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Trying to do a bit of a historical dive into forums/talk pages and flesh out what is important and for ''why''. Might be subjective, but hopefully I can figure out what might give some insight into what other people care about. GAAAAHHH people didn't archive talk pages in the early days. They just deleted them. Makes things hard to find. | Trying to do a bit of a historical dive into forums/talk pages and flesh out what is important and for ''why''. Might be subjective, but hopefully I can figure out what might give some insight into what other people care about. GAAAAHHH people didn't archive talk pages in the early days. They just deleted them. Makes things hard to find. | ||
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==Threads, 2006 and prior== | ==Threads, 2006 and prior== | ||
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[[Talk:Castrovalva (TV story)]] - Establishes our DAB policy. | [[Talk:Castrovalva (TV story)]] - Establishes our DAB policy. | ||
Not a talk page, but [https://tardis. | Not a talk page, but [https://tardis.wiki/wiki/Tardis:Blocking_Policy?oldid=6255 the old block policy] is interesting. | ||
Do we currently use [[Tardis:GNU Free Documentation License]]? | Do we currently use [[Tardis:GNU Free Documentation License]]? | ||
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[[Talk:Jack Harkness/Archive 1]] - hardline push against speculation and BTS comments on Face of Boe stuff. | [[Talk:Jack Harkness/Archive 1]] - hardline push against speculation and BTS comments on Face of Boe stuff. | ||
[https://tardis. | [https://tardis.wiki/wiki/User_talk:Tangerineduel?oldid=51683 Tangerine's talk page] includes some notable early discussion about merchandising! | ||
:the pricing in context with merchandising overall gives a reflection of the quality and the market at which the product is released. To collectors, researchers and historians this is useful. [...] If the TARDIS wiki is to be all-inclusive to information pertaining to Doctor Who, then merchandising (endorsed by the BBC through various enterprises), could indeed be a draw to the site for a range of `collectors' hungry for specifics | :the pricing in context with merchandising overall gives a reflection of the quality and the market at which the product is released. To collectors, researchers and historians this is useful. [...] If the TARDIS wiki is to be all-inclusive to information pertaining to Doctor Who, then merchandising (endorsed by the BBC through various enterprises), could indeed be a draw to the site for a range of `collectors' hungry for specifics | ||
This prompted [[Forum:Addition of 'Pricing' to the Magazine Infobox]], as discussed above. (I greatly appreciate that someone mentioned to Tangerine that Kylie Minogue was going to be returning as the Rani on his talk page and he seemed to get annoyed and delete it.) | This prompted [[Forum:Addition of 'Pricing' to the Magazine Infobox]], as discussed above. (I greatly appreciate that someone mentioned to Tangerine that Kylie Minogue was going to be returning as the Rani on his talk page and he seemed to get annoyed and delete it.) | ||
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[[Forum:How to handle an inconsistent editor?]] - Dare I call this precedent for a blocking policy for users with minor issues? I might. | [[Forum:How to handle an inconsistent editor?]] - Dare I call this precedent for a blocking policy for users with minor issues? I might. | ||
[[Forum:Infobox suggestions]] - Oh, wow, massive discussion here. We can't really see some of the test inboxes at the beginning, but clearly anyone who wants to redesign infoboxes needs to read this thread. (Though I believe at this point we've implemented most of these ideas as Czech noted we likely would at the end.) Further discussion relevant to this is located at [[User talk:CzechOut/Archive 1#Comic strip infobox!]], [[Talk: Infobox TV test]], [https://tardis. | [[Forum:Infobox suggestions]] - Oh, wow, massive discussion here. We can't really see some of the test inboxes at the beginning, but clearly anyone who wants to redesign infoboxes needs to read this thread. (Though I believe at this point we've implemented most of these ideas as Czech noted we likely would at the end.) Further discussion relevant to this is located at [[User talk:CzechOut/Archive 1#Comic strip infobox!]], [[Talk: Infobox TV test]], [https://tardis.wiki/wiki/User_talk:The_Librarian?oldid=205495#Comic_infoboxes here], [https://tardis.wiki/wiki/User_talk:Stardizzy2#template:infobox_Comic here], [[Talk: Infobox TV test]] and [[Forum:Proposal - Revert Comic Infobox]]. <!--And [https://tardis.wiki/wiki/User_talk:Tangerineduel?oldid=206921#You_are_KIDDING_me here].-- > Probably a foundational text for infobox discussions, even if outdated. And I do appreciate that Czech's proposal, and this foundational reference for infobox discussions forever more, contains a juvenile joke and choice of website. As a coda there's also [[Tardis talk:Infobox development 2009 to 2011/Archive 1]]. | ||
[[Forum:Doctor Who Novelisations - canon or not?]] - Outdated, but relevant. Of particular note because in the Before Times when it wasn't easy to get access to recordings of the classic series they used the novelizations for reference in writing novels, which we considered non-canon. | [[Forum:Doctor Who Novelisations - canon or not?]] - Outdated, but relevant. Of particular note because in the Before Times when it wasn't easy to get access to recordings of the classic series they used the novelizations for reference in writing novels, which we considered non-canon. | ||
