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== DWBIT ==
== Whatever happened to DiSoRiEnTeD1? ==


ok, you've convinced me, i only have one more question, but it is not related to Faction Paradox, it is about the images in the "Battles of Time" comic strips. why have have they been mostly removed? Even the image that is used in the Quarsian article is gone, some of the comic images that were used in the comic's infoboxes have been removed and replaced with an image of the previous story..  [[User:Sclera1|Sclera1]] <sup>[[User talk:Sclera1|talk to me]]</sup> 05:12, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
Hello!


== Non-DWU/canon categories. ==
I know you have [[Sea creature (Thin Ice)|bigger fish]] to fry at present, and I am also sorry to begin your new talk page on such a glum note, but — [[User:Najawin]] has just alerted me, on a talk page, to your recent blocking of [[User:DiSoRiEnTeD1]] for sockpuppetry.


I notice that one of the non-DWU categories still has/was mistakenly added after the mass move "non-canonical", namely [[:Category:Non-canonical Gallifreyans]]. Is there enough of them to require the page? Or should that be a super-category for [[:Category:Non-DWU Doctors]] and [[:Category:Non-DWU versions of the Master]]? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 21:38, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
DiSoRiEnTeD1 and I agreed on few things, and a mere glance at his talk page will show that he was sometimes unruly or even disruptive. Nevertheless, I never had cause to ascribe any malice to him until today; he merely came across as rash and inexperienced. DiSoRiEnTeD1 had, a little while ago, come to believe there was some sort of admin conspiracy against hims, and [[User:OncomingStorm12th]], [[User:SOTO]] and myself had agreed that it was best to give him strong warnings, but ''not'' block him, so as to prove him wrong on this point and show him we were not some cabal itching for an excuse to ban him.


==FP Wiki==
He had scarcely shown his face (well, his default user avatar) since then, however. And if he has now left us so definitively… well, I think I and several other users (from OS12th to his frequent talk-page sparring partner [[User:Najawin]]) may be owed some closure on the subject of DiSoRiEnTeD1. Najawin, for example, had scruples on [[Talk:List of recurring Doctor Who concepts not owned by the BBC#Original Mammoths|the talk page I mentioned earlier]], because, for all that he often went overboard in defense of it, DiSoRiEnTeD1 was the main and most steadfast supports of positions ''opposite'' to Najawin's (or to mine) in many discussions. Which puts us all in the somewhat awkward position of "winning" by default, without the opposition getting to have a say at the conclusion.
Yeah, that's fine I can be a bureaucrat over there. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 14:57, June 11, 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for the advice. I'll keep that in mind next time.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] <sup>[[User talk:Icecreamdif|talk to me]]</sup> 15:33, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
So, after all that, and because your blocking-summary was rather vague (and you did not, or at least have not yet, posted a more fully written-out rationale on his talk page)… my question is just — what ''happened''? What precisely did he do? When? Where?


==Randomised feature articles==
To be clear, I am not asking for any kind of reduction to his ban, or ''questioning'' your decision; if he did indeed break [[T:SOCK]], there is nothing more to be said on the matter in terms of his actual punishment. My questions are just that — curiosity. And perhaps a hint of sadness that it came to this, after all the tiresome drama and the accusations and the reassurances. DiSoRiEnTeD1, at least until this sockpuppetry business, was never a troll, and is owed, perhaps, a little respect as he goes.  
I do remember those! Sort of. I remember putting 'write some FA stuff' on my to do list and promptly forgot about it / got distracted by the many other things I randomly do.  


Just a side question, (though I'm sure you've got everything in hand) the update that's coming for Wikia's MediaWiki, that's not going to cause any major issues is it? I just become slightly concerned about it considering all the changes you've made around here (all good, just worrisome when Wikia update/change stuff). --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 13:59, June 15, 2012 (UTC)


== HiFi ==
…But as I led with, all these rather nebulous feelings of mine are nothing urgent, and I know you have other things on your plate. Get to this when it's convenient for you, and don't hurry yourself on my account! The UCP, home page and so on are clearly more pressing uses of your limited time. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:28, 25 November 2020 (UTC)


HiFi may not be [[Panda]], but he is '''a''' stuffed panda. As the Doctor said, "That is the dematerializing control. And that, over yonder, is the horizontal hold. Up there is the scanner, those are the doors, that is a chair with a panda on it. Sheer poetry, dear boy! Now please stop bothering me." As such, I think that a mention of HiFi on the [[Panda]] page isn't completely out of line. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <sup>[[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk to me]]</sup> 02:47, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
== Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls ==
:Yeah, the "list of appearances" might be taking things a bit too far. I think that part of the conceit of [[Panda]] is the possibility that he might, somehow, be HiFi (perhaps given intelligence and a drinking problem some time after his time with Steven), but it's nothing more than a possibility, and I don't think that there's enough to support it in ''Iris Wildthyme'' stories (at least the ones I've heard/read) to justify listing HiFi's appearances in [[Panda - List of Appearances]]. I'll put the hatnote back on [[Panda]], though. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <sup>[[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk to me]]</sup> 03:10, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
::Never mind, I see that you've already done it. (Do you think he's some other sort of stuffed animal?) —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <sup>[[User talk:Josiah Rowe|talk to me]]</sup> 03:12, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
:::Oh, I never thought he was a panda.  I mean I know the Doctor says that, but I thought he was just sorta generalising.  It doesn't particularly look like a panda.  Besides, why would a guy from centuries in the future have a panda stuffed animal?  Pandas will be extinct then, surely. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">03:21: Wed&nbsp;20 Jun 2012&nbsp;</span>


::::My daughter has a stuffed dinosaur. And HiFi looks as much like a panda as your standard teddy looks like ''ursus arctos''. I always assumed he was a stuffed panda bear (with the obligatory caveat that pandas aren't actually bears). [[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] <sup>[[User talk:Josiah Rowe#top|talk to me]]</sup> 03:37, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
Hello. I know you've been busy but this looks possibly important so I wanted to let you know. After seeing [[:Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls]], I created the page with an explanation as to what it was, as there was some confusion. When the edit completed a big message appeared about "change propagation" and the "job queue". I don't know enough about the code of MediaWiki to know what this really means, or if it will affect anything, but seeing as it appears important and you control the technical aspects of the wiki, I thought you should know. I hope it didn't mess up anything... [[User:Chubby Potato|Chubby Potato]] [[User talk:Chubby Potato|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


== More page moving ==
== Something odd ==


Peter Miles needs moving to Peter Miles (actor) and the redirect suppressed, unless there's another person by that name. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 15:56, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
I have been noticing a recent surge of either multiple IP users or one user with a fluctuating IP creating some truly bizarre spam pages consisting of pure nonsense and usually being horribly garbled copies of existing valid maintenance pages. Also exhibiting some similar behaviour and overlap of interests to some earlier vandals coming over here from some truly strange wiki apparently about old people of all things to insert ageist remarks into pages about Peter Capaldi and sexist one into pages about Jodie Whittaker. Yeah, I don't know either. [[User:NightmareofEden|NightmareofEden]] [[User talk:NightmareofEden|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:52, 26 January 2021 (UTC)


== FP wiki ==
== Re: Master discussion ==


I have a question related to the migration of content from Tardis to Faction Paradox Wiki. Which admin should I pass that question to? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 19:15, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
Good to know. I did just make [https://tardis.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000003394852 another post] on the matter just before I received your message, so feel free to delete that. I would like to ask you politely to unlock the initial discussion though, as you ''did'' ask for ideas. Regards, <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><code>'''Epsilon'''</code></span>]][[doctorwho:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 21:20, 27 February 2021 (UTC)


== joseph0505 ==
== Re: Discussions use ==
Right right, I see!


I've just reverted ''[[The TARDIS Worshippers (comic story)]] to you last version, but you might wish to check Joseph0505's last version before I did so.[[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 22:28, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
Well, honestly — I agree with you, on the usefulness of ''not'' holding policy-making threads in Discussions! It's just that ''your own'' quite detailed post seemed to me like a Forum post, and so I thought ''you'' had changed your mind about this. I have no particular ''wish'' that we do this now, so long as it is agreed that we do it later; I genuinely thought ''you'' were the one who wanted it handled in Discussions, there.


== Locked template page ==
But thanks for the explanation, all the same! [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:02, 27 February 2021 (UTC)


On [[:Template:DWTV]], ''[[The Dalek Invasion of Earth (TV story)|The Dalek Invasion of Earth]]'' is misspelt as ''The Dalek'''s''' Invasion of Earth''. Also, should the Night and the Doctor episodes mention the individual parts? And the bit about non-canonical; I'm guessing that should be changed to "we don't cover them" or "these aren't [[T:VALID|valid sources]]". -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 11:04, June 23, 2012 (UTC)
== Re: DWM ==
Just saw your message at [[User talk:LegoK9]]: …what's going on, here? Since when do copyright-holders ring us up and ask us not to include an image on the Wiki? What about fair use and all that? So long as we are reproducing the images for a documentary purpose, there isn't supposed to be much they can say — is there?


== The Romanian Version Main Page ==
To be clear I assume you have a good reason, but I'm wondering about what kind of a weird precedent this is setting, and how it should be applied in future. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:38, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
:Well, yes — but here I can't see how we could possibly be talking about questions of ''privacy''. These are not candid images of private individuals, found in a derelict corner of the web and unfairly signal-booted. These are images that are even now widely reproduced in ''[[Doctor Who Magazine]]''. DWM is widely sold among ''Who'' fans — and more widely read, perhaps, than our own Wiki.


I changed the main page of the romanian version. Do you like it? [[User:Dragonulteo|Dragonulteo]] <sup>[[User talk:Dragonulteo|talk to me]]</sup> 15:42, June 23, 2012 (UTC)
:Furthermore they are not images of a real person, but publicity shots of [[the Doctor (The Brain of Morbius)|the Doctor]]. If DWM asked us not to reproduce a particular publicity shot of [[Peter Capaldi]] as the [[Twelfth Doctor]], would we be forced to delete it to "protect Capaldi's privacy"? [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:06, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
::Hm. I suppose I see what you mean — and I certainly see the sense in maintaining good relations with DWM. I do have to question the wisdom of such a hard rule as "wishes of the copyright holder ''always'' trump fair use": what if Big Finish came out and asked us not to host ''any'' images of their covers at ''all'', or something of the kind? I could see a publisher of DWU fiction making that kind of pronouncement, albeit not necessarily the Beeb themselves. I can't imagine we could comply with that kind of blanket ban, and still remain a halfway useful Wiki. If they threaten legal action that is another thing, but a mere ''wish'' should not paralyse a whole fandom so.


== Meanwhile in the TARDIS ==
::I am speaking in general terms, though. The point is well-taken that in this case we have other publicity shots of that Doctor, from that year, in that outfit. It is not at all essential that we retain this particular one on the Wiki, so we might as well keep DWM happy.


