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== Re: Re: Apology ==
You'll get no more clarity from me. I ignored you for a reason because you, like always, were going round in circles to get the final word. You are an admin, act like it. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:24, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


== LEGO Dimensions ==
== btw ==


I had read those threads, though not in a while. What I meant was the fact that nearly every other franchise in LEGO Dimensions (if not all of them) are not set in their respective universes, which inclines me to think that ''Doctor Who'' isn't either— but it still could be. There also was [https://www.wired.com/2015/09/lego-dimensions-2/ this article] with a quote from the developer that implies LEGO Gandalf believes he is ''the'' Gandalf even though he isn't. But anyways, thinking about it more it's not clear if this even applies to ''[[Supergirl Meets E.T. (webcast)|Supergirl Meets E.T.]]'', which I think was the point of the change in policy (although I'm not sure where that was, was it lost in the botched forums transition?) [[User:Chubby Potato|Chubby Potato]] [[User talk:Chubby Potato|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:38, October 22, 2020 (UTC)
You might want to protect [[Doctor Who]] (just because that page probably should be protected) and block the vandal. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


== Re: Please ask around ==
== Admin help ==
To be honest I am slightly confused, I didn't bring anything onto this Wikia. I simply linked the [[Selachian]] page to the [[The Concept of War (novel)|story page]] that already existed. The information was already on the Selachian page, but neglecting a link. [[User:PoolsideJazz|PoolsideJazz]] [[User talk:PoolsideJazz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:57, October 27, 2020 (UTC)
: I still think that I was correct in my assessment of ''Winter's View''. The story features reference to the [[Miranda Dawkins|Empress of the Needle]] as well as [[Loom|Looms]]. Two of the main characters are intended to be [[Time Lords]] by the author (described as [[Chronarch|Chronarchs]] and later "Lords") and there is also a reference to [[The Enemy]]. [[User:PoolsideJazz|PoolsideJazz]] [[User talk:PoolsideJazz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:50, October 27, 2020 (UTC)
: They had the license to use Miranda two stories later, from the same release, so I think it goes without saying that they had a license to reference her earlier. [[User:PoolsideJazz|PoolsideJazz]] [[User talk:PoolsideJazz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:08, October 27, 2020 (UTC)


== IP Vandal ==
Can I get an admin's eyes on [[Forum:TV Comic & other periodical issues]]? I just feel like I've been attacked in a very inappropriate way. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 05:37, 22 September 2023 (UTC)


An IP named [[Special:Contributions/1.52.47.91|1.52.47.91]] has vandalized the [[Laws of Time]] article (one edit being racism). Can you please block that IP?
== The Encyclopedia ==


Cheers! --<font face="Rubik">[[User:Jamie248|<span style="color:orange;font-weight:bold">Jamie248</span>]] [ [[User talk:Jamie248|<span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold">T</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jamie248|<span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">C</span>]] • [[Special:Editcount/Jamie248|<span style="color:green;font-weight:bold">E</span>]] • [[w:User:Jamie248/Guestbook|📝]] ] <span style="color:purple;font-weight:bold;font-size:100%;">14:59, October 27, 2020 (UTC)</span></font>
An example.
:''Coffa: One of Jabe’s associates from the Forest of Cheem aboard Platform One. He was distressed to hear of Jabe’s death from the Doctor. (1 .2) (Played by PAUL CASEY)''
[[User:MrThermomanPreacher|MrThermomanPreacher]] [[User talk:MrThermomanPreacher|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 21:11, 22 September 2023 (UTC)


== DiS drama ==
==Dirk Gently==
Hi Scrooge,
You said at [[Talk:The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (series)]] that you were going to make a thread on Dirk Gently. Do you mind if I make it, as I have a vague idea of how to do it, or do you want to do it? [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]]  13:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 
: Okay. [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]]  13:17, 24 September 2023 (UTC)


We both left messages on the Scrooge McDuck wikia, (I at least since you said that's where you preferred to be reached for non TARDIS stuff). [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:47, October 28, 2020 (UTC)
== Popping in to ask ==
:Topical heading, different drama. Looking at the block log around the same time it seems to be a suggestion that [[User:Tazmin]], [[User:TazminDaytime]], and [[User:DiSoRiEnTeD1]] were all the same person. (Not that I'm aware which account violated [[T:NPA]] to get Czech involved, or how he made this determination, but that seems to be the claim.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:40, 25 November 2020 (UTC)