[[Forum:Web comics]] - A discussion that would rear its head more recently in a very divisive manner. Related to Rule 2 concerns for [[T:VS]] broadly speaking, what does it mean to have a "commercial license"? You have professional creators who are using licensed concepts who were directly commissioned by the BBC, even if the license under question is a broad one under which they also licensed fan work. It's a dodgy issue. See also [https://tardis. | [[Forum:Web comics]] - A discussion that would rear its head more recently in a very divisive manner. Related to Rule 2 concerns for [[T:VS]] broadly speaking, what does it mean to have a "commercial license"? You have professional creators who are using licensed concepts who were directly commissioned by the BBC, even if the license under question is a broad one under which they also licensed fan work. It's a dodgy issue. See also [https://tardis.wiki/wiki/User_talk:Tangerineduel/Archive_-_Wiki_formatting#Writers_Comics here] and [https://tardis.wiki/wiki/User_talk:23skidoo#BBC_Writers'_Comics here] for a discussion of how this relates more broadly to fan work. | ||
[[Forum:BBC Video vs. BBC DVD]] - I mean, this isn't ''amazing'', but we don't have a ton of policies on corporate structure even though some of our real world pages actively depend on it, so any discussion I can find on it bears mentioning. | [[Forum:BBC Video vs. BBC DVD]] - I mean, this isn't ''amazing'', but we don't have a ton of policies on corporate structure even though some of our real world pages actively depend on it, so any discussion I can find on it bears mentioning. | ||
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[[Talk:Manipulator arm]] - Some citation of non narrative work here. But very much treated as a lesser source. | [[Talk:Manipulator arm]] - Some citation of non narrative work here. But very much treated as a lesser source. | ||
[[Talk:BBC (in-universe)]] - The discussion here and at the [https://web.archive.org/web/20160914220303/https://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:141287 associated thread] highlighted some of the problems [[T:DAB IU]] solved. | [[Talk:BBC (in-universe)]] - The discussion here and at the [https://web.archive.org/web/20160914220303/https://tardis.wiki/wikia.com/wiki/Thread:141287 associated thread] highlighted some of the problems [[T:DAB IU]] solved. | ||
[[Talk:Antranak (cat)]] - Maybe slightly relevant to [[T:DON'T COPY]]. Not very though. | [[Talk:Antranak (cat)]] - Maybe slightly relevant to [[T:DON'T COPY]]. Not very though. | ||
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[[Talk:Enlightenment (fanzine)]] - Discussion of fan works on the wiki to some extent. | [[Talk:Enlightenment (fanzine)]] - Discussion of fan works on the wiki to some extent. | ||
[https://tardis. | [https://tardis.wiki/wiki/User_talk:The_Librarian?oldid=168211#Doctor_Who_Power_Rollers Frubes page confirmed]. | ||
[[Talk:The Darksmith Legacy]] - Of minor note because of concerns of hosting potentially copyrighted material as well as considerations as what the wiki hosts that encourages people to buy the product / simply documents things for later vs actually discourages people. Also highlights how our understanding of The Howling as a forum has evolved. | [[Talk:The Darksmith Legacy]] - Of minor note because of concerns of hosting potentially copyrighted material as well as considerations as what the wiki hosts that encourages people to buy the product / simply documents things for later vs actually discourages people. Also highlights how our understanding of The Howling as a forum has evolved. | ||
[[User talk:23skidoo#Canon]] - Some references to [[T:NPOV]] and [[T:EVIL TWIN]]. At this point NPOV had largely solidified as much as it was going to in the pre-valid sources days, I suspect, so that's not surprising. It also gestures towards the "according to one account" terminology we use today as early as the very end of 2009, though with slightly different wording. ''However'', [https://tardis. | [[User talk:23skidoo#Canon]] - Some references to [[T:NPOV]] and [[T:EVIL TWIN]]. At this point NPOV had largely solidified as much as it was going to in the pre-valid sources days, I suspect, so that's not surprising. It also gestures towards the "according to one account" terminology we use today as early as the very end of 2009, though with slightly different wording. ''However'', [https://tardis.wiki/wiki/User_talk:Tangerineduel?oldid=278284#Canon the story] the two are discussing is one of the comic maker comics. Which were later very definitively declared invalid. The comments here make this issue more interesting. | ||
[[Talk:Planet of the Dead (TV story)/Archive 1#Rumours]] - Some discussion of when rumors are allowed on pages, if they need sources or not. No clear consensus? Very short discussion. | [[Talk:Planet of the Dead (TV story)/Archive 1#Rumours]] - Some discussion of when rumors are allowed on pages, if they need sources or not. No clear consensus? Very short discussion. | ||
[[User talk:Doug86/Archive 1#Page deletion]], [https://tardis. | [[User talk:Doug86/Archive 1#Page deletion]], [https://tardis.wiki/wiki/User_talk:Tangerineduel?oldid=237747#Page_deletion here], and [[User talk:CatherineMunro#Page deletion]] - Based on a policy I don't think FANDOM has, it's a policy wikipedia had when we were under Wikia. But discussion of how to handle requests for deleting pages from subjects of articles. Not quite the same thing, but somewhat relevant to more recent debates about categorization, I guess? Kinda? | ||