I've been doing some work on the article for the [[Meanwhile in the TARDIS]] mini-scenes, splitting it into two articles to match the format set by the Prequels and [[Night and the Doctor]]. Could you check whether I've created the articles properly? In particular I am concerned about whether they should feature the ''TV Story'' suffix, and if the numbering is appropriate. The articles are [[Meanwhile in the TARDIS 1]] and [[Meanwhile in the TARDIS 2]]. [[User:Eladkse|Eladkse]] ([[User talk:Eladkse|talk]]) 16:41, June 23, 2012 (UTC)
::(For the record I ''have'' seen a comparable case on another Wiki on which I am an admin; but that case involved a picture of a real person, not a 50-year-old publicity shot of a ''character''; and furthermore it was not a picture readily available to the whole of the fandom in a magazine.) [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:51, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
:That's one of the things I was concerned about. I don't know how they were/are differentiated on the DVD, but the Internet generally uses 1 and 2. That's why I asked you. :P [[User:Eladkse|Eladkse]] ([[User talk:Eladkse|talk]]) 17:00, June 23, 2012 (UTC)
::I'll bear that all in mind, and get a forum post up when I next get a chance. I would like to point out that some of the things you mention need fixing I copied straight from the [[Night and the Doctor]] series of articles, so I think someone needs to look at them at some point just to make sure they comply. {{User:Eladkse/SigReal|19:21,&nbsp;23/06/2012}}


== Wiki backdrop ==
== Invite ==
Hey, Czech, would it be cool if I suggested that we change the backdrop of the wiki to include and/or feature [[Liz Shaw]] (Or what I really want is [[Caroline John]]), I think that would be appropriate. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 10:55, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
Incidentally, this is unrelated to the above matter, but I am still waiting on you for that Slack invite, unless you already sent it and my spam folder ate it up. (If you've misplaced my email address, it's still one of my most recent messages to you on Discord.) [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:57, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


==Canon policy name==
== Millennia's blue hair ==
Just a random thought. Would "Inclusion policy" be a better name than canon policy? That name seems to just cause endless problems. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 15:13, June 29, 2012 (UTC)


:I totally understand. As I said, it was a bit of a random thought. I've got to start writing more "random thoughts" in text edit and then letting them sit for a day or two to muse on them before annoying other people with them.
I already made a forum post about this, but maybe this is better. Where did the information on Millennia's blue hair come from? It's been bugging many of us in the Deca fandom for quite some time. I see the edit on that was made in August of 2011, while the page itself was made in 2009. Many people have read through Divided Loyalties, even going as far as to specifically search for "blue hair," and have turned up empty. Was this just some fan thing that everyone agreed upon? Thank you!
:It all looks good though the valid sources and everything, very easy to understand the big blue boxes, white text and everything.  
~@starryeyedgazer
:I'm still ''intending'' to create do some work on the Article of the Month preloads so there's more, but just haven't really been enthused enough to do anything (I've got to stop going to the Canon policy talk page!). --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 10:22, July 1, 2012 (UTC)
June 6th, 2021


== Just to check ==
== Manarchy ban ==


So, checking [[T:VALID]] about Battles in Time...I'm guessing anything about Daleks that's labelled along the lines of ([[DWBIT]]: [[DWBIT 1|#1]]) is not okay, as it doesn't lead to a specific story but non-narrative stuff? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 12:44, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
Hello. You might not remember me but my account is called Manarchy. I'm currently using a VPN to talk to you and i wanted to talk about my ban. It's been a couple of years since i even visited this wikia and I realised that I had grown more mature as the years went by. If it is possible, is there any way you could unban my account? I apologise for my actions as a young teenager and promise that I will be more mature on this site. If it is impossible, then i'm just glad to wrap things up with this wikia.
: Likewise, is the Last Great Time War stuff from the [[Doctor Who Annual 2006]] not a narrative? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 17:57, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
: Or to phrase it another way: the "Meet Rose" and "Meet the Doctor" articles in that annual. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 23:08, July 12, 2012 (UTC)


==Comic-Con==
[[User:Manarchy|Manarchy]] 01:29 July 7, 2021 (UTC)
Greetings! You may already know, but Dr. Who will be involved with Comic-Con this year. Wikia will have a physical presence at the 'Con once again, and we've created this badge:
:: (Heads'up, I've [[User_talk:Manarchy|informed]] Manarchy of the inappropriateness of their VPN shenanigans. I'll leave making a judgment on the request itself to you, though.) [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:35, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
{{w:CC2012-live}}


to remind users of this, and provide them with a link to Comic-Con Wiki. There, we will be updating live for the duration of the event with images, info, and exclusives for those users who are unable to be there in person. Would you be willing to allow this badge on the main page here (hopefully at the top of the right column) until the conclusion of the event? Please hit me up on my <small>[[User talk:XD1|TALK PAGE]]</small> and let me know either way so I can add it, or make a note that you've declined affiliation. You're welcome to add it yourself using the code above, but please drop me a note as well so I can track which wikis are participating. Thank you for your time! :)
== Overall Century layout + Century timeline template fix ==
:http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/xraydeltaone/images/b/b2/Siggy4.png '''@'''<staff/>  <small>([[User:XD1|profile]])•([[User talk:XD1|talk]])•([[Special:Emailuser/XD1|email]])</small> 02:07, July 6, 2012 (UTC)


::Nope, there's only one version of the badge, ( although, if I had designed it I would have gone with fading to transparent :P ) but I think the fade looks pretty good against the off-white background - since that shade is in the gradient somewhere.
Hi, I'm sort of a lurker on this wiki, though I do currently own [https://eminem.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kris_tha_6%277%22 Eminem Wiki], so I have used the Wikitext language before, though I am certain there's a few things I'd need to learn. I've attempted to understand (and fix, though I haven't made any changes permanent) through the creation and usage of the template [[Template:TimelineRevised]] and (originally) [[Template:Order of Centuries]] (which should be deleted), with no success. I noticed that (ex. [[1st century]]) the listed centuries are duplicated in the list (as the categories themselves as well as the pages for the individual centuries are listed).
<br><small>- [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kris_tha_6%277%22 Kris tha 6'7"] [[User talk:Kris tha 6&#39;7&#34;|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:48, 24 July 2021 (UTC)</small>


::Anyway, thanks for joining in, and wherever it works best for you is perfect. :)
== Re: Some of your recent changes and proposals ==
:::http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/xraydeltaone/images/b/b2/Siggy4.png '''@'''<staff/>  <small>([[User:XD1|profile]])•([[User talk:XD1|talk]])•([[Special:Emailuser/XD1|email]])</small> 18:45, July 6, 2012 (UTC)


== star whale ==
Hi, thanks for your detailed breakdown. There are a few things that I would like to rebut, protest and clarify. The stuff in [[MediaWiki:Fandomdesktop.css|Fandomdesktop.css]] was only ever intended to be temporary. It was just a collection of fixes to apply over the top of existing CSS. I had plans to write some better, more permanent CSS but this was impractical due to the fact that I can't edit these CSS pages and so had to use my off-wiki contact with [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] and [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] to get the CSS implemented. Therefore, I deemed the method I used to be most ideal as it's better to have something that works, even if it's not perfect, then nothing at all.


I was editing this, but when it published it had so many garbage characters it made no sense. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 02:22, July 7, 2012 (UTC)
The background was not added by me but rather [[User:SOTO|SOTO]]. I believe the reason it was done through CSS was because it was more complex then a single image but I'm not entirely sure.


I am using Firefox 13.01.1 and I was using the usual editing function on Wikipedia. I tend to think of these things as floating surges that I hit because I do so many edits. That and computers hate me. As for code monkeys, they are code monkeys and I place no confidence in them. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 22:30, July 7, 2012 (UTC)
The issue with screenreaders is to do with collapsibles and I'm sorry to admit that I rolled out a [[Template:SourceFilter|set of templates]] into the theory namespace a few days ago. I'm not sure how you may want to proceed here.


== More bot disambiguation ==
My understanding of SMW was that, if a wiki has it enabled, it is fine for that wiki to use it. Certainly, I've spoken a fair bit with users on the Fandom Discord server about it and I was never told not to use it. While I do prefer Cargo, SMW is very useful and I feel it should be used to it's fullest potential. Moreover, it's already used heavily in templates such as {{tlx|wales crew}} and {{tlx|Speedy rename}} so surely a few more wouldn't hurt. Also, the template being developed in that sandbox was not to automate prefixes but rather to add more detail to citations. This would be a massive burden to have to type manually.


Richard Martin should be on Richard Martin (director), while Richard Martin (character) should be moved to the vanilla page. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 16:31, July 7, 2012 (UTC)
Tooltips was a route I was considering a long time ago but I haven't been for a while now.  
: And now, William Russell and William Russell (The Angel of Scutari) to William Russell (actor) and just William Russell. Huh. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 18:57, July 12, 2012 (UTC)


== Drop-down preloads ==
I hope that you are now feeling better on the medical front. [[User:Bongolium500|Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500)]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:41, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Hello,
I am an admin on [[w:c:micronations|MicroWiki]] and, because our wiki is a bit messy, I wanted to ask you how were the drop-down preloads menu created. I belive it could help our community a lot, because many people seem to be new to MediaWiki.
If you wish to share Your knowledge,
Thank you --LurkSAR 22:48, July 8, 2012 (UTC)


== Andrew Collins ==
: Something else that I've just remembered about my use of [[MediaWiki:Fandomdesktop.css|Fandomdesktop.css]] is that I wrote a lot of it when Oasis was still the primary skin and I didn't want anything I was writing for FandomDesktop to have side effects on Oasis. [[User:Bongolium500|Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500)]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:50, 1 November 2021 (UTC)


Hi,
== Anonnotice error ==


I really should have familiarized myself with the deletion rules. I was improvising, sorry.
Hello, I'm glad you're back and I hope you're feeling better now. I know you're still fixing up the tech and visual stuff, but I just wanted to let you know that [[MediaWiki:Anonnotice]] was oddly displaying a portion of an infobox which I determined to be from [[Popidius Celsinus]]. I hadn't even been on that page. It only happens sometimes but it's very strange. [[User:Chubby Potato|Chubby Potato]] [[User talk:Chubby Potato|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:02, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


The proof is that I own the play in question, Live 34, and I am 100% certain that the part of Drew Shahan is voiced by [[Andrew Collins (critic)]]. The conceit of the play being that it is one long radio broadcast, so Big Finish hired a real-life broadcaster [[Andrew Collins (critic)]] to play the part of the radio DJ, Drew Shahan. There's a picture of [[Andrew Collins (critic)]] inside the booklet for Live 34 which matches the likeness of that we already have for [[Andrew Collins (critic)]].
== Temporary forums ==
Hey, hope you've been alright with the (gestures around toward the abstract) ''[[COVID-19|everything]]'' lately. This is actually a message from multiple admin (myself, [[user:OncomingStorm12th]] and [[user:Scrooge MacDuck]]), though it is me writing this. (Don't worry too much about it.)


[[Andrew Collins (actor)]] has featured regularly in several Dark Shadows plays, all of which I own, also released by Big Finish, and has a totally different sounding voice to [[Andrew Collins (critic)]].
So while you're been busy working on the new forums for the UCP, with the return to the actual Forum namespace no doubt around the corner, a number of users have suggested we set up [[Tardis talk:Temporary forums|temporary forums]], so we can still get the ''essential'' discussions out of the way, in the meantime. We think this is a good idea. We've actually been developing a discussion at [[Tardis talk:Temporary forums]], where others have chimed in (including [[user:Tangerineduel]], who ''also'' thinks it's a good idea).


I wasn't suggesting that [[Andrew Collins (actor)]] and [[Andrew Collins (critic)]] are one and the same, but two different people, one of which, [[Andrew Collins (actor)]], has no Doctor Who connections.
{{first pic|Mouri.jpg|Creatures who [[Tardis:Who writes policy|hold Time in this universe together]] broken. Time is beginning to run wild. Could really harm the [[Doctor Who Wiki|Tardis]]. So I made a short-term repair.}}
Basically, six slots would be open for new discussions (we actually have a list of priorities going). In the spirit of ''[[Doctor Who: Flux]]'', rather like the [[Mouri]] in the [[Temple of Atropos]], all forum discussion passes through these spaces (beyond the scope of talk pages). When one closes, its spot will be opened for another to take its place.


Hope this helps, I look forward to contributing to the wiki in the future. [[User:Claude North|Claude North]] <sup>[[User talk:Claude North|talk to me]]</sup> 18:01, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
<code><nowiki>[[Tardis:Temporary forums]]</nowiki></code> would be the Hub, with


== Preloads and adminship ==
:1. Links to these six spaces;
:2: A list of future discussions ("Next Up", agreed to on the talk page);
:3. An archive section (with table format, showing resolves/unresolved, and a quick summary of the closing remarks).
All in one place. This will help with moving things over to the Actual Forums. And there will be a strict time limit on these discussions: three weeks until [[Closing Time (TV story)|closing time]]. When this time is up, if a discussion has not reached a conclusion, it'll be closed as unresolved (marked yellow in the table), and taken to the bottom of the list, to be revived later.


Appreciate the nomination request, but I honestly don't think I'd be any good at it, even if I am a bit of a regular and my knowledge of the pre-Eccleston show is gradually improving. I've only literally just started taking screenshots and cropping them. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 09:09, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
This is all to make sure we get the maximum gain (actual resolution) out of a small number of discussions at any one time (to ease the load, creating a smoother transition, with only a small number of pages to move over into the New Forums, later on)<ref>It will also make sure these will be '''non-trivial discussions''' for us to pass over. To be added to the list, a new proposal needs to meet two criteria: It must... '''1''': be actionable (within the three week time limit, it should be ''possible'' to hash out), '''2''': affect a large number of pages.</ref>.


: I was gonna make a forum thread related to this, but now that you brought it up, what does the "featured" bit in the disambiguation preload mean? Because I have a feeling that it's not being used properly. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 09:11, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
The thing is, we just wanted to make sure you weren't ''just'' about to hit that [[magno-grab remote|big friendly button]] before proceeding. No point in all this, after all, if there won't be time enough for round one before the next stage of forum evolution's upon us again. We were thinking about opening the temporary forums on the Sunday after next, around ''Doctor Who'' time<ref>Which is to say, around the time we'd start the page for a [[Series 13 (Doctor Who 2005)|new episode]] of ''[[Doctor Who]]''. Bottom of the hour, as you once explained to me.</ref> That'd be Sunday Jan 23rd, 19:30 UTC. Unless you think you'll have the Newest Forums up and running by then?


