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== Your question about images ==
== Re: Re: Apology ==
Hey hey :) Thanks for your recent question about images. I've removed it from [[Thread:200906]] because that thread is in [[Board:The Time Lord Academy]], which is primarily used for '''announcements''', rather than discussions.
You'll get no more clarity from me. I ignored you for a reason because you, like always, were going round in circles to get the final word. You are an admin, act like it. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:24, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


You didn't get an automatic welcome, which would have given you more convenient access to our rules, and particularly those around image use.  Sorry about that! The welcome tool was broken for a number of weeks. So I've manually added it to this page. [[T:IUP]] is where you'll find a lot of answers about our image policies here, but you may be particularly interested in [[T:IUP FAIR]].  Thanks, and welcome aboard!  Always good to have another Duck fan around! {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 22:44: Wed 11 Jul 2018</span>
== btw ==


Thank you very much! And glad to know you're another Duck enthusiast. (I imagine ''DuckTales 2017''<span>'</span>s casting of Tennant and Tate must have increased the overlap in fandoms, come to think of it.) --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck#top|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:49, July 11, 2018 (UTC)
You might want to protect [[Doctor Who]] (just because that page probably should be protected) and block the vandal. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


== File deletion ==
== Admin help ==


Hey, with all due respect, I'm afraid you're talking to a wrong admin. If the file you mean is [[:File:When he was a woman.png]], then it was deleted by [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]], not by me. Note that it is not necessary to participate in a discussion to bump into a newly uploaded image. There is a special page for them, and admin often police these lists for possible violations. During such cleaning jobs, a file in clear violation of the rules requires no further investigation and may be deleted on sight. Don't take it personally.
Can I get an admin's eyes on [[Forum:TV Comic & other periodical issues]]? I just feel like I've been attacked in a very inappropriate way. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 05:37, 22 September 2023 (UTC)


Incidentally, as someone who struggled with the image restrictions myself in the past (as you might have discovered), my advice is to accept them and put an extra effort once into learning how to satisfy them. Like many users before me, I've learned in my time that it is possible (and not that difficult). Of course, you can restart the discussion but it is likely to be closed for lack of new arguments. And barring a possible rule change, you will have to learn to follow the current rules from [[Help:Image cheat card]] anyways. Good luck and remember to always keep your cool. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:48, October 2, 2018 (UTC)
== The Encyclopedia ==
:Huh, sorry. (Still, I ''do'' think it's about time the file-size problem was reevaluated. That policy's right out of the early 2000's and it bothers more people than it helps. And I can't think of a single argument against my "forewarning" suggestion.)--[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck#top|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:57, October 2, 2018 (UTC)


== Re: File deletion ==
An example.
:''Coffa: One of Jabe’s associates from the Forest of Cheem aboard Platform One. He was distressed to hear of Jabe’s death from the Doctor. (1 .2) (Played by PAUL CASEY)''
[[User:MrThermomanPreacher|MrThermomanPreacher]] [[User talk:MrThermomanPreacher|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:11, 22 September 2023 (UTC)


Hi, apologies in advance because this is going to be a bit long. But I wanted to address all your comments not only in the post you left on my page, but also your response to [[User:Amorkuz]] regarding our image policy.
==Dirk Gently==
Hi Scrooge,
You said at [[Talk:The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (series)]] that you were going to make a thread on Dirk Gently. Do you mind if I make it, as I have a vague idea of how to do it, or do you want to do it? [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]]  13:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)


* First of all, you stated, "As you know, participating in the Prounoun Use for Time Lords discussion..." Well, I didn't know. I ''have'' been following that discussion, but I never saw your image there. I use the "recent changes" page to see uploads etc. that I might have to deal with.
: Okay. [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]]  13:17, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
* As for the "several" issues with your images, I have a preloaded comment on the drop-down menu when I give reasons for deletion. If there are at least two issues, I use that comment. The only other issue with your image is that it was .png, which you have since corrected.
* Image size: there is a '''very''' good reason for this policy. I don't know the statistics, but many people access this wiki via cell phones. Therefore, we limit the size of images for them (as well as people who have slower load times on computers). You can suggest a change in the forums if you want, but I advise you not to waste your time because the policy isn't going to be changed. The policy is not "woefully outdated", "antiquated" or "draconian".  
* Speaking of the drop-down message I leave for image deletions, part of that message includes a link to a forum thread I created to make it easier to access all our image policies: [[Thread:148148]]. I believe that thread includes advice on how to bring down image sizes.
* Forewarning - sorry, but that isn't going to happen. It would require extra work on my part to leave a message on each user's page, then check back later to see if they fixed the problem. There are just way too many new users who don't read the image policies before uploading images; I learned a long time ago that users learn more from having their work removed than from someone else cleaning up their mistakes.
* "It bothers more people than it helps" - you actually have no proof of that. Most people who '''edit''' here don't realize that there are many many more people who visit this site without ever editing it, and many of them use cell phones.
* Lastly, I suggest you take a look at [[Tardis:No personal attacks]]. When you uploaded the new versions of your images, you basically violated that policy with your comments. There's no valid reason to say that I "savagely deleted" your image; there's nothing personal when I delete images and you are violating the directive to "assume good faith" when you used that term. Keep in mind that your comment is now attached to that image, and anyone reading the forum thread and clicking on the image can see your comment. That is unacceptable, especially since our forums attract a lot of new users and we don't want to give the impression that it's ok to criticize other users.


Thanks for your patience in reading this long message, [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:19, October 3, 2018 (UTC)
== Popping in to ask ==
:: Thank you for a very in-depth answer.
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:: I hadn't considered the issue of cellphones users; previously browsing the old discussions, the latest I could find on the subject restated that the small images were for the benefit of people with slow Internet on their personal computers, and didn't, as far as I recall, mention cellphones. Though I honestly don't entirely follow the reasoning ''with'' cellphones, either. Note for example that quintessential primarily-telephone-browsed websites include Tumblr or Twitter, and on both rather large images are commonplace. I don't know. As someone who never, ever uses a telephone for Internet-browsing I might just be missing something.
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:: It's a pity about the forewarning. But I ''would'' still consider the policies of this Wiki on the draconian side of things — which doesn't mean they're wrong; but speaking as someone who has been active on a number of Wikis, it's simple fact that I've never seen one as harsh in its image-policies as Tardis. Some ''advised'', for example, the use of Jpg for live-action images and Png for drawings and diagrams — but I have never, ''ever'' seen one where this was a hard rule and your image would get automatically deleted if you violated it. On the ''Harry Potter Wiki'' (the closest in size to Tardis, though, of course, Tardis stil wins by a wide margin), the deletion of an image file has to be discussed on the "Candidates for deletion" talkpage, like any other page, unless it is obvious NSFW trolling. On the ''Scrooge McDuck Wiki'', with the exception (again) of NSFW trolling, it's ''against'' policy to delete an image, even if it is no longer in use on any page.
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:: I apologize for the "savagely deleted" comment, written through the lens of extreme annoyance (and while I had a headache for other, medical reasons). Note however that I didn't mean it as a ''personal'' attack towards ''you'' — it referred to my opinion on the policies themselves.
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:: One practical question, though: the Image Policies state plainly that png is the ''preferred'' format for drawings, as opposed to screenshots of live-action or photographs. Why then was png an argument ''against'' my image? It is, after all, a drawing. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck#top|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:03, October 3, 2018 (UTC)


== Forum posts ==
How's [[User:Najawin/Sandbox 9]]'s sections (in terms of subsections + pictures? - best to scroll down a bit for best effect) this time? [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:59, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
:Alright, so whenever you think that should go live. (Obviously others can edit whenever they wish. Changes are still desired, especially since there's no S13 summary.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:16, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
::Could you push them live when you have the time? Cheers. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:26, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


Hi, you are going to stop complaining about forum threads being closed, especially in unrelated forum threads. That's not your job to decide; if you have an issue with a forum thread closing, take it to the talk page of the admin that did it. Otherwise such comments will be removed from the forum threads, and repeated violations in the past by other users have been met with lengthy blocks.  
== Companions of the 13th Doctor template action request. ==


See, I think you need to understand that admins are not paid staff, we are volunteers just like the rest of you. We don't have time to warn every user when we are about to take such actions as deleting images or closing long-abandoned forum threads. And the forums are very public places on this wiki, so I enforce a much stricter standard of posting than I would on a talk page. We have lots of new users who come to the forums first, and they have no idea what our policies are and who is/isn't an admin.
As the Template for the Companions of the 13th Doctor is Locked (for good reasons), and I have suggested adding [[Different (Canaries)]]to the template but no one has replied to this (also understandable most people can be very busy). So I am making my pitch to you because on the talk page you have been the only active admin.  
at the end of [[The Paradox Moon (short story)]]Siblijg Different now going by Mae sets of into the universe travelling with the 13th Doctor. May I thus suggest you ad Different to said template, thank you. [[User:Anastasia Cousins|Anastasia Cousins]] [[User talk:Anastasia Cousins|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:24, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


Thanks for your attention, [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:57, November 5, 2018 (UTC)
:: Thank you [[User:Anastasia Cousins|Anastasia Cousins]] [[User talk:Anastasia Cousins|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:45, 6 October 2023 (UTC)


: I apologize if my post sounded like "complaining", I only meant it as a legitimate question — as the answer to it seemed relevant to the Romana Trey/Romana III thread. And I wasn't the one to bring up the old thread to begin with; someone else did; once it was in discussion I didn't see a problem with discussing its content. I could, if you want, edit the post to make my intentions clearer, for the benefit of the new users you are referring to? --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck#top|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:01, November 5, 2018 (UTC)
==Re: Life on Magrs stuff==
Yeah, think you're probably right about Autumnal cat drawings; for a start, I hadn't realised about the fact that it's a different fictionalised version of Bernard Socks, and the Manhattan map shouldn't have been created in the first place. Not sure I agree with you about the Iris Wildthyme in the Post, but I'm iffy on that one. The one written in the style of Story of Fester Cat we should probably keep, and I was iffy about the Rue Broca one, but I think that might pass. What's your opinion on the poems? [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] 20:40, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


== Removing posts by other editors ==
: But if you read {{cs|The Story of Fester Cat (novel)}}, Fester is quite definitely a defined, rounded character. And the same character pops up in ''A Year Since'' and arguably in ''Fester Cat's poem''. And surely that tangible character is copyrightable. (Also, {{cs|Party Like it's 1979 (short story)}} certainly seems to suggest that certain fictional versions of characters reappearing are enough to satisfy rule 2) (can't comment on Bernard Socks, as I haven't read ''Welcome Home'') [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]]  20:57, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
I am assuming this could be an honest mistake even though you removed my post seven minutes after it was posted. Do not repeat this again.


And I sincerely ask you to drop it. This is not a game. It's a life of a real person, a child. It's exactly a wrong page to be argumentative for the sake of the argument. We should stop trampling on a special gift given to Anna by Jodie and the TARDIS crew. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:01, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
:: Well, it has Fester speaking from a posthumous position, which he is able to in ''Story of Fester Cat'', and it also more or less follows on from the end of ''Story of Fester Cat'' I think (but I'm not sure because a) I'm only halfway through the book and b) the book isn't linear). [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] 21:06, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
: It was indeed a complete mishap. No idea how it happened. Conflicting edits, probably (I went back to fix a typo in my own message a little while after posting).
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: And I get what you mean, I do — though frankly, if it were me, I'd be even more happy if a side-effect of Whittaker & Co's kindness was that I got to be considered a real ''Doctor Who'' character. See my last post on said talk page. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck#top|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:06, November 19, 2018 (UTC)


== Pipe-switching capital letters ==
::: Come to think of it, do you think a dead anthropomorphic Fester Cat would be copyrightable? [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] 21:12, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi. Just wanted to let you know that pipe-switching capital letters when linking to pages such as [[the Doctor]], [[the Rani's TARDIS]], etc. is not necessary. You can just write it in lower case, and the link still works ;). Happy editing. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:33, December 21, 2018 (UTC)
:Yeah, not much I can do to help in this matter, I suppose. I typically always upload .jpg files because they are easier to get under 100kb for me. But keep in mind (specially with admins, and furthermore in the case of Shambala, who, I ''think'' tends to do clean-ups) that it's very common to wait a few hours (or days indeed) to get a reply from user talk messages. But I'm sure she'll get around to answering you, eventually. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:47, December 21, 2018 (UTC)


== Re: PNG ==
== The Curator returns ==


Hi, per [[Tardis:Image use policy]], "Use JPG format for photographic images, like screenshots. Use the SVG format where possible for icons, logos, drawings, maps, flags, and such. PNG format is also acceptable as an alternative to SVGs, and can be especially convenient when you require an image to have a transparent background."
Hey. Finally back again. More stories for you, of course. Massive things. But first: Discord.


PNG is mainly for images when you want transparent backgrounds. This is not the case for comic images. If you choose pretty much any comic image at random, you'll see that they are in JPG. This is partly for consistency, something that most users don't appreciate the need for, but on a wiki this size it's a prime consideration for many policies.  
I've sent a friend request from a new account (Phoenix). We'll catch up there as soon as we're both online at the same time. (Internet access is still very much on the wibbly side.)