[[Talk:The mighty 200]] - I guess maybe giving a clear ruling that individual features in DWM don't get pages? Yeah, I'm stretching. Look, not every old talk page can be a winner. But we should still be able to read them! | [[Talk:The mighty 200]] - I guess maybe giving a clear ruling that individual features in DWM don't get pages? Yeah, I'm stretching. Look, not every old talk page can be a winner. But we should still be able to read them! | ||
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[[Forum:Disputed Companions]] - Companion discussions are awful, this is more of the same. | [[Forum:Disputed Companions]] - Companion discussions are awful, this is more of the same. | ||
[[Forum:Story arcs]] - Contra the archivist note, these categories no longer abound, as per [https://web.archive.org/web/20170202012221/http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:178134 this thread]. We don't have categories for story arcs anymore. We might reintroduce something similar soon in another namespace. But the main namespace probably isn't the right place for it. | [[Forum:Story arcs]] - Contra the archivist note, these categories no longer abound, as per [https://web.archive.org/web/20170202012221/http://tardis.wiki/wikia.com/wiki/Thread:178134 this thread]. We don't have categories for story arcs anymore. We might reintroduce something similar soon in another namespace. But the main namespace probably isn't the right place for it. | ||
[[Forum:What counts as an enemy?]] - Prelude to removing "enemies" categories, and I think the first time I've seen clean category management used in reasoning in a thread. | [[Forum:What counts as an enemy?]] - Prelude to removing "enemies" categories, and I think the first time I've seen clean category management used in reasoning in a thread. | ||
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[[Forum:We need a policy on videogames]] - Oof. The thread that has gaslit everyone into thinking that gameplay is narrative. The beginning in a long line of awful discussions over video game policy. | [[Forum:We need a policy on videogames]] - Oof. The thread that has gaslit everyone into thinking that gameplay is narrative. The beginning in a long line of awful discussions over video game policy. | ||
==Talk pages, 2010== | ==Talk pages, 2010== | ||
[[User talk:Sulfur]] - Nothing super important, but has a lot of details related to technical aspects of how bots are set up on this wiki. | [[User talk:Sulfur]] - Nothing super important, but has a lot of details related to technical aspects of how bots are set up on this wiki. | ||
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C'mon. | C'mon. | ||
[[Talk:TV21]] - I ''think'' this has the first reference I've seen to stage plays being invalid that I've seen. I could have missed something due to my own biases since I actually think it's uncontroversial that they stay invalid. So there might be something prior to this. Take me saying this is the first with a grain of salt. But there's a comment about it and it seems they were kinda ambiguous at the time. | [[Talk:TV21]] - I ''think'' this has the first reference I've seen to stage plays being invalid that I've seen. I could have missed something due to my own biases since I actually think it's uncontroversial that they stay invalid. So there might be something prior to this. Take me saying this is the first with a grain of salt. But there's a comment about it and it seems they were kinda ambiguous at the time. (Oh, yeah, [[Forum:Why do prefixes link as they do?]]. Duh.) | ||
[[Talk:The Simpsons]] - Discussion of merit of RW page based on IU references to the RW thing, or to the RW thing referencing DW. | [[Talk:The Simpsons]] - Discussion of merit of RW page based on IU references to the RW thing, or to the RW thing referencing DW. | ||
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[[Talk:Story arc]] - Just constant difficulties with defining this content. Repeated frustration over it. | [[Talk:Story arc]] - Just constant difficulties with defining this content. Repeated frustration over it. | ||
Preludes to R4bp in the discussions [https://tardis. | Preludes to R4bp in the discussions [https://tardis.wiki/wiki/User_talk:Skittles_the_hog?oldid=440193#RE:_Canon here], [https://tardis.wiki/wiki/Eleventh_Doctor_(The_Curse_of_Fatal_Death)?diff=prev&oldid=440163 here], [https://tardis.wiki/wiki/User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar?oldid=440177 here], and at [[Talk:The Curse of Fatal Death (TV story)#Part of the DWU]] | ||
[[User talk:Ghastly9090]] - As far as I can tell, this is the best place to go to look at the discussion surrounding the (failed) SJA wiki. | [[User talk:Ghastly9090]] - As far as I can tell, this is the best place to go to look at the discussion surrounding the (failed) SJA wiki. | ||
[https://tardis. | [https://tardis.wiki/wiki/User_talk:Tangerineduel?oldid=311073 User talk:Tangerineduel] - Old version of this page has a lot of discussion from Czech about main page revision and some coding stuff. Not policy informative per se, but useful to keep a link to somewhere. | ||
[[Talk:Cobalt bomb]] - explicit statement of [[T:NO RW]]. | [[Talk:Cobalt bomb]] - explicit statement of [[T:NO RW]]. | ||
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[[Forum:Tech note: Image use policy change]] - Unilateral image policy change. Yay. | [[Forum:Tech note: Image use policy change]] - Unilateral image policy change. Yay. | ||