: Is "name" deliberately absent from vatious infobox preloads due to the way it works automatically if blank? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 09:16, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
Happy New Year, by the way!{{User:SOTO/sig}} 21:19, 14 January 2022 (UTC)


: There currently isn't any audio story or novel format in {{tl|Infobox Story}} for me to check over {{tl|Audio story/preload}} or {{tl|Novel/preload}}.
<references />
::Perfectly alright! I'm in no rush personally, but the community's been calling for things to move forward again. (Obviously, no extra steps would be better.) Glad to hear you're doing well. It's been a while.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 03:34, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
:::Late reply, but all good! Glad to see it's being worked on. We'll hold off for now if that's the case, don't worry.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 22:27, 4 February 2022 (UTC)


: And as Confidential is gone, do we need a preload for that now? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 10:00, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
== Off-topic megathread for discussions ==


==Front page changes==
So I’ve seen a few wikis with off-topic megathreads (Jurassic Park wiki being one example, with the “Chaos Zone”), which are basically discussions threads where users can post whatever they want that is not related to the subject of the wiki (in this case, posts unrelated to Doctor Who) in the replies to that thread. We could put it in the FANDOM posts category, so it’s easier to find, and we can tell users about it whenever a discussion is or goes off-topic. Maybe we could call it “The Void” too, as it is technically outside of “the universe of the wiki”, as the void was outside the universe of Doctor Who. What do you think about this idea? [[User:GaganTopia|GaganTopia]] [[User talk:GaganTopia|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:41, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
I'm not too sad about DW Fanon (I have the vaguest memory of it being started after an admin, (probably me) blocked someone for adding fanfic to this wiki).


DW Expanded though is still fairly interesting in parts, though without an admin to keep it in check it is running a bit ragged. DW Special Features' content is practically covered on the DW Collectors Wiki and here.
: : Name a list of wikis I have been banned on and when I was banned on them. And my actions on other wikis should not impact how I am on this one, as I've done nothing wrong here, it's not fair, and I do make edits when I see pages to be edited. [[User:GaganTopia|GaganTopia]] [[User talk:GaganTopia#top|☎]] 19:47, 16 March 2022 (UTC)


Just a side note (that I seem to always add), the category pages, have they always been that off yellow colour? I know you've been messing around with the background colour of the various namespaces but I don't recall categories being such a weird yellow. I just find it a bit hard on the eyes, not sure why as I'm guessing it's the similar to the rest of the colours only yellow. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 14:15, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
== Talk page number... things ==


:That's odd, because I certainly look at the user talk pages a lot or probably an equal amount as the category pages and never noticed anything.  
The [[number]] displayed on the talk page "''[[thingy]]''" on pages seems to be off currently - possible because of a recent [[Fandom]] update, so I [[thought]] [[User:CzechOut|you]] were the best [[person]] to [[Question|ask]]. It seems to display "[[1 (number)|1]]" for a while after ''more'' messages have been added, which certainly throws me off, as I've used this number to confirm if I've received a response in the [[past]]. Do you have any clue what could have caused this? ([[2 (number)|2]] screenshots are displayed below for illustrative [[Purpose|purposes]])
:I promise I don't just suddenly notice these things to make trouble for you!
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:I think maybe it's just on user talk/forum pages all the text is black, but on category pages all the text is blue or dull red. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 14:22, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
File:Talk page error 1.jpg
File:Talk page error 2.jpg
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[[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:02, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
=== Another issue ===
Navigation templates, or "navboxes", also have an issue - they're open by default & cannot be collapsed.
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[[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:34, 23 June 2022 (UTC)


== Locked template page ==
== There is no legitimate reason to remove the image gallery from the Pilot Episode's article. ==


{{tl|Master stories}} needs the stories changed to dab terms, but most importantly the short story ''Freedom'', which is also a character (normally, it'd be put on the vanilla Freedom page, but as freedom is a generally used noun...)
I looked up the image rules, and there is no rule stating that only articles of valid stories can have image galleries. People will want to see the changes between the pilot and the broadcast. [[User:ApertureEmployee427|ApertureEmployee427]] [[User talk:ApertureEmployee427|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC)


Also, can you add ''[[The Oseidon Adventure (audio story)|The Oseidon Adventure]]'' to the UNIT years section? The bit about "non-canonical" should probably be reworded due to the recent revamp of the canon policy. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 20:58, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
== Personal information ==


== Bot stuff? ==
Hey, how have you been? [[User:Najawin]] recently alerted me over personal/potentially doxxing information being added to [[Claudia Boleyn|one of our pages]] recently by an anonymous user. Since then, I've protected the page so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it (which thankfully stopped the info being added again), but Najawin further contacted me pointing out that we should probably delete said revisions from the page (which I don't believe is something ''I'' am able to do.


While wandering the Big Finish site, I noticed that the audio formerly exclusive to [[The Complete Davros Collection]], ''[[The Davros Mission (audio story)|The Davros Mission]]'' is considered part of [[I, Davros]] [http://www.bigfinish.com/ranges/released/i-davros here]. Would it be an easy job for the bot to correct all the [[BFA]] prefixes to that story to [[BFD]]? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 22:32, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
Would you mind helping out on this? [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:41, 9 October 2022 (UTC)


== Demonstrative pronouns are weak subjects of leads ==
:Just to note, for the technical bit of this getting done, the first edit to add potentially doxxing information was on 26 May 2022‎, and more information was added over time. Nobody noticed it aside from an IP user until this past September when I was checking some old conversations I had and links in them. I promptly removed the info, but someone then added it back. Clearing out the original May edit and all since then is probably the way to go. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


Yar.  This is a side-effect of several levels of editing, first to get a piece into some sort of grammatically correct form, then to edit it for sense, then to fix very weak writing and finally to get the piece into a strong, interestingly written form. I find that some time between each of these levels of editing is good to clear out the cobwebs of older, poorer form.  Unfortunately, I rarely get around to to the last stage. The constant addition of new pages and the  random insertion of new facts means it's very difficult to shape a piece.  But yours is a good point and I'll keep it in mind when I'm fixing these weak openers.  I think that the definite articles are stronger, so a longer form, such as you suggest "The co-pilot of an unnamed starship" is probably best. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 22:04, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
== Forums discussion ==


==Problem with Character Infoboxes==
Hey, I know you've been busy, but I wanted to let you know that in light of the two year anniversary of the forums being down a good deal of the active editors have been having a discussion over at [[Forum talk:Index]]. We'd love for you to read it over and join the conversation when you have the time. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi, recently I have been adding new page/updating pages, and I have noticed when you have more than on actor to the voice actor(s) box, the box doesn't read like if there are multiple actors in the Other Actors box. An example of this is on the Davros page where in the Other Actors part its says David Gooderson, Terry Molloy, Julian Bleach  but in the Voice Actor(s) it says [[voice actor::Rory Jennings, Colin Baker]] and exactly the same type code, or what ever it is actually called, is written on the editing page , Other Actors [[David Gooderson]], [[Terry Molloy]], [[Julian Bleach]], Voice Actors [[Rory Jennings]], [[Colin Baker]]. Tahnks if you can get it sorted. ([[User:AdricLovesNyssa|AdricLovesNyssa]]: 17:30 (UTC) 13th July)


==Passing on a help request==
== Template:Wales crew updates ==
Since you're the "code-guy" I thought I'd pass this help request on to you, because I simply don't have a clue: --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 20:16, July 13, 2012 (UTC)


Hi, recently I have been adding new page/updating pages, and I have noticed when you have more than on actor to the voice actor(s) box, the box doesn't read like if there are multiple actors in the Other Actors box. An example of this is on the Davros page where in the Other Actors part its says David Gooderson, Terry Molloy, Julian Bleach  but in the Voice Actor(s) it says [[voice actor::Rory Jennings, Colin Baker]] and exactly the same type code, or what ever it is actually called, is written on the editing page , Other Actors [[David Gooderson]], [[Terry Molloy]], [[Julian Bleach]], Voice Actors [[Rory Jennings]], [[Colin Baker]]. Tahnks if you can get it sorted. ([[User:AdricLovesNyssa|AdricLovesNyssa]]: 17:30 (UTC) 13th July)
Hi! Terribly sorry to bother you, but for about a year now I've been, I think, the main person filling in the "Wales crew" template for new episodes (starting with ''[[The Halloween Apocalypse (TV story)|The Halloween Apocalypse]]'', although the one for ''[[Revolution of the Daleks (TV story)|Revolution of the Daleks]]'' is also mostly my work), and I've been logging the new variables they need added over at [[Template talk:Wales crew]].


== Question on front page ==
I gather that [[User:SOTO]] has been basically in charge of the template for some time now, but after a very courteous initial reply I haven't received any more communication from them and the template appears unchanged – understandable as they're very busy! I also tried leaving a message on their talk page a few months ago, but no dice... which is why I'm here, as from the talk page it looks like you used to deal with that template.
For some reason, ''Mr Invincible'' is regarded as the newest "BBC Radio Drama". Was this audiobook actually broadcast on BBC Radio, or is that a jump to conclusions following further Torchwood audios post-''The House of the Dead''? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 18:45, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
: I was double checking, that's all. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 21:53, July 15, 2012 (UTC)


== Dab term ==
I wonder if you might be willing to put me in touch with SOTO, take a look at it yourself, or point me in the direction of someone else who could help? If it's an option, I would love to be able to edit the template myself instead of endlessly bothering busy admins. Again, I'm very sorry to contact you out of the blue about something you used to maintain ten years ago! [[User:Starkidsoph|Starkidsoph]] [[User talk:Starkidsoph|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:45, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
Per the "finer detail" part of [[T:DAB]], what would pets like dogs and housecats fall under? I'd neither qualify them as "things" or "people". -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 18:45, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
: Yep, that's very clear now. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 21:53, July 15, 2012 (UTC)


== Master ==
== User rights nomination ==
Hi CzechOut, long time no chat! I'm sure you saw my nomination of [[User:Bongolium500|Bongolium500]] for adminship, but just want to do due diligence and let you know just in case. I'll also take the chance to thank you for your attention to [[Forum talk:Index]] – very much looking forward to the fresh start, and very appreciative of your stopping by to take us over the finish line despite the busy time of year :) – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 18:54, 20 November 2022 (UTC)


I hate to bring this up again, but [[User:86.25.29.82]] has pointed out that in ''Legacy of the Daleks'', one way to interpret it is that Delgado it the 12th life of the Master and that Pratt/Beavers in the 13th, and that the Master had had a failed regeneration to create this ghaustly form. He supported this idea with a quote from the book; ""Of course... He already knew that the Master had hidden on Tersurus when his final regeneration had been used up. Some devastating force had ravaged his body and left him a crippled wreck." (The Doctor muses on page 235)"
:Happy Thanksgiving! It's now been a little over one week since Bongo's nomination discussion began, so we'd be ready for you to weigh in. By the way, any update or new ETA for the forums? – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]])


His argument seems legit, and I think we may want to look into it. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 18:30, July 15, 2012 (UTC)
== Bongolium 500 ==


:Alright. That's cleared up. I've read the book as well, by the way. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 23:12, July 15, 2012 (UTC)
Hi Czechout
I know I am in the wrong place however for some reason I am unable to comment on the user rights page but long story short i absolutely and wholeheartedly support bongolium 500 in becoming a admin, I know I haven't really contributed anything yet but this is because I am currently trying to learn the rules and how to include the source of my information but I will hopefully be contributing at some point as not only am I a huge doctor who fan but I sometimes work on doctor who as a stunt performer!!!, Anyway I support Bongolium 500 because as a newcomer to contributing on this wikia he is invaluable for the technical stuff in the form of creating new templates I plan to use his help with templates when I hopefully start contributing. {{Unsigned|Ser0slug}}


== Prefixes ==
== Happy new year ==


It's generally up to an admin to establish a new prefix, right? Because I noticed ''[[Counter-Measures]]'' has just been released. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 23:21, July 15, 2012 (UTC)
I Know 2023 isn't here yet, though as I'm near the last day til New Year's Eve, happy new year. [[User:Sum41Champ]]


==Cyruptsaram==
You're misreading the comment I left on Cyruptsaram's talk page somewhat. The section you referred to was this:


"I completely agree with Boblipton here and definately don't think that because of the ban we don't want you here on the wiki."
== Temporary Forums Are Live! ==
Hello!