== Lockdown!: The Gift That Keeps on Giving ==
How's [[User:Najawin/Sandbox 9]]'s sections (in terms of subsections + pictures? - best to scroll down a bit for best effect) this time? [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:59, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
:Alright, so whenever you think that should go live. (Obviously others can edit whenever they wish. Changes are still desired, especially since there's no S13 summary.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:16, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
::Could you push them live when you have the time? Cheers. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:26, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


Your proposal as stated at [[Talk:Doctor Who: Lockdown!]] sort of threads the needle in a weird way, stating both that we cover it like the Fan Show, while also explicitly stating
== Companions of the 13th Doctor template action request. ==
:However, I see no reason not to have a page about it as a "(documentary)".
Whereas the Fan Show has a webcast dab term. And our discussion had morphed into "should a collection of ontological primitives be counted as a documentary", so, fair point that there's some nuance, but I can only say so much in an edit summary, and I felt what I said reflected where the discussion had left off, even if it, again, never really resolved itself. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:09, October 29, 2020 (UTC)


== SpookyUCP ==
As the Template for the Companions of the 13th Doctor is Locked (for good reasons), and I have suggested adding [[Different (Canaries)]]to the template but no one has replied to this (also understandable most people can be very busy). So I am making my pitch to you because on the talk page you have been the only active admin.
at the end of [[The Paradox Moon (short story)]]Siblijg Different now going by Mae sets of into the universe travelling with the 13th Doctor. May I thus suggest you ad Different to said template, thank you. [[User:Anastasia Cousins|Anastasia Cousins]] [[User talk:Anastasia Cousins|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:24, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


So, since we're all going to be screaming in agony soon enough, and our forums will once again be in disarray. Also on the chopping block is our beloved Recent Wiki Activity. I wasn't sure who to share this with, whether just an admin or Tangerine/Czech, but I figured I'd pass along a script I saw on community central that seems to reimplement RWA for the update. [https://dev.fandom.com/wiki/WikiActivity While it does seem to have bugs], probably can't hurt to try it out. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:40, November 1, 2020 (UTC)
:: Thank you [[User:Anastasia Cousins|Anastasia Cousins]] [[User talk:Anastasia Cousins|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:45, 6 October 2023 (UTC)


== Curator timeline reply ==
==Re: Life on Magrs stuff==
Oh, no hard feelings about the ban, mate. In fact, I was just on my way to thank you for alerting me about the plagiarism rule regarding Sandboxes when you did. I could have dug myself into a bigger hole there. I guess the problem was that I have no problem with people editing my own sandboxes hat I didn't register that other users would feel different. Heck, before you stopped me, and when I was getting an "edit high", I was thinking about merging the infomation on your sandbox page to the official [[Dr. Who (Dr. Who and the Daleks)]] page, since it covered the topic so well. Who knows how much trouble I could have gotten in there. As for the ban, well, I'm man enough to do the time after the crime. The important thing is that I learnt my lesson and hopefully won't be a repeat offender.
Yeah, think you're probably right about Autumnal cat drawings; for a start, I hadn't realised about the fact that it's a different fictionalised version of Bernard Socks, and the Manhattan map shouldn't have been created in the first place. Not sure I agree with you about the Iris Wildthyme in the Post, but I'm iffy on that one. The one written in the style of Story of Fester Cat we should probably keep, and I was iffy about the Rue Broca one, but I think that might pass. What's your opinion on the poems? [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] 20:40, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


As for my recent edit on [[The Curator]]; I'm unaware of any "timeline-theorising bann[ing] in the main namespace"? I just thought it made more sense to have the ''[[Gallifrey Falls No More]]'' information closer together, since they'e both "off-screen" affairs. Then I just moved ''Canaries'' up on the fly because it was also mostly "off-screen".[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 22:36, November 2, 2020 (UTC)
: But if you read {{cs|The Story of Fester Cat (novel)}}, Fester is quite definitely a defined, rounded character. And the same character pops up in ''A Year Since'' and arguably in ''Fester Cat's poem''. And surely that tangible character is copyrightable. (Also, {{cs|Party Like it's 1979 (short story)}} certainly seems to suggest that certain fictional versions of characters reappearing are enough to satisfy rule 2) (can't comment on Bernard Socks, as I haven't read ''Welcome Home'') [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] 20:57, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


