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== May wordmark cont. ==
''Continued over from archive.''
:Sorry it took this long. Haven't been around my computer. I am ''really'' happy that we have Five over with! That one was a toughie...
:Anyway, I noticed that you ''already'' replaced it. Now the wordmark at the top is kinda blurry.
:How about, for the wordmark on top:
:[[File:TardisDataCoreFive19.png]]
:And, for the wordmark on the main page:
:<div style=background-color:#00000>[[File:TardisDataCoreFive21 big.png|200px]]</div>
:I think that looks much cleaner.<br>--[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 02:58, May 1, 2013 (UTC)


== More vandalism, with apologies ==
== Whatever happened to DiSoRiEnTeD1? ==


There's been another bout of vandalism over at the [[Controller (Bad Wolf)]] page - I seem to have unintentionally involved myself in an editing war there. I know it's the same person because he always puts in the same corrections - changes the name to Fat Controller, changes the word Dalek into Engines or Troublesome Trucks. Usually if I see vandalism I just revert it as a matter of course, but I think I'm going to let the admins deal with it this time - he seems to be a repeat offender, plus he made so many edits I have no idea how to revert it. This time, he also singled me out personally by leaving a message on my talk page, letting me know he had vandalised the page and to "sort it out!"
Hello!


On that subject, I lost my cool a little bit at that point (even though there's a notification at the top of the page that says, specifically, "KEEP YOUR COOL") and left him a message (on my own talk page, since he was unregistered and has since been banned) letting him know what I think of his expenditure. I've left it up, unedited, and if it's deemed that an admin needs to take action, I'll accept whatever that may be. Worth it. [[User:TARDIStraveler|TARDIStraveler]] [[User talk:TARDIStraveler|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:21, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
I know you have [[Sea creature (Thin Ice)|bigger fish]] to fry at present, and I am also sorry to begin your new talk page on such a glum note, but — [[User:Najawin]] has just alerted me, on a talk page, to your recent blocking of [[User:DiSoRiEnTeD1]] for sockpuppetry.


== Covering eyes ==
DiSoRiEnTeD1 and I agreed on few things, and a mere glance at his talk page will show that he was sometimes unruly or even disruptive. Nevertheless, I never had cause to ascribe any malice to him until today; he merely came across as rash and inexperienced. DiSoRiEnTeD1 had, a little while ago, come to believe there was some sort of admin conspiracy against hims, and [[User:OncomingStorm12th]], [[User:SOTO]] and myself had agreed that it was best to give him strong warnings, but ''not'' block him, so as to prove him wrong on this point and show him we were not some cabal itching for an excuse to ban him.


Well because that's the most recognizable-at-first picture of a Weeping Angel you might put the picture simply elsewhere in the page! [[User:HiddenVale|<span style="color:green;">HiddenVale</span>]] 22:36, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
He had scarcely shown his face (well, his default user avatar) since then, however. And if he has now left us so definitively… well, I think I and several other users (from OS12th to his frequent talk-page sparring partner [[User:Najawin]]) may be owed some closure on the subject of DiSoRiEnTeD1. Najawin, for example, had scruples on [[Talk:List of recurring Doctor Who concepts not owned by the BBC#Original Mammoths|the talk page I mentioned earlier]], because, for all that he often went overboard in defense of it, DiSoRiEnTeD1 was the main and most steadfast supports of positions ''opposite'' to Najawin's (or to mine) in many discussions. Which puts us all in the somewhat awkward position of "winning" by default, without the opposition getting to have a say at the conclusion.


== see also and other questions ==
So, after all that, and because your blocking-summary was rather vague (and you did not, or at least have not yet, posted a more fully written-out rationale on his talk page)… my question is just — what ''happened''? What precisely did he do? When? Where?


I thought that see also was a good way of letting the reader know that there were other articles on a similar topic that might contain additional information that isn't in the article. A good way to link to things that we might not be able to link to in the text of the article. At the mo' we only have one entry in the cupcake article. It's something that was ''entirely'' visual, we don't have the choice of words that who used, because who didn't use words. In the beginning of the episode the Doctor is reminiscing about cakes with edible ball bearings and in the end Rose brings him that. The only text that we have to apply is "cake" and "edible ball bearing". Everything else is visual (well, there are yummy sounds). That's what my reasoning was. I was also taking note from some of the alcohol related pages I'd been recently working on.
To be clear, I am not asking for any kind of reduction to his ban, or ''questioning'' your decision; if he did indeed break [[T:SOCK]], there is nothing more to be said on the matter in terms of his actual punishment. My questions are just that — curiosity. And perhaps a hint of sadness that it came to this, after all the tiresome drama and the accusations and the reassurances. DiSoRiEnTeD1, at least until this sockpuppetry business, was never a troll, and is owed, perhaps, a little respect as he goes.  


So what is the appropriate way to use see also? Is there ever a reason to use it for in-universe articles or should those lists be stripped from the other pages?


The capitalisation and category--I wasn't confused, just moving super fast. Too fast apparently. I try to watch for that, but it sometimes happens.
…But as I led with, all these rather nebulous feelings of mine are nothing urgent, and I know you have other things on your plate. Get to this when it's convenient for you, and don't hurry yourself on my account! The UCP, home page and so on are clearly more pressing uses of your limited time. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:28, 25 November 2020 (UTC)


Also, what's the precise difference between <nowiki>{{Demonym}} and {{conjecture}}?</nowiki> Is demonym new? Do we have other versions of this for other article types? For something like [[Tiaanamat]]?
== Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls ==


Also, I was thinking about doing some work on real-world animals? Can I create a real-world animal category as long as I don't take animals from mammals per GOR? Thanks. [[User:Anoted|Anoted]] [[User talk:Anoted|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:53, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I know you've been busy but this looks possibly important so I wanted to let you know. After seeing [[:Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls]], I created the page with an explanation as to what it was, as there was some confusion. When the edit completed a big message appeared about "change propagation" and the "job queue". I don't know enough about the code of MediaWiki to know what this really means, or if it will affect anything, but seeing as it appears important and you control the technical aspects of the wiki, I thought you should know. I hope it didn't mess up anything... [[User:Chubby Potato|Chubby Potato]] [[User talk:Chubby Potato|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
:Thanks for that clarification, it was very helpful. The reason I copy-paste to my talk page is because I like to be able to look back at old conversations. That's really hard when they span multiple places. The problem isn't so much during a conversation--I can have two talk pages open at once and generally do. But if a conversation goes on for a while, or if I'm looking back at an old conversation, then it's just sooo easy to get lost. Would it help if I only copy my half after you've posted? Thread my comments inbetween yours? Because I don't want to compromise the ability of others to use my talk page.
:What I was trying to ask about animals was about the exact way that game of rassilon categories works. All years are in the top cat years for GOR even though they wouldn't normally be, right? So if a category for real world mammals was added (a subcat of earth mammals) then [[Guinea pig]] would be in both [[:Category:Real world mammals]] and [[:Category:Earth mammals]] for the duration of Earth mammals involvement in GOR. The same way that [[bear]] is in [[:Category:Bears]] and [[:Category:Earth mammals]], right? Bear is only in the earth mammal category because of GOR, right?
:And yeah, I'm planning on maintaining my focus on foods, but I like being able to do grunt work that can't be assigned to a bot when my brain needs a break. Un-orphaning pages, copy-editing, wikilinking, putting things in categories all take varying amounts of brain power and it's nice to be able to switch things around and do other types of editing. I made some edits in the past week that I had to undo to maintain the GOR and I just wanted to be super clear about how GOR worked. If there's still something I don't understand about it I'd like to know now, not after an edit of mine screws things up. I like to think that I pick up pretty quickly on most guidelines and rules simply from watching my edits and reading edit summaries when they are reverted but not everything is obvious and things that I thought were obvious sometimes end up being a little more complicated. So I figured that it didn't hurt to touch base. [[User:Anoted|Anoted]] [[User talk:Anoted|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:50, May 3, 2013 (UTC)


== Not being a fan of biography sections? ==
== Something odd ==


It seems off-topic to press on the point in a topic specifically about the special case of the TARDIS, so I'll ask here: in [[Thread:129452]], you mention not being a fan of history and biography sections on in-universe pages. Could you elaborate on what you mean by that and how they can end up messy and sloppily written? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 09:53, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
I have been noticing a recent surge of either multiple IP users or one user with a fluctuating IP creating some truly bizarre spam pages consisting of pure nonsense and usually being horribly garbled copies of existing valid maintenance pages. Also exhibiting some similar behaviour and overlap of interests to some earlier vandals coming over here from some truly strange wiki apparently about old people of all things to insert ageist remarks into pages about Peter Capaldi and sexist one into pages about Jodie Whittaker. Yeah, I don't know either. [[User:NightmareofEden|NightmareofEden]] [[User talk:NightmareofEden|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:52, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
: Hmm, that's an interesting point. I simply add "biography" by default if the page is more than a couple of paragraphs, and the character is substantially more than "guard reacting to event". When I personally make pages like that, I think that was from following what was said on [[Tardis:Guide to writing Individuals articles]]. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 14:13, May 3, 2013 (UTC)


== species v. creatures v. animals ==
== Re: Master discussion ==


[[:Category:Species]], per our current definition is supposed to be used for intelligent lifeforms.
Good to know. I did just make [https://tardis.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000003394852 another post] on the matter just before I received your message, so feel free to delete that. I would like to ask you politely to unlock the initial discussion though, as you ''did'' ask for ideas. Regards, <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><code>'''Epsilon'''</code></span>]][[doctorwho:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 21:20, 27 February 2021 (UTC)


[[:Category:Creatures]], per our current definition is supposed to be used for non-intelligent lifeforms--animals that do not exist in the real world (RW).
== Re: Discussions use ==
Right right, I see!