Now what I meant by that is I agree with Boblipton in regard to the fact that because Cyruptsaram was banned that we don't want him here, which is frequently the impression that new users get. I can see how you got from my comment to where you are, but I'd have thought you'd have seen from the sentence and what follows was that by no means was I agreeing with Bob about the disputes you've ahd in the past, because up until reading Bob's message I honestly was unaware that you'd had any.  
Just wanted to notify you that, [[User:CzechOut]]'s final deadline of "by New Year's Day" having passed, and following in-depth discussion between myself and fellow admins [[User:SOTO]], [[User:OncomingStorm12th]] and [[User:Bongolium500]], we have decided to '''activate [[Tardis:Temporary forums]]''', come what may. A [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice|sitenotice]] has been set to inform the community of this development, and I am taking it upon myself to personally update [[Tardis:Administrators|our Administrators]] on the situation, as well as [[User:Spongebob456]].


Now on the matter of the actual ban, yes I can see why you placed the ban, and if I was in the same situation I would also have enforced the ban. Because of the ban his editing was stopped and the damage was halted, therefore I removed the ban today because the ban was no longer needed for the reasons it was placed for, so I thought I was doing you a favour by removing it and sparing you the trouble.
As the name implies, we hope the Temporary Forums will remain — well — temporary. Any work on reactivating proper DPL Forums will still be welcome and appreciated; this system is a further fine-tuning of the setup Bongolium500 had proposed in December 2021, which it means is designed from the ground up to be '''easy to transfer into the actual DPL Forums''' if we should get those back in the near future after all.  
So there's abit of misunderstanding on both sides in this case and obviously I had no intention of encroaching on your territory by removing the ban. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 16:09, July 16, 2012 (UTC)


I just recieved a message from Cyruptsaram on community central and he says that he can't edit any articles or send a message to you to ask for his block to be lifted. Obviously I checked and there is no block in place on his account anymore. For the moment I told him to try and edit an article again, but do you have any ideas as to what's going on? --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 17:14, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
But it has been ''multiple years'' since the Wiki has had a venue for changing policy and forming community consensus on important matters. Bongolium500 and SOTO put forward the first draft of the Temporary Forums a full ''year'' ago — and were convinced to retract it by a promise that the real Forums would come ‘very soon’; and here we are. I don't think anyone's at fault, least of all you; it is clear that you've had the Wiki's best interests at heart all through this. But the fact is thatthe time has come to realise that this overly-optimistic strategy of endlessly putting off an imperfect temporary solution in pursuit of a perfect one "soon"… has failed, resoundingly. It is time for a different approach. The Tardis community are ''owed'' a different approach.


Thank you very much for your help. Everything has returned to normal. --[[User:Cyruptsaram|Cyruptsaram]] <sup>[[User talk:Cyruptsaram|talk to me]]</sup> 19:55, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
We [[four surviving elementals|four elementals]] behind the Temporary Forums would like to reassure the rest of the admin team that this necessary step '''is not intended to create more work for them unbidden'''. Four are, if it comes to that, plenty enough to keep the peace a Forum with no more than six threads running at a time; we would be thrilled to see the rest of the team embracing the Temporary Forums, but please don't feel any ''obligation'' to do so.


==Prefix==
Happy New Year, happy editing — and happy contribution to the New Forums!
You told me a while back that you couldn't see the point in adding the "BF", that was why we changed "BFJL" to "JAL". I just followed that example. Which do you prefer? --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 17:29, July 16, 2012 (UTC)


== Dab question ==
<span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 11:01, 2 January 2023 (UTC)


Would it be fair to move Kroton to Kroton (species) and just leave Kroton on its own as a redlink, or is the species something of a primary term like with the Omega debate?
== Re: Forums ==


Also, on {{tl|Companions of the Eighth Doctor}}, could you change Kroton (Cyberman) to Kroton (Throwback: The Soul of a Cyberman)? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 20:17, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I've accepted your friend request. Having the <tt>Forum</tt> namespace back in action is certainly going to be very helpful. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:45, 11 May 2023 (UTC)


: Another question. Would it be fine for Victoria (Queen) to be moved to Victoria (Imperial Moon), with the various links leading there moved by bot? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 15:53, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
== Heads up about the thanks extension ==
:: Hmm. Not sure how to approach that, then. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 17:15, July 19, 2012 (UTC)


:: Really? I was thinking that, but assumed if any Victoria had a primary use, I'd assume it to be [[Victoria Waterfield]], who was a main character for a time. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 17:54, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I just wanted to give you a heads up that Tardis is testing the "thanks" extension which Fandom will be rolling out to all wikis soon. This extension allows editors to thank other editors for their edits. The editor being thanked will then recieve a notification. Therefore, while you're actively performing edits, you may receieve a few more notifications than normal. If you notice any bugs, pass them onto [[User:Spongebob456]]. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


:: Of course I'm not sure. I only got round to properly watching pre-Eccleston episodes a year ago. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 18:13, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
== Why don't you use your bot anymore? ==


::: Yeah, appearance IS appearance. I agree, though in the case of figures only referenced, I'd assume that we count from first reference for the dab. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 18:21, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
It hasn't made any edits since september 2020. [[User:Sliderhostmimic|Sliderhostmimic]] [[User talk:Sliderhostmimic|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:12, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


== Even more poor dab to redirect around ==
== Request to correct a mistake  ==


Natasha Alexander and Natasha Alexander (Auton trilogy) should be on Natasha Alexander (actor) and just Natasha Alexander. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 20:36, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
Hi CzechOut
I am fairly new to contributing to this fandom but I contribute to another regularly, anyway I have accidentally linked to a category that doesn't exist, I intended to link to the category UNIT United Kingdom however I have accidentally confused myself and created UNIT UK, please can you try and rectify my mistake on my behalf as I know I can't do it without being a admin (I'm a admin on another fandom, so I have inside knowledge of being a admin)


== Locked page ==
== 'Which Way Out?' short story ==


[[Binary]] should be cut and unlocked, as there's an in-universe term from [[IW]]: ''[[Elementary, My Dear Sheila (novel)|Elementary, My Dear Sheila]]'' called Binaries. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 01:32, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I have been looking for a certain Doctor Who story for a long time. I mean 'Which Way Out?' from TV Comic Holiday Special 1976. It's hard to find any information about this story, but I did find that you wrote an article about it on the TARDIS Wiki, so I assume you've read it. I was wondering if you might still have access to this story? I will be very grateful for your answer.
:
 
== ''The Humans of Tara'' ==
 
Hi, I wonder if you could take a look at the page for ''[[The Humans of Tara]]''. It has a lot of information on how to use the page as a template for other documentaries, and only a little information about the documentary itself. Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] <sup>[[User talk:Shambala108|talk to me]]</sup> 02:47, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Series variable reply.. ==
 
Hi! took a while to work out what you meant lol but I think I've got it. Let me know about [[DWA 278]] when I've done it. I was just using a saved template from previous but if 278 is ok I'll work backgrounds ...and forwards obviously :)  [[User:The Librarian|The Librarian]] <sub>[[User talk:The Librarian|talk to me]]</sub> 00:11, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
== (individual) ==
 
I've been on the fence on whether to move people called (individual) for whatever reason, but if it's okay to dab those characters to stories though, as you have with Peladon then I gather Sontar (individual) is fine as Sontar (The Gods Walk Among Us) and Alpha Centauri as Alpha Centauri (The Curse of Peladon). -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 19:39, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Vandal ==
[[User:81.98.143.140]] has vandalized today. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 21:05, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Locked template page ==
 
I'm not sure why [[Cyber-Leader (A Good Man Goes to War)]] is a [[:Template:Cyberman variants|Cyberman variant]] when it seems really likely to be a Mondasian Cyberman rather than the "other" (but still probably Mondasian) type from ''Blood of the Cybermen''. It just seems to be a single Cyberman that's a subset of [[Cyber-Leader (Mondas)]]. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 22:06, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
: I understand the fuss and headaches Moffat-era Cybermen (well, okay, not just them) cause, but if I can't find any specifics in past forum threads, how exactly should I phrase it there? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 22:32, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
==Braxiatel==
in the Gallifrey (audio series) season 1 story weapon of choice. braxiatel reveals to romana's k9 that a future version of himself told him that bernice summerfield would give him a k9 unit in the future. how should i convey this information of the k9, braxiatel, bernice summerfield, and any other related pages.[[User:DalekSupreme13|DalekSupreme13]] [[User talk:DalekSupreme13|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:57, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
==Doctor Who universe==
Could you drop into the [[Doctor Who universe]] page and discussion. I think I'm heading in edit war territory and would appreciate another admin's POV. Thanks. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 17:09, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Primary term ==
 
Yes, I have seen in a couple of places that you're not a McCoy-era fan, but you seem to be really knowledgeable about whether things like [[Victoria]] work as primary terms.
 
As there's (at least) [[Caretaker (Scream of the Shalka)]] and [[Caretaker (A Stain of Red in the Sand)]], should Caretaker be dabed to Caretaker (Paradise Towers) or not? I'm leaning towards not, given that there's almost certainly references to the Earth profession, but maybe because there's several characters with that rank on <nowiki>[[Caretaker]</nowiki>]'s page it would...? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 20:09, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Dab term fixes. ==
 
Bloodtide should be where Bloodtide (The Shakespeare Code) is, while the links currently leading to Bloodtide should lead to Bloodtide (audio story). -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 13:04, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
: Hmm... the [[TM 24]] page mentions unmade television stories called Revenants and Deadline. This means that the "vanilla" version of those pages shouldn't be redirects to [[ST]]: ''[[Revenants (short story)|Revenants]]'' and [[BFDWU]]: ''[[Deadline (audio story)|Deadline]]'', right? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 14:15, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Chrome problems ==
 
I am experiencing a couple of problems with Google Chrome. Firstly, I cannot access the drop down menu next to the 'Edit' button, meaning I am unable to access the page's history, delete page etc. Also, the search bar does not auto suggest pages like it should. If for example, I start to type in 'Series', it does not show a list of all the pages that begin with 'Series' as it should. Any suggestions/or ways to fix this problem? [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 14:46, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
: Never mind, I've sorted it. Turns out it was an extension I was running which blocks ads. Everything is fine now. [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 15:00, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Edit Problems ==
I'm having some difficulty editing. It's slowly developed and now grown enormously. It's taken me something like 8 edits to complete one page, for example [[Jan Blythe]], just because my computer is chucking me out of the edit zone. Is there some way of stopping this, by any chance?
 
This is very annoying and suddenly, it takes me half an hour to write something when it should only take a minute. Any help will be appreciated. --[[User:Cyruptsaram|Cyruptsaram]] [[User talk:Cyruptsaram|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:53, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
Well, OK, first I'm using a mac computer, whether that has any effect on it I'm not sure. Second, I always use safari as the web browser and never any of the others. Thirdly, it is publishing my edits, but I am incapable of finishing the sentences before it returns to the original page.
 
This does happen on every wikis I edit at, yes. As for my keyboard, nothing really different, just I'm not sure how different it would be from Windows keyboards, because I've never had one. And finally, no, I don't enable any CSS or JS.
 
Thank you for acknowledging my problem. I hope this information will help to rectify it. Even now, as I write this, it continues to chuck me out.--[[User:Cyruptsaram|Cyruptsaram]] [[User talk:Cyruptsaram|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:11, August 4, 2012 (UTC)>
 
It's worked, I used Firefox and it works. It must be safari or the version of safari I use. Thanks for your help.
 
Safari is version 5.1.7.--[[User:Cyruptsaram|Cyruptsaram]] [[User talk:Cyruptsaram|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:01, August 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
I apologise, I am not very technical, version 10.6.8.
 
