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=== Earth-89547 ===
=== Earth-89547 ===
[[File:Follow That TARDIS.jpg|thumb|The Doctor meets the Sleeze Brothers. ([[COMIC]]: ''[[Follow That TARDIS! (comic story)|Follow That TARDIS!]]'')]]  
[[File:Follow That TARDIS.jpg|thumb|The Doctor meets the Sleeze Brothers. ([[COMIC]]: ''[[Follow That TARDIS! (comic story)|Follow That TARDIS!]]'')]]  
{{iw|marvel|Earth-89547}} is the reality home to the [[Sleeze Brothers]], set sometime in the late 21st century. The Sleeze Brothers and their home reality first appeared in the DWM story ''[[Follow That TARDIS! (comic story)|Follow That TARDIS!]]'', which featured the Seventh Doctor and the [[First Monk]].<ref>http://www.marvunapp.com/master/earthteaz.htm</ref> The pair of private investigators later recieved [[The Sleeze Brothers (series)|their own series]] of comic stories set in this reality. No DWU elements are further referenced in this series, although Death's Head does make a cameo in the story ''[[Down in the Sewer (comic story)|Down in the Sewer]]''. Earth-89547 was the final Marvel reality to debut in a ''Doctor Who'' story.
{{iw|marvel|Earth-89547}} is recorded as the reality home to the [[Sleeze Brothers]], set sometime in the late 21st century. The Sleeze Brothers first appeared in the DWM story ''[[Follow That TARDIS! (comic story)|Follow That TARDIS!]]'', which featured the Seventh Doctor and the [[First Monk]], and did not explicitly present them as interdimensional travellers;<ref>http://www.marvunapp.com/master/earthteaz.htm</ref> the pair of private investigators subsequently received [[The Sleeze Brothers (series)|their own series]] of comic stories, recorded in Marvel reference sources{{which}} as taking place in this distinct reality.  


==== Ideaverse ====
=== Ideaverse ===
The Ideaverse is a "pocket [[multiverse]]" in which all of the literary characters that inspired the [[Marvel Comics]] heroes and villains live together. Its inhabitants live in a [[time loop]] in which the tales are repeated over and over. The original versions of the four stories which make up the ''[[Tales from the TARDIS (comic series)|Tales from the TARDIS]]'' series, reprinted from ''Marvel Classics Comics'', are held by the Marvel Database wiki to take place in the Ideaverse.
The Ideaverse is a "pocket [[multiverse]]" in which all of the literary characters that inspired the [[Marvel Comics]] heroes and villains live together. Its inhabitants live in a [[time loop]] in which the tales are repeated over and over. The original versions of the four stories which make up the ''[[Tales from the TARDIS (comic series)|Tales from the TARDIS]]'' series, reprinted from ''Marvel Classics Comics'', are held by the Marvel Database wiki to take place in the Ideaverse.



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The Seventh Doctor and Death's Head in the Prime Marvel Universe. (COMIC: Time Bomb!)
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The Marvel Multiverse is a fictional universe where the stories in most comic books and other media published by Marvel Comics are set. Consisting of thousands of separate universes, the term "Marvel Universe" usually refers to the primary Marvel continuity, known as Earth-616.

From 1979 to 1999, Marvel published Doctor Who Magazine and had the license to create comic stories featuring the Doctor. As such, the Doctor Who universe occasionally crossed over with pre-existing characters from the wider Marvel Multiverse during this time.

In-universe crossovers

Marvel realities featured in DWU stories

Earth-5556

Given Marvel's well-developed method of enumerating their realities, it is tempting to try establishing the number of DWU in their nomenclature. Unfortunately, Marvel's method does not match a time-travel focused franchise such as Doctor Who. Each numbered "Earth" of Marvel typically represents a particular timeline (be it natural or branching due to time-travel), often localised to a particular time zone.

For instance, a story as pedestrian in its time travel component as Priceless!, with Death's Head travelling from 2020 back into the present of the prime universe[1], even this story officially takes place in two different realities, the 2020 time zone being designated Earth-8410. Given that the same character Bono is present in both time zones, having lived his life from one to the other, this 2020 is clearly a future of Marvel prime universe. A different number is necessitated because this is neither its only nor "prime" future. Indeed, every bifurcation point, every disturbance of the timeline generally prompts the creation of a new numbered reality, as evidenced by multiple "What-If?" Earths such as Earth-8454, an alternate timeline branching off Earth-8410.