== Behind the scenes ==
:: Well, it has Fester speaking from a posthumous position, which he is able to in ''Story of Fester Cat'', and it also more or less follows on from the end of ''Story of Fester Cat'' I think (but I'm not sure because a) I'm only halfway through the book and b) the book isn't linear). [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]]  21:06, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I'm asking this question here as it seems that the general consensus at [[Talk:Doctor Who: Lockdown!]] and the previous ''Lockdown!'' threads are that those stories shouldn't be on the [[COVID-19]] so it's kinda off-topic to the current line of conversation.


As an admin, could you confirm that a behind-the-scenes section can indeed be created for issues not relating to the ''Lockdown!'' debate? I'm specifically thinking of a bunch of Big Finish stories here, of which there is documentation for releases that were both recorded during and delayed because of the pandemic. --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 16:41, November 3, 2020 (UTC)
::: Come to think of it, do you think a dead anthropomorphic Fester Cat would be copyrightable? [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] 21:12, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
: Will do. --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 17:10, November 3, 2020 (UTC)


== Fanfiction ==
== The Curator returns ==


I'm slightly confused regarding the rules of fanfiction on this site. Earlier today you edited [[Tardis:What the Tardis Data Core is not|rules on Fanfiction]] but have since added redlinks to fan material released as part of [[Doctor Who: Lockdown!]]. Was this an oversight on your part, or is some fanfiction accepted? [[User:PoolsideJazz|PoolsideJazz]] [[User talk:PoolsideJazz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:32, November 7, 2020 (UTC)
Hey. Finally back again. More stories for you, of course. Massive things. But first: Discord.
: Just seen your explanation on the talkpage. Thanks! [[User:PoolsideJazz|PoolsideJazz]] [[User talk:PoolsideJazz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:38, November 7, 2020 (UTC)


== Fair enough ==
I've sent a friend request from a new account (Phoenix). We'll catch up there as soon as we're both online at the same time. (Internet access is still very much on the wibbly side.)


I definitely did not intend it in that manner, but was more making a comment about how the tread has petered out from lack of engagement. (I was well aware that Epsilon had commented, so wasn't being snarky in said manner.) Definitely understand the reading in retrospect though, and will be more careful. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:52, November 8, 2020 (UTC)
Mind adding me back to the channel, as well? Love from the Island.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 20:05, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


== Cosmic Masque ==
== Moving N-Space to "Primary universe" ==
I was reading a wiki page here a few days ago, and saw it refer to what has been typically called [[N-Space]] as a default term for the universe the ''Doctor Who'' franchise is set within as the "Primary universe", and I though that would be a good name that would put the "N-Space naming controversy" to rest. Unfortunately, I've forgotten in what story it was referred to as such, and can't citate the reference. I wanted to ask if you thought "Primary universe" would also make a good difference, and if you might know how to find the source? [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:07, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


Do you know if we should cover ''Cosmic Masque'' on this site? It is a fanzine which features interviews, reviews and fiction. One story from the first issue features [[Iris Wildthyme]] and [[Panda]]. [[User:PoolsideJazz|PoolsideJazz]] [[User talk:PoolsideJazz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:48, November 9, 2020 (UTC)
Truth be told, I wish we could call it "The Doctor's universe" too, but, thanks to one Christopher Chibnall, to call it that would no longer be accurate, since he went out of his way to make it ''not'' the Doctor's universe, but their adopted one. I wonder why we can't just title the page "The Universe", like how Luna is titled [[the Moon]] or Sol is titled [[the Sun]]?[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


:It seems like this is just part of a collection of fanzines. I could find no individual licensing. So probably out of this Wiki’s scope. [[User:PoolsideJazz|PoolsideJazz]] [[User talk:PoolsideJazz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]]
I get what your going with, but I'm afraid I'm too literal minded to accept it. Oh, and sorry about the galleries width. I didn't know it was a rule, I just thought it was picked at random. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:26, 16 October 2023 (UTC)


