Talk:The Witch from the Well (audio story)

Dates

I listened to the story very carefully and was not able to find any indication of the years. The only thing I could find is that the story happens in two time periods, in 17th and 21st centuries, separated from each other by 350 years.

What is the evidence for 2011? For the 1650s? (I understand that the absence of the king puts it in the 1650s according to real-world history. But I don't think this has been dated in DWU?)

Does anyone remember where these exact dates came from? Amorkuz ☎ 23:27, May 26, 2016 (UTC)

I think that I must have added the 1650s based on the time of the Interregnum. I don't think that I was aware of the Wiki's "no real world" policy at the time. However, the novel The Roundheads is based during the English Civil War and may date the Interregnum more precisely but it might be a bit of a stretch to relate that to this story. --GusF ☎ 08:43, May 27, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for a quick response. What you say both makes sense (I didn't know about this policy until recently either) and helps. I think we can establish the connection if we work together. From The Witch from the Well one can use the mention of the Parliament and Protectorate (it is not made clear which is ruling the land, but it is made clear that there is no king). Moreover, the Doctor at some point says that John Kincaid is trying to be noted by Cromwell (I haven't added this info on the page yet but I will). First name is not given, so, once again, we would need to work on demonstrating it is Oliver Cromwell. Thanks a lot for the tips. And if you have any of the DW sources about this period, I'd be grateful for sharing the info that can be used to connect the dots (I myself do not own any books). I'll also put a request for information on the Ref Desk forum. This should be doable. Amorkuz ☎ 09:48, May 27, 2016 (UTC)

Amorkus in that period there are two Cromwells, Oliver and his son Richard who are both Commonwealth of England, Scotland and Ireland, so a mention of a Cromwell being protector who still be valid if this is set towards the end of th 1650s Adric♥Nyssa∩Talk? 11:04, May 27, 2016 (UTC)

Let me summarise what GusF, AdricLovesNyssa and I have found so far.

• The story could not have happened before January 1649 because that is established in DWU as the execution of Charles I (see 1649)
• I cannot find any mention in the Wiki of Cromwell being the Lord Protector
• At any rate Oliver Cromwell died in September 1658 (see 17th century) The same page mentions Rump parliament, based on PROSE: The Roundheads. While the word Rump is not present in this story, this must be the "Parliament" mentioned.
• I cannot find a mention in the Wiki that Richard Cromwell was the Lord Protectorin. It must be present in The Roundheads but not in the Wiki
• However, good news is that in May 1660, a new king, Charles II accepts the throne (see 1660).

In other words, independent of the Cromwells, who are not (yet) well documented on this Wiki, the kingless window in the 17th century England is 30 January 1949-29 May 1660. I think it makes a lot of sense to call this the 1650s. And this would place the modern part of the story at 1650s+350 years = 2000s, rather than 2011. Any objections? Amorkuz ☎ 12:34, May 27, 2016 (UTC)

Please improve the plot

As with Mary's Story, I cannot afford to write a good plot by relistening to the audio in detail. So, again, I provided a short synopsis, omitting many a fact and connections. Please improve at will. But at least the general outline is now available to the public. Amorkuz ☎ 00:32, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

I will wikify the plot, but not today. It's too late now. Amorkuz ☎ 00:39, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

What to call the page for the witch?

I hope some of you still follow this page. Because I am in doubt and can't decide what to do. Upon a close second listening I've understood that the witch that is imprisoned in the well is not Agnes Bates. Agnes is only the witch until she steps into a lokic containment web in the 1650s. Then the odicless Agnes walks out, and the odic energy (from her and all the other victims of the Witch Star) is dumped into the well.

So this energy entity needs a page. And I'm not sure what to call it. The Doctor says that it's an odic wave form. This is the physical description and can be used as a name (even without disambiguation). On the other hand, humans mostly refer to her as the witch. So the page could be called Witch (The Witch from the Well) or Witch from the Well. The first of these two is bad because it can equally well refer to Agnes herself. The second one could be nice because there is a redirect for Silver Turk, so it might make sense to have the page for the titular character of this story too.

PS And please do not suggest Witch from the Well (The Witch from the Well). It's enough that we have Jack Harkness (Captain Jack Harkness). Amorkuz ☎ 19:27, June 2, 2016 (UTC)