Thus, the DWU cannot be described by a single number, and, given how often timelines are adjusted in DWU, providing a number for every timeline would clearly be impracticable. However, in 2006's All-New Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A to Z #7, the events of The Neutron Knights are described as happening in the future of Earth-5556, the Earth familiar to the Fourth Doctor. It was not clarified which timeline and which timezone of DWU this Earth-5556 was supposed to represent although it is the Marvel Database wiki's stance that Earth-5556 refers to the Doctor's home reality as a whole. It lists as appearances of Earth-5556 every issue of Doctor Who Magazine published under Marvel, Doctor Who (1984), The Incredible Hulk Presents, Doctor Who Yearbook, as well as select instalments of Death's Head and The Incomplete Death's Head.

Earth-5

Another reality closely tied with the Doctor Who universe is Earth-5. It is considered a possible future of Earth-5556. In 2008's Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A-Z #2, Earth-5 is referred to as the home to the Order of the Black Sun from Alan Moore-penned Black Sun War trilogy published in DWM as backup strips Star Death, 4-D War and Black Sun Rising. This reality was first featured in the second of these stories, published in DWM 51 in 1981, although the Order member Fenris appears in the first.

Moore had earlier stated in a 1982 interview that the Order of the Black Sun were "an Earth-5 version of the Green Lantern Corps", predating the universe's official designation by twenty-six years.[2]

The Special Executive, a group of parahuman interdimensional mercenaries, would debut in the Black Sun War trilogy. The group was further used by Moore in Captain Britain strips in The Daredevils and later in Excalibur. Executive Action, a charity story by Lance Parkin, explained the origin of the Special Executive as experiments created by Rassilon with Looms. Later official Marvel handbooks would reference this, with Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A-Z #10's entry for the character Saturnyne mentioning that she "hired Gallifreyan parahuman interdimensional mercenaries, the Special Executive", and and the entry for the Technet (a rival team to the Special Executive which included some of their members) in X-Men: Phoenix Force Handbook explicitly identifying said members as "loom-born Gallifreyans."

Earth-333333333

In terms of appearances, the most prolific Marvel dimension which existed prior to its involvement with Doctor Who Magazine was Earth-333333333, also known as Earth 33⅓, home to the parodic creations of Tim Quinn and Dicky Howett. It featured in one-hundred-and-sixty-one instalments of Doctor Who? printed within DWM and in most stories in It's Bigger on the Inside!, as well as in special one-offs in publications such as Doctor Who Yearbook and Channel 33⅓.

The first instalment of Doctor Who? immediately established the place of the series within the wider universe by featuring Spider-Man, Iron Man and Captain America invading the Doctor's TARDIS and encountering the Fifth Doctor. These alternate versions of well-known Marvel characters had previously made their debuts in the Earth 33⅓ strip published in Marvel Team-Up some years prior. Doctor Who? 64 also featured Jet Lagg, an original creation of Quinn and Howett who starred in his own Jet Lagg series.

Another pre-existing character from this dimension was Mary Whitewash, a blatant caricature of Mary Whitehouse, who appeared in the DWM 103 comic story What If Doctor Who Was Produced By...?. She had previously appeared in the one-off strip The Nice Avengers, originally printed in Marvel Madhouse #8.

Additionally, Doctor Who? 191 depicted Marvel Comics bringing Doctor Who into the "Marvel Superhero Universe". A mask-wearing Fourth Doctor told Leela that "being a Time Lord [brought] with it great responsibility", quoting Spider-Man.

Earth-616

As previously mentioned, Earth-616 is the primary continuity in which the contents of most Marvel publications are set. It too, occasionally interacted with the Doctor Who universe.

Arguably, the first appearances of Earth-616 were marked by the thirteen stories which composed Dr Who's Time Tales. The series consisted of reprints, altered to feature the Fourth Doctor, from a variety of Marvel publications including Amazing Fantasy, Amazing Adult Fantasy, Tales to Astonish, Strange Tales, Chamber of Darkness, Tales of Suspense and Journey into Mystery. However, although Marvel Database does not distinguish between the original and the reprint, it is unlikely the DWU versions are set on Earth-616 due to interdimensional travel never being mentioned by the Doctor. Thus, the more reasonable interpretation is that they take place within Earth-5556, the Doctor's home dimension, and are close analogues of the events which occurred in Earth 616 as depicted in the stories' original versions. Indeed, beyond the Doctor's appearance, the Doctor Who versions of the stories often altered various details, such as the date the story was set or some characters' names.