== Image bits ==
 
Hi Czech! Just to let you know that I'm mindful of the guidance and am currently in the process of revisiting various areas of my work especially DWA. The word bubbles do present a bit of a problem when selecting an appropriate image from only 4 pages (most noticebly with DWA but I will see what I can do. [[User:The Librarian|The Librarian]] [[User talk:The Librarian|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:10, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Block ==
 
Hi there i am responding to a message you left me. I asked someone why i was blocked on doctor who answers and you replied that someone called brandon rhea gave me a "light" blocking. Could you please explain what a "light"blocking is, i.e. how long it lasts for. Please report back ASAP as i would like to once again be able to answer some questions on that wiki, this time without the bad talk. --[[User:Coop3|Coop3]] [[User talk:Coop3|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:45, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== response ==
 
hi there im just responding to your message to me. Okay i am sorry for behaving like that, i did not know i was THAT bad. the only reason i pretend to be an admin is becuase if i dont then the trolls wont listen to me and i just get so annoyed becuase people go on there thinking its a medical website and so ask medical questions. If you could give me a link to a doctor who answers admin i could ask them to change the opening page for it and inform people. also the only reason i have admin as my occupation is because in real life i work in admin and so when asked that question, i answered it truthfully. that is all. --[[User:Coop3|Coop3]] [[User talk:Coop3|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:58, August 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Canisian and Paradise of Death ==
 
hey Czech, i previously asked a question on the talk page of the Canisians, anyway, how come it is regarded as non-canon to the Doctor Who universe, even though it is not a faction paradox or a Dr Who Unbound story? cheers [[User:Sclera1|Sclera1]] [[User talk:Sclera1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:28, August 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Improper dabing ==
 
John Davies should be on John Davies (director) and John Davies (Everyone Says Hello) should be on the "vanilla" John Davies. Could you help in moving all this around? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 17:11, August 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
==BF interior images==
On many of the recent Big Finish releases there are images/illustrations in the booklet that are from within the story. Should these (like [[:File:The Monk To the Death.jpg]]) just be tagged with {{tl|BF audio cover}} and we just edit it to say "including interior illustrations" or should we create a new template "BF illustrations"? --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 06:47, August 8, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Problems ==
 
=== Categories ===
I've noticed a couple of things (problems!) about categories since the Media Wiki update. Firstly, categories do not extend over two line as they should at the bottom of the page. If a category name is too long to fit on the rest of a line, it is place on a new line underneath (meaning we can only get 3-4 categories on a line when we should be getting more). The other, quite obvious thing, is everyone is the Wiki Activity is saying that everyone is editing categories - it displays all categories for a page underneath the edit summary, I've check myself on a couple of edits and Users, who Wiki Activity say have edited categories, haven't even touched them.
 
=== Front page ===
Not a problem, more of a annoyance. All cover pages on the front page are no longer centred and are on the left (I went to edit it and there was no way, that I could see, of moving them back to the centre.)
 
=== Preview summary ===
Finally, whenever I go to preview an edit, I've noticed the word 'null' appearing at the bottom of the preview. I'm not sure why, but it can be an annoyance.
 
Many thanks. [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 19:20, August 8, 2012 (UTC)
 
I've not noticed "null" (may have been fixed) but the "Publish" button displays completely blank until the mouse pointer is over it. This could be troublesome for anyone unfamiliar with the preview. I put the mouse pointer over the button because I know it's the "Publish" button: What's someone to do who '''doesn't''' already know that? --[[Special:Contributions/89.240.245.175|89.240.245.175]]<sup>[[User talk:89.240.245.175#top|talk to me]]</sup> 21:39, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
=== Page background ===
The new background for the pages, gradually darkening towards the right, is very pretty but a seriously bad idea. The reduced contrast at the right makes the text difficult to read, especially when the text colour is blue (link). This must seem very unfriendly to anyone with visual impairment. When I took a web design course a few years ago, it was emphasised over & over again that making the thing easily readable has to come '''first'''. Making it artistic (while nice) is a far lower priority. --[[Special:Contributions/89.240.245.175|89.240.245.175]]<sup>[[User talk:89.240.245.175#top|talk to me]]</sup> 21:53, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Intermittent front page problem ==
 
I'm not sure whether it's something to do with the new MediaWiki version, or something else, but I wanted to give you a heads-up that at least sometimes, the front page is loading incorrectly in Safari on a Mac. [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/josiahrowe/tardiswikimessedup.jpg Here] is a screenshot of what I'm talking about. The alignment was fixed the next time I loaded the page, and it's not happening in Firefox, but I thought you should know that the display problem did happen at least once. —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] [[User talk:Josiah Rowe|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:41, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
What does tardis mean? [[Special:Contributions/119.160.142.4|119.160.142.4]]<sup>[[User talk:119.160.142.4#top|talk to me]]</sup> 09:08, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Moved pages not showing up? ==
 
I'm gathering that this is a wikia-wide thing, but still, do you know why page moves no longer appear in [[Special:WikiActivity]]? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 21:50, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
==Latest Advice==
Thanks for the advice. Yes, that "Pat Imperial Moon)" was a mistake, because I was trying to finish the article and do another one before I had to do work. Stupid really, I know. I appreciate the help though. --[[User:Cyruptsaram|Cyruptsaram]] [[User talk:Cyruptsaram|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:27, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Hi! ==
 
Hi There!:) Fairy Arisa 8.12.12 (Sorry I didnt sign this with the four tidles I have a customised signature and it refuses to work on this wiki)
 
== Images <250px ==
 
Am I right that [[T:GTI]]'s rule on image dimensions applies to every kind of image, including crops of CD covers? Little confused by why Revanvolatrelundar readded [[Vortisaur]]'s image. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 13:10, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Image cheat card ==
 
The links in the contents section of [[Help:Image cheat card]] are obscured by the background of the table. I don't know if this is a 1.19 issue, but I thought I'd let you know. {{User:Eladkse/SigReal|13:28,&nbsp;12/08/2012}}
 
== misquote ==
 
Hey, sorry to bug you (again), but there is a random quote on the front page that is incorrect. From ''[[The Big Bang (TV story)|The Big Bang]]'', it has the [[Eleventh Doctor]] telling [[Rory Williams|Rory]], "The universe is not more important than your girlfriend." This makes no sense in context, so I did a search of scripts and found that the correct quote is, "Your girlfriend isn't more important than the whole universe." I don't know how to correct it so I wanted to bring it to your attention. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:01, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
==PNG/Line drawings==
Tybort raised a question with me with regard to PNGs and the term "line drawings", I took it to mean, as it's said in the same breath as SVG that it's a computer drawn graphic, like an SVG. But he raised that it could refer to line drawings as in {{w|line art}}. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 17:48, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Grossly excessive spoiler warning messages ==
 
The new spoiler warning messages on (apparently) '''every single topic''', even one about the 1996 movie, are (a) grossly excessive & (b) stupid. I'd seen the message too often the 2nd time it appeared. It needs to be taken out & shot. There's a prominent warning on the main page, already. We don't need to repeat it ad nauseam. If there really '''must''' be a message, show it '''once only''', when the user arrives at the main page. A user who says "OK" once is going to say it again -- but shouldn't have to.
 
I don't know if you're the right person to contact about this but, if not, you're likely to know who is & be able to pass the message along. --[[Special:Contributions/2.101.49.3|2.101.49.3]]<sup>[[User talk:2.101.49.3#top|talk to me]]</sup> 22:20, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
PS: My IP address will change, so there's no point replying on what soon won't be my User Talk page. Anyway, it's as well to keep the parts of a conversation in the same place, so a reply here would be more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/2.101.49.3|2.101.49.3]]<sup>[[User talk:2.101.49.3#top|talk to me]]</sup> 22:23, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Thanks for the feedback.  I'm sorry you don't like the [[forum:new spoiler screen|new spoiler screen]].  However, it's going to remain as a standard part of Howling threads. 
 
:Here's why.
 
:I understand that not every thread in the Howling starts out ''intending'' to contain spoilers, like the 1996 movie thread you mentioned, but since the Howling is unregulated, any thread ''could'' contain spoilers.  Thus, to protect those of our readers and editors who don't want to be spoiled, this message will appear on ''every'' non-administrative Howling thread. 
 
:Last year, we had a number of editors stop working with us because they got inadvertently spoiled.  We're doing everything in our power to help them out.  The task of ''pressing a button'' is really not so great a sacrifice on the scale of things. 
 
:I should point out, too, that your suggestions aren't technically achievable. We can't just put a screen on the main page of the Howling and hope that will stop inadvertent spoiling.
 
:In the first place, there aren't any spoilers on [[Howling:The Howling]] itself, so what would be the point?  We ''want'' people to read that page so they understand what the Howling is for. Putting a spoiler screen on tha page would mean that some users would ''never'' read it — which means they wouldn't understand what the Howling was when they encountered it in a site search.  That's a recipe for ''disaster''. 
 
:In the second place, I reject your notion that someone who says yes once will ''always'' say yes.  ''Doctor Who'' fans are very particular about their spoilers.  They might be happily spoiled about guest stars and production personnel, but avoid narrative details like the plague.  There are others who don't mind knowing the "big bad" in an episode prior to release, but don't want any more than that.  This method of flagging every single thread lets the individual user decide which ''particular'' threads they want to see.
 
:In the third, it's possible to arrive at the Howling through a search now, which means people could be bypassing the main page.  Thus, the only effective solution is to tag every page. Indeed, if you want to blame anyone for this new system, blame Wikia, who've made it quite possible to end up in the Howling thanks to this new searching system they've introduced. These spoiler screens are a ''direct'' response to the changes they've implemented to wiki searching.
 
:So, the long and short of it is that I'm sorry you don't like it, but it's not changing any time soon. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">01:33: Tue&nbsp;14 Aug 2012&nbsp;</span>
 
No, there are no spoilers on the main Howling page. But there are none on [[Howling:The retinal scanner for the Eye of Harmony in the TV Movie]] either & that got covered by the warning, although the warning didn't appear when I revisited the topic a few minutes ago. I note that, outside the Howling, the message appears only where there are or genuinely might be spoilers but someone decided to be indiscriminate about the Howling. It may serve to annoy people enough to abandon participation in the Howling but it's not likely to achieve much else there.
 
Warnings elsewhere are a different matter entirely. Most of the site is & is expected to be spoiler-free & the warning is justified where there are exceptions -- because they are '''exceptions'''.
 
Your assertion that "This method of flagging every single thread lets the individual user decide which ''particular'' threads they want to see" is foolish. The user has already made that decision by selecting the topic. Since the message gives no information about what type of spoiler(s) a topic may contain, it is totally useless to anyone trying to be "particular about their spoilers".
 
The point about searching does, however, have merit. What's needed to cope with that isn't an indiscriminate warning that affects everybody, every single time. What's needed is a search option to avoid (the default) or to include possible spoilers in the results. Since you're already marking pages as possibly containing spoilers, you can simply exclude marked pages.
 
Alternatively, at least allow the user the option to say, "Don't show me this warning again." That's a fairly standard approach where a warning is thought to be needed but would become annoying (even infuriating) if it came up frequently. For safety, the "don't show again" option ought to apply only to the current session or for a limited time. Even I would put up with the thing if I only needed to get rid of it once an hour (say).
 
I'm not at all objecting to giving warnings. I'm objecting to doing it in the most stupid way you could devise. (Well, the most stupid you could devise without consulting a government agency.)
 
The danger with making the warnings excessive is that users will get so used to dismissing the messages the moment they come up that they'll do it by habit '''even when they don't mean to'''. --[[Special:Contributions/89.242.70.171|89.242.70.171]]<sup>[[User talk:89.242.70.171#top|talk to me]]</sup> 05:06, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Most of the suggestions you're making either aren't possible within a MediaWiki framework, or have been made impossible by Wikia.  This is the best solution some of the brightest minds on Wikia have come up with.  Is it clumsy?  Perhaps.  But it's better than nothing.  And it really only affects those who actually frequent — in the full sense of that word — the Howling.  Which is a tiny proportion of our user base.
 
::Despite the fact that this is only affecting a minority of users, this decision has not been rushed into.  The needs of easy access to the threads was weighted against the potential that someone could get spoiled.  And there are frankly more people who could easily get spoiled by threads than those who are going to be ''massively'' inconvenienced by this.
 
::'''Again, all you have to do is click a button.  It's really not that big a deal.'''
 