But that's not how things are working right now. While most of the articles under [[:Category:Creatures]] are not intelligent, they are ''also'' often categorised as species. And there are lots of non-intelligent lifeforms currently ''only'' categorised as species.
Well, honestly — I agree with you, on the usefulness of ''not'' holding policy-making threads in Discussions! It's just that ''your own'' quite detailed post seemed to me like a Forum post, and so I thought ''you'' had changed your mind about this. I have no particular ''wish'' that we do this now, so long as it is agreed that we do it later; I genuinely thought ''you'' were the one who wanted it handled in Discussions, there.


I'm guessing that a large part of this is because [[:Category:Creatures]] has no subcategories. So if you want to categorise something as a mutant, or silicon-based, you put them in the species category tree.
But thanks for the explanation, all the same! [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:02, 27 February 2021 (UTC)


This is also highly complicated by the way we treat the animal categories, primarily [[:Category:Animals by zoologic class]]. The animal categories seem to be set up with the intention of handling only real world, non-intelligent lifeforms. But we have intelligent lifeforms being categorised as both species and animal (see [[Cei]]) and unintelligent lifeforms being categorised as creature and animal (see [[Stingray]]). Intelligent or not, none of these are real world lifeforms, so I'm not sure why they are considered animals. But this is a widespread practice, and leads to articles like [[Giant Clam]] being categorised as creature ([[:Category:Skaro creatures]]), animal ([[:Category:Molluscs]]) and species ([[:Category:Mutants]]), which is confusing as hell and makes zero sense.
== Re: DWM ==
Just saw your message at [[User talk:LegoK9]]: …what's going on, here? Since when do copyright-holders ring us up and ask us not to include an image on the Wiki? What about fair use and all that? So long as we are reproducing the images for a documentary purpose, there isn't supposed to be much they can say — is there?


It seems like this system was set-up with a couple clear divisions in mind. Intelligent and not intelligent. And then each of those was supposed to be divided into RW and non-RW.  
To be clear I assume you have a good reason, but I'm wondering about what kind of a weird precedent this is setting, and how it should be applied in future. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:38, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
:Well, yes — but here I can't see how we could possibly be talking about questions of ''privacy''. These are not candid images of private individuals, found in a derelict corner of the web and unfairly signal-booted. These are images that are even now widely reproduced in ''[[Doctor Who Magazine]]''. DWM is widely sold among ''Who'' fans — and more widely read, perhaps, than our own Wiki.  


'''''Or''''' is the actual intent of the current system to have a set-up that has intelligent, un-intelligent, RW and non-RW lifeforms all co-existing in same categories? Are we supposed to have category called "aquatic species" where we can find every water based lifeform whether or not they are intelligent and whether or not they really exist?
:Furthermore they are not images of a real person, but publicity shots of [[the Doctor (The Brain of Morbius)|the Doctor]]. If DWM asked us not to reproduce a particular publicity shot of [[Peter Capaldi]] as the [[Twelfth Doctor]], would we be forced to delete it to "protect Capaldi's privacy"? [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:06, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
::Hm. I suppose I see what you mean — and I certainly see the sense in maintaining good relations with DWM. I do have to question the wisdom of such a hard rule as "wishes of the copyright holder ''always'' trump fair use": what if Big Finish came out and asked us not to host ''any'' images of their covers at ''all'', or something of the kind? I could see a publisher of DWU fiction making that kind of pronouncement, albeit not necessarily the Beeb themselves. I can't imagine we could comply with that kind of blanket ban, and still remain a halfway useful Wiki. If they threaten legal action that is another thing, but a mere ''wish'' should not paralyse a whole fandom so.


The way the categories currently function I don't know what the intent is--there's just too much contradiction.  
::I am speaking in general terms, though. The point is well-taken that in this case we have other publicity shots of that Doctor, from that year, in that outfit. It is not at all essential that we retain this particular one on the Wiki, so we might as well keep DWM happy.  


If RW lifeforms are not supposed to overlap with non-RW lifeforms, and intelligent lifeforms are not supposed to overlap with non-intelligent lifeforms, then I think it should be fairly easy to set-up subcategories for [[:Category:Creatures]] and go through the articles in [[:Category:Species]] and [[:Category:Creatures]] and put them in the proper category trees. And then go through the animal categories and strip away the non-RW articles and categories.
::(For the record I ''have'' seen a comparable case on another Wiki on which I am an admin; but that case involved a picture of a real person, not a 50-year-old publicity shot of a ''character''; and furthermore it was not a picture readily available to the whole of the fandom in a magazine.) [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:51, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


If these are ''supposed'' to overlap then there's quite a bit more work to be done creating an category system for all lifeforms that includes divisions by real world existence and intelligence, but also includes subcategories for appearance and function that contain all types of lifeforms.
== Invite ==
Incidentally, this is unrelated to the above matter, but I am still waiting on you for that Slack invite, unless you already sent it and my spam folder ate it up. (If you've misplaced my email address, it's still one of my most recent messages to you on Discord.) [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:57, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


I don't want to touch anything until I know which way these categories are really supposed to work, so I'm coming to you hoping that you can clear this up for me. [[User:Anoted|Anoted]] [[User talk:Anoted|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:05, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
== Millennia's blue hair ==
:I understand the different between Earth ___ and _____ from the real world, don't worry. And I know that it's "from the real world" and that "real world ____" actually means something here and it's very different, and that's a dangerous place to get informal. I just super hate typing all of those "from the real world"s. So annoying! I wasn't planning on creating a "Mammals from the real world" category--it would have almost 100% overlap with the Earth mammals category so it seems silly. I was just using it as an example per GOR. Creating a "from the real world" category wouldn't screw up GOR as long as I only ''added'' pages to it, not moved pages from their current category to a new subcategory. That's all I was trying to clarify.
:The thing I'm still confused about in terms of the lifeform categories is are they supposed to be divided up be real world/not and intelligent/not or is there supposed to be a tree that encompasses all of those things. Because if it's supposed to encompass everything, that's going to be one hell of tree.
:In regards to the talk page thing, is your issue with my adding the other half of the conversation in terms of handling ongoing discussions, or...? If I put the other half of the conversations in only right before archiving, would that bother you? If while a conversation was ongoing I put in links to the diffs of what I said, would that be ok? I don't want to negatively affect other people's ability to communicate with me, but being able to easily find other parts of the conversation and archive full conversations is important to me. Also, this is something totally different but are there scripts for auto-archiving? That is archiving things that are x days old? I tried looking, but wasn't sure where to look on wikia and wikipedia takes up the first bajillion google results. [[User:Anoted|Anoted]] [[User talk:Anoted|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:07, May 3, 2013 (UTC)


== Speedy rename question ==
I already made a forum post about this, but maybe this is better. Where did the information on Millennia's blue hair come from? It's been bugging many of us in the Deca fandom for quite some time. I see the edit on that was made in August of 2011, while the page itself was made in 2009. Many people have read through Divided Loyalties, even going as far as to specifically search for "blue hair," and have turned up empty. Was this just some fan thing that everyone agreed upon? Thank you!
~@starryeyedgazer
June 6th, 2021


Hi! I have a question about procedure for the speedy renames. When do they get changed? Some of them have their links moved, some don't. Only one of them has more than 10 links to move. Do they need to be approved before they can be renamed? Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:29, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
== Manarchy ban ==
:Ok, I just wanted to make sure. I'll take a look at the list later today and see what's left to do. Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:53, May 3, 2013 (UTC)


== czechbot requests ==
Hello. You might not remember me but my account is called Manarchy. I'm currently using a VPN to talk to you and i wanted to talk about my ban. It's been a couple of years since i even visited this wikia and I realised that I had grown more mature as the years went by. If it is possible, is there any way you could unban my account? I apologise for my actions as a young teenager and promise that I will be more mature on this site. If it is impossible, then i'm just glad to wrap things up with this wikia.


I have a couple requests for czechbot:
[[User:Manarchy|Manarchy]] 01:29 July 7, 2021 (UTC)
*Move everything from [[:Category:Fruit from the real world]] to [[:Category:Fruits from the real world]] (fruit is grammatically wrong)
:: (Heads'up, I've [[User_talk:Manarchy|informed]] Manarchy of the inappropriateness of their VPN shenanigans. I'll leave making a judgment on the request itself to you, though.) [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:35, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
*Move [[:Category:Drink stubs]] to [[:Category:Beverage stubs]] so it uses the same name as [[:Category:Beverages]], and [[:Category:Beverages from the real world]]. [[User:Anoted|Anoted]] [[User talk:Anoted|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:16, May 3, 2013 (UTC)


== Malcolm Taylor moves ==
== Overall Century layout + Century timeline template fix ==
Thanks. What I did with [[Mercury (element)]] (which was just recently called [[Mercury]] — some of the links were meant for the planet) was go through the links and switch them all myself. Your suggestion will make my job ''much'' easier. I'll let you know when I have all the links completely wrong, so you can run the bot.<br>--[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 18:04, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
:All links are now officially wrong. If that's good... Please run the bot — [[Malcolm Taylor]] → [[Malcolm Taylor (actor)]] + [[Malcolm Taylor (Planet of the Dead)]] → [[Malcolm Taylor]]. Then I suppose rename the pages. Thanks!<br>--[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 23:24, May 3, 2013 (UTC)