Also, I feel like I need to remind you that I and other admins are not paid staff here. When we receive a message on our talk pages, we try to answer as soon as possible, and an answer within two days is considered better than what you get on most wikis. It is not necessary to go to someone else within a few hours after you make your original post. Please keep in mind that we all have real lives, we might live in different time zones, and of course this time of year is especially busy for many of us.
Mind adding me back to the channel, as well? Love from the Island.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 20:05, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


Thanks, [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:58, December 22, 2018 (UTC)
== Moving N-Space to "Primary universe" ==
I was reading a wiki page here a few days ago, and saw it refer to what has been typically called [[N-Space]] as a default term for the universe the ''Doctor Who'' franchise is set within as the "Primary universe", and I though that would be a good name that would put the "N-Space naming controversy" to rest. Unfortunately, I've forgotten in what story it was referred to as such, and can't citate the reference. I wanted to ask if you thought "Primary universe" would also make a good difference, and if you might know how to find the source? [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:07, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


:I'm sorry, apparently I wasn't clear enough. We use JPG for comic images (see virtually any comic image on the wiki) and I gave a reasonable reason: for consistency. The policy I cited says PNG is for transparency, which comic images do not need. If it helps, I will change the language at the policy, but for the sanity of all admins, it is just better to keep as many images as possible in the same format (JPG) to keep new users from misunderstanding the rules and using PNG for any image. Like I said above, much of what we do here is for consistency and ease of enforcement, which is necessary when you have a wiki with 50+ years of material and 60000+ pages. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:39, December 23, 2018 (UTC)
Truth be told, I wish we could call it "The Doctor's universe" too, but, thanks to one Christopher Chibnall, to call it that would no longer be accurate, since he went out of his way to make it ''not'' the Doctor's universe, but their adopted one. I wonder why we can't just title the page "The Universe", like how Luna is titled [[the Moon]] or Sol is titled [[the Sun]]?[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


:: Apologies for butting in, but I am curious why you do not apply screenshot rules to comic images. Don't you obtain images for comics by taking a screenshot of the comic presented on your screen? I certainly do. How do you make them otherwise? Even if you scan a printed edition, [[Forum:Tech note: Image use policy change]] clearly mandates to use jpg. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:06, December 23, 2018 (UTC)
I get what your going with, but I'm afraid I'm too literal minded to accept it. Oh, and sorry about the galleries width. I didn't know it was a rule, I just thought it was picked at random. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:26, 16 October 2023 (UTC)


::: Well, far be it from me to opine on how you store your comic stories. But neither should the policy and the type of files for images be affected by your personal habits. It is rare that comics are sold as pdfs because of copyright, DRM etc. And comics are certainly never sold as individual jpg's, one per page. The policy does not refer to the eventual format you chose for storing it. The policy refers to the formats that can be obtained from original legally bought merchandise. For comics, by far the most common ones are paper editions, which can be scanned, and digital editions, which geneally cannot be legally transformed into pdf or jpg, but can be screenshot. For both cases, the policy mandates the use of jpg format. While there may exist some marginal cases other than these two, as Shambala already mentioned, it would be counterproductive to let the policy split hairs. Use jpg for all comics is a good policy because it is easy to maintain, and it has no downsides.
==Re: And Today, You series==
Okay, thanks. <u>[[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: Georgia ; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Stuff I've done">🖊️</span>]] </u> 12:45, 17 October 2023 (UTC)


::: There may be other cases of non-comic images that can be classified as line drawing and would benefit(?) from png-format. But I cannot think of an example. Again, as already mentioned by Shambala, transparency could be one feauture, but I cannot think of an image using transparency. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:31, December 23, 2018 (UTC)
: Oops, sorry, didn't notice that. <u>[[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: Georgia ; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Stuff I've done">🖊️</span>]] </u> 06:53, 19 October 2023 (UTC)


::::Well, that lays this one to rest, thanks to [[User:Amorkuz]]. But you need to keep in mind that we can't cover every contingency in every policy page, so sometimes you do have to, as you put it, take an admin's word for it. In this case, my experience of editing story pages yielded the fact that most, if not all, comic images are JPG.
== T:POINT ==
Just out of interest, would a NuWho exclusion debate on my part be against T:POINT? <u>[[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: Georgia ; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Stuff I've done">🖊️</span>]] </u> 14:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)


::::And here's where you can have a look at the uses of PNG for transparencies: [[:Category:Real world logos]]. Note which ones use JPG and which ones use PNG and you should be able to spot the distinction. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:37, December 24, 2018 (UTC)
: I mean, personally, I interpreted those statements literally, and the point would have been that ordinary rule 4 apparently invalidates what most people are interested in us about. Probably still T:POINT violation, though. <u>[[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: Georgia ; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Stuff I've done">🖊️</span>]] </u> 14:35, 23 October 2023 (UTC)


== Yana ==
== Citesource problem ==
I haven't actually left a message; I just added [[Yana]] and [[John Smith (Tenth Doctor)]] to the "Pages most relevant to this discussion" at the bottom after reading the debate.--[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:59, February 4, 2019 (UTC)


== Personal attacks ==
I feel now is a good time to bring up the problem with the citesource template, if it is indeed preventing story titles from italicising just because they are untitled, which violates a policy I can't remember on how all story names' need to be italicised. Furthur more, is there anything that came be done with hyperlinks such as, ([[COMIC]]: ''Endgame'' (part four)), for example. The brackets within brackets just doesn't jive well. I remember talking about this grievance in a forum, but the forum has not been updates for a while now. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:30, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi given that you've been warned at least once before, you're blocked for three days for violating [[Tardis:No personal attacks]] at [[Thread:171578]] when you called [[User:AdricLovesNyssa]]'s comments "poppycock". [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:38, February 10, 2019 (UTC)
: …Oh for cryin' out loud. First and foremosthat was a joke. I thought using a funny, old-timey word would have made that clear. I don't think anyone involved other than you thought it was a ''personal attack'' of all things. Because it didn't refer to Adric's comment as a whole, ''let alone'' to them as a person. It was very specifically about one of the suggested ideas. And again. A joke.


: I have perused [[Tardis:No personal attacks]] and, much as I expected, failed to see anything whatsoever forbidding someone to use a jokey word to point out that someone's ideas on a specific matter are a bit silly. The policy is about insulting ''people'', and I did no such thing.
== Sorry ==


: I have nothing but good feelings about the Tardis Data Core, and as the main admin of another Wiki that's nowhere near this one's size I can sympathize with how hard it can be to keep order on such things. But in my opinion, your way, that is to say, sometimes-bizarrely strict rules, enforced in usually-fair, but ever-ruthless fashion — that's not a decent way to do it. Since it has a tendency to boil down to "shoot first, ask questions later".
I figured since some sources are mentioned multiple times, we only need to specify the medium once. But I suppose you're right that context is necessary. Please accept my sincere apology. [[User:BastianBalthazarBux|BastianBalthazarBux]] [[User talk:BastianBalthazarBux|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:26, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


: <small>(If I may make a suggestion, I think a worthy improvement to the way you handle perceived "personal attacks" (to other Wiki editors; ''Doctor Who'' cast & crew is an entirely other kettle of fish) would be first to see if the supposed target perceived the comment as insulting; then to have them talk things over with the supposed culprit if they thought it was an attack. If after this process the victim still feels there's been a wrong, ''then'' start dealing out sanctions. This would prevent miscarriages of justice such as, well, this one. And what's more, it would actually be beneficial to you admins, since then you'd only be called in as a last resort, while not bothering you for nothing in situations where there's plainly no harm done.)</small> --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck#top|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:49, February 10, 2019 (UTC)
== Definite article ==


Disclaimer: by the time I got your post, you had already been blocked by [[User:Amorkuz]].
Hi, Scrooge. I was just wondering what the current policy is on using the definite article in page names.


Anyway, there are two main points that I want to make about your (original) block.
Specifically, I'm wondering if the likes of [[White Guardian]] and [[Black Guardian]] need to be moved to [[The White Guardian]] and [[The Black Guardian]] to comply with current policy and when pages for non-individuals need the definite article. For instance, why does [[The Dragon Scriptures]] have it when we don't have [[The Time Vortex]] or [[The Scrolls of Gallifrey]]? [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:50, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


First, I think most users are not aware that our forums attract many new users. Maybe they're looking for a chance to talk about DW but haven't found the discussion boards yet, I don't know. At any rate, the forums are a highly visible place for new users, and as such I enforce our rules '''much more strictly''' than on, say, article talk pages. If something even remotely looks like a personal attack, I will block (unless it's against me, because I don't want it to look like I'm silencing someone who disagrees with me in a forum thread). Keep in mind that when I blocked you it was only for three days, despite me already having given you a warning. Most blocks are for '''much, much longer'''.
: Okie doke, thanks for that. I haven't been keeping my eye on the forums and just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed something. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:51, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


Second, the purpose of the block is to teach the correct behavior. I warned you once, but since that didn't work, the block was necessary. I'm going to give you an example that is similar to yours. Several years ago, [[User:SOTO]] made what appeared to be a personal attack against me. By my usual policy, I warned him instead of blocking him (since it was against myself). He explained that what he said was not aimed at me. I then told him that sometimes when a user tries to make a joke, it can come across entirely unlike what he intended. In SOTO's case, he hasn't stopped making obscure comments that are hard to understand, but he is careful not to say anything that could offend. This is what I suggest you do: if you want to say something funny, think about how (especially new) users might (mis)interpret what you want to say. And especially, if you disagree with someone, just say "I disagree" and give your reasons.
== Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes ==


Despite your defense of your comment, it looked to me (and who knows who else) like you were dismissing [[User:AdricLovesNyssa]]'s comment. Please in the future treat other users as you would like.
Good evening.


And one last thing, while I can appreciate your finding it necessary to involve someone else in stating your defense, we actually do have a procedure in place for you to protest a block: see [[Help:I'm blocked]] for what to do if you want to contest Amorkuz' block.
I was hoping to find some clarity regarding why continuity sections were being remade from an out-of-universe perspective, when they are reference in-universe events. I had contacted the main advocate of the edits, [[User:Epsilon the Eternal]], and they pointed me in your direction by supplying me with this quote from Forum:Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes;
{{quote|Going forward, '''an out-of-universe perspective should be favoured in all continuity sections if possible'''. This is a big ask, and although it's an ideal to trend towards I will not demand that we pull out all stops making valid stories' sections conform to this. However, given that we're going to be creating Continuity sections when none existed, I can and will ask that '''all continuity sections on invalid pages, and "continuity to non-valid sources" sections on valid or invalid pages, be written from an out-of-universe perspective'''. I think that ought to solve Czech's issue, to whatever extent it may have otherwise been a concern.|@Scrooge MacDuck, [[Forum:Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes]]}}


Thanks, [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:19, February 14, 2019 (UTC)
Readying this, I am given the impression that only stories marked as in-valid are to have out-of-universe written summaries, and that valid stories are to retain an in-universe summery. Am I correct in that assumption?
 
Thank you for your time,
Sincerely,  
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:04, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 
== Recent edits ==
 
I'm coming to you directly to prevent any unneeded unpleasantness from happening, like you thinking I'm a vandal and blocking me over an honest misunderstanding.
 
I promise you I am not removing information, except the occasional titbits that are either incorrect or unrelated the the article. At worse, I'm just rewording some sentences to get more direct to the point and "trimming the fat", to coin a phrase, to avoid repetition. My main goal is to update the articles now that I have full access to the source material as part of my research into the Fourteenth Doctor's character in preparation for upcoming 2023 specials. Believe me, I dislike it when users delete information, too.
 
I hope to settles any trouble that has been caused.
Sincrely,
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 
:: Oh the removal of ''Whotopia: The Ultimate Guide to the Whoniverse'' was no accident, for two reasons. 1) It says "appears" and "imply", which means it is speculative and speculation has always been taboo on this wiki. 2) It dabbles in timelines, which have long been relegated to theory forums unless absolutely needed, in conjunction with the taboo against speculation. These points, plus its evident irrelevance to the short story itself, are why I took the initiative and removed it. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 
Editors shouldn't have to explain ''every'' edit they make, otherwise the wiki wouldn't feel like a safe place for contribution. I'll have been editing for 10 years next June, and we've done fine with some good faith and talking it out if there's a disagreement. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:26, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 
Would it be possible to get a link to a list of these policies? Because everyone's been coming out the woodworks lately throwing words like T:NPOV, BOUND and "by policy" at me, and I have no idea what they're talking about half the time. I'm just trying to edit like I always have, and seems I'm out of the loop on certain updates. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:36, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 
== Forum:Clarifying in-universe deadnaming policy in response to Rose Noble ==
 
Hello. I am sorry for bothering you about this but I would like you to take a look at Forum:Clarifying in-universe deadnaming policy in response to Rose Noble as I feel that anonymous user 51.191.137.161 is skirting a bit to close to transphobia. (I am not saying they are but as a trans person I feel they are on the very edge of it) I would like you to at least step in and remained everyone to stay civil and polite. But due to the anonymous user having no prior contributions before this forum I feel that they really just  arrived here specifically to add to this forum. Not to mention their constant accusations of that trans people are trying to make themselves the centre of the world which to me feels very very close to Transphobia and has made me rather uncomfortable. I added my views on the subject and soon after they immediately accused me of calling them cis and and said that is it foolish of me to think that trans people know more about being trans than cis people. I had not accused them of being cis. I was not even referring to anyone in particular. As well as arguing for real world people to have their deadnames on this wiki which I believe would be in breach of fandom policy. Now I will leave it up to you to decide what to do but please at the very least just step in and make sure everyone is playing nicely.
and if I am in the wrong at any point in this please do inform. [[User:Anastasia Cousins|Anastasia Cousins]] [[User talk:Anastasia Cousins|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 
== Peri ==
 
Hi, Scrooge. I'm a little confused. Is there no limit to the length a story's coverage can be on a character's page anymore? [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 
: I extended it from three sentences to five before you reverted it. The biography as it is now doesn't actually integrate anything from other sources beyond two insights into Peri's thoughts and feelings from the novelisation. I don't really see the value in detailing absolutely everything she does in that one story and think the important things can easily be trimmed down by several hundred words.
 