::As to your alternate suggestions, let me explain some of the technical barriers.  There is no ready method, within this installation of MediaWiki 1.19 to:
 
::*Give a warning once every hour. Time has nothing to do with spoilers, anyway. It's not like one's desire to be spoiled abates or strengthens after an hour. You're going to feel the same now as you do in an hour, so a timed warning makes no logical sense.  Even if it were possible.
::*Change the search option.  I've already explored this with Wikia staff quite thoroughly.  There's no way to remove the Howling namespace from the "Everything" search, so it's entirely possible for someone to accidentally come across a Howling thread.  And now that the namespace no longer precedes results titles, a person wouldn't easily know that they were clicking on a Howling thread.  All they get is the bare title of the thread, so there's literally no other indication that a potentially spoiler-filled page is approaching.  In a typical results list you'd get '''This is a howling thread''', not '''Howling:This is a howling thread'''. We therefore definitely ''need'' a gateway on each and every thread.  I'm not at all defending or detracting from the way Wikia have structured their search engine.  I'm just saying that the way it currently works makes it impossible to exclude the Howling '''by default''' from "Everything" searches.  This means we have to take a pro-active stance at the individual thread level to ensure people know what might happen within the body of the threads.
::*Create a message which lets people know what spoilers are contained within the thread.  Obviously the message must be generic. The nature of ''any'' spoiler message is and always will be generic.  Even if we ''could'' customise the message — and we can't — we would never do it.  To tell people what spoilers are contained within the thread would be a kind of spoiler itself.  The best you can do is say that a thread ''may'' contain spoilers. I'd also point out that the spoiler screen message does say ''exactly'' that.  ''May'' contain spoilers.  This takes care of your 1996 movie thread example.  Sure, it wasn't started with the intent of spoiling, but because it's in the Howling, someone ''could'' add spoilers.  You just can't predict how a thread will develop at the Howling.  (Incidentally, the real problem isn't that the spoiler screen is inaccurately descending upon a thread with no spoilers.  It's that the thread shouldn't even be in the Howling at all.  It's actually better suited for [[Forum:Reference desk]], instead.)
 
::So, again, thanks for the feedback, but our hands are kind of tied by the the realities of the coding environment we're in.  There are any number of wild and wonderful coding snippets we'd love to put on the wiki, but we have to bow to what's possible. And honestly, as long as Wikia have tightly controlled the search engine such that it's possible to accidentally stumble upon a Howling thread — even if your [[Special:Preferences]] are set to exclude the Howling namespace — then there '''will''' be a gate on each and every Howling thread.
 
::If that diminishes interest in the Howling, honestly, it's not that big a deal.  We are not primarily a message board, and the Howling doesn't actually attract a significant amount of traffic. It would honestly be better to delete the entirety of the Howling than to have dedicated editors leave our ranks because they got spoiled by the damned thing. But we don't need to delete the Howling.  The solution of the spoiler screen, for all its clumsiness, keeps the Howling alive.
 
::And I really don't think it'll turn people off the Howling.  In fact, I think some people who frequent the Howling will actually like it, because it keeps track of those threads you've visited.  Once you've chosen to go into a thread, you don't get the spoiler screen again, unless you change your cookies in some way. So it does have a practical benefit to ''both'' Howling users ''and'' Howling avoiders.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">05:58: Tue&nbsp;14 Aug 2012&nbsp;</span>
 
One of the reasons I was so annoyed was that I was getting the message repeatedly on the '''same''' thread, each time I tried to look at it. From what you say, that shouldn't have happened & (as far as I can tell) it now doesn't. Perhaps, when I first encountered the thing, the cookies weren't functioning as intended & that made the thing seem worse than it should have been. I've not changed any options but the warning now '''doesn't''' show on threads I've already said it's OK to show. If that's the intended behaviour, it's bearable & nowhere near as bad as it was at first.
 
The behaviour I was getting at first might well have turned people off. What's happening now, I agree, probably won't. It's a pity the thing acted the way it did at first. If it had worked as it now does, you'd not have heard from me.
 
As for the time-limited "Don't show" option: My thought was that a cookie could be used. Cookies can be set to expire at a specified time. A user who chose "Don't show me this warning again for at least an hour" (or whatever) could be given a cookie that had an expiry time 1 hour later (or after whatever interval was appropriate). As long as the cookie was still current, that user wouldn't see the warning message at all. --[[Special:Contributions/89.242.78.179|89.242.78.179]]<sup>[[User talk:89.242.78.179#top|talk to me]]</sup> 05:18, August 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
:It's a truism of IT that people who are online at the moment of implementation get screwed by the changes. This is largely because stuff needs time to "settle down", or just because you as the programmer needs time to "finesse" the work into place.  Likely what you experienced a coupla days ago was the moment at which I was finessing it.  Each time that I made an incremental change in the js file, cookies would have likely been reset, which means that you would have gotten the message over and over again on teh same thread.  But no, that's not the intended behaviour, nor is it what I thought was the issue you were having.  Sorry for the miscommunication. 
 
:Yeah, sure, cookies can be, and usually are, set with some time factor. But, if I understood you correctly, you were proposing that we put a cookie at [[Howling:The Howling]], or maybe that we make the cookie on the first spoiler screen encountered by the user applicable to all other spoiler screen cookies.  The first possibility is flatly impossible, and the second ''might'' be technically possible but useless.  I think people will and do choose which Howling threads to read.  Just because they might go into one Howling thread in no way implies they want to see all of them.  So it's better to keep the screen on each individual thread. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">05:42: Wed&nbsp;15 Aug 2012&nbsp;</span>
 
==Error?==
Suddenly I'm getting pages displayed like this in the last day or two. Here's a photo: [http://www.flickr.com/photos/42713274@N08/7786738510/ Photo]. Is this problem on my end? Note I'm running Safari 6.0 on Mac OS 10.7.4.[[User:Gallicus|Gallicus]] [[User talk:Gallicus|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:19, August 15, 2012 (UTC)
:Ta for the prompt reply. Tad, annoying but I'll live, and at least I know for sure (I did suspect the wiki upgrade). :) I avoid the Oasis simply because I find it a waste of browser real estate (in other words I wouldn't mind it if it didn't constrict page widths)![[User:Gallicus|Gallicus]] [[User talk:Gallicus|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:44, August 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
==Purpose of wiki==
Yeah, the idea is to cover the BBC's filmed material - be it on television, DVD or online. --[[User:SawyerDN|SawyerDN]] [[User talk:SawyerDN|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:27, August 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Vandal ==
 
[[User:74.229.250.243]] appears to be a vandal. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 22:57, August 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
{{Please see|The Destroyers and other Lost Stories}}
 
(Well, okay, it's more like rejoin, really.) -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 23:52, August 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
===Tech Advice===
Hey, I had a quick tech-related question: You know how this Wiki's "new messages" notification has been reprogrammed to say "You have a hypercube (at ____)"? Could you tell me how to do that for other Wikis?
 
Thanks,
[[User: Dr. Anonymous1]] 15:54, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
Thanks; I've actually been wondering how to add that.
As for the removal of the original message, I had already asked TD the same question, and I didn't want to bother you twice. Thank you for telling me.
[[User: Dr. Anonymous1]] 16:43, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
Ok, it's fixed. I think. I think the link to my Talk page was accidentally eliminated when I tried to change it a while back.
[[User:Dr. Anonymous1|Dr. Anonymous1]] [[User talk:Dr. Anonymous1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:55, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
Ummm... Even after reading the thread, I still can't understand how to change it. Any chance you have enough time to give me a walkthrough on the matter?
 
In case you're wondering, I'm asking 'cos I want to edit the "new messages" notification on IZ Wiki to say "Incoming transmission (from ___)
Thanks,
[[User:Dr. Anonymous1|Dr. Anonymous1]] [[User talk:Dr. Anonymous1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:07, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
Oh, no I didn't; my brain and eyes have a nasty habit of overlooking such things. I'll check it out. [[User:Dr. Anonymous1|Dr. Anonymous1]] [[User talk:Dr. Anonymous1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:52, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
OK, so I checked the links you included in the thread, but I don't understand one thing: How am I supposed to find these templates (only word I can think of) on other Wikis? Do I just do a search for "MediaWiki:newmessagesmulti" in the search bar? For that matter, is there any guarantee that all other Wikis also have these?
 
 
Also, another matter: I talked with Tangerineduel about where to place the following information:
In a 2010 interview, Steven Moffat stated that the New Paradigm Daleks would not be replacing their bronze predecessors, but were instead created to serve as an "officer class" to their smaller counterparts. (reference: Doctor Who Brilliant Book 2011)
 
This factoid has been confirmed by several reliable sources, but I want to know where to put it: It doesn't really qualify as a spoiler, since Steven Moffat said that they were created for the aforementioned purpose, but since this hasn't yet appeared in any official episodes, TD advised me to put this fact in the "Behind the Scenes" section. To you think that this is a good course of action? [[User:Dr. Anonymous1|Dr. Anonymous1]] [[User talk:Dr. Anonymous1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:14, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
Is it ok if I just go with what TD said? [[User:Dr. Anonymous1|Dr. Anonymous1]] [[User talk:Dr. Anonymous1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:23, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Infobox reminder ==
 
Oops sorry about that, I guess I wasn't looking at the variable very carefully. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:09, August 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Page moving ==
 
Alf (disambiguation) should either be on Alf or Alfred, while the "vanilla" Alf should be on Alf (The Empty Child). Can your magic do that? I'm not accidentally requesting something doable on my own, am I? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 23:44, August 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Lack of Redemption?  ==
 
Hey, when I was here last time, I noticed that for articles like Luke Rattigan and Daleks Caan and Sec, there was a category called "reformed/redeemed individuals." (I think it was "reformed", but redeemed seems more appropriate.)
 
Anywho, I just checked all three of those articles, and it seems that this category has disappeared. Why? It doesn't make any sense! -[[User:Dr. Anonymous1|Dr. Anonymous1]] [[User talk:Dr. Anonymous1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:05, August 27, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Hallo fra Nukapedia ==
 
Hello, Czech. :) My name is Leon, and I am part of the community at Nukapedia - the Fallout Wiki. I happened across your incident at CC as I was looking over my own forum, and out of mild curiosity, I happened across this wiki as well. I notice an exuberant amount of personal and custom modifications that you rely on, and I was wondering if you could help me out with a problem of mine that had been plaguing me for nearly half a year. I currently run a social blog dubbed the 'Strategic Nuclear Moose', and once of the features I have implemented there is the use of a backdrop. (Mostly to create a proper environment, and to remove the distracting side bar and ads to the right. Yes, yes, I know about ToU violations. I have asked for Wikia help over this matter in the past though, and they don't seem to mind as long as it sticks to this one page.) The only problem with the backdrop is... it takes z-indexing priority. Meaning of course that I have now lost the use of the comment board at the bottom. This has shown a great deal of negativity, and I have been diligently looking for a way to rectify this issue. I have personally not been able to teach myself how to deal with this issue, and so I was hoping you could possible help me out here. I know it isn't much, but I really would appreciate any help possible. You may find latest edition of the Moose [http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:GarouxBloodline/The_Strategic_Nuclear_Moose_-_6/30/12 here.] Thank you for reading, and I am greatly looking forward to a response from you. Have a good day. :) [[User:GarouxBloodline|GarouxBloodline]][[User talk:GarouxBloodline|<font color= "Grey"> <sup>''Skål!''</sup> </font>]] 06:44, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
:Well, to keep the entire matter simple, the only change I'd like to see is for the comments section to become available for use again. The backdrop covers this section over, and I don't personally know how to rectify this. [[file:ForGaroux.png|40px|link=User:GarouxBloodline]][[User talk:GarouxBloodline|<font color= "Black"> <sup>''Some Assembly Required!''</sup> </font>]] 20:05, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
::If you look at the source [http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Special:CreateBlogPage?pageId=343130 here,] I just used this:
*< div style="position:fixed; top:0px; margin-left:-547px; z-index:-99;">[[File:|1550px|link=]]</div >
< div style="position:fixed; top:0px; margin-left:990px; z-index:-99;">[[File:|1550px|link=]]</div >
**Also, sorry about my signature. I went ahead and fixed that. [[file:ForGaroux.png|40px|link=User:GarouxBloodline]][[User talk:GarouxBloodline|<font color= "Black"> <sup>''Some Assembly Required!''</sup> </font>]] 20:43, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
:::I used that method because it is what I'm familiar with for adding background images. I'm not so familiar with messing around with custom CSS, so that is the reason why I am asking around for help in the first place. [[file:ForGaroux.png|40px|link=User:GarouxBloodline]][[User talk:GarouxBloodline|<font color= "Black"> <sup>''Some Assembly Required!''</sup> </font>]] 20:46, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
::::Absolutely. Let me just throw a copy into a sandbox, and I'll send it your way. I appreciate you at least looking into this for me. [[file:ForGaroux.png|40px|link=User:GarouxBloodline]][[User talk:GarouxBloodline|<font color= "Black"> <sup>''Some Assembly Required!''</sup> </font>]] 20:50, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
:::::[http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/User:GarouxBloodline/Test-Moose Here you go!] [[file:ForGaroux.png|40px|link=User:GarouxBloodline]][[User talk:GarouxBloodline|<font color= "Black"> <sup>''Some Assembly Required!''</sup> </font>]] 20:53, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately, only Sysops can edit our blogs when the blog is not your own. However, you can copy over the information I sent to you through my sandbox to create a duplicate blog. Hope that's good enough. [[file:ForGaroux.png|40px|link=User:GarouxBloodline]][[User talk:GarouxBloodline|<font color= "Black"> <sup>''Some Assembly Required!''</sup> </font>]] 21:25, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Signature Apology ==
 
Hi CzechOut, I just wanted to make sure there were no hard feeling between you or i in regards to tye signature discussion on Community Central.
 