== Policy questions ==
Hi, I'm sort of a lurker on this wiki, though I do currently own [https://eminem.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kris_tha_6%277%22 Eminem Wiki], so I have used the Wikitext language before, though I am certain there's a few things I'd need to learn. I've attempted to understand (and fix, though I haven't made any changes permanent) through the creation and usage of the template [[Template:TimelineRevised]] and (originally) [[Template:Order of Centuries]] (which should be deleted), with no success. I noticed that (ex. [[1st century]]) the listed centuries are duplicated in the list (as the categories themselves as well as the pages for the individual centuries are listed).
Hey. Two questions here. The first is regarding [[prequel]]s — how do they fit in to series pages? I've noticed that [[series 7 (Doctor Who)|series 7]] has ''[[Prequel (The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe)]]'', the two ''Snowmen'' prequels and ''[[The Bells of Saint John: A Prequel (webcast)|The Bells of Saint John: A Prequel]]''. But why not ''[[Prequel (Asylum of the Daleks)]]'' or ''[[The Making of the Gunslinger (webcast)|The Making of the Gunslinger]]''? Why aren't there any prequels on the [[series 6 (Doctor Who)|series 6]] page? Or, for that matter, why aren't there [[Tardisode]]s on the [[series 2 (Doctor Who)|series 2]] page? Should they all be included, or should we get rid of them all from series pages?
<br><small>- [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kris_tha_6%277%22 Kris tha 6'7"] [[User talk:Kris tha 6&#39;7&#34;|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:48, 24 July 2021 (UTC)</small>


My second question is regarding [[:category:navigation templates|navigation templates]]. What is their purpose, and how are they different from simply adding a category? Would, for example, creating {{tlx|pubs}} for a list of all [[pub]]s and bars be justified, even though there's currently [[:category:bars and pubs|a category for that]]? To take up an example from your discussion above with [[user:Anoted|Anoted]], would {{tlx|cakes}} be justified, or should it just be left to a [[:category:cakes]]? I noticed that [[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] objected to {{tlx|hospitals}} at [[template talk:hospitals|its talk page]] — what's the wiki's stance of this? Or at least yours? --[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 23:01, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
== Re: Some of your recent changes and proposals ==
:Thanks, Czech. That was actually very helpful. I will speak to [[user:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]] about my series question. Anyway, are you saying it would be helpful to have a {{tlx|pubs}} template? Your rationale for {{tlx|hospitals}} was that "the categories for hospitals have become so fragmented that there is no longer any one category which encompasses all these hospitals." The same applies to drinking establishments, as they're a category for pubs, then a subcat for terrestrial pubs, then British, then London and Cardiff. (I realise now that I might have to get rid of [[:category:British pubs]] due to possible future recursion problems... oops.) If I split it up by terrestrial and non-terrestrial, would this be a useful template? I think your split of "specialised" and "non-specialised" for {{tlx|hospitals}} is very useful, and not something we have in [[:category:hospitals|its category]]. Maybe I'll try to think of a better way to separate pubs — maybe something like pubs visited by the Doctor? I'm still not really sure about the merits of that specific template — if it's divided by terrestrial and non-terrestrial, then it's almost the same as the category tree. I looked through all the pages, and can't think of any other ways of splitting them. So would the template still be useful? I suppose it'd be just as useful of {{tlx|hospitals}}, so I might just create it.<br>--[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 21:20, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
::Actually, that's a ''much'' better idea. I will actually create that, probably tomorrow. What would the template be called, though? And what would it say at the top? "Food retailers?"<br>--[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 23:13, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
:::I actually (surprisingly) created [[template:places to eat and drink|the template]] today. Anyway, could you maybe tweak the colors of {{tlx|navbox}}? Navigation boxes are currently '''''unreadable''''' on the LOD colour scheme.<br>--[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 01:35, May 10, 2013 (UTC)


== Game of Rassilon ==
Hi, thanks for your detailed breakdown. There are a few things that I would like to rebut, protest and clarify. The stuff in [[MediaWiki:Fandomdesktop.css|Fandomdesktop.css]] was only ever intended to be temporary. It was just a collection of fixes to apply over the top of existing CSS. I had plans to write some better, more permanent CSS but this was impractical due to the fact that I can't edit these CSS pages and so had to use my off-wiki contact with [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] and [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] to get the CSS implemented. Therefore, I deemed the method I used to be most ideal as it's better to have something that works, even if it's not perfect, then nothing at all.


Hi! I haven't forgotten that you asked if I had any ideas for new badge tracks. After a bit of thinking and searching, I came up with three possibilities. I haven't done anything with images or names for them yet, however.  
The background was not added by me but rather [[User:SOTO|SOTO]]. I believe the reason it was done through CSS was because it was more complex then a single image but I'm not entirely sure.  


I was thinking that [[:Category:Bernice Summerfield stories]] (or one of its subcategories) might be good. It's a huge category that doesn't get worked on much.
The issue with screenreaders is to do with collapsibles and I'm sorry to admit that I rolled out a [[Template:SourceFilter|set of templates]] into the theory namespace a few days ago. I'm not sure how you may want to proceed here.  


For a couple of in-universe categories I was thinking [[:Category:Planets]] or [[:Category:Species]], as many of these seem to be stubs. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:51, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
My understanding of SMW was that, if a wiki has it enabled, it is fine for that wiki to use it. Certainly, I've spoken a fair bit with users on the Fandom Discord server about it and I was never told not to use it. While I do prefer Cargo, SMW is very useful and I feel it should be used to it's fullest potential. Moreover, it's already used heavily in templates such as {{tlx|wales crew}} and {{tlx|Speedy rename}} so surely a few more wouldn't hurt. Also, the template being developed in that sandbox was not to automate prefixes but rather to add more detail to citations. This would be a massive burden to have to type manually.


== Title Sort Name Sort ==
Tooltips was a route I was considering a long time ago but I haven't been for a while now.


I don't do much editing on name pages so it's not a really big deal. My confusion came from the idea that "The John Smith" would, under title sort be rendered as Smith, John The, and not John Smith, The. Did I misunderstand the original example? [[User:Anoted|Anoted]] [[User talk:Anoted|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:20, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
I hope that you are now feeling better on the medical front. [[User:Bongolium500|Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500)]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:41, 1 November 2021 (UTC)


== Classic and Revives Series articles ==
: Something else that I've just remembered about my use of [[MediaWiki:Fandomdesktop.css|Fandomdesktop.css]] is that I wrote a lot of it when Oasis was still the primary skin and I didn't want anything I was writing for FandomDesktop to have side effects on Oasis. [[User:Bongolium500|Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500)]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:50, 1 November 2021 (UTC)


Hey, Czechout.
== Anonnotice error ==
Ziv (the other admin of the israeli wiki, I believe you're remember) and I recently wrote two new articles in our wiki - one about the classic series, and one about the revived. It kinda bothers us that we have no proper source of information about these two stages of the show, like the rest of the articles we translate. We both have amazing knowledge about these things (I specialize in the classic series, Ziv specializes in the revived one), but yet, we - or, at least, I - always have this feeling that I miss things and details about all sort of knowledge of the series.
So, because you, the english wiki, have like twenty times of our editors (we have two, you have... what, like, forty?), we thought it would be great if you could write two article of that sort here, and we will just fill up the missing in our articles.


If necessary, I'm ready to help the writing of these articles. Ziv can't, because he's working on a CON-adding-project and companion-articles-expansion to our wiki.
Hello, I'm glad you're back and I hope you're feeling better now. I know you're still fixing up the tech and visual stuff, but I just wanted to let you know that [[MediaWiki:Anonnotice]] was oddly displaying a portion of an infobox which I determined to be from [[Popidius Celsinus]]. I hadn't even been on that page. It only happens sometimes but it's very strange. [[User:Chubby Potato|Chubby Potato]] [[User talk:Chubby Potato|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:02, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Any who, here's the two articles we wrote - [http://he.doctorwho.wikia.com/wiki/הסדרה_המקורית|- the classic series] and [http://he.doctorwho.wikia.com/wiki/הסדרה_המחודשת|- the revived series], both in hebrew, of course. (Also, both of them aren't finished yet. I made a point to finish it until the series finale next week)


Hope you'll listen to my request :)
== Temporary forums ==
[[User:Puchplimmirdeyslithin|Puchplimmirdeyslithin]] [[User talk:Puchplimmirdeyslithin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:15, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
Hey, hope you've been alright with the (gestures around toward the abstract) ''[[COVID-19|everything]]'' lately. This is actually a message from multiple admin (myself, [[user:OncomingStorm12th]] and [[user:Scrooge MacDuck]]), though it is me writing this. (Don't worry too much about it.)
== Wales template ==
Just to ask - when will the Wales crew template be ready to put on the Series 7B episodes? --[[User:TARDIS2468|TARDIS2468]] [[User talk:TARDIS2468|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:32, May 10, 2013 (UTC)


== Spoiler Screen ==
So while you're been busy working on the new forums for the UCP, with the return to the actual Forum namespace no doubt around the corner, a number of users have suggested we set up [[Tardis talk:Temporary forums|temporary forums]], so we can still get the ''essential'' discussions out of the way, in the meantime. We think this is a good idea. We've actually been developing a discussion at [[Tardis talk:Temporary forums]], where others have chimed in (including [[user:Tangerineduel]], who ''also'' thinks it's a good idea).


Hi there,
{{first pic|Mouri.jpg|Creatures who [[Tardis:Who writes policy|hold Time in this universe together]] broken. Time is beginning to run wild. Could really harm the [[Doctor Who Wiki|Tardis]]. So I made a short-term repair.}}
Basically, six slots would be open for new discussions (we actually have a list of priorities going). In the spirit of ''[[Doctor Who: Flux]]'', rather like the [[Mouri]] in the [[Temple of Atropos]], all forum discussion passes through these spaces (beyond the scope of talk pages). When one closes, its spot will be opened for another to take its place.


I am the lead administrator of the [[w:c:marvel|Marvel Database]], and we'd like to implement your Spoiler Screen on our wiki.  I wanted to have your permission before I tried to implement it.
<code><nowiki>[[Tardis:Temporary forums]]</nowiki></code> would be the Hub, with


May I have your permission?  Of course I would reference back to your original template/implementation so that you receive credit.
:1. Links to these six spaces;
:2: A list of future discussions ("Next Up", agreed to on the talk page);
:3. An archive section (with table format, showing resolves/unresolved, and a quick summary of the closing remarks).
All in one place. This will help with moving things over to the Actual Forums. And there will be a strict time limit on these discussions: three weeks until [[Closing Time (TV story)|closing time]]. When this time is up, if a discussion has not reached a conclusion, it'll be closed as unresolved (marked yellow in the table), and taken to the bottom of the list, to be revived later.