== Potential vandalism ==
==Re: And Today, You series==
Okay, thanks. <u>[[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: Georgia ; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Stuff I've done">🖊️</span>]] </u> 12:45, 17 October 2023 (UTC)


When you have the time, can you have a chat with [[User:Bridget Sinclair]] about their edit history? At the very least they're repeatedly violating [[T:GTI]] after an admin told them to stop, and multiple other users have been reverting their edits, since they're constantly replacing pictures of members of LINDA with those same members once part of the Abzorbaloff. [[User:Cool11guy12]] expressed concerns at SOTO's talk page, but I figured that giving you a prod might be faster. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 19:02, November 10, 2020 (UTC)
: Oops, sorry, didn't notice that. <u>[[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: Georgia ; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Stuff I've done">🖊️</span>]] </u> 06:53, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
:Yeah, your chat didn't seem to work. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 19:58, November 11, 2020 (UTC)


== Chat ==
== T:POINT ==
Can I get you to join me in [[Special:Chat]] instead of Disco?  Thanks! {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 19:19: Tue 10 Nov 2020</span>
Just out of interest, would a NuWho exclusion debate on my part be against T:POINT? <u>[[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: Georgia ; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Stuff I've done">🖊️</span>]] </u> 14:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)


== Forums ==
: I mean, personally, I interpreted those statements literally, and the point would have been that ordinary rule 4 apparently invalidates what most people are interested in us about. Probably still T:POINT violation, though. <u>[[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: Georgia ; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Stuff I've done">🖊️</span>]] </u> 14:35, 23 October 2023 (UTC)


Since you and Czech discussed the issue of closing forum threads, did you ever end up rewriting out the closing post for [[Thread:271132]] like you did at [[User:Scrooge MacDuck/The Lost Closing Post]]? Currently [[:Category:Non-heterosexual individuals]] links to the old discussion post which was deleted, so it doesn't help anyone understand the context. (And if not, we're obviously in no rush, it's been this way for over a month, we can wait a bit longer still.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:16, November 10, 2020 (UTC)
== Citesource problem ==


== DWBIT Dalek Wars ==
I feel now is a good time to bring up the problem with the citesource template, if it is indeed preventing story titles from italicising just because they are untitled, which violates a policy I can't remember on how all story names' need to be italicised. Furthur more, is there anything that came be done with hyperlinks such as, ([[COMIC]]: ''Endgame'' (part four)), for example. The brackets within brackets just doesn't jive well. I remember talking about this grievance in a forum, but the forum has not been updates for a while now. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:30, 27 October 2023 (UTC)


Since ''the forums are closed!'', I'll let you know here that I've [[User:NateBumber/Sandbox2|compiled a longer/fuller list]] of pages which should be restored relevant to [[Thread:264328#6]]. PS I'm having two factor authentication issues locking me out of accounts, I'm hoping to fix them when I get home. But I hope you've been well! – [[User:NateBumber|<span title="User:NateBumber">N8</span>]] ([[User_talk:NateBumber|<span title="Leave me a note">☎</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/NateBumber|<span title="Spy on my edits">👁️</span>]]) 21:43, November 10, 2020 (UTC)
== Sorry ==


== Uploading a video ==
I figured since some sources are mentioned multiple times, we only need to specify the medium once. But I suppose you're right that context is necessary. Please accept my sincere apology. [[User:BastianBalthazarBux|BastianBalthazarBux]] [[User talk:BastianBalthazarBux|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:26, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I've never requested the upload of a video before and assumed that the Add New Videos page would allow me to do that. However, I've accidentally uploaded [[:File:Snap! Two Doctors Meet Doctor Who The Two Doctors BBC]] myself, for which I apologise. -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 16:20, November 15, 2020 (UTC)
:Excellent. Thank you. I've gone ahead and sought out the video policy so I know what to do next time. -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 16:27, November 15, 2020 (UTC)


== Re: Timeline pages ==
== Definite article ==


It is true that we do cover stories not considered valid by the wiki on the timelines, but I thought it a pretty straightforward assumption that we wouldn't cover fan fiction, as that just opens up a whole can of worms which would make the timelines practically useless. [[User:Danochy|Danochy]] [[User talk:Danochy|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:24, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Scrooge. I was just wondering what the current policy is on using the definite article in page names.