As you may appresiate, as an admin on Central, I have to uphold certain principles set down by the staff. Often, I do not agree with them. In the discussion about your signature, I felt it was important to express a view which represented the ethos of Wikia and Central. I must admit that it was not the Special:Contact message that first got staff involved, by I myself in a Skype discussion. I said discussion, the admins and staff looked at the issue, and then staff made a decision. However, I believe there was an internal staff discussion later, as Dopp did not reply immediatley.
 
As I said, I often disagree with the principles set down to us by staff. If I had not been required to be objective, I would have certainly taken your side in the argument. The only real problem I had with you was your apparent inability to consider any form of change. I called it stubborness in the discussion, but perhaps that was a bit too harsh a word.
 
I again apologise if I have offended you in any way, but I felt it would be best to explain my actions to you, as I wasn't comfortable at just leaving any bad feelings between us. {{User:Eladkse/SigReal|07:59,&nbsp;28/08/2012}}
 
:Just to clarify my standpoint in terms of talking to the staff: I had brought up the thread because I felt that it was getting out of hand and needed a clear response from a staff member. The conversation was getting too long and confusing, with both sides getting facts wrong. Community central is a staff domain, so it was better that there was some sort of clarification from staff. {{User:Eladkse/SigReal|14:25,&nbsp;28/08/2012}}
== Qualitative category names ==
That was likely unintentional. I'll try to avoid that.
 
By the way, did you receive my previous message from a few days ago? [[User:Dr. Anonymous1|Dr. Anonymous1]] [[User talk:Dr. Anonymous1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:31, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
You make some good points.. and that category ''is'' too ambiguous. And "reformed" is not a good word for such a category.
 
Nevertheless, I ''strongly'' feel it is necessary to include a category that specifies what the subject's "alignment" was at time of death... Any categories you could create that would sufficiently perform this task without causing any technical difficulties? [[User:Dr. Anonymous1|Dr. Anonymous1]] [[User talk:Dr. Anonymous1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:11, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
OK, and ''what'' was the rationale behind that?
 
I'm not suggesting that we create Categories like "good guys" and "bad guys". I think that it should be something as simple as "Enemies" or "Allies of the Doctor." Just something as simple as that.
 
Oh, forgot my sig: [[User:Dr. Anonymous1|Dr. Anonymous1]] [[User talk:Dr. Anonymous1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:07, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
:Hah, man youmhave been gone a long time. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 01:03, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 
== Disagreement ==
 
I am afraid that I cannot agree with those verdicts: "Enemies" and "Allies" are pretty clear-cut categories, and although I can see where you're coming from, I... You know what? Forget it. I'm not going to even waste my time voicing my side. I'm never going to get anywhere anyway. :-(
 
As for the lack of a header to my message, I'm pretty sure I added one, but I dunno why it didn't show up. Probably more technical issues on my iPod's part.
 
By the way: in the future, I would greatly appreciate it if you refrained from constantly referencing my previous blocking. We all know it happened, but it happened a long time ago, and it's NOT something I'm proud of, nor likely to duplicate. That whole fiasco is to me what "Howard the Duck" is to George Lucas.
 
Jokes aside, I am trying my best to turn over a new leaf around here, but it's really hard to do that when other users seem to think of me as a criminal on parole.
[[User:Dr. Anonymous1|Dr. Anonymous1]] [[User talk:Dr. Anonymous1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:09, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 
In other words, I don't need to be reminded of the incident, and I certainly don't WANT to be reminded.
[[User:Dr. Anonymous1|Dr. Anonymous1]] [[User talk:Dr. Anonymous1|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:11, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

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Whatever happened to DiSoRiEnTeD1?[[edit source]]

Hello!

I know you have bigger fish to fry at present, and I am also sorry to begin your new talk page on such a glum note, but — User:Najawin has just alerted me, on a talk page, to your recent blocking of User:DiSoRiEnTeD1 for sockpuppetry.

DiSoRiEnTeD1 and I agreed on few things, and a mere glance at his talk page will show that he was sometimes unruly or even disruptive. Nevertheless, I never had cause to ascribe any malice to him until today; he merely came across as rash and inexperienced. DiSoRiEnTeD1 had, a little while ago, come to believe there was some sort of admin conspiracy against hims, and User:OncomingStorm12th, User:SOTO and myself had agreed that it was best to give him strong warnings, but not block him, so as to prove him wrong on this point and show him we were not some cabal itching for an excuse to ban him.

He had scarcely shown his face (well, his default user avatar) since then, however. And if he has now left us so definitively… well, I think I and several other users (from OS12th to his frequent talk-page sparring partner User:Najawin) may be owed some closure on the subject of DiSoRiEnTeD1. Najawin, for example, had scruples on the talk page I mentioned earlier, because, for all that he often went overboard in defense of it, DiSoRiEnTeD1 was the main and most steadfast supports of positions opposite to Najawin's (or to mine) in many discussions. Which puts us all in the somewhat awkward position of "winning" by default, without the opposition getting to have a say at the conclusion.

So, after all that, and because your blocking-summary was rather vague (and you did not, or at least have not yet, posted a more fully written-out rationale on his talk page)… my question is just — what happened? What precisely did he do? When? Where?

To be clear, I am not asking for any kind of reduction to his ban, or questioning your decision; if he did indeed break T:SOCK, there is nothing more to be said on the matter in terms of his actual punishment. My questions are just that — curiosity. And perhaps a hint of sadness that it came to this, after all the tiresome drama and the accusations and the reassurances. DiSoRiEnTeD1, at least until this sockpuppetry business, was never a troll, and is owed, perhaps, a little respect as he goes.


…But as I led with, all these rather nebulous feelings of mine are nothing urgent, and I know you have other things on your plate. Get to this when it's convenient for you, and don't hurry yourself on my account! The UCP, home page and so on are clearly more pressing uses of your limited time. Scrooge MacDuck 23:28, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls[[edit source]]

Hello. I know you've been busy but this looks possibly important so I wanted to let you know. After seeing Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls, I created the page with an explanation as to what it was, as there was some confusion. When the edit completed a big message appeared about "change propagation" and the "job queue". I don't know enough about the code of MediaWiki to know what this really means, or if it will affect anything, but seeing as it appears important and you control the technical aspects of the wiki, I thought you should know. I hope it didn't mess up anything... Chubby Potato 09:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Something odd[[edit source]]

I have been noticing a recent surge of either multiple IP users or one user with a fluctuating IP creating some truly bizarre spam pages consisting of pure nonsense and usually being horribly garbled copies of existing valid maintenance pages. Also exhibiting some similar behaviour and overlap of interests to some earlier vandals coming over here from some truly strange wiki apparently about old people of all things to insert ageist remarks into pages about Peter Capaldi and sexist one into pages about Jodie Whittaker. Yeah, I don't know either. NightmareofEden 12:52, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Re: Master discussion[[edit source]]

Good to know. I did just make another post on the matter just before I received your message, so feel free to delete that. I would like to ask you politely to unlock the initial discussion though, as you did ask for ideas. Regards,

21:20, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Re: Discussions use[[edit source]]

Right right, I see!

Well, honestly — I agree with you, on the usefulness of not holding policy-making threads in Discussions! It's just that your own quite detailed post seemed to me like a Forum post, and so I thought you had changed your mind about this. I have no particular wish that we do this now, so long as it is agreed that we do it later; I genuinely thought you were the one who wanted it handled in Discussions, there.

But thanks for the explanation, all the same! Scrooge MacDuck 22:02, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Re: DWM[[edit source]]

Just saw your message at User talk:LegoK9: …what's going on, here? Since when do copyright-holders ring us up and ask us not to include an image on the Wiki? What about fair use and all that? So long as we are reproducing the images for a documentary purpose, there isn't supposed to be much they can say — is there?

To be clear I assume you have a good reason, but I'm wondering about what kind of a weird precedent this is setting, and how it should be applied in future. Scrooge MacDuck 19:38, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Well, yes — but here I can't see how we could possibly be talking about questions of privacy. These are not candid images of private individuals, found in a derelict corner of the web and unfairly signal-booted. These are images that are even now widely reproduced in Doctor Who Magazine. DWM is widely sold among Who fans — and more widely read, perhaps, than our own Wiki.
Furthermore they are not images of a real person, but publicity shots of the Doctor. If DWM asked us not to reproduce a particular publicity shot of Peter Capaldi as the Twelfth Doctor, would we be forced to delete it to "protect Capaldi's privacy"? Scrooge MacDuck 23:06, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Hm. I suppose I see what you mean — and I certainly see the sense in maintaining good relations with DWM. I do have to question the wisdom of such a hard rule as "wishes of the copyright holder always trump fair use": what if Big Finish came out and asked us not to host any images of their covers at all, or something of the kind? I could see a publisher of DWU fiction making that kind of pronouncement, albeit not necessarily the Beeb themselves. I can't imagine we could comply with that kind of blanket ban, and still remain a halfway useful Wiki. If they threaten legal action that is another thing, but a mere wish should not paralyse a whole fandom so.
I am speaking in general terms, though. The point is well-taken that in this case we have other publicity shots of that Doctor, from that year, in that outfit. It is not at all essential that we retain this particular one on the Wiki, so we might as well keep DWM happy.
(For the record I have seen a comparable case on another Wiki on which I am an admin; but that case involved a picture of a real person, not a 50-year-old publicity shot of a character; and furthermore it was not a picture readily available to the whole of the fandom in a magazine.) Scrooge MacDuck 23:51, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Invite[[edit source]]

Incidentally, this is unrelated to the above matter, but I am still waiting on you for that Slack invite, unless you already sent it and my spam folder ate it up. (If you've misplaced my email address, it's still one of my most recent messages to you on Discord.) Scrooge MacDuck 23:57, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Millennia's blue hair[[edit source]]

I already made a forum post about this, but maybe this is better. Where did the information on Millennia's blue hair come from? It's been bugging many of us in the Deca fandom for quite some time. I see the edit on that was made in August of 2011, while the page itself was made in 2009. Many people have read through Divided Loyalties, even going as far as to specifically search for "blue hair," and have turned up empty. Was this just some fan thing that everyone agreed upon? Thank you! ~@starryeyedgazer June 6th, 2021

Manarchy ban[[edit source]]

Hello. You might not remember me but my account is called Manarchy. I'm currently using a VPN to talk to you and i wanted to talk about my ban. It's been a couple of years since i even visited this wikia and I realised that I had grown more mature as the years went by. If it is possible, is there any way you could unban my account? I apologise for my actions as a young teenager and promise that I will be more mature on this site. If it is impossible, then i'm just glad to wrap things up with this wikia.

Manarchy 01:29 July 7, 2021 (UTC)

(Heads'up, I've informed Manarchy of the inappropriateness of their VPN shenanigans. I'll leave making a judgment on the request itself to you, though.) Scrooge MacDuck 00:35, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Overall Century layout + Century timeline template fix[[edit source]]

Hi, I'm sort of a lurker on this wiki, though I do currently own Eminem Wiki, so I have used the Wikitext language before, though I am certain there's a few things I'd need to learn. I've attempted to understand (and fix, though I haven't made any changes permanent) through the creation and usage of the template Template:TimelineRevised and (originally) Template:Order of Centuries (which should be deleted), with no success. I noticed that (ex. 1st century) the listed centuries are duplicated in the list (as the categories themselves as well as the pages for the individual centuries are listed).
- Kris tha 6'7" 23:48, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Re: Some of your recent changes and proposals[[edit source]]

Hi, thanks for your detailed breakdown. There are a few things that I would like to rebut, protest and clarify. The stuff in Fandomdesktop.css was only ever intended to be temporary. It was just a collection of fixes to apply over the top of existing CSS. I had plans to write some better, more permanent CSS but this was impractical due to the fact that I can't edit these CSS pages and so had to use my off-wiki contact with Scrooge MacDuck and OncomingStorm12th to get the CSS implemented. Therefore, I deemed the method I used to be most ideal as it's better to have something that works, even if it's not perfect, then nothing at all.

