas, while "actor" is used when they just have "other voice actors" replaying their portrayals.
BananaClownMan ☎
Working out a consistent naming scheme for alternate universes/timelines/realities etc as opposed to naming them all things like Jackie Reeve's universe, Godfrey Porter's universe, etc.
2 supporters
Acknowledging that the Marvel crossover characters from The Incomplete Death's Head and its ilk originate in Earth-616.
1 supporter
Slackening T:NO SELF REF as it is prohibiting a lot of citations from individuals associated with obscurer works.
The modification of THIS PAGE to include new columns for this table, eg, "support with low priority", "ambivalent", "support in order to argue against".
Najawin ☎
Extending use of tabbed images in infoboxes, most notably for recasts (e.g. First Doctor's first, default image would be William Hartnell but it would also include Richard Hurndall and David Bradley)
Scrooge MacDuck ⊕
Validity debate: The Lonely Assassins and similar video games which are currently marked as invalid as the storyline/dialogue is not the same for each player.
66 Seconds ☎
Validity debate: The Prime Computer advertisements, since they are brought into continuity by Christmas on a Rational Planet.
PintlessMan ☎
Decoupling our Category:Help pages from the CC help pages. It allows for more specialized feedback for our community.
Najawin ☎
2 supporters
Creating categories (perhaps hidden ones) for stories that don't have summaries. This would allow users to better coordinate where their efforts are needed.
Najawin ☎
Validity debate: LEGO Dimensions, preferably with discussion on how to cover it (e.g. just DWU-connected voice clips, main story, & TDEoE; voice clips, main story, and all other level packs (some containing TARDIS travel points); voice clips, main story, TDEoE, maybe all other level packs, and Doctor Who adventure world; or everything, including all voice clips, levels, adventure worlds, etc.). May require a prior discussion on non-linear sources such as this.
Cookieboy 2005 ☎
Dropping the past tense requirement for real-world pages and out-of-universe sections of pages. Now we've changed T:SPOIL and cover future content more broadly, it just doesn't make sense.
n8 (☎)
Covering individual VHS/DVD/etc. releases with their own pages like we already do with graphic novel compilations.
WaltK ☎
Discussing "Rule 1" (which is either "Only narratives count" or "only fiction counts" depending on how things go) and how it relates to advertisements with narratives. It has long been said in debates, at least by a few admins, that "commercials are not narratives." I think this isn't always true. While some commercials do indeed lack narratives or might not be "fiction" per se, others are fully fledged stories which happen to also serve a unique purpose, such as: Dr Who and the Turgids, the Prime Computer spots, On the Icy Edge of the Galaxy..., On Through the 80's!, Sprout Boy meets a Galaxy of Stars, Doctor, Doctor, Doctor; the famous "TARDIS with Reindeer" idents, along with many Big Finish trailers and Collection trailers. The goal of this debate would be to agree on an official policy. OS25🤙☎️
(EDIT: Epsilon has an OP they've drafted that's quite good, I think that's what we should start on)
Splitting "the Magistrate" from The War King and addressing their relationship with The Master.
n8 (☎)
How do we deal with Doctor Omega?
(I'd prefer if Scrooge wrote up this OP, I'm sure he knows more than I.)
Najawin ☎
0 supporters

Archived threads

Main article: Tardis:Temporary forums/Archive

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Footnotes

  1. ↑ In the case of a tie, the thread proposed earliest generally gets priority. This should be the thread higher up in the table as threads are ordered by date added.
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