[[Forum:Near-human]] - Oh my god no this is a horrible idea how was this not immediately shot down. Wild violation of [[T:NO RW]] for just pure speculation based on some vague references. See [[Talk:Near-human]] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20151001181357/http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:120763 Thr:120763] as well. Good on Czech for purging this page in 2013 with extreme prejudice. | [[Forum:Near-human]] - Oh my god no this is a horrible idea how was this not immediately shot down. Wild violation of [[T:NO RW]] for just pure speculation based on some vague references. See [[Talk:Near-human]] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20151001181357/http://tardis.wiki/wikia.com/wiki/Thread:120763 Thr:120763] as well. Good on Czech for purging this page in 2013 with extreme prejudice. | ||
[[Forum:Where are the two Human Natures set?]] - Dismissal of reference works. | [[Forum:Where are the two Human Natures set?]] - Dismissal of reference works. | ||
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[[Forum:Wirrn vs. Wirrrn]] - A pretty nuanced point about what "official" sources tell us and what the actual author's intent was for a concept's name - when the "official" sources have limited legal rights to the concept. Doesn't get a ton of love. | [[Forum:Wirrn vs. Wirrrn]] - A pretty nuanced point about what "official" sources tell us and what the actual author's intent was for a concept's name - when the "official" sources have limited legal rights to the concept. Doesn't get a ton of love. | ||
[[Forum:Release date of early DWM issues]] - Question about "cover" release dates vs actual release dates. No real movement, and it's a problem we still occasionally encounter in some areas today. | [[Forum:Release date of early DWM issues]] - Question about "cover" release dates vs actual release dates. No real movement, and it's a problem we still occasionally encounter in some areas today. (cf [[Down the Middle (anthology)|Down the Middle]]) | ||
[[Forum:Sycorax's planet of origin?]] - Yet more dismissal of ref works. | [[Forum:Sycorax's planet of origin?]] - Yet more dismissal of ref works. | ||
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[[Forum:Background]] - Some technical work related to background images, as well as detailing where policy stood at the time. | [[Forum:Background]] - Some technical work related to background images, as well as detailing where policy stood at the time. | ||
[[Forum:Character information on novels, etc]] - Oh my God, this was near incomprehensible without looking at the pages referenced in the time frame. It's premised on a way of writing articles that just doesn't exist anymore. ([https://tardis. | [[Forum:Character information on novels, etc]] - Oh my God, this was near incomprehensible without looking at the pages referenced in the time frame. It's premised on a way of writing articles that just doesn't exist anymore. ([https://tardis.wiki/wiki/Happy_Endings_(novel)?oldid=303507 EG]) Absolutely disgusting, great change. See also [[Forum:Should novels & audio stories have a plot description?]], which established that novels and audios ''should'' have plot sections - when up until 2011 they didn't. That and lack of editors willing to write them explains why so many are empty. | ||
[[Forum:Charity anthology short stories]] RIP charity anthologies, all of three people. | [[Forum:Charity anthology short stories]] RIP charity anthologies, all of three people. | ||
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[[Forum:Users should be allowed any youtube video on their user page]] - Discussion of loosening [[T:VID]] in some weird ways imo. | [[Forum:Users should be allowed any youtube video on their user page]] - Discussion of loosening [[T:VID]] in some weird ways imo. | ||
[[Forum:Novelisations info - Not inuniverse]] - Discussion of "canonicity of novelizations". No longer applicable. | |||
[[Forum:Alternate timelines vs. parallel worlds]] - A problem that still plagues us to this day, see [[Talk:Dust Devil (audio story)]]. | |||
[[Forum:UNIT aren't really companions]], [[Forum:Add Ganger Amy as companion in series 6]], [[Forum:Companions - who counts?]] - Companion discussions ''never'' get resolution. Horrible topic. | |||
[[Forum:Judeo-Christian God: how to title the article]] - Somewhat topical as of time of writing, see discussion at [[Talk:God (mythology)]]. | |||
[[Forum:Clarification on how to cite of out-of-universe information]] - It's almost like in-universe reference works should have been "primary sources" the entire time and never invalidated. :P | |||
[[Forum:Speculation - What is and what isn't?]] - A lot of meaty discussion here, and I'm now convinced that [[Howling Halls]] is the single most important page on this wiki. | |||
[[Forum:How should we deal with link rot?]] - Something to revisit. We really need to think about this, as well as also archiving all of our forum threads when finished, just to make sure we don't lose archives again. | |||
[[Forum:How to categorise Virgin New Adventure preludes]] - Helpful precedent for later issues, but not super interesting. | |||
[[Forum:Implications of US premiere for our Torchwood Miracle Day coverage]] - Hmm, some hinting towards differences in versions around the world and how that might impact coverage. No clear resolution, or if it was even a real issue at the time. | |||
[[Forum:TVM Bruce and Miranda: Gerhardt or not?]] - Overturned, but explicit statement that novelization name additions can't be used. | |||