The background was not added by me but rather SOTO. I believe the reason it was done through CSS was because it was more complex then a single image but I'm not entirely sure.

The issue with screenreaders is to do with collapsibles and I'm sorry to admit that I rolled out a set of templates into the theory namespace a few days ago. I'm not sure how you may want to proceed here.

My understanding of SMW was that, if a wiki has it enabled, it is fine for that wiki to use it. Certainly, I've spoken a fair bit with users on the Fandom Discord server about it and I was never told not to use it. While I do prefer Cargo, SMW is very useful and I feel it should be used to it's fullest potential. Moreover, it's already used heavily in templates such as {{wales crew}} and {{Speedy rename}} so surely a few more wouldn't hurt. Also, the template being developed in that sandbox was not to automate prefixes but rather to add more detail to citations. This would be a massive burden to have to type manually.

Tooltips was a route I was considering a long time ago but I haven't been for a while now.

I hope that you are now feeling better on the medical front. Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500) 07:41, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Something else that I've just remembered about my use of Fandomdesktop.css is that I wrote a lot of it when Oasis was still the primary skin and I didn't want anything I was writing for FandomDesktop to have side effects on Oasis. Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500) 07:50, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Anonnotice error[[edit source]]

Hello, I'm glad you're back and I hope you're feeling better now. I know you're still fixing up the tech and visual stuff, but I just wanted to let you know that MediaWiki:Anonnotice was oddly displaying a portion of an infobox which I determined to be from Popidius Celsinus. I hadn't even been on that page. It only happens sometimes but it's very strange. Chubby Potato 05:02, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Temporary forums[[edit source]]

Hey, hope you've been alright with the (gestures around toward the abstract) everything lately. This is actually a message from multiple admin (myself, user:OncomingStorm12th and user:Scrooge MacDuck), though it is me writing this. (Don't worry too much about it.)

So while you're been busy working on the new forums for the UCP, with the return to the actual Forum namespace no doubt around the corner, a number of users have suggested we set up temporary forums, so we can still get the essential discussions out of the way, in the meantime. We think this is a good idea. We've actually been developing a discussion at Tardis talk:Temporary forums, where others have chimed in (including user:Tangerineduel, who also thinks it's a good idea).

Creatures who hold Time in this universe together broken. Time is beginning to run wild. Could really harm the Tardis. So I made a short-term repair.

Basically, six slots would be open for new discussions (we actually have a list of priorities going). In the spirit of Doctor Who: Flux, rather like the Mouri in the Temple of Atropos, all forum discussion passes through these spaces (beyond the scope of talk pages). When one closes, its spot will be opened for another to take its place.

[[Tardis:Temporary forums]] would be the Hub, with

1. Links to these six spaces;
2: A list of future discussions ("Next Up", agreed to on the talk page);
3. An archive section (with table format, showing resolves/unresolved, and a quick summary of the closing remarks).

All in one place. This will help with moving things over to the Actual Forums. And there will be a strict time limit on these discussions: three weeks until closing time. When this time is up, if a discussion has not reached a conclusion, it'll be closed as unresolved (marked yellow in the table), and taken to the bottom of the list, to be revived later.

This is all to make sure we get the maximum gain (actual resolution) out of a small number of discussions at any one time (to ease the load, creating a smoother transition, with only a small number of pages to move over into the New Forums, later on)[1].

The thing is, we just wanted to make sure you weren't just about to hit that big friendly button before proceeding. No point in all this, after all, if there won't be time enough for round one before the next stage of forum evolution's upon us again. We were thinking about opening the temporary forums on the Sunday after next, around Doctor Who time[2] That'd be Sunday Jan 23rd, 19:30 UTC. Unless you think you'll have the Newest Forums up and running by then?

Happy New Year, by the way!
× SOTO (//) 21:19, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

  1. It will also make sure these will be non-trivial discussions for us to pass over. To be added to the list, a new proposal needs to meet two criteria: It must... 1: be actionable (within the three week time limit, it should be possible to hash out), 2: affect a large number of pages.
  2. Which is to say, around the time we'd start the page for a new episode of Doctor Who. Bottom of the hour, as you once explained to me.
Perfectly alright! I'm in no rush personally, but the community's been calling for things to move forward again. (Obviously, no extra steps would be better.) Glad to hear you're doing well. It's been a while.
× SOTO (//) 03:34, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Late reply, but all good! Glad to see it's being worked on. We'll hold off for now if that's the case, don't worry.
× SOTO (//) 22:27, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Off-topic megathread for discussions[[edit source]]

So I’ve seen a few wikis with off-topic megathreads (Jurassic Park wiki being one example, with the “Chaos Zone”), which are basically discussions threads where users can post whatever they want that is not related to the subject of the wiki (in this case, posts unrelated to Doctor Who) in the replies to that thread. We could put it in the FANDOM posts category, so it’s easier to find, and we can tell users about it whenever a discussion is or goes off-topic. Maybe we could call it “The Void” too, as it is technically outside of “the universe of the wiki”, as the void was outside the universe of Doctor Who. What do you think about this idea? GaganTopia 20:41, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

: Name a list of wikis I have been banned on and when I was banned on them. And my actions on other wikis should not impact how I am on this one, as I've done nothing wrong here, it's not fair, and I do make edits when I see pages to be edited. GaganTopia 19:47, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Talk page number... things[[edit source]]

The number displayed on the talk page "thingy" on pages seems to be off currently - possible because of a recent Fandom update, so I thought you were the best person to ask. It seems to display "1" for a while after more messages have been added, which certainly throws me off, as I've used this number to confirm if I've received a response in the past. Do you have any clue what could have caused this? (2 screenshots are displayed below for illustrative purposes)

Cookieboy 2005 20:02, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Another issue[[edit source]]

Navigation templates, or "navboxes", also have an issue - they're open by default & cannot be collapsed.

Cookieboy 2005 20:34, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

There is no legitimate reason to remove the image gallery from the Pilot Episode's article.[[edit source]]

I looked up the image rules, and there is no rule stating that only articles of valid stories can have image galleries. People will want to see the changes between the pilot and the broadcast. ApertureEmployee427 23:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Personal information[[edit source]]

Hey, how have you been? User:Najawin recently alerted me over personal/potentially doxxing information being added to one of our pages recently by an anonymous user. Since then, I've protected the page so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it (which thankfully stopped the info being added again), but Najawin further contacted me pointing out that we should probably delete said revisions from the page (which I don't believe is something I am able to do.

Would you mind helping out on this? OncomingStorm12th 18:41, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Just to note, for the technical bit of this getting done, the first edit to add potentially doxxing information was on 26 May 2022‎, and more information was added over time. Nobody noticed it aside from an IP user until this past September when I was checking some old conversations I had and links in them. I promptly removed the info, but someone then added it back. Clearing out the original May edit and all since then is probably the way to go. Najawin 06:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Forums discussion[[edit source]]

Hey, I know you've been busy, but I wanted to let you know that in light of the two year anniversary of the forums being down a good deal of the active editors have been having a discussion over at Forum talk:Index. We'd love for you to read it over and join the conversation when you have the time. Najawin 20:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Template:Wales crew updates[[edit source]]

Hi! Terribly sorry to bother you, but for about a year now I've been, I think, the main person filling in the "Wales crew" template for new episodes (starting with The Halloween Apocalypse, although the one for Revolution of the Daleks is also mostly my work), and I've been logging the new variables they need added over at Template talk:Wales crew.

I gather that User:SOTO has been basically in charge of the template for some time now, but after a very courteous initial reply I haven't received any more communication from them and the template appears unchanged – understandable as they're very busy! I also tried leaving a message on their talk page a few months ago, but no dice... which is why I'm here, as from the talk page it looks like you used to deal with that template.

I wonder if you might be willing to put me in touch with SOTO, take a look at it yourself, or point me in the direction of someone else who could help? If it's an option, I would love to be able to edit the template myself instead of endlessly bothering busy admins. Again, I'm very sorry to contact you out of the blue about something you used to maintain ten years ago! Starkidsoph 23:45, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

User rights nomination[[edit source]]

Hi CzechOut, long time no chat! I'm sure you saw my nomination of Bongolium500 for adminship, but just want to do due diligence and let you know just in case. I'll also take the chance to thank you for your attention to Forum talk:Index – very much looking forward to the fresh start, and very appreciative of your stopping by to take us over the finish line despite the busy time of year :) – n8 () 18:54, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving! It's now been a little over one week since Bongo's nomination discussion began, so we'd be ready for you to weigh in. By the way, any update or new ETA for the forums? – n8 ()

Bongolium 500[[edit source]]

Hi Czechout I know I am in the wrong place however for some reason I am unable to comment on the user rights page but long story short i absolutely and wholeheartedly support bongolium 500 in becoming a admin, I know I haven't really contributed anything yet but this is because I am currently trying to learn the rules and how to include the source of my information but I will hopefully be contributing at some point as not only am I a huge doctor who fan but I sometimes work on doctor who as a stunt performer!!!, Anyway I support Bongolium 500 because as a newcomer to contributing on this wikia he is invaluable for the technical stuff in the form of creating new templates I plan to use his help with templates when I hopefully start contributing. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ser0slug (talk • contribs) .

Happy new year[[edit source]]

I Know 2023 isn't here yet, though as I'm near the last day til New Year's Eve, happy new year. User:Sum41Champ


Temporary Forums Are Live![[edit source]]

Hello!

Just wanted to notify you that, User:CzechOut's final deadline of "by New Year's Day" having passed, and following in-depth discussion between myself and fellow admins User:SOTO, User:OncomingStorm12th and User:Bongolium500, we have decided to activate Tardis:Temporary forums, come what may. A sitenotice has been set to inform the community of this development, and I am taking it upon myself to personally update our Administrators on the situation, as well as User:Spongebob456.

As the name implies, we hope the Temporary Forums will remain — well — temporary. Any work on reactivating proper DPL Forums will still be welcome and appreciated; this system is a further fine-tuning of the setup Bongolium500 had proposed in December 2021, which it means is designed from the ground up to be easy to transfer into the actual DPL Forums if we should get those back in the near future after all.

But it has been multiple years since the Wiki has had a venue for changing policy and forming community consensus on important matters. Bongolium500 and SOTO put forward the first draft of the Temporary Forums a full year ago — and were convinced to retract it by a promise that the real Forums would come ‘very soon’; and here we are. I don't think anyone's at fault, least of all you; it is clear that you've had the Wiki's best interests at heart all through this. But the fact is thatthe time has come to realise that this overly-optimistic strategy of endlessly putting off an imperfect temporary solution in pursuit of a perfect one "soon"… has failed, resoundingly. It is time for a different approach. The Tardis community are owed a different approach.

We four elementals behind the Temporary Forums would like to reassure the rest of the admin team that this necessary step is not intended to create more work for them unbidden. Four are, if it comes to that, plenty enough to keep the peace a Forum with no more than six threads running at a time; we would be thrilled to see the rest of the team embracing the Temporary Forums, but please don't feel any obligation to do so.

Happy New Year, happy editing — and happy contribution to the New Forums!

Scrooge MacDuck 11:01, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Re: Forums[[edit source]]

Hi. I've accepted your friend request. Having the Forum namespace back in action is certainly going to be very helpful. Bongo50 05:45, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Heads up about the thanks extension[[edit source]]

Hi. I just wanted to give you a heads up that Tardis is testing the "thanks" extension which Fandom will be rolling out to all wikis soon. This extension allows editors to thank other editors for their edits. The editor being thanked will then recieve a notification. Therefore, while you're actively performing edits, you may receieve a few more notifications than normal. If you notice any bugs, pass them onto User:Spongebob456. Bongo50 19:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Why don't you use your bot anymore?[[edit source]]

It hasn't made any edits since september 2020. Sliderhostmimic 18:12, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Request to correct a mistake[[edit source]]

Hi CzechOut I am fairly new to contributing to this fandom but I contribute to another regularly, anyway I have accidentally linked to a category that doesn't exist, I intended to link to the category UNIT United Kingdom however I have accidentally confused myself and created UNIT UK, please can you try and rectify my mistake on my behalf as I know I can't do it without being a admin (I'm a admin on another fandom, so I have inside knowledge of being a admin)

'Which Way Out?' short story[[edit source]]

Hello, I have been looking for a certain Doctor Who story for a long time. I mean 'Which Way Out?' from TV Comic Holiday Special 1976. It's hard to find any information about this story, but I did find that you wrote an article about it on the TARDIS Wiki, so I assume you've read it. I was wondering if you might still have access to this story? I will be very grateful for your answer.