:: Upon arriving on [[Thoros-Beta]], Peri and the Doctor were attacked by [[the Raak]] and captured by [[Kiv]]'s men, but they managed to escape with [[Yrcanos]] after [[Crozier]] attempted to interrogate him to learn what provoked the Raak. The Doctor began behaving oddly and betrayed his friends to [[Sil]], leading Peri, Yrcanos and [[Dorf]] to stir up rebellion amongst the [[Thoros-Alphan]]s until they were stunned by [[Frax]] and imprisoned.
 
:: Peri was chosen by Crozier to become the host for Kiv's [[brainwave]]s. Assisted by [[Kani|Matrona Kani]], he experimented upon her, resulting in her mind being erased and Kiv taking control of her body. To prevent Crozier's discovery from making Kiv [[immortality|immortal]] and affecting [[evolution]] across the universe, the [[High Council]] used Yrcanos as an unwitting [[assassin]] to kill Kiv by destroying Peri's body with a [[CD phaser]] soon after the successful transfer. ([[TV]]: {{cs|Mindwarp (TV story)}})
 
: If that's not enough, I'm really going to have to go over everything I've written on her page, which I've limited to the key parts of her involvement in stories rather than complete walkthroughs. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 
:: In which case, I'll aim for that much. At its current length, it's a bit indigestible. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 
== About spoilers ==
 
Just a double check. As it currently stands, I presume the policy on [[T:SPOIL ALLOW]] means spoilers are disallowed on any talk page outside of those limited examples right? Does it mean stuff in the Tardis talk: namespace, for instance? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 16:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
: Alright, but what I said before appears to also apply to the caveats in [[T:OFFICIAL INFO]], too. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 17:26, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 
== [[Bulgaria school murder]] ==
 
Hi, Scrooge. Got a familiar bit of spam at this page and its talk page. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 
== Cite source template clarification needed ==
Hello Scrooge. Hope all has been well. Congrats on being a staff by the way! Great to see you are still around ^_^ Was hoping you could help me clarify a matter.
 
Given Doctor Who was off air for about a year, I have come back to find there is this new “cite source” template used on TARDIS for citing stories as we have always done here with in-line citations and so forth. However, while editing, I have noticed there is inconsistency in which style is used among various editors and also within articles on the wiki. For example, in the same section “cite source” is used for one story but the next it is the classic “[[TV]]: Story” style.
 
I checked the policy pages but am struggling to find the new “cite source” one; the T:CITE one still commands the usage of the classic style. Therefore, I thought it best to ask you which one we are meant to be using or if we are indeed using all three variations but it depends on the circumstances (in-universe or out-universe, real world articles or character articles). Can you help provide some clarification?
 
I look forward to hearing your reply! [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 22:16, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 
:Ahhh, okay then! So I do use it and where I see someone is using the old style or where the old style is still on the article, I should convert it to the new “cite source” one in all cases (regardless of the article)? [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 22:39, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 
::Great! The wider editing base is aware of this change yes? Some editors appear to keep reverting my changes regarding this style; edit warring risks occurring it seems if editors aren’t aware and I keep having to change them back to the “cite source” style - loads more work too. [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 17:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 
== Executive decisions ==
 
When you've the time, [[Talk:Disney+ (in-universe)]] and [[Talk:Wild Blue Yonder (TV story)]] have stalled out discussion (imo) and could use an admin to make final calls on their topics. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:08, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 
== Page deletion ==
 
If you've the time, [[From the Doctor to My Son Thomas]] is just fundamentally flawed and should be deleted. It's blatantly plagiarized from wikipedia. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
:Also, if you (or any admin who's online and reading talk pages) could have a look at [[Isaac Newton]] when you've the chance. The original IP user who accused me of violating [[T:NPOV]] is back and is [[T:VAN|vandalizing]] (#6) the page after Nate's ruling, refusing to accept it or move to the talk page. Blocking them and/or locking the page might be needed. (I'm removing myself as it's probably bordering on [[T:NO WARS]] here, even if it's technically vandalism.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:29, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 
== Re:R4bp ==
 
As far as that thread goes, I'm perfectly willing to call that thread unresolved and start over, perhaps with a more narrow scope, or with a more structured framework for how to proceed. It's been two months just about since the last bit of movement there, and I'd have to reread the whole thing if there was a new response anyhow.
 
I do think there was some interesting lines of thought that we were working on, but the thread just became so ''long'' that there were, what, four, five of us who were engaged at the end? And those who tapped out earlier on missed out on just large swathes of that discussion. It seems a bit unreasonable for, in effect, four or five users to be having a discussion that's this foundational and everyone else to be filibustered out. But at the same time the issues at play ''are'' complicated and ''do'' require a lot of discussion. So there's just not a super clear answer here imo.
 
But I'd be willing to trust a third party admin, say Nate or Bongo, to call it unresolved and then open up a new thread with a more narrow scope or with specific rules of engagement (at least to begin with - something like analyzing Web Theory ''in particular'' in one thread, not discussing any other issues, or perhaps discussing how we deal with Roland Rat-esque situations and daisy chaining more broadly, etc etc) if you are. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:20, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 
:That's fair enough, no worries. And I did have some idea as to what you've been so busy with, given the shiny new site and all. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:38, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 
== User report. ==
Hello there. I suspect that user [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheSuperMarioBros2023 TheSuperMarioBros2023] is a sockpuppet account of Hulksmashtheworld/Theincrediblehulk2003/The Worldbreaker Hulk/Hulkbreaktheworld.
That's all for now. --[[User:AzureKesil|AzureKesil]] [[User talk:AzureKesil|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:46, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
 
== RE: Missing thread ==
Ahh, I see. So the intention is simply transfer it to the Biography sub page, then just trim it down to roughly 3 sentences. In that case, it sounds relatively simple - it's less a complete rewrite or the article and simply just trimming it down a ton, with the original kept as a first draft to draw upon. Thank you for the addition! [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 11:35, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 
== Re:Templates and adaptions ==
 
I respectfully disagree. The "villain templates" are just for readers to get a quick look at which stories to look into to see where their favourite antagonists show up, hence we had that whole "when is a Dalek story a Dalek story and not just a story with the Daleks" debate a few years back. It's why the complete list of appearances is tagged on the bottom for a more deep dive into it.
 
What confuses me here is why there are now two editors adding ''The Giggle'' to the Toymaker's media box and not his first novelised story ''The Celestial Toymaker''. And that's not even going into the bigger picture of then adding all adaptations to the other templates for consistency. Where would they go then? Would they get their own "Novelisations" group or be lumped in "Prose stories"? If the latter, how will we tell adapoted stories from original prose adventures? If the former, it will repentant because it's just repeating the TV stories in potentially anachronistic order.
 
Food for thought,
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 
: I meant the novelisations would be anachronistic in comparison to the their television originals, since the books were released at their own pace. For example, the Cybermen first appeared in novel form in the novelisation of ''The Moonbase'', their second television serial. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 
That is what I am trying to say. I'm just also noting that new editors unaware of the feature will most likely put them in episode order as opposed to release order, or reorganise them thinking they've been incorrectly placed due to being in the dark about the release order of the novelisations. It's just something to put into consideration if novelisations are to get their own group on character story templates. 14:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 
== Pxrn uploads/vandalism ==
 
Looks like someone's bored and uploading inappropriate images [[:File:Peri's Grandaughter.jpg|here]]. — [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Send a space-time telegraph">@</span>]] 20:35, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 
== Master edits reply ==
 
Salutations. I wish to reply to you message on my talk page concerning my... "redrafts" of the Master pages, and hopefully clear up some confusion that seems to have taken place. Starting with the fact that I never intended my edits to come across as a redrafting of the articles. I started out updating them with some undocumented information, which I had intended to do when they were first individualised but never found the time before, and then took a closer look beforehand to see if there were anything else that needed editing.
 
Now, this cite source removal you mention. If you are referring to story links, you have me at a loss, since I actually went to great effort to avoid pasting over them when I was transferring updates from my Sandbox. But, if you are talking about the hyperlinks to the Master pages, like Delgado for {{Delgado}}, I think there's been a misunderstanding on the intention. As I am sure you remember, we used to use those hyperlinks when Time Lord incarnations were on a single page to link the appropriate incarnation to the source. I even remember inventing some of them myself for this reason for [[the Rani]] and [[the Monk]]. Since incarnations now have their own page, I was simply cutting out the middle man when I could and just linking to the page the traditional way, like with the [[Tremas Master]] for example.
 
As for the this accusation, for lack of a better word, of removing information and my edits being "thoroughly out of order" and "wthout any clear justification", I'm afraid I must take umbrage with that. I'll tackle your comment from the [[Bruce Master]] about his bullet point on the "Echo" Master being moved to the [[Decayed Master]] first. Simply put, the "Echo" Master's bullet point was moved to the Decayed Master's page was because the ''information'' concerning the bullet point was ''on'' the Decayed Master's character profile, so it felt more appropriate to have the bullet point there for consistency.
 
Indeed, as I have said before, I too dislike when information is removed from an article, but sometimes bits have to be removed to avoid repetitiveness; why repeat the spirit of the same sentence when it can all be covered together in a paragraph?
 
As for your feedback mentioning some good being added that had to be reverted, in that you are correct, as many spelling and grammatical mistakes I fixed have been readded to the main article. For example, several "days to come" section are now covering the post-regenerations, again for lack of a proper term, instead of hints to the future heard from the past, or have been removed all together, and paragraphs are now starting behind images instead of underneath. As well as several valid updates to their psychological profiles, and the puzzling inclusion to the ''The Timeless Child'' citation on "References" to the source of the clips the Masters hail from, and the equally questionable removal of [[The Master's aliases]] from the character infobox. These reversions make me question why my edits were deemed "destructive", when, by all apparent accounts, they produced more positive updates than negative?
 
Now to clear up with I believe if the biggest misunderstand about this affair concerning my Sandboxes for the Master. I originally created them ''because'' the Master's incarnations were not individualised and comprised to a single page, which was hard to edit due to the sheer size, so I created the Sandbox pages to have a better editing space before moving the new information to the main page. Once the main page was separated into individual pages, the Sandboxes were no longer of any use, so I stopped editing them. I've only just now found the time to start transferring the information I never got round to adding to the main page over. I had actually thinking about putting some of the more redundant Sanboxes up for deletion once I had transferred the appropriate edits, only keeping the ones that delved into "head cannon", but I needed to sleep, so I stopped at the [[Saxon Master]] and planned to continue with [[Missy]] and the [[Spy Master]] before I started proposing deletions at a later date. So, as I hope I have explained, I do not intend to have my Sandboxes replace the main pages. I was just using them because they were easier to edit at the time.
 
For a final note, I'd like to tackle how you called my edits "unjustified". But, "unjustified" in what way? Do I have to write an explanation for every edits I make? Does that not go against good faith editing and my rights as a user to edit articles if I feel they need updating, and then justifying my actions when I revert an edit or restore my reverted contributions? What I'm trying to say is that I'd like more constructive feedback on this topic.
 
I hope you found this reply enlightening and satisfactory,
Sincerely,
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:22, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 
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With the image files, it's not really a policy. Images are just generally slotted between paragraphs. But, for some reason, editors are adding them to the beginning of the paragraphs, making it hard to tell when the image ends and the sentences begin.
 
I'm afraid I must disagree with your assertion that "Aliases of the Master" only applies to incarnations with multiple aliases. [[User:Epsilon the Eternal]] added [[Aliases of the Doctor]] to the [[Fifteenth Doctor]] to cover one nickname, and I believe the Masters' pages should follow a similar principle, if for no other reason than preparation for aliases future works will give them.
 
Truth be told, I've forgotten where "Backstory" came from. I think I just misread the "Origin" subheading on [[the Lumiat]] without noticing.
 