Thanks!
This is all to make sure we get the maximum gain (actual resolution) out of a small number of discussions at any one time (to ease the load, creating a smoother transition, with only a small number of pages to move over into the New Forums, later on)<ref>It will also make sure these will be '''non-trivial discussions''' for us to pass over. To be added to the list, a new proposal needs to meet two criteria: It must... '''1''': be actionable (within the three week time limit, it should be ''possible'' to hash out), '''2''': affect a large number of pages.</ref>.


&mdash; [[User:Peteparker|Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218)]] <small>([[User talk:Peteparker|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Peteparker|contribs]] &bull; [[Special:Emailuser/Peteparker|email]])</small> 14:13, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
The thing is, we just wanted to make sure you weren't ''just'' about to hit that [[magno-grab remote|big friendly button]] before proceeding. No point in all this, after all, if there won't be time enough for round one before the next stage of forum evolution's upon us again. We were thinking about opening the temporary forums on the Sunday after next, around ''Doctor Who'' time<ref>Which is to say, around the time we'd start the page for a [[Series 13 (Doctor Who 2005)|new episode]] of ''[[Doctor Who]]''. Bottom of the hour, as you once explained to me.</ref> That'd be Sunday Jan 23rd, 19:30 UTC. Unless you think you'll have the Newest Forums up and running by then?
:[[w:c:dev:SpoilerAlert|SpoilerAlert]] is available for use by any wiki at [[w:c:dev|Wikia Developers Wiki]]. {{User:Eladkse/SigReal|18:58, 12 May 2013}}


== The Howling ==
Happy New Year, by the way!{{User:SOTO/sig}} 21:19, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
Since [[Howling:The Howling|The Howling]] is closed until next week, would it not be prudent also remove the create box from the page? {{User:Eladkse/SigReal|18:58, 12 May 2013}}


== Please ban ==
<references />
::Perfectly alright! I'm in no rush personally, but the community's been calling for things to move forward again. (Obviously, no extra steps would be better.) Glad to hear you're doing well. It's been a while.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 03:34, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
:::Late reply, but all good! Glad to see it's being worked on. We'll hold off for now if that's the case, don't worry.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 22:27, 4 February 2022 (UTC)


Please ban [[User:RIVER DIES IN THE FINALE|this editor]] for multiple violations of [[T:SPOIL]] (regarding the finale) both in the template namespace and in their username itself. Thank you.<br>--[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 22:37, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
== Off-topic megathread for discussions ==
:Oh, and somehow figure out a way to get rid of what they did at [[Thread:130435]]. In fact, I'll leave reverting all their edits to you, since it becomes slightly difficult with the black screen they employed.<br>--[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 22:42, May 12, 2013 (UTC)


== Nightmare in Silver ==
So I’ve seen a few wikis with off-topic megathreads (Jurassic Park wiki being one example, with the “Chaos Zone”), which are basically discussions threads where users can post whatever they want that is not related to the subject of the wiki (in this case, posts unrelated to Doctor Who) in the replies to that thread. We could put it in the FANDOM posts category, so it’s easier to find, and we can tell users about it whenever a discussion is or goes off-topic. Maybe we could call it “The Void” too, as it is technically outside of “the universe of the wiki”, as the void was outside the universe of Doctor Who. What do you think about this idea? [[User:GaganTopia|GaganTopia]] [[User talk:GaganTopia|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:41, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Don't know if you're notice, but GNAA took over "Nightmare in Silver" page. You should post a thread and highlight it to the users and editors since it's full with spoilers the the finale.
[[User:ZivKarni3|ZivKarni3]] [[User talk:ZivKarni3|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:57, May 12, 2013 (UTC)


==Big problem at [[thread:130435]]==
: : Name a list of wikis I have been banned on and when I was banned on them. And my actions on other wikis should not impact how I am on this one, as I've done nothing wrong here, it's not fair, and I do make edits when I see pages to be edited. [[User:GaganTopia|GaganTopia]] [[User talk:GaganTopia#top|☎]] 19:47, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
I was just reading through the latest additions to the threads in the forums here, and I just want to say there is a major problem at "Merging the Cybermen". Namely, it seems the page has been hacked to display all black except for some text at the top which contains spoilers (I read the first line by accident and then asked my friend beside me to read the rest and tell me if it was all spoiler, to which she replied yes). The person username, as it displays in latest thread activity, is also a spoiler. I have screenshots if you want them. It only apears like that in oasis. In mobile it looks normal, although the spoiler is in the last post of the thread there. [[User:Imamadmad|Imamadmad]] ([[User talk:Imamadmad|Contact me]]) 23:25, May 12, 2013 (UTC)


== page not showing up ==
== Talk page number... things ==
[[Alfie Owens]] is not displaying in my browser. It was, and then I edited it and it still was fine. I edited it once more, capitalising an "a" that I had previously uncapitalised. Still there. When I went back to the page a couple minutes later it didn't show up. No edits have been made in the meantime. [[User:Anoted|Anoted]] [[User talk:Anoted|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:40, May 12, 2013 (UTC)


== Notification ==
The [[number]] displayed on the talk page "''[[thingy]]''" on pages seems to be off currently - possible because of a recent [[Fandom]] update, so I [[thought]] [[User:CzechOut|you]] were the best [[person]] to [[Question|ask]]. It seems to display "[[1 (number)|1]]" for a while after ''more'' messages have been added, which certainly throws me off, as I've used this number to confirm if I've received a response in the [[past]]. Do you have any clue what could have caused this? ([[2 (number)|2]] screenshots are displayed below for illustrative [[Purpose|purposes]])
<gallery>
File:Talk page error 1.jpg
File:Talk page error 2.jpg
</gallery>
[[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:02, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
=== Another issue ===
Navigation templates, or "navboxes", also have an issue - they're open by default & cannot be collapsed.
<gallery>
File:Uncollapsible navbox.jpg
</gallery>
[[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:34, 23 June 2022 (UTC)


As the food category conversation on my talk page includes multiple editors, I thought it best to reply there and keep the conversation all in one place. [[User:Anoted|Anoted]] [[User talk:Anoted|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:13, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
== There is no legitimate reason to remove the image gallery from the Pilot Episode's article. ==


== non-alcoholic beverages ==
I looked up the image rules, and there is no rule stating that only articles of valid stories can have image galleries. People will want to see the changes between the pilot and the broadcast. [[User:ApertureEmployee427|ApertureEmployee427]] [[User talk:ApertureEmployee427|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC)


I know that beverage refers to both alcoholic and non-alcoholic drinks. That's why alcoholic beverages are a subcat beverages. With the non-alcoholic classification we cannot have all beverages in one category, which I consider a problem. Also, we don't know that all of those beverages are non-alcoholic. We don't have any information about alien beverages other than what we're given. And a lot of those beverages we only have scant information on. We don't know if these beverages are not alcoholic unless we're explicitly told so. Hence the category label beverages. It keeps us from applying a label that we don't know is correct and it's inclusive of all drinks so that we have a category tree that is beverages and just beverages. We can bring back the non-alcoholic categories, but I don't see the point. Especially because I'm not sure what we can put in the non-real world one. [[User:Anoted|Anoted]] [[User talk:Anoted|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:13, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
== Personal information ==


For example, do we know that [[Rakeshla]] is non-alcoholic or is that just an assumption? [[User:Anoted|Anoted]] [[User talk:Anoted|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:16, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
Hey, how have you been? [[User:Najawin]] recently alerted me over personal/potentially doxxing information being added to [[Claudia Boleyn|one of our pages]] recently by an anonymous user. Since then, I've protected the page so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it (which thankfully stopped the info being added again), but Najawin further contacted me pointing out that we should probably delete said revisions from the page (which I don't believe is something ''I'' am able to do.


=="Badge Weirdness"==
Would you mind helping out on this? [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:41, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Hey CzechOut, I'm just relaying a message that was sent to me earlier, it's more your area of expertise than mine:


"there seems to be a bizarre glitch in your Badges: A Troughton and Pertwee appearing willy-nilly.
:Just to note, for the technical bit of this getting done, the first edit to add potentially doxxing information was on 26 May 2022‎, and more information was added over time. Nobody noticed it aside from an IP user until this past September when I was checking some old conversations I had and links in them. I promptly removed the info, but someone then added it back. Clearing out the original May edit and all since then is probably the way to go. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Also, I noticed a "Days of the Year" Badge on another user, but I did not receive one when I edited. Has it since been removed?


[[User:TheDanishWhovian|TheDanishWhovian]] [[User talk:TheDanishWhovian|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:11, May 13, 2013 (UTC)"
== Forums discussion ==


Thanks. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 22:51, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
Hey, I know you've been busy, but I wanted to let you know that in light of the two year anniversary of the forums being down a good deal of the active editors have been having a discussion over at [[Forum talk:Index]]. We'd love for you to read it over and join the conversation when you have the time. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


== Craig Ferguson video ==
== Template:Wales crew updates ==
I don't normally do this, but I must commend you for the video you put on the front page. It's bloody hilarious!


(PS. Didn't you say that you can't play from the page?)
Hi! Terribly sorry to bother you, but for about a year now I've been, I think, the main person filling in the "Wales crew" template for new episodes (starting with ''[[The Halloween Apocalypse (TV story)|The Halloween Apocalypse]]'', although the one for ''[[Revolution of the Daleks (TV story)|Revolution of the Daleks]]'' is also mostly my work), and I've been logging the new variables they need added over at [[Template talk:Wales crew]].