== Potential T:SPOIL concern ==
Specifically, I'm wondering if the likes of [[White Guardian]] and [[Black Guardian]] need to be moved to [[The White Guardian]] and [[The Black Guardian]] to comply with current policy and when pages for non-individuals need the definite article. For instance, why does [[The Dragon Scriptures]] have it when we don't have [[The Time Vortex]] or [[The Scrolls of Gallifrey]]? [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:50, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


So there's been a new video game in the works that I've been monitoring and writing about at [[User:Najawin/Sandbox 3]]. Various reports stated that ''the playable version of the game'' was going to be released in 2021, but that limited edition content packs would go on sale in October 2020 (not being more specific to avoid spoiler concerns, you can check out the sandbox for the details). This never seemed to come to pass, but I decided to check in on the progress of the game, and see what was going on, and it seems like the packs have been released (see [https://mobile.twitter.com/TheWetwareIA/status/1331608480516599808 here] and [https://mobile.twitter.com/anarcist_live/status/1331011958498201603 here]). Due to the unique nature of the contents of the packs, as detailed in the sandbox and the articles I linked to, as skeptical as I am of the entire affair, it might be sufficient to make a page for this now and treat the "content packs" as being the first releases in a series or something similar, putting a spoiler tag on the article. But since this is such a very, very weird thing, and has to do with the ''specific'' nature of the game pieces vs game pieces from analogous games (and I hope I'm being clear enough on that without violating the spoiler rule), I figured I would ask. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:48, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
: Okie doke, thanks for that. I haven't been keeping my eye on the forums and just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed something. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:51, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
:If you'd like, I can explain my reasoning more as to why this particular thing might merit a page already on, say, community central or the $crooge McDuck wiki (rip Ducktales 2017) so I can avoid the spoiler policy. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:10, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
::Well, there's been [https://www.doctorwho.tv/news/?article=doctor-who-digital-trading-card-games-worlds-apart mention] of it on doctorwhotv as an "available now" sort of deal, even if the "official release date" comes later. (Again, I can go into more detail on my reasoning on community central if you want). [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:39, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


== In-universe references ==
== Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes ==
Thanks for catching that! – [[User:NateBumber|<span title="User:NateBumber">N8</span>]] ([[User_talk:NateBumber|<span title="Leave me a note">☎</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/NateBumber|<span title="Spy on my edits">👁️</span>]]) 01:20, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


== Restoration Empire place in timeline ==
Good evening.


So, although I have not read a lot of the more recent TLV stuff and am working off summaries, here is how I think it could be played:
I was hoping to find some clarity regarding why continuity sections were being remade from an out-of-universe perspective, when they are reference in-universe events. I had contacted the main advocate of the edits, [[User:Epsilon the Eternal]], and they pointed me in your direction by supplying me with this quote from Forum:Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes;
{{quote|Going forward, '''an out-of-universe perspective should be favoured in all continuity sections if possible'''. This is a big ask, and although it's an ideal to trend towards I will not demand that we pull out all stops making valid stories' sections conform to this. However, given that we're going to be creating Continuity sections when none existed, I can and will ask that '''all continuity sections on invalid pages, and "continuity to non-valid sources" sections on valid or invalid pages, be written from an out-of-universe perspective'''. I think that ought to solve Czech's issue, to whatever extent it may have otherwise been a concern.|@Scrooge MacDuck, [[Forum:Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes]]}}


1. the Restoration Empire is a result of the changes, like ''Defender of the Daleks'' claims
Readying this, I am given the impression that only stories marked as in-valid are to have out-of-universe written summaries, and that valid stories are to retain an in-universe summery. Am I correct in that assumption?