Am I right in understanding that the main problem with my edits is that I didn't fill in the edit description? If so I must apologies for this. You see, I have a communicational disability that can make getting my points across clear, so I usually only fill in the description box when it's completely necessary. The rest of the time, I just assume readers will see what my edits are and come to same conclusion I had for making them. I hope that helps you understand my actions regarding leaving them blank.
 
Sincerely,
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 
:: I have some confusion on this biography reorganisation point I would like to cover before I start penning my full reply. Am I wrong in that you recently reorganised [[the Toymaker]]'s timelined biography without a talkpage debate or even an explanation in the edit description box? It's just really confusing for me at the moment to read one while another is apparently being practised. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:53, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 
== QA ==
 
Honestly this looks so bad I think it might merit going to Czech and asking him to talk to the team involved before this is UCP 2.0. The ''mandatory 3 answers per page'' is, frankly, surreal.
 
As far as email goes, still the same hangups. At least in part because my email accounts involve my actual name and creating new ones is such a hassle these days. (Why do you need my phone # for verification? I don't want you to have that.) In absolutely, entirely, completely unrelated news, were you aware that a friend of mine and DAVIS's did a recent review on Alien Bodies on yt? Completely unrelated of course. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:29, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
:Well, it's a very isolated place with very few prying eyes and everything is, importantly, deletable.
 
:It's just a hangup for me. Past trauma. Maybe in a year or three. We can hope. Nothing personal, I promise, and I am working on it with a therapist. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
::I truly don't believe having an account there would be psychologically healthy for me. Addictive personalities run in my family and I've had bad experiences with social media usage in the past. While TBCotW was ongoing I noticed some bad behavior on my part ''without'' having an account and merely reading what others wrote. Only being able to interact as a guest places a rather large buffer there. Just. I'm fine finding out when everyone else does. I just wanted to make sure it was on people's radar as the problem I think it is. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:14, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
:::(Ugh. Gah. I'll think about it. I do have a twitch, under a slightly different username, if you've one. I don't use whispers much on there, but given I technically already have it, you know.)
 
:::That's roughly my thoughts on the subject as well, but I brought up similar objections on their last blogpost about it and they just brushed them aside, saying that individual questions could be deleted so there'd be no problem. I think it's a UCP problem all over again, they're starting with small wikis and scaling up, so haven't thought about the unique problems that large wikis present. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:49, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
:::: 'This user has turned on "Block Whispers from Strangers" in their privacy settings and must start a conversation with you first.' [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:19, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 
== Vandalism ==
 
Didn't take long for a vandal to come along. User [[172.70.90.79]] is posting inappropriate vandalism on the Thirteenth Doctor and other pages. Same goes for [[172.71.134.112]]. [[User:FractalDoctor|FractalDoctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 
: Nice of them to allow the testing of the block feature. I guess it was sadly to be expected that we'd get some vandals since the new URL has been widely promoted on social media (and one platform in particular). Sigh. Thanks for the blocks though. You admins are great :) [[User:FractalDoctor|FractalDoctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 
== Block bug? ==
 
Morning Scrooge. I woke up earlier to find I was seemingly blocked until August 2024 for "vandalism" - however I have been editing both versions of the Wiki for years now and I'm not sure what happened? I have since refreshed a few times and now I am able to edit pages again. Just flagging it up - is it a bug? (Also, I did notice that when I was blocked it was impossible to get in touch with an admin on site, as it prevented me from adding to / editing Talk pages too. Is there a workaround for such cases?) Hopefully it was a weird glitch in the Matrix! — [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk">•</span>]] 09:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 
== Twitch ==
 
Oh that's a bother. From googling it seems like this is something they toggle from time to time. And yeah, I saw OS12 migrated over after I asked that. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:17, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
:Hey, about the thing we discussed earlier, what's your math background? I'll start with a rough outline based on that and figure out how I'll get it to you. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:37, 16 March 2024 (UTC)


== Block ==
== Block ==


Hi. Did you ever wonder why you sometimes narrate how you are being mistreated and how admin are wrong and you are right, and lo and behold an admin warns you about personal attacks, like it happened here:
Hi. I've just found I've seemingly been blocked until 26 August. The notice gives the reason of vandalism and states the block started 26 Feb (which I know is incorrect as I was editing earlier today). Guessing it's some kind of bug. I've noticed [[User:FractalDoctor]] posted something on your talk page recently and it looks to be a similar issue. I'll keep refreshing as they did and see if that solves it. Thanks. [[User:66 Seconds|66 Seconds]] [[User talk:66 Seconds|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
* "...then savagely deleted for reasons that partially escape me..."
 
Did you ever consider that your opinions are often rude and judgmental, like here:
:I had this on my first day here, then again the other day. A few refreshes resolved it. I also flagged it up here: https://tardis.wiki/wiki/Forum:General_Discussion_of_the_Fork#Bugs/fixes/etc. × [[User:Fractal|Fractal]] [[User talk:Fractal|<span title="Talk">•</span>]] 21:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
* "...ever-ruthless fashion — that's not a decent way to do it. Since it has a tendency to boil down to "shoot first, ask questions later"..."
:: What's especially odd is that, looking at [[Special:BlockList]], no one was blocked on that date, so it's not even that you're getting assigned someone else's block.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 21:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Did you consider that some of your posts are condescending, like here:
 
* "You no doubt committed the error detailed below with good intentions, and simply got carried away because running a Wiki is hard. (I know, I run one too...)"
== Re:SB ==
(In fact, if I knew for a fact that you are male, I would have said it is a textbook example of mansplaining)
 
No, that's what everyone thought at first! But then in the airlock scene we went '''''entirely''''' the other way. That the episode seems ''nominally'' pro choice, but the underlying ethos it's asking us to adopt is simply pro life + pro welfare. (Treating the bogeyman as identical to the others, saying you save them all, etc etc.) Again, don't think this was intentional. I think it was Davies using iconography without a ton of care, being sloppy, and getting this result. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
:I simply disagree, if you're going to invoke that analogy, and then compare the villain to the harmless, helpless, babies in this way, and ''use this as justification for saving them'', I think that's going to inevitably stir up the metaphor again. Perhaps, however, this is influenced by the fact that when the parthenogenesis machine did the analysis for the composition on the bogey monster our immediate guess was unfinished, uncompleted babies rather than snot. (Frankly I didn't think RtD would be so juvenile on the opener. Ah, to be so optimistic as myself only 4 days ago.) So that might have colored how we read the airlock scene. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 
== Did you? ==
 
Did you really do that just to get back at him for saying we were all coping? (I already made him read the [[The Cosmology of the Spiral Politic (feature)]] article, he's just being stubborn.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:34, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
:Well that certainly answers my question, but I was thinking of [[T-Time]], in light of the discussion this past week with SB Audio and the nature of Time Lords/the Doctor. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 
== FP forum ==
 
Just refreshed it after the new episode for, uh, obvious reasons. If you have admin perms you might want to check in, someone posted some spam in the last day. Cheers. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 
== Topical Pages ==
 
Might it be worth adding Sutekh to the list of topical pages? <font face="Maven Pro" color="#000000"><b>— [[User:Fractal|Fractal]] [[User talk:Fractal|<span title="Talk">•</span>]]</b></font> 13:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


Let me hasten to add that we do not have a policy against rudeness. You may choose to be rude. But this choice provides context for your other posts. So is it really that surprising that, as you keep making jokes, admin keep asking you to stop personal attacks?
== IP user removing delete tags ==


Now looking at the log, I can see that so far you called every time you were blocked a "miscarriage of justice". Here is your reaction to the first block by Shambala108:
So the IP user who's been doing all the colour/clothing/pattern edits lately I've noticed has been removing {{tlx|merge}} and {{tlx|delete}} instances on a few pages ([[Baldric]] and [[Celadon (colour)]] being the latest examples I've noticed). I'm not sure if there's much that can be done but I thought it should be brought to an admin's attention. - [[User:CodeAndGin|<span style="color:green" title="CodeAndGin">CodeAndGin</span>]] | [[User_talk:CodeAndGin|<span title="Talk to me">🗨</span>]] |  19:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
* "This would prevent miscarriages of justice such as, well, this one."
And here is your reaction to my block:
* "the month-long one you have now imposed on me was nothing short of a miscarriage of justice."
Of course, since then you admitted that Shambala108's block was not, in fact, unfair:
* "I rather disapprove of the way Tardis Wiki is handling the whole "Personal attacks" thing, Shamabala's (sic!) explanation was rational, clear, and convincing."


So I harbour a hope that you will change your opinion on the other block too, after looking at the situation from somebody else's perspective.
== Passing on a recommendation ==


Since I am not clairvoyant and cannot read your mind or guess your intentions, your words are the only thing I have to go by. Here is what you wrote:
Ah. So, I came across a book that's currently on sale on Amazon, rather massively so. Since it seems to be relatively well written on a topic we've discussed before, and is a history written in a way I thought you might appreciate, I figured I'd pass it along. Even if it is, well, [https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Dissidents-Rebuilding-Foundations-Mechanics/dp/3662446618?ref=dlx_deals_dg_dcl_3662446618_dt_sl14_1f Amazon]. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:55, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
* "For one thing, I used a silly "nonsense word", not some actual serious insult; it's an incompetent bully indeed who'd expect "Poppycock" to be taken as actual offensive name-calling these days."
I see here three options:
# Can it be interpreted to say that you were calling yourself a hypothetical "incompetent bully"? Perhaps. You did switch from first to third person before going for the said epithet, but you may have still meant yourself in a convoluted counterfactual sense.  
# More importantly, could it mean Shambala108, an admin who ''has'' blocked you because she ''had'' considered "poppycock" to be offensive on your part? In fact, who better fits the role of a hypothetic bully, an ordinary user who is simply being rude or an admin? Your views on this (and other admin) have been previously stated very clearly: we are savage, ruthless, "shoot first", "get carried away", ... Wouldn't you say that your persistent descriptions of admin of this wiki is suggestive of you thinking of us as "bullies"? On the other hand, why would you apply "bully" to yourself? Why would you even go from a personal attack to bullying? AFAIK, you have never been accused of bullying, which is several degrees worse than personal attacks. Thus, for someone who does not have access to your internal thinking, it looks much more likely that in this comment you continue railing against the "miscarriages of justice".
# A third possibility is that it was purposefully written in an ambiguous way so as to both let you blow off steam and at the same time provide an alibi.


As I said, I do not know which of the three options was intended. But even if the second option were not the more likely given the context, the fact that it ''is'' a possible reading makes it a personal attack. As Shambala108 explained to you, when other editors bump into your reaction to a block, they may "misinterpret what you want to say" and read it as a personal attack on the blocking admin, which is not an acceptable behaviour. Given that your reaction to a short block over a questionable post was to make an even more questionable post, only a longer block could have a chance to effect a change in your behaviour.
== IP editor removing deletion tags and reverting edits ==


To be quite honest with you I was considering shortening your block based on your explanation. But then I noticed something peculiar about [[w:c:community:Thread:1614398|your post to me]]. You misspell Shambala108's name in almost every instance. You write Shamabala instead of {{w|Shambala}}, even though the latter is a dictionary word. I did a quick spotcheck and it seems that this is not the first time: [[Special:Diff/2590776|you did the same in November]]. But you seem to have learned the correct spelling by [[Special:Diff/2602059|December]]. Once again, I do not know whether it was an honest mistake, a Freudian slip, or an even sneakier personal attack. So I have decided to follow your advice, as it were. I will ask Shambala108 to shorten your block if she does not consider this persistent misspelling offensive and thinks that your responses to her block and my block do indicate that you will refrain from language interpretable as personal attacks in the future. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:03, February 15, 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Scrooge. I think admin attention is needed with regard to the IP user's 2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:B548:8648:AF80:33B0 edits.