[[Forum:BBV and canon policy]] - Much has been revised, but of clear historical importance. I note that [[User:Tangerineduel]] actually brought up [[The Adventure of the Diogenes Damsel (audio story)|The Adventure of the Diogenes Damsel]], which was later used in the 2017 discussion that reinstated FP. See also [[Forum:How do we best include Faction Paradox on the wiki?]]. Based on some fundamental misunderstandings of the issue and some outdated perspectives. But of clear historical importance. (Licensing Sutekh and the Sontarans for a ''distinctly different'' fictional universe, a la humans in Star Wars? Absurd.) | |||
[[Forum:Canon policy: Items on which policy is unclear]] - More of the history of reference guides becoming invalid. | |||
[[Forum:Is The Curse of Fatal Death canon?]] - And six months after proto R4bp is floated, it dies a death. CoFD is very much fatally dead for the next 9.5 years. | |||
[[Forum:Proposed change to spoiler policy]] - Useful historical note that went nowhere. Specifically about cast/crew not necessarily being a spoiler, at least in one proposed change. | |||
[[Forum:John and Gillian]] - Since been overturned. | |||
[[Forum:Cliffhangers in Plot breakdown]] - Deserves documenting, I get why the format is the way it is. I just don't like it, as someone who write plot summaries, I think plot writers should have creative freedom. With that said: | |||
:Thus, if you wished to change that policy, you'd have to prove a case against it. | |||
[[Forum:Exception to video policy: advertisements]] - Need to look more into the surrounding changes to FANDOM's vid stuff, but possibly useful. | |||
[[Forum:Moving the tables of content to the right]] - Interesting design notes here, nothing super important, but useful to note. | |||
[[Forum:Site fonts: your opinion needed]] - Interesting, imo, because of the comments about how to enforce MoS vs educate people on MoS. | |||
[[Forum:Doctorwhospoilers.com is not a valid resource]] - Astonishing prejudice against Arkansas, and I think this is saying that even rumors should come from trusted sites? (Especially in conjunction with [[Forum:What makes a rumour?]]) | |||
[[Forum:Brilliant Book 2011: a valid source?]] - It is now! | |||
[[Forum:Leads on story pages]] - Classified as a policy changer, not really sure it is. Most of our ledes aren't like this, and one of the things Czech says is most important is no longer present. Seems to be more page specific? idk. | |||
[[Forum:Edit warring prevention policy]] - Should be noted, not much here. | |||
[[Forum:Production team members who become characters in the DWU]] - Aha, here's the "TV Action" precedent. See [[Talk:Hugh Grant]], [[Talk:John Hurt (in-universe)]], and our new [[T:DAB IU]]. | |||
[[Forum:"Human" shouldn't be capitalised]] - Sure, whatever, but | |||
:Honestly, you'd think this wiki was written by Germans Who Speak English as a Second Language sometimes. | |||
is a ''banger'' line. | |||
[[Forum:Meanwhile in the TARDIS]] - Thread says TV, but currently we use HOMEVID. | |||
[[Forum:Story names should be automatically disambiguated]] - Thread that establishes postfixes for stories. | |||
[[Forum:Image appropriateness issue]] - Suffice it to say that... This thread took an unrealistically optimistic stance towards what people would try to sneak on the wiki from the DWU. This has since been slightly amended. | |||
[[Forum:We need a species tab on the homepage]] - Weird origin stuff for transmats? | |||
[[Forum:The Master - 1 article]] recapping [[Forum:The Master]] which has been overturned. | |||
[[Forum:Can we disable visual editor please?]] - Can we do this again please? | |||
[[Forum:Copying your own work from Wikipedia to TARDIS Index File wiki]] - Somewhat related to [[T:DON'T COPY]]. | |||
==Talk pages, 2011== | ==Talk pages, 2011== | ||
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[[Talk:Series 6 (Doctor Who)/Archive 3#Death is the Only Answer canon?]] - "Every canonical televised Doctor Who must be on BBC One. It can't be canon." Compared to [[A Fix with Sontarans (TV story)]]. People were not convinced. | [[Talk:Series 6 (Doctor Who)/Archive 3#Death is the Only Answer canon?]] - "Every canonical televised Doctor Who must be on BBC One. It can't be canon." Compared to [[A Fix with Sontarans (TV story)]]. People were not convinced. | ||
[[Talk:Blue Humanoid]] - See also [[Forum:Proposed Deletion of Blue, Red and White humanoids - Yes or No]]. Not even sure what to say about this except some very strong statements against speculation, perhaps on the subject of visual appearance? idk | |||
[[Talk:Alexa Havins]] - Relevant to our recent update to spoiler policy. | |||
[[User Talk:Revanvolatrelundar/Archive 1#Graceless]], [[User talk:CzechOut/Archive 3#Graceless]] - the beginning of a later discussion about the validity of [[Graceless (audio series)|Graceless]]. | |||
[[User talk:CzechOut/Archive 4#Curse of Fatal Death]], [[User Talk:Revanvolatrelundar/Archive 1#Curse of Fatal Death]], [[User talk:CzechOut/Archive 4#Forum Page]] - What led to [[Forum:Is The Curse of Fatal Death canon?]] | |||
:While the story is essentially a parody, [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Tomorrow Windows]]'' portrays the events of this story as occuring in an alternate timeline for the Eighth Doctor's immediate future. The community decided that we should canonize this story due to it being directly mentioned in a canon story. | |||
[[User Talk:Revanvolatrelundar/Archive 2#Ministry of Chance]], [[User Talk:CzechOut/Archive 6#The Minister of Chance]] - quick notes about why a spinoff was made invalid. | |||
</!--[[Talk:Vespiform]] Ayy lmao--/> | |||