The first undisputed appearance of the dimension in the DWU came in the 1988 Death's Head comic story Time Bomb!. After an adventure featuring the Seventh Doctor and Death's Head, the Doctor materialised his TARDIS on top of the Four Freedoms Plaza on Earth-616. He even briefly set foot in the universe before leaving Death's Head there. Death's Head featured in two more DWU stories set partly on Earth-616, both printed in The Incomplete Death's Head and both reprints of previously published Marvel stories. These were Clobberin' Time! and Priceless!, the former set immediately after Time Bomb! and the latter reprinted from The Sensational She-Hulk.

Earth-616 arguably made a final DWU appearance in 2000 when it cameoed in the DWM comic story The Glorious Dead. As Esterath explained to the Eighth Doctor about the Omniversal Spectrum, among the images seen was a distorted panel of Spider-Man battling Doctor Octopus, originally from The Amazing Spider-Man #12, first published in 1964. However, whether or not the re-used image was supposed to represent Earth-616 or to represent a different universe isn't clear.

Earth-5555

Earth-5555 was a dimension localised to the 82nd century. It often featured in stories which also featured Death's Head, who appeared in Doctor Who universe several times.

At the end of the DWM 135 comic story The Crossroads of Time, the Seventh Doctor ejected Death's Head from the TARDIS and sent him to Earth in 8162, Earth-5555. Earth-5555 appeared in both of the 1988 Death's Head comic stories considered valid sources by this Wiki, namely Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling! and Time Bomb!. It also appeared in several other 1988 Death's Head stories considered valid upon their reprinting in The Incomplete Death's Head, due to its DWU framing narrative. Those were Death's Head Revisited, Contractual Obligations, High Stakes, PlagueDog!, Sudden Impact!, Shot By Both Sides and Clobberin' Time!. It also made an appearance in The Deadliest Game, which was reprinted from Marvel Comics Presents #76.

A minor continuity error concerning Earth-5555 is the home reality of Josiah W. Dogbolter and Hob. The two were seen interacting with Death's Head in Time Bomb! and brought him to the Intra-Venus, Inc. headquarters while the Freelance Peacekeeping Agent was stranded in 8162. As such, Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Alternate Universes 2005 lists them as inhabitants of Earth-5555, though this does not necessarily mean they originated there as Death's Head is listed as well. However, Earth-5555's first official appearance was in Dragon's Claws #1 in July 1988, while Dogbolter and Hob's first appearance was in The Moderator, printed beginning in DWM 84 in December 1983. Due to Dogbolter and Hob appearing to be a part of the Doctor's universe in all other appearances, and not having yet used the Dogbolter Temporal Rocket, this remains a continuity error due to the reality numbers not being assigned until decades later. However, one possible interpretation is that Earth-5555 lies as a future of Earth-5556. [3][4]

Among Earth-5555's appearances in Marvel strips unrelated to Doctor Who were Dragon's Claws, Death's Head: The Body in Question and the 2019 Death's Head strip. It is worth noting, however, that the Doctor was mentioned obliquely in Dragon's Claws and explicitly named in The Body in Question.

Earth-8410

Arno Stark as Iron Man. (COMIC: The Cast Iron Contract)

Earth-8410 was the dimension home to Arno Stark, the Iron Man of 2020. All three of its Doctor Who universe appearances were in reprints from The Incomplete Death's Head.

It made a brief appearance at the conclusion of Clobberin' Time! which led into The Cast Iron Contract, wherein it made its DWU debut proper. It also appeared in Priceless!, reprinted from The Sensational She-Hulk #24.

Earth-8410 appeared extensively in other Marvel stories. It debuted in the 1984 Machine Man strip and also featured to varying degrees in Death's Head II, WildThing, Death³, Thor Corps, Death Wreck, Iron Man 2020, Wild Angels, The Avengers, Paradise X and Marvel Zombies 5.

Earth-89547

The Doctor meets the Sleeze Brothers. (COMIC: Follow That TARDIS!)

Earth-89547 is recorded as the reality home to the Sleeze Brothers, set sometime in the late 21st century. The Sleeze Brothers first appeared in the DWM story Follow That TARDIS!, which featured the Seventh Doctor and the First Monk, and did not explicitly present them as interdimensional travellers;[5] the pair of private investigators subsequently received their own series of comic stories, recorded in Marvel reference sources[which?] as taking place in this distinct reality.