== Block: collective decision ==
They have been repeatedly reverting the removal of categories for "human war criminals" and "human war heroes" from several articles. Other editors and I had been removing them as in most of these cases there are no sources referring to them as such, and the IP editor's edit summaries only seem to be opinion based. There was a discussion on this on at [[Category talk:Human war criminals]], as a lot of the articles added appeared to be [[T:NO RW]] violations. They have also continually removed the deletion tags from "human war heroes" and "war heroes", two categories which they created. I have reverted their edits twice and have attempted to direct them to talk pages, but they have ignored this. Unfortunately, this isn't the first time they've done this. [[User:BlueSupergiant|BlueSupergiant]] [[User talk:BlueSupergiant|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:03, 15 July 2024 (UTC)


You can find the final decision at [[User talk:Amorkuz#Re; Scrooge MacDuck's block]]. None of the admin involved feel that your messages in response to the blocks warrant the shortening thereof. I apologise for assuming originally that you are familiar with our procedures for those under block, but you have been informed by now. Based on some unfortunate recent experiences and not to repeat this mistake of assuming your general knowledge, I would like to impress on you the seriousness of our [[T:SOCK|sock puppetry policy]]. An attempt to circumvent a block by editing from an IP or an alternative account would result in an automatic infinite block on all accounts involved, with no possibility of an appeal. Note that this policy is also triggered by attempting to appeal your current block from an IP or some such. To be clear, I do not view such an attempt as likely on your part. But better safe than unwittingly walking into an irreversible infinite block. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:57, February 15, 2019 (UTC)
:They're back again, as 2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:F8C3:883:E4A8:3972 this time, doing the same sort of overcat-ing and removal of delete tags. I am wholly convinced they are the same editor as from yesterday, and from my post a couple weeks ago (also the IP always has the same 4 numbers at the start: "2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01", which when taking their editing habits and writing style into account makes me ''fairly'' sure it's the same user). - [[User:CodeAndGin|<span style="color:green" title="CodeAndGin">CodeAndGin</span>]] | [[User_talk:CodeAndGin|<span title="Talk to me">🗨</span>]] |  01:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)


== Violating policies while blocked ==
::"2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:1BA:2728:183E:9D51" this time (at least the most recent one; there have been 3 different IPs with the same beginning numbers and editing patterns today; I don't believe they're switching IPs to circumvent the blocks, just that they have a dynamic one, which unfortunately makes tracking their edits a Sisyphean task) - [[User:CodeAndGin|<span style="color:green" title="CodeAndGin">CodeAndGin</span>]] | [[User_talk:CodeAndGin|<span title="Talk to me">🗨</span>]] |  12:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)


Please be advised that your latest post to me on Community central violates Tardis policy regarding behaviour while blocked in several way. The policy was communicated to you by [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] and quoted by you in your first message on Community central. Hence, your knowledge of it is not in doubt. Since I specifically referenced this policy in my response to your appeal, the violation of this policy cannot be anything but deliberate. I will quote the policy at length:
== Re: Notes ==
{{quote|Because Fandom Staff probably won't help you, somehow you need to get in touch with local admin. The only way to do this, if they're preventing you from all communication on their wiki, is to go to another Fandom wiki — neutral ground as it were — and leave a message on their wall/talk page '''there'''. If they don't respond to you after '''''one'' (again, ''one'') polite and reasonable''' attempt at apology, you can make one last attempt.


You can then seek out '''a different local admin than the one who blocked you''' and plead your case. (Again, you'll have to contact them on a different wiki, and again you'll need to keep your cool when you do it.) Admit that you were wrong and ask the "neutral" admin to perform an internal review of the case. If you make your case politely and you admit you were wrong, you '''might''' get the blocking re-considered. The blocking might not actually get overturned, but at least you'll have gotten ''some'' sort of review by the only people who can overturn it.
Oh! Well, in that case, my bad. @Tsumioni made me realise we have a large inconsistency, as 90% of pages still have "Story notes". Thanks for clearing that up. I've also left a note on @Tsumioni's talk page. <font face="Maven Pro" color="#000000">— [[User:Fractal|Fractal]] [[User talk:Fractal|<span title="Talk">•</span>]]</font> 00:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)


Having said all this, you need to be '''very''' careful about contacting people who have blocked you. Don't carry on a ''conversation'' with a person on ''wiki a'' about events on ''wiki b''. The admin of ''wiki b'' might not like it, especially if the conversation turns ugly. You could easily end up being banned from ''wiki b'' too. Make it '''''one''''' note. Make it apologetic. Don't swear. Don't accuse. Just say, "I made a mistake. I apologise profusely. Is there any way you could review the block and lower it?" That's it. And remember: ''one'' attempt at communicating with a blocking admin is reasonable. ''Two or more attempts'' can be considered harrassment.|Policy preventing harrassment of admin by blocked users|Help:I'm blocked}}
== Talking dog ==


Firstly, after I promptly responded to your appeal, got a second opinion from another admin and responded with the final decision, you contacted me for the second time, which is explicitly called possible harassment in the provided quote.  
Sorry, my mistake! I'm usually the one leaving messages on these pages so I usually do check. And I'm generally very thorough with doing the mergers as they're a tricky / tedious thing to do, and it's often in the back of my mind that messing up these things are hard to undo. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 13:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)


Secondly, you continued discussing internal Tardis business on another wiki. One of the functions of a block is that you lose your voice in wiki affairs for the duration of the block. Since blocks are not necessary for people who could be persuaded without using force and since you have repeatedly refused to apologise based on extensive explanations provided to you by two admn, the fact that you are not able to participate in current validity debates whenever your posts are classified as personal attacks might finally dissuade you from making such posts.
== Re:Quantum ==


I have spent quite a lot of time reviewing your case and am not planning on spending any more. Further attempts to appeal your block to me or to Shambala108 ''will'' be considered harassment and result in the lengthening of your block. You have been given plenty of opportunities to apologise, as prescribed above, and explicitly refused to do so. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:35, February 15, 2019 (UTC)
Look, I get it. Rationally I know this. But when people start saying stuff like
:the most provocative claims quantum physics makes is that observed objects are affected by that observation [...] importantly, it took not a scientist, but a historian, to realise the implication of that statement. Michel Foucault, a French historian, realised that it if the world was shaped by us, then we could change the world by changing how we thought
it just hits far too close to home to very real mistakes made by academics in the real world. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:(FYI, since I know you're a tumblr user, you might appreciate [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2261286307 this] VOD, since wordpress owns tumblr. Somewhat relevant. Also open source/trademark stuff.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)


== RE: Legibility ==
== Categories being wrongly added/deleted ==


Quite fair! The issue, really, is that I've hardly visited or paid much attention to my user page in the last number of years. It read quite well in the old colour scheme, of course. As soon as I have the free time for it, I'll see about updating. Quite frankly, the text is out of date too. Thanks for the reminder! :){{User:SOTO/sig}} 09:15, May 16, 2019 (UTC)
Hi Scrooge, there's an IP user adding "war criminal" to pages which don't warrant it, and I believe they have been told to not do this previously. Might it be worth a forum topic to discuss only allowing logged in users to add categories, so this doesn't get abused? <font face="Maven Pro" color="#000000">— [[User:Fractal|Fractal]] [[User talk:Fractal|<span title="Talk">•</span>]]</font> 14:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)


== Image policies ==
== Uncategorised Templates ==


Thank you for your inquiry. Your image was deleted because it violated our Tardis image policies. However, your claim that no edit summary was left for the deletion is false. As an admin on another wiki, you must surely know how to read delete summaries. The deleted image you are referring to features one of Tardis preset delete summaries for images, "< 420px width".
Hi Scrooge,


Before uploading any more images, I would request that you familiarise yourself with '''all''' our image policies, including [[Help:Image cheat card]], [[Tardis:Guide to images]] and [[Tardis:Image use policy]]. This will help avoid confusion on your part in the future. Thank you for your attention. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:06, May 16, 2019 (UTC)
Would you be able to add a category to each of the templates currently on [[Special:UncategorizedTemplates]] using <noinclude>, as they're all locked for editing by admins only.


== Page names ==
Thanks, {{User:Gingerfool/Sig}} 22:22, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Please additionally acquaint yourself with [[Tardis:Naming conventions]]. Plural names can only be used if the singular version either does not exist or would mean something else. (Plural names are naturally also used in proper names that are pluralised, as in [[United Nations]].) [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:30, May 16, 2019 (UTC)


: Why would the description "widowed reflections" be a proper name? I fail to follow your reasoning. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:15, May 16, 2019 (UTC)
: Thanks for cleaning it all up :) {{User:Gingerfool/Sig}} 13:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)


:: So your argument is that this nickname, which is used exactly once to finish the phrase "some kind of" and which is never uttered by their creator (who calls them "my flock"),---that this is a proper name. These are most similar to "[[Stingray]]s", voiceless creatures descriptively named by somebody in passing. Unlike "stingrays", however, these distorted reflections do not play a significant role and are not the main antagonist of the story. They require no page of their own and should be mentioned in at most two sentences at [[Mirror Folk]], which itself should be "Mirror folk". [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:49, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
== 2023 ==


== Merges ==
Hi, I'm currently in the middle of trying to update the release date pages so the year and day pages match up. I noticed you reverted several of my edits to [[2023 (releases)]], and I'm curious as to why. [[User:SilverSunbird|SilverSunbird]] [[User talk:SilverSunbird|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
i notice something man with the rosette and the war king they are the same  it is reading in the main aliases page can we not merge to pages {{unsigned|Doctor other}}
: No problem, thanks for clearing that up. [[User:SilverSunbird|SilverSunbird]] [[User talk:SilverSunbird|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)


so s that a yes can you  merge them i dont know how {{unsigned|Doctor other}}
== A wrongly set up section redirect within ns:4 ==


==Clara Oswald edit==
Hello. Your recent redirect move la, [[Tardis:TARDIS]] links not to the section on [[Tardis:Character names]] entitled [[Tardis:Character names#The TARDIS|#''The'' TARDIS]], but just to [[Tardis:Character names#TARDIS|#TARDIS]], which doesn't exist… There's not really an obvious choice of talk page to raise that issue on, so I'm just asking you directly. Thanks. {{unsigned|JSmith5504}}


As explained in the edit rationale, the issue is with your use of the word "heartlessness". You cannot say that she felt sad because the Doctor "was" heartless; we, that is to say the narrative voice of articles, do not make moral judgements on characters. We can say that ''someone though'' the Doctor was heartless; but we cannot speak in absolute terms of "the Doctor's heartlessness". --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:14, June 9, 2019 (UTC)
: As I happened to see this, I corrected it quickly. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|☎]] 15:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)


Why can I not say that she felt sad because the Doctor "was" heartless?
== NOTCOVERED ==
Re [https://tardis.wiki/w/index.php?title=Auteur_and_the_Homeworld_(poem)&curid=321516&diff=3861309&oldid=3861308 your edit] to [[Auteur and the Homeworld (poem)]], could you point out where this has been established? I don't recall the phasing out of [[NOTCOVERED]], only changing from [[NC]] to that. And certainly if there hasn't been a discussion over it [[T:BOUND]] would support its continued usage? {{User:Aquanafrahudy/Sig}} 14:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)


Why do you not make moral judgements on characters?
: Ah, I had thought current practise pointed in the opposite direction for continuity sections too, but it seems I was mistaken. {{User:Aquanafrahudy/Sig}} 14:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)


Why can you not speak in absolute terms of "the Doctor's heartlessness; but you can say that ''someone though'' the Doctor was heartless? [[User:Doctor 25|Doctor 25]] [[User talk:Doctor 25|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:12, June 9, 2019 (UTC)
== Unnecessary category redirects ==


== Re: The Body in Question ==
Hi Scrooge, would you be able to delete [[:Category:4DA Series 9 audio story images]] and [[:Category:The Fourth Doctor Adventures Series 9 audio anthology images]], as they are both unused and unnecessary; only existing because of mistakes whilst moving categories. The source code seems to be locked for them both though, so I can't put a delete tag there myself.


Hi! Per [[User:CzechOut]]'s comments in closing [[Thread:221655]], not every point is going to be addressed by admins when closing a thread. But every point is considered.
Ta, {{User:Gingerfool/Sig}} 13:27, 30 September 2024 (UTC)


[[Tardis:Neutral point of view]] is in reference to writing articles; and we do consider the different media equal when making policy decisions. But the admins have to make sure the wiki is available and accessible to everyone, not just the small number of devoted regular editors but also the far greater (silent) majority of visitors. That's what CzechOut means when he says most visitors to the wiki only care about the tv show. The two ideas are not really in conflict because they are dealing with different issues, the second one being something only the admins have to be concerned with.
:Ah right, sounds fine. Just wanted to make you aware of it ˙ᵕ˙ {{User:Gingerfool/Sig}} 14:59, 3 October 2024 (UTC)


There is a very good reason that we don't consider "mentions" to be indicative of validity (and like I said in my closing statement, there is no occurrence of the word "mention" in [[Tardis:Valid sources]]). Merely mentioning the Doctor or other DWU element does not mean the author meant it to be set in the DWU. The recent LEGO movie mentions the TARDIS by name, but that doesn't mean the movie takes place in the DWU. That's why we prefer statements from the author/publisher/whatever in charge, rather than making assumptions.
== Colour Locking ==


Thanks for reading this long post, [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:18, June 15, 2019 (UTC)
Hi Scrooge,


== Stop acting as an admin ==
Given the ongoing drama with an IP User(s) at [[Green]], could it be worth locking all colour pages to registered users only, to prevent the ongoing edit wars with IP users that are trying to break [[Tardis:Colour spectrum policy]] with their own conjecture?
This is your last warning. You should stop going around telling other users what they should do when they request an admin assistance or ask advice on the wiki policies. "Tales from the Tardis" is clearly marked for admin announcements, not for discussions. If you do not stop acting like an admin of this wiki and do not stop questioning closures of threads by admin that you do not agree with, your editing privileges will be revoked, again. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:13, June 16, 2019 (UTC)


: To demonstrate where else you've been acting from the self-assumed position of authority on this wiki's policies I warned users you attempted to educate that they should not mistake your messages for an authoritative source of information about this wiki. As I stated above, you should stop telling other users what to do and how this wiki operates. Please leave that job for admin. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:51, June 16, 2019 (UTC)
{{User:Gingerfool/Sig}} 15:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)