--[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 01:42, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
I gather that [[User:SOTO]] has been basically in charge of the template for some time now, but after a very courteous initial reply I haven't received any more communication from them and the template appears unchanged – understandable as they're very busy! I also tried leaving a message on their talk page a few months ago, but no dice... which is why I'm here, as from the talk page it looks like you used to deal with that template.
:'''Nothing''' beats [[Craig Ferguson]] (he deserves a page) dancing to to the [[Doctor Who theme|''Doctor Who'' theme]]!<br>--[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 01:45, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
::<nowiki>:(</nowiki> Oh well. I can still watch it on endless repeat on YouTube itself... --[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 01:50, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
:::Yeah, same here. I've probably wasted ''hours'' watching it on a loop. I love that bit at the beginning with the... urgh, I can't put it into words! The first bit of dancing — it's just so perfect! I almost hate myself for venturing to the front page on that fateful day. It's incredibly addictive... --[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 04:33, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
::::That would be awesome. You see those 359 views? I bet you at least 200 of those are from me! ;) --[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 04:54, May 15, 2013 (UTC)


== Front page error ==
I wonder if you might be willing to put me in touch with SOTO, take a look at it yourself, or point me in the direction of someone else who could help? If it's an option, I would love to be able to edit the template myself instead of endlessly bothering busy admins. Again, I'm very sorry to contact you out of the blue about something you used to maintain ten years ago! [[User:Starkidsoph|Starkidsoph]] [[User talk:Starkidsoph|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:45, 30 October 2022 (UTC)


You linked to the wrong thread - it should be [[Thread:130517]], not [[Thread:130516]]. {{User:Digifiend/SigReal|01:55,14/5/2013}}
== User rights nomination ==
Hi CzechOut, long time no chat! I'm sure you saw my nomination of [[User:Bongolium500|Bongolium500]] for adminship, but just want to do due diligence and let you know just in case. I'll also take the chance to thank you for your attention to [[Forum talk:Index]] – very much looking forward to the fresh start, and very appreciative of your stopping by to take us over the finish line despite the busy time of year :) – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 18:54, 20 November 2022 (UTC)


== Badge Oddness ==
:Happy Thanksgiving! It's now been a little over one week since Bongo's nomination discussion began, so we'd be ready for you to weigh in. By the way, any update or new ETA for the forums? – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]])


Thank you for your reply. What I mean is that on Revan's page, there's several "Tricky Troughton" and "Priggish Pertwee" Badges. Is that supposed to happen? It looks very strange to me, since I'd imagine a new Badge appearing once the requirements of the old one had been reached.
== Bongolium 500 ==


[[User:TheDanishWhovian|TheDanishWhovian]] [[User talk:TheDanishWhovian|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:49, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
Hi Czechout
I know I am in the wrong place however for some reason I am unable to comment on the user rights page but long story short i absolutely and wholeheartedly support bongolium 500 in becoming a admin, I know I haven't really contributed anything yet but this is because I am currently trying to learn the rules and how to include the source of my information but I will hopefully be contributing at some point as not only am I a huge doctor who fan but I sometimes work on doctor who as a stunt performer!!!, Anyway I support Bongolium 500 because as a newcomer to contributing on this wikia he is invaluable for the technical stuff in the form of creating new templates I plan to use his help with templates when I hopefully start contributing. {{Unsigned|Ser0slug}}


== Abuse filter bug ==
== Happy new year ==


I logged out and then logged back in, and after that I was able to edit. Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:13, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
I Know 2023 isn't here yet, though as I'm near the last day til New Year's Eve, happy new year. [[User:Sum41Champ]]


== IP users prevented from editing? ==
You stated [[Thread:130517#6|here]] that editing has been disabled for new users and IP users. But then how did IP users manage to do [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/She_Said,_He_Said:_A_Prequel_(webcast)?diff=1429826&oldid=1429407 this edit] or [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Nightmare_in_Silver_(TV_story)?diff=1429807&oldid=1429696 this one]? I mean, they're both generally good-faith edits (though I'd quibble about inclusion of the second one), but, if it's not working, then other IP users can make bad edits and spoil the finale. So can you please check, and figure out what went wrong? Thank you. --[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 07:16, May 15, 2013 (UTC)


== Nightmare creation issues ==
== Temporary Forums Are Live! ==
Hello!


Thanks for the brief. I obviously won't be creating the page for the finale (as I'm sure it's been locked), but if I create any future TV story episodes, I'll made sure to follow that.
Just wanted to notify you that, [[User:CzechOut]]'s final deadline of "by New Year's Day" having passed, and following in-depth discussion between myself and fellow admins [[User:SOTO]], [[User:OncomingStorm12th]] and [[User:Bongolium500]], we have decided to '''activate [[Tardis:Temporary forums]]''', come what may. A [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice|sitenotice]] has been set to inform the community of this development, and I am taking it upon myself to personally update [[Tardis:Administrators|our Administrators]] on the situation, as well as [[User:Spongebob456]].


I usually ''don't'' make the ICC mistake, since I usually remember to get rid of then before I create the page. I was actually trying to figure out why there was a huge space between the templates, so thanks for clearing that up for me. As far as top/bottom of the hour, it's still mighty confusing, but it's starting to sink in. I actually understand it now. That took long enough...<br>--[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 18:07, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
As the name implies, we hope the Temporary Forums will remain — well — temporary. Any work on reactivating proper DPL Forums will still be welcome and appreciated; this system is a further fine-tuning of the setup Bongolium500 had proposed in December 2021, which it means is designed from the ground up to be '''easy to transfer into the actual DPL Forums''' if we should get those back in the near future after all.  


== DWBIT cover dates ==
But it has been ''multiple years'' since the Wiki has had a venue for changing policy and forming community consensus on important matters. Bongolium500 and SOTO put forward the first draft of the Temporary Forums a full ''year'' ago — and were convinced to retract it by a promise that the real Forums would come ‘very soon’; and here we are. I don't think anyone's at fault, least of all you; it is clear that you've had the Wiki's best interests at heart all through this. But the fact is thatthe time has come to realise that this overly-optimistic strategy of endlessly putting off an imperfect temporary solution in pursuit of a perfect one "soon"… has failed, resoundingly. It is time for a different approach. The Tardis community are ''owed'' a different approach.


You may not be the right person to ask, but you seemed to know about DWM cover dates. Does the same apply to DWBIT? I mean, you told me to add one to the previous cover date for DWM, but I'm not sure if it's the same here. At present, the cover dates every issue up to and including [[DWBIT 43]] is listed as the same as the released date of their comics, although that might be a mistake. But it's starting with [[DWBIT 50]] that it gets even ''more'' confusing (and even more so at [[DWBIT 55|55]]). Here's a chart a few example issues:
We [[four surviving elementals|four elementals]] behind the Temporary Forums would like to reassure the rest of the admin team that this necessary step '''is not intended to create more work for them unbidden'''. Four are, if it comes to that, plenty enough to keep the peace a Forum with no more than six threads running at a time; we would be thrilled to see the rest of the team embracing the Temporary Forums, but please don't feel any ''obligation'' to do so.  


{|class="wikitable"
Happy New Year, happy editing — and happy contribution to the New Forums!
|-
!<nowiki>Issue #</nowiki>
!Magazine cover date
!Comic release date
|-
|[[DWBIT 43]]
|[[1 May]] [[2008]]
|[[1 May]] [[2008]]
|-
|...
|-
|[[DWBIT 50]]
|[[31 August]] [[2008]]
|[[6 August]] [[2008]]
|-
|[[DWBIT 51]]
|[[14 September]] [[2008]]
|also [[6 August]] [[2008]]
|-
|[[DWBIT 52]]
|[[28 September]] [[2008]]
|[[3 September]] [[2008]]
|-
|[[DWBIT 53]]
|also [[28 September]] [[2008]]
|[[17 September]] [[2008]]
|-
|[[DWBIT 54]]
|[[26 October]] [[2008]]
|[[1 October]] [[2008]]
|-
|[[DWBIT 55]]
|simply "[[November]] [[2008]]
|[[15 October]] [[2008]]
|-
|[[DWBIT 56]]
|[[November]] [[2008]]
|[[29 October]] [[2008]]
|-
|[[DWBIT 57]]
|[[November]] [[2008]]
|[[12 November]] [[2008]]
|-
|[[DWBIT 58]]
|[[December]] [[2008]]
|[[26 November]] [[2008]]
|-
|[[DWBIT 59]]
|[[December]] [[2008]]
|[[10 December]] [[2008]]
|}


I have absolutely '''''no''''' idea what to do with this. It seems as though the dates were put in randomly. And the most confusing part is: there cannot possibly be such thing as a "cover date," as '''there is no date listed on the cover'''! Do you have any insight into this madness?<br />--[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 20:13, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
<span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 11:01, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
:Okay, thanks! --[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 21:11, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
::Consider it done. Going through them all now, then I'll add the releases to the day of the year articles. --[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 21:30, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
:::Oh, and then I need to fix the dates on the comic story pages too. This might take a little while... --[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 21:35, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
::::Doctor Who Toybox lists [[DWBIT 46]] and [[DWBIT 47]] as both being released on [[12 June]]. I'll consider that as correct for now, but please tell me if I'm using the wrong information, as it would be really annoying to have to go through half the issues again and fix the dates.<br>--[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 00:57, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, research wasn't giving me much... I'll do that. --[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 01:26, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
The Toybox list also switches the releases from a consistent Wednesday in 2006 to a consistent Thursday in 2007. Should I disregard this too? --[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 01:29, May 16, 2013 (UTC)


== Days of the year ==
== Re: Forums ==
I must admit, I am pleasantly surprised. Two things, though. First: I'd suggest leaving the thread open for a little longer than usual, since new users cannot currently give their inputs. Second: what exactly is this new "transmat" namespace? I'm thoroughly interested. --[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 22:53, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
:Okay, I'll make sure of it. I noticed you got the bot to do some work so that the pages can be transcluded properly. Just wondering... where exactly are you planning on transcluding the pages? --[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 18:29, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
::Which are...? --[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 18:46, May 17, 2013 (UTC)