[[Talk:A Textbook of Botany for Students]] - Small little discussion, and I do mean small, of how to deal with real world books that are so old that don't have ISBNs. No conclusion. | |||
[[User Talk:Skittles the hog/Archive 4#Generic job (ep title)]] - If it's obviously the case that a name / job title is going to need to be disambiguated in the future, it makes sense to do so when creating the page. | |||
[[User Talk:Skittles the hog/Archive 5#Bold Clone block]] - Evidence that blocks used to be much shorter. In addition, this, [[User Talk:CzechOut/Archive 3#Block]], [[User Talk:Skittles the hog/Archive 5#Changes to blocking policy]], and [[User Talk:CzechOut/Archive 3#Blocking policy]] might arguably constitute the first discussion of [[T:BOUND]]? | |||
[[User Talk:Skittles the hog/Archive 6#River Song]], [[User Talk:CzechOut/Archive 4#Protection]] - Some musings on when and when not to protect a heavily trafficked, plot significant page. | |||
[[Talk:Mechanoid]] - Doctor Who was a mistake. | |||
[[User Talk:Mini-mitch/Archive Talk 7#User image policy]], [[User Talk:CzechOut/Archive 5#User's Images Poilcy]] - Self explanatory imo. | |||
[[User talk:CzechOut/Archive 8#REF books.]], [[User talk:OttselSpy25/Archive 1#Doctor Who: Cybermen]] - follow up on the Cyberman thread above, discussion of how non narrative works were exiled. Ties in with [[User talk:Tangerineduel/Archive 4#in-universe material from official reference sources]], [[User talk:CzechOut/Archive 6#Dalekese]], [[User talk:Victory93#Dalekese]], [[User talk:CzechOut/Archive 6#Proposition]] and [[User talk:Victory93#In-universe material]] to a lesser extent. | |||
[[User talk:BroadcastCorp/Archive 1#Rollback]] - Discussion of why Rollback doesn't really exist on this wiki. | |||
[[User talk:BroadcastCorp/Archive 1#You are infinitely banned]] - Example of procedure followed when encountering suspected sockpuppets. | |||
[[Talk:List of companions/Archive 2]] - Interesting proposal where someone suggests a page in the main namespace with the sole content as a template we have, since the content on the page had been largely outmoded by said template. Proposal failed, but serves as an idea that is an interesting path not traveled. | |||
[[Talk:Apalapucia]] - BBC website used as source for spelling, even if not IU. | |||
[[User talk:Tangerineduel/Archive 1#The consequence of CSS manipulation]] - just an interesting note that one of our bureaucrats only applied for adminship because they wanted to mess with the CSS. Fun little tidbit! | |||
[[User talk:Tangerineduel/Archive 2#Canon policy rewrite]], [[User talk:CzechOut/Archive 4#Canon policy rewrite]] - Arguably the start of [[T:VS]]. | |||
[[User talk:Tangerineduel/Archive 2]] (Can't link to this one without getting blocked, just know that the subject is Doug86 +1) - Just a note that admins being targets of personal attacks should not be involved in punitive actions. | |||
[[User talk:Tangerineduel/Archive 2#Discontinuity should be its own forum]], [[User talk:CzechOut/Archive 4#Discontinuity]], [[User talk:Tangerineduel/Archive 2#Forum overhaul continues; infobox response]] - Start of the [[Theory:Discontinuity Index]]. | |||
[[User talk:Tangerineduel/Archive 2#Our name on Enttertainment]], [[User talk:CzechOut/Archive 4#Wikia entertainment and our wiki's name]], [[User talk:Tangerineduel/Archive 3#More about our presence on wikia.com/Entertainment]] - Nuances about wiki backend stuff. Largely resolved but should be preserved. | |||
[[User talk:Tangerineduel/Archive 3#Persistent talk pages]] - "I suppose the question I'd have is why anyone would save an orphaned talk page." - '''So we know why you deleted it! You've made my life substantially harder!''' | |||
[[User talk:Tangerineduel/Archive 3#Wiki spotlight]] - Not sure if this is defunct, but at the time if we wanted to promote our wiki this is how to do it. | |||
[[User talk:Tangerineduel/Archive 4#New user masthead: founder?]] - Discussion of who founded the wiki. See also the contributions of [[User:Jasonr]]. | |||
[[User talk:Tangerineduel/Archive 4#Vandalism policy]], [[User talk:CzechOut/Archive 5#Vandalism policy]] - reasoning for why our vandalism policy says you can't remove comments on your own talk page. (As a note, I can attest that Czech is correct that users deleting things on their talk pages was a common occurrence that would often be abused by bad actors in the discussions I read through, as well as making it very difficult to follow some discussions. This change is fantastic policy.) | |||
[[User talk:Tangerineduel/Archive 4#Rollback and inactive sysops revisted]], [[User talk:CzechOut/Archive 5#Absent admins]] - Discussion of whether admins that haven't been active on the site for long enough become a security risk. | |||
[[User talk:CzechOut/Archive 4#Your thoughts on something]], [[User talk:Tangerineduel/Archive 3#A sticky wicket]], and [[Forum:Users should be allowed any youtube video on their user page]] - some weird issues related to our video policy and COPPA. | |||
[[User talk:CzechOut/Archive 4#Wikia Spotlight]] - Response to Wiki spotlight above + How Czech got promoted to bureaucrat. | |||
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==Threads, 2012== | ==Threads, 2012== | ||
[[Forum:Searching is undergoing a massive, Wikia-driven change]] - Not sure if this workaround is still possible, but wiki search still is awful. | |||
[[Forum:Tables need headers]] - Some helpful discussion of tables for newer users. | |||
[[Forum:EVERYONE READ: Some infobox variables being upgraded to SMW links]] - Helpful discussion of SMW for users who don't toy with it. | |||