:: I am very happy that you consider yourself "more experienced" and believe that you answer questions "accurately". However, as your post to "Tales from the Tardis" clearly showed, you can miss things or not be aware of what the actual policy is. But even setting the depth of your knowledge of Tardis policies aside, your preceding interaction with admin of this wiki and your publicly stated attitude towards our policies does not suggest that your will be willing to help other users follow them. Whenever you faced a person who is responsible for enforcing policies, you decried their actions as "[[w:c:community:Thread:1614398|miscarriage of justice]]" insisting either that you know the policies better or that these policies are wrong. You called Tardis policies "even more unworkably draconian than I thought" (ibid), "[[w:c:community:Thread:1614856|unfathomably unfair]]", "a broken system" (ibid), "backwards and restrictive" (ibid). In one of your first posts after returning from a block you [[Special:Diff/2720548|edited your user page]] to state that you do not agree with some of Tardis policies. Given your stated disagreement with the Tardis policies and insistence on doing things your way, from now on I expressly forbid you to advise other users on Tardis policies or help users you consider, as you put it, "confused". I do not expect you to agree with this ruling: you never agreed with admin opinions before. So let me cut to the chase. Further attempts to guide users on policies of this wiki will be considered a violation of [[Tardis:Do not disrupt this wiki to prove a point]] and met with a lengthy ban. This is especially applicable to your suggestion to relax the [[Tardis:No personal attacks]] policy towards allowing more personal attacks. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:07, June 17, 2019 (UTC)
== Re:Muppets ==


== Re: Gender neutrality ==
That comment was more about the DWU-ness of it all. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)


Your thoughts are well noted; I hadn't been aware of the BBC's push in that direction. I'm not sure we can dispense with the phrase "Time Lady" so easily, since the title was applied to [[Romana]] and {{Gomez}} on television as recently as series 9, and I'm pretty sure the phrase "Lady President" has been often used in the ''[[Gallifrey (audio series)|Gallifrey]]'' series. But it's worthwhile to note that the issue may not be as self-evident as it first appeared to me. Thanks for the input. – [[User:NateBumber|N8]] [[User_talk:NateBumber|☎]] 15:39, June 26, 2019 (UTC)
== Re: Coleman likeness ==
:(Actually, ''Gallifrey'' predominantly uses "Madam President" while Romana's in office, and simply "President" while it can still be anyone. Romana does more than occasionally refer to herself as Lord President within the political hierarchy, but generally they go for "President" as the neutral option. They also clearly established [[High Chancellor]] as a preferred term within ''Gallifrey'', over gendered alternatives. I moved Lord Chancellor to this title for that reason.


:As for "Time Lord", it's kind of like "actor" in the real world. Most at this point can agree that actor is gender-neutral, and many agree that the use of actress is antiquated, but its usage isn’t about to slip off the face of the Earth. Same goes for "policewoman", which Yaz still has to continually correct her father on (in favour of police officer). Missy specifically cites being "old-fashioned" for still using the term.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 17:27, June 26, 2019 (UTC))
I'll diplomatically say that the likeness isn't striking. [[User:Jack|Jack]] [[User talk:Jack|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
::Right. Even if there's a variant for women specifically, both "Time Lord" and "Lord President" ''have'' been used as gender-neutral terms. I'm not sure [[Lord Cardinal]] has been used as a gender-neutral term, though, with ''Gallifrey'' usually opting for just "Cardinal" (and the same later applying to [[Ollistra]]). Problem is, of course, [[Cardinal]] also has another meaning in the DWU. I'm not as familiar with other media, though, at least where Gallifreyan politics are concerned, so there may be something I'm missing here.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 19:32, June 26, 2019 (UTC)


== Image ==
== Template:Jennies ==


Hi that article is too short for two pictures '''for now'''. Adding that picture messed up the format and look of the page. If some content is added to the page (it is a stub after all), then the image can go back. Nothing wrong with the picture itself; it hasn't been deleted. thanks [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:20, July 8, 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your input on creating the Template:Jennies navbox. Some of the unnamed pages are not necessarily concrete. I can update them when I get round to making them. One final question, is there anyone who can help the ''Star Cops Wiki'' with their navboxes? I just can't get them to work. I don't understand what the problem is and I'm truly not clever enough to make it work - definitely not clever enough to fiddle with CSS.
:Sure, go ahead. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:27, July 8, 2019 (UTC)


== A worm hello ==
Let me know if anyone can help out over at the ''[https://starcops.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Cops_Wiki Star Cops Wiki]''. I have tried following the lessons over at the Fandom official help articles and they just don't make sense to me. If not, I understand.


Completely unrelated to anything, but it's always cool to see another Worm fan in the wild! :) – [[User:NateBumber|N8]] [[User_talk:NateBumber|☎]] 01:21, August 29, 2019 (UTC)
Matthew / [[User:Thefartydoctor|Thefartydoctor]] [[User talk:Thefartydoctor|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks again for all your help, I've dropped them a message. [[User:Thefartydoctor|Thefartydoctor]] [[User talk:Thefartydoctor|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

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Re: Re: Apology

You'll get no more clarity from me. I ignored you for a reason because you, like always, were going round in circles to get the final word. You are an admin, act like it. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎ 20:24, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

btw

You might want to protect Doctor Who (just because that page probably should be protected) and block the vandal. Najawin ☎ 14:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Admin help

Can I get an admin's eyes on Forum:TV Comic & other periodical issues? I just feel like I've been attacked in a very inappropriate way. OS25🤙☎️ 05:37, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

The Encyclopedia

An example.

Coffa: One of Jabe’s associates from the Forest of Cheem aboard Platform One. He was distressed to hear of Jabe’s death from the Doctor. (1 .2) (Played by PAUL CASEY)

MrThermomanPreacher ☎ 21:11, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Dirk Gently

Hi Scrooge, You said at Talk:The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (series) that you were going to make a thread on Dirk Gently. Do you mind if I make it, as I have a vague idea of how to do it, or do you want to do it? Aquanafrahudy 📢 13:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Okay. Aquanafrahudy 📢 13:17, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Popping in to ask

How's User:Najawin/Sandbox 9's sections (in terms of subsections + pictures? - best to scroll down a bit for best effect) this time? Najawin ☎ 01:59, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Alright, so whenever you think that should go live. (Obviously others can edit whenever they wish. Changes are still desired, especially since there's no S13 summary.) Najawin ☎ 04:16, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
Could you push them live when you have the time? Cheers. Najawin ☎ 18:26, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Companions of the 13th Doctor template action request.

As the Template for the Companions of the 13th Doctor is Locked (for good reasons), and I have suggested adding Different (Canaries)to the template but no one has replied to this (also understandable most people can be very busy). So I am making my pitch to you because on the talk page you have been the only active admin. at the end of The Paradox Moon (short story)Siblijg Different now going by Mae sets of into the universe travelling with the 13th Doctor. May I thus suggest you ad Different to said template, thank you. Anastasia Cousins ☎ 17:24, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Anastasia Cousins ☎ 16:45, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Re: Life on Magrs stuff

Yeah, think you're probably right about Autumnal cat drawings; for a start, I hadn't realised about the fact that it's a different fictionalised version of Bernard Socks, and the Manhattan map shouldn't have been created in the first place. Not sure I agree with you about the Iris Wildthyme in the Post, but I'm iffy on that one. The one written in the style of Story of Fester Cat we should probably keep, and I was iffy about the Rue Broca one, but I think that might pass. What's your opinion on the poems? Aquanafrahudy 📢 20:40, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

But if you read The Story of Fester Cat [+]Loading...["The Story of Fester Cat (novel)"], Fester is quite definitely a defined, rounded character. And the same character pops up in A Year Since and arguably in Fester Cat's poem. And surely that tangible character is copyrightable. (Also, Party Like it's 1979 [+]Loading...["Party Like it's 1979 (short story)"] certainly seems to suggest that certain fictional versions of characters reappearing are enough to satisfy rule 2) (can't comment on Bernard Socks, as I haven't read Welcome Home) Aquanafrahudy 📢 20:57, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Well, it has Fester speaking from a posthumous position, which he is able to in Story of Fester Cat, and it also more or less follows on from the end of Story of Fester Cat I think (but I'm not sure because a) I'm only halfway through the book and b) the book isn't linear). Aquanafrahudy 📢 21:06, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Come to think of it, do you think a dead anthropomorphic Fester Cat would be copyrightable? Aquanafrahudy 📢 21:12, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

The Curator returns

Hey. Finally back again. More stories for you, of course. Massive things. But first: Discord.

I've sent a friend request from a new account (Phoenix). We'll catch up there as soon as we're both online at the same time. (Internet access is still very much on the wibbly side.)

Mind adding me back to the channel, as well? Love from the Island.
×   SOTO contribs ×°/↯/•]   💬•| {/-//:   20:05, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Moving N-Space to "Primary universe"

I was reading a wiki page here a few days ago, and saw it refer to what has been typically called N-Space as a default term for the universe the Doctor Who franchise is set within as the "Primary universe", and I though that would be a good name that would put the "N-Space naming controversy" to rest. Unfortunately, I've forgotten in what story it was referred to as such, and can't citate the reference. I wanted to ask if you thought "Primary universe" would also make a good difference, and if you might know how to find the source? BananaClownMan ☎ 10:07, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Truth be told, I wish we could call it "The Doctor's universe" too, but, thanks to one Christopher Chibnall, to call it that would no longer be accurate, since he went out of his way to make it not the Doctor's universe, but their adopted one. I wonder why we can't just title the page "The Universe", like how Luna is titled the Moon or Sol is titled the Sun?BananaClownMan ☎ 17:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

I get what your going with, but I'm afraid I'm too literal minded to accept it. Oh, and sorry about the galleries width. I didn't know it was a rule, I just thought it was picked at random. BananaClownMan ☎ 09:26, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Re: And Today, You series

Okay, thanks. Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 12:45, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, didn't notice that. Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 06:53, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

T:POINT

Just out of interest, would a NuWho exclusion debate on my part be against T:POINT? Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 14:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I mean, personally, I interpreted those statements literally, and the point would have been that ordinary rule 4 apparently invalidates what most people are interested in us about. Probably still T:POINT violation, though. Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 14:35, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Citesource problem

I feel now is a good time to bring up the problem with the citesource template, if it is indeed preventing story titles from italicising just because they are untitled, which violates a policy I can't remember on how all story names' need to be italicised. Furthur more, is there anything that came be done with hyperlinks such as, (COMIC: Endgame (part four)), for example. The brackets within brackets just doesn't jive well. I remember talking about this grievance in a forum, but the forum has not been updates for a while now. BananaClownMan ☎ 09:30, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry

I figured since some sources are mentioned multiple times, we only need to specify the medium once. But I suppose you're right that context is necessary. Please accept my sincere apology. BastianBalthazarBux ☎ 15:26, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Definite article

Hi, Scrooge. I was just wondering what the current policy is on using the definite article in page names.

Specifically, I'm wondering if the likes of White Guardian and Black Guardian need to be moved to The White Guardian and The Black Guardian to comply with current policy and when pages for non-individuals need the definite article. For instance, why does The Dragon Scriptures have it when we don't have The Time Vortex or The Scrolls of Gallifrey? Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 21:50, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Okie doke, thanks for that. I haven't been keeping my eye on the forums and just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed something. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 22:51, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes

Good evening.

I was hoping to find some clarity regarding why continuity sections were being remade from an out-of-universe perspective, when they are reference in-universe events. I had contacted the main advocate of the edits, User:Epsilon the Eternal, and they pointed me in your direction by supplying me with this quote from Forum:Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes;

Going forward, an out-of-universe perspective should be favoured in all continuity sections if possible. This is a big ask, and although it's an ideal to trend towards I will not demand that we pull out all stops making valid stories' sections conform to this. However, given that we're going to be creating Continuity sections when none existed, I can and will ask that all continuity sections on invalid pages, and "continuity to non-valid sources" sections on valid or invalid pages, be written from an out-of-universe perspective. I think that ought to solve Czech's issue, to whatever extent it may have otherwise been a concern.@Scrooge MacDuck, Forum:Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes

Readying this, I am given the impression that only stories marked as in-valid are to have out-of-universe written summaries, and that valid stories are to retain an in-universe summery. Am I correct in that assumption?

Thank you for your time, Sincerely, BananaClownMan ☎ 20:04, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Recent edits

I'm coming to you directly to prevent any unneeded unpleasantness from happening, like you thinking I'm a vandal and blocking me over an honest misunderstanding.

I promise you I am not removing information, except the occasional titbits that are either incorrect or unrelated the the article. At worse, I'm just rewording some sentences to get more direct to the point and "trimming the fat", to coin a phrase, to avoid repetition. My main goal is to update the articles now that I have full access to the source material as part of my research into the Fourteenth Doctor's character in preparation for upcoming 2023 specials. Believe me, I dislike it when users delete information, too.