Ideaverse

The Ideaverse is a "pocket multiverse" in which all of the literary characters that inspired the Marvel Comics heroes and villains live together. Its inhabitants live in a time loop in which the tales are repeated over and over. The original versions of the four stories which make up the Tales from the TARDIS series, reprinted from Marvel Classics Comics, are held by the Marvel Database wiki to take place in the Ideaverse.

As with the designation of the original variants of Dr Who's Time Tales to Earth-616, it is unlikely the altered Doctor Who Magazine stories are set in the same dimension, although Marvel Database does not draw distinctions between the versions. As well as the lack of mention of any interdimensional travel by the Fourth Doctor, there are several substantial changes which alters the impact the stories have on the wider Doctor Who universe. For example, in War of the Worlds, the Doctor is relaying the narrative as it has been told to him by the main character George, who is revealed at its conclusion to be H. G. Wells, a twist not present in the original version. Multiple of the Doctor's incarnations were subsequently depicted encountering Wells in later media and he met the Sixth Doctor onscreen in Timelash. With all this in mind, as with Dr Who's Time Tales, the more reasonable interpretation is that Tales from the TARDIS takes place on Earth-5556, the Doctor's home dimension.

Unknown realities and minor references

Many Marvel characters, as well as previous Doctor Who Magazine characters and characters from non-BBC owned television series, attended Bonjaxx's birthday party, which was depicted in Party Animals and The Incomplete Death's Head. Marvel characters seen include, alphabetically, Adam Warlock, Apocalypse, Captain Britain, Captain UK, Combat Wombat, Cusick and Doot, Death's Head, Doctor Doom, Doctor Octopus, Doctor Strange, Ghost Rider, the Hulk, the Human Torch, Jester, Knave, Lucas Bishop, Namor, Guillermo Perez, Rocket Raccoon, Random, Scarlet Witch, Silver Surfer, Spider-Man, Stacy Arnheim, Tigon Liger, The Thing, Thor, Tuck, Volstagg and Warlock. As the party was held on Maruthea, located in the centre of the Time Vortex, it is impossible to tell from which dimension most of them originate from.

In The Incomplete Death's Head, the Seventh Doctor admitted to Death's Head that he was responsible for sending him to "the robot universe" in order to shape his future. Although not mentioned explicitly due to licencing issues, the universe referred to was Earth-120185, the setting of the Transformers (UK) strip.

In the backup story of Doctor Strange, Sorcerer Supreme Vol 1 21 written by Jean-Marc Lofficier, Doctor Strange gives a tour of the Marvel Multiverse which uses the term "Charged Vacuum Emboitement" to describe the many "warps" connecting the Dark Dimension to adjacent pocket universes.

In All-New, All-Different Avengers #6, published in 2016, Miles Morales mentions Doctor Who to Thor as an example in explaining how leaving the second Mjolnir will be found by future-Captain America and future-Thor, using the phrase "timey-wimey stuff".

Behind-the-scenes connections

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Marvel's designation for "the real world" is Earth-1218; the Doctor from Earth-333333333 occasionally broke the fourth wall to interact with Earth-1218 and a parallel universe closely resembling "the real world" was visited by the Eighth Doctor in TV Action!. Outside of the tenuous narrative ties, many idividuals who have been credited on Doctor Who stories have also been significantly involved with Marvel Comics outside of its role as a publisher of Who products.

Stan Lee, the former Publisher, Editor-in-Chief, President, and Chairman of Marvel Comics, wrote and edited many of the stories reprinted as part of Dr Who's Time Tales.

Alan Moore, writer of the Black Sun War arc of stories further tying the DWU to the Marvel Multiverse via the Special Executive, is generally regarded as the creator of "Earth-616" and similar numerical terminology used for Marvel universes, although co-writer Dave Thorpe also has been credited.

In 1991, a crossover featuring Doctor Strange titled The Two Doctors, was proposed by Andrew Cartmel to DWM editor John Freeman, but Marvel US editor-in-chief Tom DeFalco thought there was not enough public interest in Doctor Who after the 1989 cancellation to warrant the story.

Footnotes

  1. See, however, Glossary:Sliding Timescale
  2. Doctor Who and the Genesis of Alan Moore by Lance Parkin. Retrieved on 28 May 2019.
  3. "Earth-8162 -where does it fit?" at The Appendix to the Handbook of the Marvel Universe
  4. "Is Earth 8162 A.D. Marvel universe or Doctor universe?" at The Appendix to the Handbook of the Marvel Universe
  5. http://www.marvunapp.com/master/earthteaz.htm