== Weird category box bug ==
Hi. I've accepted your friend request. Having the <tt>Forum</tt> namespace back in action is certainly going to be very helpful. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:45, 11 May 2023 (UTC)


Hi. ''Really'' weird bug that seems to be happening with at least two users. Take a look at these two diffs: [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Torchwood_Tower?diff=prev&oldid=1430305 ], [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Strax%27s_Field_Report:_The_Name_of_the_Doctor_(webcast)?diff=1430618&oldid=1430598 ]. As evidenced by the automatically generated "''adding categories''," these edits were simply two users adding categories using the category box. The the weird result was: it broke up every template on the page to wikitext. Long, hard-to-read wikitext which would be '''incredibly''' confusing to new users. No new users around at the moment, but I'd like you to look into this whenever you have the time. I'm sure it's happened elsewhere in the wiki; I've only found these two so far. --[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 20:28, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
== Heads up about the thanks extension ==


== For later reference after Name airs ==
Hi. I just wanted to give you a heads up that Tardis is testing the "thanks" extension which Fandom will be rolling out to all wikis soon. This extension allows editors to thank other editors for their edits. The editor being thanked will then recieve a notification. Therefore, while you're actively performing edits, you may receieve a few more notifications than normal. If you notice any bugs, pass them onto [[User:Spongebob456]]. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


You might have already seen this, but Kasterborous posted an interesting article indicating that some fans think the BBC America Blu-ray leak never actually happened. The article (which contains no spoilers) is [http://www.kasterborous.com/2013/05/when-is-a-leak-not-a-leak-poll/ here]. User comments with it appear to confirm the leak ''did'' happen (again, no one spoiling) and according to what's there the only thing that has circulated so far is a screen capture of the title screen and images of the Blu-ray box. I pass this along for reference as presumably the article on the episode will include a section on the leak, and this might be an interesting addition to the discussion (the fact some were/are skeptical the leak was genuine). [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] [[User talk:23skidoo|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:53, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
== Why don't you use your bot anymore? ==


==
It hasn't made any edits since september 2020. [[User:Sliderhostmimic|Sliderhostmimic]] [[User talk:Sliderhostmimic|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:12, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
==


== Classic Who stories: what's missing? ==
== Request to correct a mistake  ==
It's all in the heading. I'm currently doing a long marathon of every episode of Who, which I hope to complete by the anniversary. I try and do a serial a day. But I would also like to contribute to their story pages here — but I don't know exactly what's missing. Aside from a few minor pages, I haven't really been able to help much in regards to those stories. I'm currently still in [[season 1]] (''[[The Aztecs (TV story)|The Aztecs]]'', in fact), which might be more heavily covered than others simply because it's the first. Even so, I must know how I should be contributing to Classic ''Who'' TV story pages. Thanks! --[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 03:11, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
:Okay, thank you. I shall start such a... Sorry, Hartnell's rubbing off on me. I'll start doing just that as of tomorrow. Actually, tomorrow's a busy day for me — Sunday, then. On a side note, I created [[anti-radiation glove]]! ...err, drugs... :D<br>--[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 06:53, May 18, 2013 (UTC)


==Hello==
Hi CzechOut
Hia, after a brief discussion with another user I thought I'd better check whether ir not it's okay to add this image: http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/File:Doctor_john_hurt.png
I am fairly new to contributing to this fandom but I contribute to another regularly, anyway I have accidentally linked to a category that doesn't exist, I intended to link to the category UNIT United Kingdom however I have accidentally confused myself and created UNIT UK, please can you try and rectify my mistake on my behalf as I know I can't do it without being a admin (I'm a admin on another fandom, so I have inside knowledge of being a admin)


To the [[The Doctor (The Name of the Doctor)]] page? I didn't want to add something again if it's wrong but it seemed to me a closer and clearer shot than the one already there. Thanks! --[[User:Bluebellanon|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">bloob</span>]] ([[User talk:Bluebellanon|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">talk</span>]]) 21:00, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
== 'Which Way Out?' short story ==


== Lists of appearances ==
Hello, I have been looking for a certain Doctor Who story for a long time. I mean 'Which Way Out?' from TV Comic Holiday Special 1976. It's hard to find any information about this story, but I did find that you wrote an article about it on the TARDIS Wiki, so I assume you've read it. I was wondering if you might still have access to this story? I will be very grateful for your answer.
 
Hi! I've had a request to un-protect the Lists of appearances pages. I can do it, but it would take forever and I can't get to it right away. Is there a way for the bot to do it? Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:39, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
== Spoilers ==
 
So I uploaded a few screenshots of the episode, and then I realized the spoler message might still be in effect. Am I correct or can I continue uploading the screenshots?[[User:-TARDIS-|-TARDIS-]] [[User talk:-TARDIS-|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:44, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
== TARDIS photo ==
 
Hey, I uploaded a photo of the natural from of a [[TARDIS]] from [[TV]]: ''[[The Name of the Doctor (TV story)|The Name of the Doctor]]'' to the TARDIS article and you deleted it. Can I ask why? It's a good photo and all the license thing is just fine. [[User:Puchplimmirdeyslithin|Puchplimmirdeyslithin]] [[User talk:Puchplimmirdeyslithin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:08, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
==The Name of the Doctor multi doctor story==
Sorry, but how do you construe that not only is it not a multi doctor story, it's also not a [[First Doctor|First]], [[Second Doctor|Second]], [[Third Doctor|Third]], [[Fourth Doctor|Fourth]], [[Fifth Doctor|Fifth]], [[Sixth Doctor|Sixth]], [[Seventh Doctor|Seventh]], or [[Eighth Doctor]] story? [[User:Cult_Of_Skaro|Cult Of Skaro Here.]]|[[User talk:Cult_Of_Skaro|Communicate here.]] 23:23, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Because in this case, it isn't just supposed to be old footage, we're seeing new adventures, or seeing Clara in old ones.  For instance the [[Second Doctor]] in a place with palm trees with the [[Eighth Doctor]] nearby. Or the [[First Doctor]] and [[Susan Foreman|Susan]] leaving Gallifrey. Or Clara watching the [[Seventh Doctor]] during [[Dragonfire (TV story)|Dragonfire]]. Or the [[Sixth Doctor]] on the [[Eleventh Doctor|Eleventh]]'s [[the TARDIS|TARDIS]]. [[User:Cult_Of_Skaro|Cult Of Skaro Here.]]|[[User talk:Cult_Of_Skaro|Communicate here.]] 00:21, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
== Clarence DeMarco ==
 
Could I ask what was wrong with the image? It was a jpg of less than 100KB with a greater width and height of 300x250[[User:-TARDIS-|-TARDIS-]] [[User talk:-TARDIS-|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:28, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
:The thing about Clarence is that his scenes were all in a dark tone on the footage, and that's the only one of him that meets the requirements of the eyes. Would it not work until one of higher quality was provided?[[User:-TARDIS-|-TARDIS-]] [[User talk:-TARDIS-|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:34, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
::Mind checking the messgae I left you in chat? [[User:-TARDIS-|-TARDIS-]] [[User talk:-TARDIS-|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:52, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
==First Doctor and Susan==
I don't see how it's better to have no image of the first onscreen view of the TARDIS being stolen than to have one that's not perfect. [[User:Cult_Of_Skaro|Cult Of Skaro Here.]]|[[User talk:Cult_Of_Skaro|Communicate here.]] 00:27, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
== The Name of the Doctor: John Hurt's character ==
 
In regards to your recent edit to the page relating to John Hurt's character:
 
Is this character not just as much The Doctor as the Valeyard or the Dream Lord? Just because this character either does not use, or is not worthy of the name "Doctor" doesn't mean he should not be in the same group. The 11th Doctor very obviously states that "Doctor Hurt" is the same person. A name change doesn't mean he doesn't belong in the same group. At this point, he fits perfectly into the same group as the Valeyard or the Dream lord, both of which are still listed under Incarnations of the Doctor.
 
I think you're taking his quote about him not being the Doctor way too literally. Hurt is still quite obviously credited as the Doctor. You can't really argue with that.
 
[[User:Wasoha|Wasoha]] [[User talk:Wasoha|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:42, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

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Whatever happened to DiSoRiEnTeD1?[[edit source]]

Hello!

I know you have bigger fish to fry at present, and I am also sorry to begin your new talk page on such a glum note, but — User:Najawin has just alerted me, on a talk page, to your recent blocking of User:DiSoRiEnTeD1 for sockpuppetry.

DiSoRiEnTeD1 and I agreed on few things, and a mere glance at his talk page will show that he was sometimes unruly or even disruptive. Nevertheless, I never had cause to ascribe any malice to him until today; he merely came across as rash and inexperienced. DiSoRiEnTeD1 had, a little while ago, come to believe there was some sort of admin conspiracy against hims, and User:OncomingStorm12th, User:SOTO and myself had agreed that it was best to give him strong warnings, but not block him, so as to prove him wrong on this point and show him we were not some cabal itching for an excuse to ban him.

He had scarcely shown his face (well, his default user avatar) since then, however. And if he has now left us so definitively… well, I think I and several other users (from OS12th to his frequent talk-page sparring partner User:Najawin) may be owed some closure on the subject of DiSoRiEnTeD1. Najawin, for example, had scruples on the talk page I mentioned earlier, because, for all that he often went overboard in defense of it, DiSoRiEnTeD1 was the main and most steadfast supports of positions opposite to Najawin's (or to mine) in many discussions. Which puts us all in the somewhat awkward position of "winning" by default, without the opposition getting to have a say at the conclusion.