I hope to settles any trouble that has been caused. Sincrely, BananaClownMan ☎ 22:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh the removal of Whotopia: The Ultimate Guide to the Whoniverse was no accident, for two reasons. 1) It says "appears" and "imply", which means it is speculative and speculation has always been taboo on this wiki. 2) It dabbles in timelines, which have long been relegated to theory forums unless absolutely needed, in conjunction with the taboo against speculation. These points, plus its evident irrelevance to the short story itself, are why I took the initiative and removed it. BananaClownMan ☎ 00:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Editors shouldn't have to explain every edit they make, otherwise the wiki wouldn't feel like a safe place for contribution. I'll have been editing for 10 years next June, and we've done fine with some good faith and talking it out if there's a disagreement. BananaClownMan ☎ 00:26, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Would it be possible to get a link to a list of these policies? Because everyone's been coming out the woodworks lately throwing words like T:NPOV, BOUND and "by policy" at me, and I have no idea what they're talking about half the time. I'm just trying to edit like I always have, and seems I'm out of the loop on certain updates. BananaClownMan ☎ 00:36, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Forum:Clarifying in-universe deadnaming policy in response to Rose Noble

Hello. I am sorry for bothering you about this but I would like you to take a look at Forum:Clarifying in-universe deadnaming policy in response to Rose Noble as I feel that anonymous user 51.191.137.161 is skirting a bit to close to transphobia. (I am not saying they are but as a trans person I feel they are on the very edge of it) I would like you to at least step in and remained everyone to stay civil and polite. But due to the anonymous user having no prior contributions before this forum I feel that they really just arrived here specifically to add to this forum. Not to mention their constant accusations of that trans people are trying to make themselves the centre of the world which to me feels very very close to Transphobia and has made me rather uncomfortable. I added my views on the subject and soon after they immediately accused me of calling them cis and and said that is it foolish of me to think that trans people know more about being trans than cis people. I had not accused them of being cis. I was not even referring to anyone in particular. As well as arguing for real world people to have their deadnames on this wiki which I believe would be in breach of fandom policy. Now I will leave it up to you to decide what to do but please at the very least just step in and make sure everyone is playing nicely. and if I am in the wrong at any point in this please do inform. Anastasia Cousins ☎ 21:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Peri

Hi, Scrooge. I'm a little confused. Is there no limit to the length a story's coverage can be on a character's page anymore? Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 23:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

I extended it from three sentences to five before you reverted it. The biography as it is now doesn't actually integrate anything from other sources beyond two insights into Peri's thoughts and feelings from the novelisation. I don't really see the value in detailing absolutely everything she does in that one story and think the important things can easily be trimmed down by several hundred words.
Upon arriving on Thoros-Beta, Peri and the Doctor were attacked by the Raak and captured by Kiv's men, but they managed to escape with Yrcanos after Crozier attempted to interrogate him to learn what provoked the Raak. The Doctor began behaving oddly and betrayed his friends to Sil, leading Peri, Yrcanos and Dorf to stir up rebellion amongst the Thoros-Alphans until they were stunned by Frax and imprisoned.
Peri was chosen by Crozier to become the host for Kiv's brainwaves. Assisted by Matrona Kani, he experimented upon her, resulting in her mind being erased and Kiv taking control of her body. To prevent Crozier's discovery from making Kiv immortal and affecting evolution across the universe, the High Council used Yrcanos as an unwitting assassin to kill Kiv by destroying Peri's body with a CD phaser soon after the successful transfer. (TV: Mindwarp [+]Loading...["Mindwarp (TV story)"])
If that's not enough, I'm really going to have to go over everything I've written on her page, which I've limited to the key parts of her involvement in stories rather than complete walkthroughs. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 23:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
In which case, I'll aim for that much. At its current length, it's a bit indigestible. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 23:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

About spoilers

Just a double check. As it currently stands, I presume the policy on T:SPOIL ALLOW means spoilers are disallowed on any talk page outside of those limited examples right? Does it mean stuff in the Tardis talk: namespace, for instance? -- Tybort (talk page) 16:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Alright, but what I said before appears to also apply to the caveats in T:OFFICIAL INFO, too. -- Tybort (talk page) 17:26, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Bulgaria school murder

Hi, Scrooge. Got a familiar bit of spam at this page and its talk page. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 13:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Cite source template clarification needed

Hello Scrooge. Hope all has been well. Congrats on being a staff by the way! Great to see you are still around ^_^ Was hoping you could help me clarify a matter.

Given Doctor Who was off air for about a year, I have come back to find there is this new “cite source” template used on TARDIS for citing stories as we have always done here with in-line citations and so forth. However, while editing, I have noticed there is inconsistency in which style is used among various editors and also within articles on the wiki. For example, in the same section “cite source” is used for one story but the next it is the classic “TV: Story” style.

I checked the policy pages but am struggling to find the new “cite source” one; the T:CITE one still commands the usage of the classic style. Therefore, I thought it best to ask you which one we are meant to be using or if we are indeed using all three variations but it depends on the circumstances (in-universe or out-universe, real world articles or character articles). Can you help provide some clarification?

I look forward to hearing your reply! Snivy ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦ 22:16, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Ahhh, okay then! So I do use it and where I see someone is using the old style or where the old style is still on the article, I should convert it to the new “cite source” one in all cases (regardless of the article)? Snivy ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦ 22:39, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Great! The wider editing base is aware of this change yes? Some editors appear to keep reverting my changes regarding this style; edit warring risks occurring it seems if editors aren’t aware and I keep having to change them back to the “cite source” style - loads more work too. Snivy ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦ 17:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Executive decisions

When you've the time, Talk:Disney+ (in-universe) and Talk:Wild Blue Yonder (TV story) have stalled out discussion (imo) and could use an admin to make final calls on their topics. Najawin ☎ 23:08, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Page deletion

If you've the time, From the Doctor to My Son Thomas is just fundamentally flawed and should be deleted. It's blatantly plagiarized from wikipedia. Najawin ☎ 20:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Also, if you (or any admin who's online and reading talk pages) could have a look at Isaac Newton when you've the chance. The original IP user who accused me of violating T:NPOV is back and is vandalizing (#6) the page after Nate's ruling, refusing to accept it or move to the talk page. Blocking them and/or locking the page might be needed. (I'm removing myself as it's probably bordering on T:NO WARS here, even if it's technically vandalism.) Najawin ☎ 00:29, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Re:R4bp

As far as that thread goes, I'm perfectly willing to call that thread unresolved and start over, perhaps with a more narrow scope, or with a more structured framework for how to proceed. It's been two months just about since the last bit of movement there, and I'd have to reread the whole thing if there was a new response anyhow.

I do think there was some interesting lines of thought that we were working on, but the thread just became so long that there were, what, four, five of us who were engaged at the end? And those who tapped out earlier on missed out on just large swathes of that discussion. It seems a bit unreasonable for, in effect, four or five users to be having a discussion that's this foundational and everyone else to be filibustered out. But at the same time the issues at play are complicated and do require a lot of discussion. So there's just not a super clear answer here imo.

But I'd be willing to trust a third party admin, say Nate or Bongo, to call it unresolved and then open up a new thread with a more narrow scope or with specific rules of engagement (at least to begin with - something like analyzing Web Theory in particular in one thread, not discussing any other issues, or perhaps discussing how we deal with Roland Rat-esque situations and daisy chaining more broadly, etc etc) if you are. Najawin ☎ 18:20, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

That's fair enough, no worries. And I did have some idea as to what you've been so busy with, given the shiny new site and all. Najawin ☎ 19:38, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

User report.

Hello there. I suspect that user TheSuperMarioBros2023 is a sockpuppet account of Hulksmashtheworld/Theincrediblehulk2003/The Worldbreaker Hulk/Hulkbreaktheworld. That's all for now. --AzureKesil ☎ 09:46, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

RE: Missing thread

Ahh, I see. So the intention is simply transfer it to the Biography sub page, then just trim it down to roughly 3 sentences. In that case, it sounds relatively simple - it's less a complete rewrite or the article and simply just trimming it down a ton, with the original kept as a first draft to draw upon. Thank you for the addition! Snivy ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦ 11:35, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Re:Templates and adaptions

I respectfully disagree. The "villain templates" are just for readers to get a quick look at which stories to look into to see where their favourite antagonists show up, hence we had that whole "when is a Dalek story a Dalek story and not just a story with the Daleks" debate a few years back. It's why the complete list of appearances is tagged on the bottom for a more deep dive into it.

What confuses me here is why there are now two editors adding The Giggle to the Toymaker's media box and not his first novelised story The Celestial Toymaker. And that's not even going into the bigger picture of then adding all adaptations to the other templates for consistency. Where would they go then? Would they get their own "Novelisations" group or be lumped in "Prose stories"? If the latter, how will we tell adapoted stories from original prose adventures? If the former, it will repentant because it's just repeating the TV stories in potentially anachronistic order.

Food for thought, BananaClownMan ☎ 14:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I meant the novelisations would be anachronistic in comparison to the their television originals, since the books were released at their own pace. For example, the Cybermen first appeared in novel form in the novelisation of The Moonbase, their second television serial. BananaClownMan ☎ 14:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

That is what I am trying to say. I'm just also noting that new editors unaware of the feature will most likely put them in episode order as opposed to release order, or reorganise them thinking they've been incorrectly placed due to being in the dark about the release order of the novelisations. It's just something to put into consideration if novelisations are to get their own group on character story templates. 14:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Pxrn uploads/vandalism

Looks like someone's bored and uploading inappropriate images here. — Fractal Doctor @ 20:35, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Master edits reply

Salutations. I wish to reply to you message on my talk page concerning my... "redrafts" of the Master pages, and hopefully clear up some confusion that seems to have taken place. Starting with the fact that I never intended my edits to come across as a redrafting of the articles. I started out updating them with some undocumented information, which I had intended to do when they were first individualised but never found the time before, and then took a closer look beforehand to see if there were anything else that needed editing.

Now, this cite source removal you mention. If you are referring to story links, you have me at a loss, since I actually went to great effort to avoid pasting over them when I was transferring updates from my Sandbox. But, if you are talking about the hyperlinks to the Master pages, like Delgado for the Master, I think there's been a misunderstanding on the intention. As I am sure you remember, we used to use those hyperlinks when Time Lord incarnations were on a single page to link the appropriate incarnation to the source. I even remember inventing some of them myself for this reason for the Rani and the Monk. Since incarnations now have their own page, I was simply cutting out the middle man when I could and just linking to the page the traditional way, like with the Tremas Master for example.

As for the this accusation, for lack of a better word, of removing information and my edits being "thoroughly out of order" and "wthout any clear justification", I'm afraid I must take umbrage with that. I'll tackle your comment from the Bruce Master about his bullet point on the "Echo" Master being moved to the Decayed Master first. Simply put, the "Echo" Master's bullet point was moved to the Decayed Master's page was because the information concerning the bullet point was on the Decayed Master's character profile, so it felt more appropriate to have the bullet point there for consistency.

Indeed, as I have said before, I too dislike when information is removed from an article, but sometimes bits have to be removed to avoid repetitiveness; why repeat the spirit of the same sentence when it can all be covered together in a paragraph?

As for your feedback mentioning some good being added that had to be reverted, in that you are correct, as many spelling and grammatical mistakes I fixed have been readded to the main article. For example, several "days to come" section are now covering the post-regenerations, again for lack of a proper term, instead of hints to the future heard from the past, or have been removed all together, and paragraphs are now starting behind images instead of underneath. As well as several valid updates to their psychological profiles, and the puzzling inclusion to the The Timeless Child citation on "References" to the source of the clips the Masters hail from, and the equally questionable removal of The Master's aliases from the character infobox. These reversions make me question why my edits were deemed "destructive", when, by all apparent accounts, they produced more positive updates than negative?

Now to clear up with I believe if the biggest misunderstand about this affair concerning my Sandboxes for the Master. I originally created them because the Master's incarnations were not individualised and comprised to a single page, which was hard to edit due to the sheer size, so I created the Sandbox pages to have a better editing space before moving the new information to the main page. Once the main page was separated into individual pages, the Sandboxes were no longer of any use, so I stopped editing them. I've only just now found the time to start transferring the information I never got round to adding to the main page over. I had actually thinking about putting some of the more redundant Sanboxes up for deletion once I had transferred the appropriate edits, only keeping the ones that delved into "head cannon", but I needed to sleep, so I stopped at the Saxon Master and planned to continue with Missy and the Spy Master before I started proposing deletions at a later date. So, as I hope I have explained, I do not intend to have my Sandboxes replace the main pages. I was just using them because they were easier to edit at the time.

For a final note, I'd like to tackle how you called my edits "unjustified". But, "unjustified" in what way? Do I have to write an explanation for every edits I make? Does that not go against good faith editing and my rights as a user to edit articles if I feel they need updating, and then justifying my actions when I revert an edit or restore my reverted contributions? What I'm trying to say is that I'd like more constructive feedback on this topic.

I hope you found this reply enlightening and satisfactory, Sincerely, BananaClownMan ☎ 19:22, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

With the image files, it's not really a policy. Images are just generally slotted between paragraphs. But, for some reason, editors are adding them to the beginning of the paragraphs, making it hard to tell when the image ends and the sentences begin.

I'm afraid I must disagree with your assertion that "Aliases of the Master" only applies to incarnations with multiple aliases. User:Epsilon the Eternal added Aliases of the Doctor to the Fifteenth Doctor to cover one nickname, and I believe the Masters' pages should follow a similar principle, if for no other reason than preparation for aliases future works will give them.