[[Forum:Color/font coding of namespaces]] - Project has been completely abandoned. But I think the archivist note here has some ideas that we might want to revist for the BTS namespaces. | |||
[[Forum:ST/DW crossover comic: technical naming restrictions]] - ''Tiny'' discussion surrounding coordination with other wikis wrt crossover products. Not even a real discussion. | |||
[[Forum:New spoiler screen]] - Outmoded, but we might want to try it again? | |||
[[Forum:Twitter feed]] - We absolutely no longer have access to this account, and we have a new one. | |||
[[Forum:All admin please read Help:Blocking]] - Discussion of the origin of the unblocking procedures, might need an update, idk. | |||
[[Forum:Are the Invisible Enemy clones characters in their own right?]] - Restatement of the continuity of consciousness approach to identity that was developed wrt, I believe, Auton Rory? | |||
[[Forum:'In character' appearances by the Doctor]] - Statement as far back as 2012 that breaking the 4th wall may be kosher for stories being valid. | |||
[[Forum:First appearance of the sun and the moon]] - Doesn't apply to a ton of issues, but a bit of discussion of what to do when topics touch on things that might be impacted by the missing episodes, if we know that the missing episodes would likely change the statements we put on this wiki. | |||
[[Forum:Audio Visuals]] - Discussion of having pages for notable fan works. | |||
[[Forum:Disambiguation: Omegas]] - Discussion of some of our disambiguation rules and when things stop needing to be dabbed. | |||
[[Forum:Distant past/Far future categories]] - Should probably reopen, these terms are super vague. | |||
[[Forum:Doctor Who prefix in titles]] - Establishes that we should remove the "Doctor Who" prefix from titles that have it, usually. | |||
[[Forum:Foreshadowing section on Doctors pages]] - /Laughs maniacally/ Vortex butterflies will meet its end. | |||
[[Forum:Leela Audio Story category]] - Some discussion of why we don't have story categories for each character/group, not sure how much we're actually doing with SMW and how much these plans stalled. | |||
[[Forum:Prefix simplification]] - Another one of those threads that has massive impacts in a variety of different ways. Necessary reading. | |||
[[Forum:Reference books - what do we cover?]] - Some discussion of references books/criticism/analysis, doesn't go anywhere. | |||
[[Forum:References to BFDWU as alternate or diverging timeline]] - Outdated, but one of the old discussions about Unbound being invalid. | |||
==Talk pages, 2012== | ==Talk pages, 2012== | ||
[[Talk:P.S. (webcast)/Archive 1]] - Outdated, but relevant to discussions about deleted scenes. | |||
[[User talk:Revanvolatrelundar/Archive 3#Blocking reversal]] + some discussions at [[User talk:Cyruptsaram]] that should be easy to find - Brief comments on SMW motivation as it intersects our categories, as well as how best to handle editors making rapid, mistaken edits, and disagreements on how to handle this. | |||
[[Talk:Akhenaten]] - Actually a good question, and not one I'm sure we've resolved. How do we know that Amenhotep->Akhenaten is Amenhotep!Married!Nefertiti? | |||
[[Talk:River Song/Archive 5#Bisexuality]] - Interesting discussion of to what extent we can trust anything Moffat says, application of [[T:NOT SFW]], and some gestures towards where and how we can infer things in the show. No clear resolution for a general policy, just a specific case, but it's interesting to look back on. | |||
[[Talk:P.S. (webcast)/Archive 1#Not a valid source]] + [[Talk:Devious (home video)]] - Since been overturned, but this seems to be the justification, insofar as we can use that term, for invalid stories not having continuity sections originally. | |||
==Threads, 2013== | ==Threads, 2013== | ||
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[[User talk:Azes13]]<br> | [[User talk:Azes13]]<br> | ||
[[User talk:23skidoo]]<br> | [[User talk:23skidoo]]<br> | ||
[[User talk:Forgetful 10th doctor fan]]<br> | |||
[[User talk:MrThermomanPreacher]]<br> | [[User talk:MrThermomanPreacher]]<br> | ||
[[User talk:Josiah Rowe]] | [[User talk:Josiah Rowe]]<br> | ||
[[User talk: | [[User talk:OttselSpy25]]<br> | ||
-[[User talk:Americanwhofan]]<br> | |||
[[User talk:Americanwhofan]]<br> | |||
[[User talk:The Librarian]]<br> | [[User talk:The Librarian]]<br> | ||
[[User talk:Skittles the hog]]<br> | [[User talk:Skittles the hog]]<br> | ||
[[User talk:Mini-mitch]]<br> | [[User talk:Mini-mitch]]<br> | ||
[[User talk:Rob T Firefly]]<br> | [[User talk:Rob T Firefly]]<br> | ||
[[User talk:Revanvolatrelundar]]<br> | [[User talk:Revanvolatrelundar]]<br> | ||
[[User talk:Noneofyourbusiness]]<br> | [[User talk:Noneofyourbusiness]]<br> | ||
[[User talk:Bold Clone]]<br> | [[User talk:Bold Clone]]<br> | ||
[[User talk:Ebyabe]]<br> | [[User talk:Ebyabe]]<br> | ||
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[[User talk:Shambala108]]<br> | [[User talk:Shambala108]]<br> | ||
[[User talk:Gousha]]<br> | [[User talk:Gousha]]<br> | ||
[[User talk:Imamadmad]] | [[User talk:Imamadmad]]<br> | ||
[[User talk:Doug86]]<br> | |||
[[User talk:GusF]] | |||
Latest revision as of 21:44, 29 February 2024
Trying to do a bit of a historical dive into forums/talk pages and flesh out what is important and for why. Might be subjective, but hopefully I can figure out what might give some insight into what other people care about. GAAAAHHH people didn't archive talk pages in the early days. They just deleted them. Makes things hard to find.