So, after all that, and because your blocking-summary was rather vague (and you did not, or at least have not yet, posted a more fully written-out rationale on his talk page)… my question is just — what happened? What precisely did he do? When? Where?

To be clear, I am not asking for any kind of reduction to his ban, or questioning your decision; if he did indeed break T:SOCK, there is nothing more to be said on the matter in terms of his actual punishment. My questions are just that — curiosity. And perhaps a hint of sadness that it came to this, after all the tiresome drama and the accusations and the reassurances. DiSoRiEnTeD1, at least until this sockpuppetry business, was never a troll, and is owed, perhaps, a little respect as he goes.


…But as I led with, all these rather nebulous feelings of mine are nothing urgent, and I know you have other things on your plate. Get to this when it's convenient for you, and don't hurry yourself on my account! The UCP, home page and so on are clearly more pressing uses of your limited time. Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 23:28, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls[[edit source]]

Hello. I know you've been busy but this looks possibly important so I wanted to let you know. After seeing Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls, I created the page with an explanation as to what it was, as there was some confusion. When the edit completed a big message appeared about "change propagation" and the "job queue". I don't know enough about the code of MediaWiki to know what this really means, or if it will affect anything, but seeing as it appears important and you control the technical aspects of the wiki, I thought you should know. I hope it didn't mess up anything... Chubby Potato ☎ 09:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Something odd[[edit source]]

I have been noticing a recent surge of either multiple IP users or one user with a fluctuating IP creating some truly bizarre spam pages consisting of pure nonsense and usually being horribly garbled copies of existing valid maintenance pages. Also exhibiting some similar behaviour and overlap of interests to some earlier vandals coming over here from some truly strange wiki apparently about old people of all things to insert ageist remarks into pages about Peter Capaldi and sexist one into pages about Jodie Whittaker. Yeah, I don't know either. NightmareofEden ☎ 12:52, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Re: Master discussion[[edit source]]

Good to know. I did just make another post on the matter just before I received your message, so feel free to delete that. I would like to ask you politely to unlock the initial discussion though, as you did ask for ideas. Regards,

21:20, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Re: Discussions use[[edit source]]

Right right, I see!

Well, honestly — I agree with you, on the usefulness of not holding policy-making threads in Discussions! It's just that your own quite detailed post seemed to me like a Forum post, and so I thought you had changed your mind about this. I have no particular wish that we do this now, so long as it is agreed that we do it later; I genuinely thought you were the one who wanted it handled in Discussions, there.

But thanks for the explanation, all the same! Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 22:02, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Re: DWM[[edit source]]

Just saw your message at User talk:LegoK9: …what's going on, here? Since when do copyright-holders ring us up and ask us not to include an image on the Wiki? What about fair use and all that? So long as we are reproducing the images for a documentary purpose, there isn't supposed to be much they can say — is there?

To be clear I assume you have a good reason, but I'm wondering about what kind of a weird precedent this is setting, and how it should be applied in future. Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 19:38, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Well, yes — but here I can't see how we could possibly be talking about questions of privacy. These are not candid images of private individuals, found in a derelict corner of the web and unfairly signal-booted. These are images that are even now widely reproduced in Doctor Who Magazine. DWM is widely sold among Who fans — and more widely read, perhaps, than our own Wiki.
Furthermore they are not images of a real person, but publicity shots of the Doctor. If DWM asked us not to reproduce a particular publicity shot of Peter Capaldi as the Twelfth Doctor, would we be forced to delete it to "protect Capaldi's privacy"? Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 23:06, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Hm. I suppose I see what you mean — and I certainly see the sense in maintaining good relations with DWM. I do have to question the wisdom of such a hard rule as "wishes of the copyright holder always trump fair use": what if Big Finish came out and asked us not to host any images of their covers at all, or something of the kind? I could see a publisher of DWU fiction making that kind of pronouncement, albeit not necessarily the Beeb themselves. I can't imagine we could comply with that kind of blanket ban, and still remain a halfway useful Wiki. If they threaten legal action that is another thing, but a mere wish should not paralyse a whole fandom so.
I am speaking in general terms, though. The point is well-taken that in this case we have other publicity shots of that Doctor, from that year, in that outfit. It is not at all essential that we retain this particular one on the Wiki, so we might as well keep DWM happy.
(For the record I have seen a comparable case on another Wiki on which I am an admin; but that case involved a picture of a real person, not a 50-year-old publicity shot of a character; and furthermore it was not a picture readily available to the whole of the fandom in a magazine.) Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 23:51, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Invite[[edit source]]

Incidentally, this is unrelated to the above matter, but I am still waiting on you for that Slack invite, unless you already sent it and my spam folder ate it up. (If you've misplaced my email address, it's still one of my most recent messages to you on Discord.) Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 23:57, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Millennia's blue hair[[edit source]]

I already made a forum post about this, but maybe this is better. Where did the information on Millennia's blue hair come from? It's been bugging many of us in the Deca fandom for quite some time. I see the edit on that was made in August of 2011, while the page itself was made in 2009. Many people have read through Divided Loyalties, even going as far as to specifically search for "blue hair," and have turned up empty. Was this just some fan thing that everyone agreed upon? Thank you! ~@starryeyedgazer June 6th, 2021

Manarchy ban[[edit source]]

Hello. You might not remember me but my account is called Manarchy. I'm currently using a VPN to talk to you and i wanted to talk about my ban. It's been a couple of years since i even visited this wikia and I realised that I had grown more mature as the years went by. If it is possible, is there any way you could unban my account? I apologise for my actions as a young teenager and promise that I will be more mature on this site. If it is impossible, then i'm just glad to wrap things up with this wikia.

Manarchy 01:29 July 7, 2021 (UTC)

(Heads'up, I've informed Manarchy of the inappropriateness of their VPN shenanigans. I'll leave making a judgment on the request itself to you, though.) Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 00:35, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Overall Century layout + Century timeline template fix[[edit source]]

Hi, I'm sort of a lurker on this wiki, though I do currently own Eminem Wiki, so I have used the Wikitext language before, though I am certain there's a few things I'd need to learn. I've attempted to understand (and fix, though I haven't made any changes permanent) through the creation and usage of the template Template:TimelineRevised and (originally) Template:Order of Centuries (which should be deleted), with no success. I noticed that (ex. 1st century) the listed centuries are duplicated in the list (as the categories themselves as well as the pages for the individual centuries are listed).
- Kris tha 6'7" ☎ 23:48, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Re: Some of your recent changes and proposals[[edit source]]

Hi, thanks for your detailed breakdown. There are a few things that I would like to rebut, protest and clarify. The stuff in Fandomdesktop.css was only ever intended to be temporary. It was just a collection of fixes to apply over the top of existing CSS. I had plans to write some better, more permanent CSS but this was impractical due to the fact that I can't edit these CSS pages and so had to use my off-wiki contact with Scrooge MacDuck and OncomingStorm12th to get the CSS implemented. Therefore, I deemed the method I used to be most ideal as it's better to have something that works, even if it's not perfect, then nothing at all.

The background was not added by me but rather SOTO. I believe the reason it was done through CSS was because it was more complex then a single image but I'm not entirely sure.

The issue with screenreaders is to do with collapsibles and I'm sorry to admit that I rolled out a set of templates into the theory namespace a few days ago. I'm not sure how you may want to proceed here.

My understanding of SMW was that, if a wiki has it enabled, it is fine for that wiki to use it. Certainly, I've spoken a fair bit with users on the Fandom Discord server about it and I was never told not to use it. While I do prefer Cargo, SMW is very useful and I feel it should be used to it's fullest potential. Moreover, it's already used heavily in templates such as {{wales crew}} and {{Speedy rename}} so surely a few more wouldn't hurt. Also, the template being developed in that sandbox was not to automate prefixes but rather to add more detail to citations. This would be a massive burden to have to type manually.

Tooltips was a route I was considering a long time ago but I haven't been for a while now.

I hope that you are now feeling better on the medical front. Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500) ☎ 07:41, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Something else that I've just remembered about my use of Fandomdesktop.css is that I wrote a lot of it when Oasis was still the primary skin and I didn't want anything I was writing for FandomDesktop to have side effects on Oasis. Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500) ☎ 07:50, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Anonnotice error[[edit source]]

Hello, I'm glad you're back and I hope you're feeling better now. I know you're still fixing up the tech and visual stuff, but I just wanted to let you know that MediaWiki:Anonnotice was oddly displaying a portion of an infobox which I determined to be from Popidius Celsinus. I hadn't even been on that page. It only happens sometimes but it's very strange. Chubby Potato ☎ 05:02, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Temporary forums[[edit source]]

Hey, hope you've been alright with the (gestures around toward the abstract) everything lately. This is actually a message from multiple admin (myself, user:OncomingStorm12th and user:Scrooge MacDuck), though it is me writing this. (Don't worry too much about it.)

So while you're been busy working on the new forums for the UCP, with the return to the actual Forum namespace no doubt around the corner, a number of users have suggested we set up temporary forums, so we can still get the essential discussions out of the way, in the meantime. We think this is a good idea. We've actually been developing a discussion at Tardis talk:Temporary forums, where others have chimed in (including user:Tangerineduel, who also thinks it's a good idea).

Creatures who hold Time in this universe together broken. Time is beginning to run wild. Could really harm the Tardis. So I made a short-term repair.

Basically, six slots would be open for new discussions (we actually have a list of priorities going). In the spirit of Doctor Who: Flux, rather like the Mouri in the Temple of Atropos, all forum discussion passes through these spaces (beyond the scope of talk pages). When one closes, its spot will be opened for another to take its place.

[[Tardis:Temporary forums]] would be the Hub, with

1. Links to these six spaces;
2: A list of future discussions ("Next Up", agreed to on the talk page);
3. An archive section (with table format, showing resolves/unresolved, and a quick summary of the closing remarks).