Truth be told, I've forgotten where "Backstory" came from. I think I just misread the "Origin" subheading on the Lumiat without noticing.

Am I right in understanding that the main problem with my edits is that I didn't fill in the edit description? If so I must apologies for this. You see, I have a communicational disability that can make getting my points across clear, so I usually only fill in the description box when it's completely necessary. The rest of the time, I just assume readers will see what my edits are and come to same conclusion I had for making them. I hope that helps you understand my actions regarding leaving them blank.

Sincerely, BananaClownMan ☎ 02:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I have some confusion on this biography reorganisation point I would like to cover before I start penning my full reply. Am I wrong in that you recently reorganised the Toymaker's timelined biography without a talkpage debate or even an explanation in the edit description box? It's just really confusing for me at the moment to read one while another is apparently being practised. BananaClownMan ☎ 02:53, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

QA

Honestly this looks so bad I think it might merit going to Czech and asking him to talk to the team involved before this is UCP 2.0. The mandatory 3 answers per page is, frankly, surreal.

As far as email goes, still the same hangups. At least in part because my email accounts involve my actual name and creating new ones is such a hassle these days. (Why do you need my phone # for verification? I don't want you to have that.) In absolutely, entirely, completely unrelated news, were you aware that a friend of mine and DAVIS's did a recent review on Alien Bodies on yt? Completely unrelated of course. Najawin ☎ 21:29, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Well, it's a very isolated place with very few prying eyes and everything is, importantly, deletable.
It's just a hangup for me. Past trauma. Maybe in a year or three. We can hope. Nothing personal, I promise, and I am working on it with a therapist. Najawin ☎ 22:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
I truly don't believe having an account there would be psychologically healthy for me. Addictive personalities run in my family and I've had bad experiences with social media usage in the past. While TBCotW was ongoing I noticed some bad behavior on my part without having an account and merely reading what others wrote. Only being able to interact as a guest places a rather large buffer there. Just. I'm fine finding out when everyone else does. I just wanted to make sure it was on people's radar as the problem I think it is. Najawin ☎ 23:14, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
(Ugh. Gah. I'll think about it. I do have a twitch, under a slightly different username, if you've one. I don't use whispers much on there, but given I technically already have it, you know.)
That's roughly my thoughts on the subject as well, but I brought up similar objections on their last blogpost about it and they just brushed them aside, saying that individual questions could be deleted so there'd be no problem. I think it's a UCP problem all over again, they're starting with small wikis and scaling up, so haven't thought about the unique problems that large wikis present. Najawin ☎ 23:49, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
'This user has turned on "Block Whispers from Strangers" in their privacy settings and must start a conversation with you first.' Najawin ☎ 00:19, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism

Didn't take long for a vandal to come along. User 172.70.90.79 is posting inappropriate vandalism on the Thirteenth Doctor and other pages. Same goes for 172.71.134.112. FractalDoctor ☎ 00:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Nice of them to allow the testing of the block feature. I guess it was sadly to be expected that we'd get some vandals since the new URL has been widely promoted on social media (and one platform in particular). Sigh. Thanks for the blocks though. You admins are great :) FractalDoctor ☎ 00:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Block bug?

Morning Scrooge. I woke up earlier to find I was seemingly blocked until August 2024 for "vandalism" - however I have been editing both versions of the Wiki for years now and I'm not sure what happened? I have since refreshed a few times and now I am able to edit pages again. Just flagging it up - is it a bug? (Also, I did notice that when I was blocked it was impossible to get in touch with an admin on site, as it prevented me from adding to / editing Talk pages too. Is there a workaround for such cases?) Hopefully it was a weird glitch in the Matrix! — Fractal Doctor • 09:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Twitch

Oh that's a bother. From googling it seems like this is something they toggle from time to time. And yeah, I saw OS12 migrated over after I asked that. Najawin ☎ 01:17, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Hey, about the thing we discussed earlier, what's your math background? I'll start with a rough outline based on that and figure out how I'll get it to you. Najawin ☎ 22:37, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Block

Hi. I've just found I've seemingly been blocked until 26 August. The notice gives the reason of vandalism and states the block started 26 Feb (which I know is incorrect as I was editing earlier today). Guessing it's some kind of bug. I've noticed User:FractalDoctor posted something on your talk page recently and it looks to be a similar issue. I'll keep refreshing as they did and see if that solves it. Thanks. 66 Seconds ☎ 20:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I had this on my first day here, then again the other day. A few refreshes resolved it. I also flagged it up here: https://tardis.wiki/wiki/Forum:General_Discussion_of_the_Fork#Bugs/fixes/etc. × Fractal • 21:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
What's especially odd is that, looking at Special:BlockList, no one was blocked on that date, so it's not even that you're getting assigned someone else's block.
×   SOTO contribs ×°/↯/•]   💬•| {/-//:   21:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Re:SB

No, that's what everyone thought at first! But then in the airlock scene we went entirely the other way. That the episode seems nominally pro choice, but the underlying ethos it's asking us to adopt is simply pro life + pro welfare. (Treating the bogeyman as identical to the others, saying you save them all, etc etc.) Again, don't think this was intentional. I think it was Davies using iconography without a ton of care, being sloppy, and getting this result. Najawin ☎ 00:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I simply disagree, if you're going to invoke that analogy, and then compare the villain to the harmless, helpless, babies in this way, and use this as justification for saving them, I think that's going to inevitably stir up the metaphor again. Perhaps, however, this is influenced by the fact that when the parthenogenesis machine did the analysis for the composition on the bogey monster our immediate guess was unfinished, uncompleted babies rather than snot. (Frankly I didn't think RtD would be so juvenile on the opener. Ah, to be so optimistic as myself only 4 days ago.) So that might have colored how we read the airlock scene. Najawin ☎ 01:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Did you?

Did you really do that just to get back at him for saying we were all coping? (I already made him read the The Cosmology of the Spiral Politic (feature) article, he's just being stubborn.) Najawin ☎ 03:34, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Well that certainly answers my question, but I was thinking of T-Time, in light of the discussion this past week with SB Audio and the nature of Time Lords/the Doctor. Najawin ☎ 03:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

FP forum

Just refreshed it after the new episode for, uh, obvious reasons. If you have admin perms you might want to check in, someone posted some spam in the last day. Cheers. Najawin ☎ 02:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Topical Pages

Might it be worth adding Sutekh to the list of topical pages? — Fractal • 13:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

IP user removing delete tags

So the IP user who's been doing all the colour/clothing/pattern edits lately I've noticed has been removing {{merge}} and {{delete}} instances on a few pages (Baldric and Celadon (colour) being the latest examples I've noticed). I'm not sure if there's much that can be done but I thought it should be brought to an admin's attention. - CodeAndGin | 🗨 | 19:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Passing on a recommendation

Ah. So, I came across a book that's currently on sale on Amazon, rather massively so. Since it seems to be relatively well written on a topic we've discussed before, and is a history written in a way I thought you might appreciate, I figured I'd pass it along. Even if it is, well, Amazon. Najawin ☎ 02:55, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

IP editor removing deletion tags and reverting edits

Hello, Scrooge. I think admin attention is needed with regard to the IP user's 2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:B548:8648:AF80:33B0 edits.

They have been repeatedly reverting the removal of categories for "human war criminals" and "human war heroes" from several articles. Other editors and I had been removing them as in most of these cases there are no sources referring to them as such, and the IP editor's edit summaries only seem to be opinion based. There was a discussion on this on at Category talk:Human war criminals, as a lot of the articles added appeared to be T:NO RW violations. They have also continually removed the deletion tags from "human war heroes" and "war heroes", two categories which they created. I have reverted their edits twice and have attempted to direct them to talk pages, but they have ignored this. Unfortunately, this isn't the first time they've done this. BlueSupergiant ☎ 23:03, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

They're back again, as 2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:F8C3:883:E4A8:3972 this time, doing the same sort of overcat-ing and removal of delete tags. I am wholly convinced they are the same editor as from yesterday, and from my post a couple weeks ago (also the IP always has the same 4 numbers at the start: "2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01", which when taking their editing habits and writing style into account makes me fairly sure it's the same user). - CodeAndGin | 🗨 | 01:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
"2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:1BA:2728:183E:9D51" this time (at least the most recent one; there have been 3 different IPs with the same beginning numbers and editing patterns today; I don't believe they're switching IPs to circumvent the blocks, just that they have a dynamic one, which unfortunately makes tracking their edits a Sisyphean task) - CodeAndGin | 🗨 | 12:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Re: Notes

Oh! Well, in that case, my bad. @Tsumioni made me realise we have a large inconsistency, as 90% of pages still have "Story notes". Thanks for clearing that up. I've also left a note on @Tsumioni's talk page. — Fractal • 00:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Talking dog

Sorry, my mistake! I'm usually the one leaving messages on these pages so I usually do check. And I'm generally very thorough with doing the mergers as they're a tricky / tedious thing to do, and it's often in the back of my mind that messing up these things are hard to undo. --Tangerineduel / talk 13:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Re:Quantum

Look, I get it. Rationally I know this. But when people start saying stuff like

the most provocative claims quantum physics makes is that observed objects are affected by that observation [...] importantly, it took not a scientist, but a historian, to realise the implication of that statement. Michel Foucault, a French historian, realised that it if the world was shaped by us, then we could change the world by changing how we thought

it just hits far too close to home to very real mistakes made by academics in the real world. Najawin ☎ 18:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

(FYI, since I know you're a tumblr user, you might appreciate this VOD, since wordpress owns tumblr. Somewhat relevant. Also open source/trademark stuff.) Najawin ☎ 02:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Categories being wrongly added/deleted

Hi Scrooge, there's an IP user adding "war criminal" to pages which don't warrant it, and I believe they have been told to not do this previously. Might it be worth a forum topic to discuss only allowing logged in users to add categories, so this doesn't get abused? — Fractal • 14:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Uncategorised Templates

Hi Scrooge,

Would you be able to add a category to each of the templates currently on Special:UncategorizedTemplates using , as they're all locked for editing by admins only.

Thanks, SID'gingerfool'RAT - ☎🔎 |📂|📝 22:22, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning it all up :) SID'gingerfool'RAT - ☎🔎 |📂|📝 13:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

2023

Hi, I'm currently in the middle of trying to update the release date pages so the year and day pages match up. I noticed you reverted several of my edits to 2023 (releases), and I'm curious as to why. SilverSunbird ☎ 23:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for clearing that up. SilverSunbird ☎ 23:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

A wrongly set up section redirect within ns:4

Hello. Your recent redirect move la, Tardis:TARDIS links not to the section on Tardis:Character names entitled #The TARDIS, but just to #TARDIS, which doesn't exist… There's not really an obvious choice of talk page to raise that issue on, so I'm just asking you directly. Thanks. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by JSmith5504 (talk • contribs) .

As I happened to see this, I corrected it quickly. Bongo50 ☎ 15:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

NOTCOVERED

Re your edit to Auteur and the Homeworld (poem), could you point out where this has been established? I don't recall the phasing out of NOTCOVERED, only changing from NC to that. And certainly if there hasn't been a discussion over it T:BOUND would support its continued usage? Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 14:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I had thought current practise pointed in the opposite direction for continuity sections too, but it seems I was mistaken. Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 14:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Unnecessary category redirects

Hi Scrooge, would you be able to delete Category:4DA Series 9 audio story images and Category:The Fourth Doctor Adventures Series 9 audio anthology images, as they are both unused and unnecessary; only existing because of mistakes whilst moving categories. The source code seems to be locked for them both though, so I can't put a delete tag there myself.

Ta, SID'gingerfool'RAT - ☎🔎 |📂|📝 13:27, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah right, sounds fine. Just wanted to make you aware of it ˙ᵕ˙ SID'gingerfool'RAT - ☎🔎 |📂|📝 14:59, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Colour Locking

Hi Scrooge,

Given the ongoing drama with an IP User(s) at Green, could it be worth locking all colour pages to registered users only, to prevent the ongoing edit wars with IP users that are trying to break Tardis:Colour spectrum policy with their own conjecture?

SID'gingerfool'RAT - ☎🔎 |📂|📝 15:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Re:Muppets

That comment was more about the DWU-ness of it all. Najawin ☎ 00:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Re: Coleman likeness

I'll diplomatically say that the likeness isn't striking. Jack ☎ 13:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Template:Jennies

Thanks for your input on creating the Template:Jennies navbox. Some of the unnamed pages are not necessarily concrete. I can update them when I get round to making them. One final question, is there anyone who can help the Star Cops Wiki with their navboxes? I just can't get them to work. I don't understand what the problem is and I'm truly not clever enough to make it work - definitely not clever enough to fiddle with CSS.

Let me know if anyone can help out over at the Star Cops Wiki. I have tried following the lessons over at the Fandom official help articles and they just don't make sense to me. If not, I understand.

Matthew / Thefartydoctor ☎ 17:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks again for all your help, I've dropped them a message. Thefartydoctor ☎ 18:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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