Threads, 2012[[edit] | [edit source]]
Forum:Searching is undergoing a massive, Wikia-driven change - Not sure if this workaround is still possible, but wiki search still is awful.
Forum:Tables need headers - Some helpful discussion of tables for newer users.
Forum:EVERYONE READ: Some infobox variables being upgraded to SMW links - Helpful discussion of SMW for users who don't toy with it.
Forum:Color/font coding of namespaces - Project has been completely abandoned. But I think the archivist note here has some ideas that we might want to revist for the BTS namespaces.
Forum:ST/DW crossover comic: technical naming restrictions - Tiny discussion surrounding coordination with other wikis wrt crossover products. Not even a real discussion.
Forum:New spoiler screen - Outmoded, but we might want to try it again?
Forum:Twitter feed - We absolutely no longer have access to this account, and we have a new one.
Forum:All admin please read Help:Blocking - Discussion of the origin of the unblocking procedures, might need an update, idk.
Forum:Are the Invisible Enemy clones characters in their own right? - Restatement of the continuity of consciousness approach to identity that was developed wrt, I believe, Auton Rory?
Forum:'In character' appearances by the Doctor - Statement as far back as 2012 that breaking the 4th wall may be kosher for stories being valid.
Forum:First appearance of the sun and the moon - Doesn't apply to a ton of issues, but a bit of discussion of what to do when topics touch on things that might be impacted by the missing episodes, if we know that the missing episodes would likely change the statements we put on this wiki.
Forum:Audio Visuals - Discussion of having pages for notable fan works.
Forum:Disambiguation: Omegas - Discussion of some of our disambiguation rules and when things stop needing to be dabbed.
Forum:Distant past/Far future categories - Should probably reopen, these terms are super vague.
Forum:Doctor Who prefix in titles - Establishes that we should remove the "Doctor Who" prefix from titles that have it, usually.
Forum:Foreshadowing section on Doctors pages - /Laughs maniacally/ Vortex butterflies will meet its end.
Forum:Leela Audio Story category - Some discussion of why we don't have story categories for each character/group, not sure how much we're actually doing with SMW and how much these plans stalled.
Forum:Prefix simplification - Another one of those threads that has massive impacts in a variety of different ways. Necessary reading.
Forum:Reference books - what do we cover? - Some discussion of references books/criticism/analysis, doesn't go anywhere.
Forum:References to BFDWU as alternate or diverging timeline - Outdated, but one of the old discussions about Unbound being invalid.
Talk pages, 2012[[edit] | [edit source]]
Talk:P.S. (webcast)/Archive 1 - Outdated, but relevant to discussions about deleted scenes. User talk:Revanvolatrelundar/Archive 3#Blocking reversal + some discussions at User talk:Cyruptsaram that should be easy to find - Brief comments on SMW motivation as it intersects our categories, as well as how best to handle editors making rapid, mistaken edits, and disagreements on how to handle this.
Talk:Akhenaten - Actually a good question, and not one I'm sure we've resolved. How do we know that Amenhotep->Akhenaten is Amenhotep!Married!Nefertiti?
Talk:River Song/Archive 5#Bisexuality - Interesting discussion of to what extent we can trust anything Moffat says, application of T:NOT SFW, and some gestures towards where and how we can infer things in the show. No clear resolution for a general policy, just a specific case, but it's interesting to look back on.
Talk:P.S. (webcast)/Archive 1#Not a valid source + Talk:Devious (home video) - Since been overturned, but this seems to be the justification, insofar as we can use that term, for invalid stories not having continuity sections originally.
Threads, 2013[[edit] | [edit source]]
Talk pages, 2013[[edit] | [edit source]]
Threads, 2014[[edit] | [edit source]]
Talk pages, 2014[[edit] | [edit source]]
User talk pages to explore:[[edit] | [edit source]]
User talk:CzechOut
User talk:Tangerineduel
User talk:Azes13
User talk:23skidoo
User talk:Forgetful 10th doctor fan
User talk:MrThermomanPreacher
User talk:Josiah Rowe
User talk:OttselSpy25
-User talk:Americanwhofan
User talk:The Librarian
User talk:Skittles the hog
User talk:Mini-mitch
User talk:Rob T Firefly
User talk:Revanvolatrelundar
User talk:Noneofyourbusiness
User talk:Bold Clone
User talk:Ebyabe
User talk:Tybort
User talk:Shambala108
User talk:Gousha
User talk:Imamadmad
User talk:Doug86
User talk:GusF