All in one place. This will help with moving things over to the Actual Forums. And there will be a strict time limit on these discussions: three weeks until closing time. When this time is up, if a discussion has not reached a conclusion, it'll be closed as unresolved (marked yellow in the table), and taken to the bottom of the list, to be revived later.

This is all to make sure we get the maximum gain (actual resolution) out of a small number of discussions at any one time (to ease the load, creating a smoother transition, with only a small number of pages to move over into the New Forums, later on)[1].

The thing is, we just wanted to make sure you weren't just about to hit that big friendly button before proceeding. No point in all this, after all, if there won't be time enough for round one before the next stage of forum evolution's upon us again. We were thinking about opening the temporary forums on the Sunday after next, around Doctor Who time[2] That'd be Sunday Jan 23rd, 19:30 UTC. Unless you think you'll have the Newest Forums up and running by then?

Happy New Year, by the way!
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 21:19, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

  1. ↑ It will also make sure these will be non-trivial discussions for us to pass over. To be added to the list, a new proposal needs to meet two criteria: It must... 1: be actionable (within the three week time limit, it should be possible to hash out), 2: affect a large number of pages.
  2. ↑ Which is to say, around the time we'd start the page for a new episode of Doctor Who. Bottom of the hour, as you once explained to me.
Perfectly alright! I'm in no rush personally, but the community's been calling for things to move forward again. (Obviously, no extra steps would be better.) Glad to hear you're doing well. It's been a while.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 03:34, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Late reply, but all good! Glad to see it's being worked on. We'll hold off for now if that's the case, don't worry.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 22:27, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Off-topic megathread for discussions[[edit source]]

So I’ve seen a few wikis with off-topic megathreads (Jurassic Park wiki being one example, with the “Chaos Zone”), which are basically discussions threads where users can post whatever they want that is not related to the subject of the wiki (in this case, posts unrelated to Doctor Who) in the replies to that thread. We could put it in the FANDOM posts category, so it’s easier to find, and we can tell users about it whenever a discussion is or goes off-topic. Maybe we could call it “The Void” too, as it is technically outside of “the universe of the wiki”, as the void was outside the universe of Doctor Who. What do you think about this idea? GaganTopia ☎ 20:41, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

: Name a list of wikis I have been banned on and when I was banned on them. And my actions on other wikis should not impact how I am on this one, as I've done nothing wrong here, it's not fair, and I do make edits when I see pages to be edited. GaganTopia ☎ 19:47, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Talk page number... things[[edit source]]

The number displayed on the talk page "thingy" on pages seems to be off currently - possible because of a recent Fandom update, so I thought you were the best person to ask. It seems to display "1" for a while after more messages have been added, which certainly throws me off, as I've used this number to confirm if I've received a response in the past. Do you have any clue what could have caused this? (2 screenshots are displayed below for illustrative purposes)

  • Talk page error 1.jpg
  • Talk page error 2.jpg

Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 20:02, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Another issue[[edit source]]

Navigation templates, or "navboxes", also have an issue - they're open by default & cannot be collapsed.

  • Uncollapsible navbox.jpg

Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 20:34, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

There is no legitimate reason to remove the image gallery from the Pilot Episode's article.[[edit source]]

I looked up the image rules, and there is no rule stating that only articles of valid stories can have image galleries. People will want to see the changes between the pilot and the broadcast. ApertureEmployee427 ☎ 23:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Personal information[[edit source]]

Hey, how have you been? User:Najawin recently alerted me over personal/potentially doxxing information being added to one of our pages recently by an anonymous user. Since then, I've protected the page so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it (which thankfully stopped the info being added again), but Najawin further contacted me pointing out that we should probably delete said revisions from the page (which I don't believe is something I am able to do.

Would you mind helping out on this? OncomingStorm12th ☎ 18:41, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Just to note, for the technical bit of this getting done, the first edit to add potentially doxxing information was on 26 May 2022‎, and more information was added over time. Nobody noticed it aside from an IP user until this past September when I was checking some old conversations I had and links in them. I promptly removed the info, but someone then added it back. Clearing out the original May edit and all since then is probably the way to go. Najawin ☎ 06:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Forums discussion[[edit source]]

Hey, I know you've been busy, but I wanted to let you know that in light of the two year anniversary of the forums being down a good deal of the active editors have been having a discussion over at Forum talk:Index. We'd love for you to read it over and join the conversation when you have the time. Najawin ☎ 20:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Template:Wales crew updates[[edit source]]

Hi! Terribly sorry to bother you, but for about a year now I've been, I think, the main person filling in the "Wales crew" template for new episodes (starting with The Halloween Apocalypse, although the one for Revolution of the Daleks is also mostly my work), and I've been logging the new variables they need added over at Template talk:Wales crew.

I gather that User:SOTO has been basically in charge of the template for some time now, but after a very courteous initial reply I haven't received any more communication from them and the template appears unchanged – understandable as they're very busy! I also tried leaving a message on their talk page a few months ago, but no dice... which is why I'm here, as from the talk page it looks like you used to deal with that template.

I wonder if you might be willing to put me in touch with SOTO, take a look at it yourself, or point me in the direction of someone else who could help? If it's an option, I would love to be able to edit the template myself instead of endlessly bothering busy admins. Again, I'm very sorry to contact you out of the blue about something you used to maintain ten years ago! Starkidsoph ☎ 23:45, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

User rights nomination[[edit source]]

Hi CzechOut, long time no chat! I'm sure you saw my nomination of Bongolium500 for adminship, but just want to do due diligence and let you know just in case. I'll also take the chance to thank you for your attention to Forum talk:Index – very much looking forward to the fresh start, and very appreciative of your stopping by to take us over the finish line despite the busy time of year :) – n8 (☎) 18:54, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving! It's now been a little over one week since Bongo's nomination discussion began, so we'd be ready for you to weigh in. By the way, any update or new ETA for the forums? – n8 (☎)

Bongolium 500[[edit source]]

Hi Czechout I know I am in the wrong place however for some reason I am unable to comment on the user rights page but long story short i absolutely and wholeheartedly support bongolium 500 in becoming a admin, I know I haven't really contributed anything yet but this is because I am currently trying to learn the rules and how to include the source of my information but I will hopefully be contributing at some point as not only am I a huge doctor who fan but I sometimes work on doctor who as a stunt performer!!!, Anyway I support Bongolium 500 because as a newcomer to contributing on this wikia he is invaluable for the technical stuff in the form of creating new templates I plan to use his help with templates when I hopefully start contributing. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ser0slug (talk • contribs) .

Happy new year[[edit source]]

I Know 2023 isn't here yet, though as I'm near the last day til New Year's Eve, happy new year. User:Sum41Champ


Temporary Forums Are Live![[edit source]]

Hello!

Just wanted to notify you that, User:CzechOut's final deadline of "by New Year's Day" having passed, and following in-depth discussion between myself and fellow admins User:SOTO, User:OncomingStorm12th and User:Bongolium500, we have decided to activate Tardis:Temporary forums, come what may. A sitenotice has been set to inform the community of this development, and I am taking it upon myself to personally update our Administrators on the situation, as well as User:Spongebob456.

As the name implies, we hope the Temporary Forums will remain — well — temporary. Any work on reactivating proper DPL Forums will still be welcome and appreciated; this system is a further fine-tuning of the setup Bongolium500 had proposed in December 2021, which it means is designed from the ground up to be easy to transfer into the actual DPL Forums if we should get those back in the near future after all.

But it has been multiple years since the Wiki has had a venue for changing policy and forming community consensus on important matters. Bongolium500 and SOTO put forward the first draft of the Temporary Forums a full year ago — and were convinced to retract it by a promise that the real Forums would come ‘very soon’; and here we are. I don't think anyone's at fault, least of all you; it is clear that you've had the Wiki's best interests at heart all through this. But the fact is thatthe time has come to realise that this overly-optimistic strategy of endlessly putting off an imperfect temporary solution in pursuit of a perfect one "soon"… has failed, resoundingly. It is time for a different approach. The Tardis community are owed a different approach.

We four elementals behind the Temporary Forums would like to reassure the rest of the admin team that this necessary step is not intended to create more work for them unbidden. Four are, if it comes to that, plenty enough to keep the peace a Forum with no more than six threads running at a time; we would be thrilled to see the rest of the team embracing the Temporary Forums, but please don't feel any obligation to do so.

Happy New Year, happy editing — and happy contribution to the New Forums!

Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 11:01, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Re: Forums[[edit source]]

Hi. I've accepted your friend request. Having the Forum namespace back in action is certainly going to be very helpful. Bongo50 ☎ 05:45, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Heads up about the thanks extension[[edit source]]

Hi. I just wanted to give you a heads up that Tardis is testing the "thanks" extension which Fandom will be rolling out to all wikis soon. This extension allows editors to thank other editors for their edits. The editor being thanked will then recieve a notification. Therefore, while you're actively performing edits, you may receieve a few more notifications than normal. If you notice any bugs, pass them onto User:Spongebob456. Bongo50 ☎ 19:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Why don't you use your bot anymore?[[edit source]]

It hasn't made any edits since september 2020. Sliderhostmimic ☎ 18:12, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Request to correct a mistake[[edit source]]

Hi CzechOut I am fairly new to contributing to this fandom but I contribute to another regularly, anyway I have accidentally linked to a category that doesn't exist, I intended to link to the category UNIT United Kingdom however I have accidentally confused myself and created UNIT UK, please can you try and rectify my mistake on my behalf as I know I can't do it without being a admin (I'm a admin on another fandom, so I have inside knowledge of being a admin)

'Which Way Out?' short story[[edit source]]

Hello, I have been looking for a certain Doctor Who story for a long time. I mean 'Which Way Out?' from TV Comic Holiday Special 1976. It's hard to find any information about this story, but I did find that you wrote an article about it on the TARDIS Wiki, so I assume you've read it. I was wondering if you might still have access to this story? I will be very grateful for your answer.

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