2. The Restoration Empire may have came about from the changes (per [[The Restoration Empire (short story)|The Restoration Empire]]) but is in the proper timeline, given the fact that it is setting up the Time War
Thank you for your time,
Sincerely,
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:04, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


I do not want to assume what the proper interpretation is, but the foreshadowing of the Time War means I do not want to just assume its all an alternate universe. Maybe the Tenth Doctor is just wrong in Defender and it is not a paradox, as a pre-War empire would of course have no record of a war they have yet to fight.  --[[User:Editoronthewiki|Editoronthewiki]] [[User talk:Editoronthewiki|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:38, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
== Recent edits ==
*I think that works. We have two “valid” TLV stories left I believe (one being the last short story). I guess we should wait and see what those say.--[[User:Editoronthewiki|Editoronthewiki]] [[User talk:Editoronthewiki|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:09, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


== Vandalism ==
I'm coming to you directly to prevent any unneeded unpleasantness from happening, like you thinking I'm a vandal and blocking me over an honest misunderstanding.


42.98.152.51 could use a block when you have the time and their created pages purged. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:05, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
I promise you I am not removing information, except the occasional titbits that are either incorrect or unrelated the the article. At worse, I'm just rewording some sentences to get more direct to the point and "trimming the fat", to coin a phrase, to avoid repetition. My main goal is to update the articles now that I have full access to the source material as part of my research into the Fourteenth Doctor's character in preparation for upcoming 2023 specials. Believe me, I dislike it when users delete information, too.


:[[:Category:Blocked]] and {{tlx|Blocked}} are spam things they created as well. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:24, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
I hope to settles any trouble that has been caused.
Sincrely,
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


== Merry Christmas ==
:: Oh the removal of ''Whotopia: The Ultimate Guide to the Whoniverse'' was no accident, for two reasons. 1) It says "appears" and "imply", which means it is speculative and speculation has always been taboo on this wiki. 2) It dabbles in timelines, which have long been relegated to theory forums unless absolutely needed, in conjunction with the taboo against speculation. These points, plus its evident irrelevance to the short story itself, are why I took the initiative and removed it. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


Hello, there. I just wanted to stop by and wish you the merriest of Christmases, and a Happy New Year. May 2021 bring you the same joy I got from reading your profile page. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:14, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Editors shouldn't have to explain ''every'' edit they make, otherwise the wiki wouldn't feel like a safe place for contribution. I'll have been editing for 10 years next June, and we've done fine with some good faith and talking it out if there's a disagreement. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:26, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


== Re: Davros and the Testimony ==
Would it be possible to get a link to a list of these policies? Because everyone's been coming out the woodworks lately throwing words like T:NPOV, BOUND and "by policy" at me, and I have no idea what they're talking about half the time. I'm just trying to edit like I always have, and seems I'm out of the loop on certain updates. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:36, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


Ah, that explains it. I was a bit confused for a minute there lol. And don't worry, I know all too well the dangers of night-time edits, so I totally get it. Anyways, thanks for explaining and all the best for the new year :) [[User:LauraBatham|LauraBatham]] [[User talk:LauraBatham|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:43, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
== Forum:Clarifying in-universe deadnaming policy in response to Rose Noble ==


== The Howling ==
Hello. I am sorry for bothering you about this but I would like you to take a look at Forum:Clarifying in-universe deadnaming policy in response to Rose Noble as I feel that anonymous user 51.191.137.161 is skirting a bit to close to transphobia. (I am not saying they are but as a trans person I feel they are on the very edge of it) I would like you to at least step in and remained everyone to stay civil and polite. But due to the anonymous user having no prior contributions before this forum I feel that they really just  arrived here specifically to add to this forum. Not to mention their constant accusations of that trans people are trying to make themselves the centre of the world which to me feels very very close to Transphobia and has made me rather uncomfortable. I added my views on the subject and soon after they immediately accused me of calling them cis and and said that is it foolish of me to think that trans people know more about being trans than cis people. I had not accused them of being cis. I was not even referring to anyone in particular. As well as arguing for real world people to have their deadnames on this wiki which I believe would be in breach of fandom policy. Now I will leave it up to you to decide what to do but please at the very least just step in and make sure everyone is playing nicely.
and if I am in the wrong at any point in this please do inform. [[User:Anastasia Cousins|Anastasia Cousins]] [[User talk:Anastasia Cousins|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


Hi!  Can you tell me how I can add a topic to The Howling discussion board?  I cann't find a link there that lets me do this.  Thank you. [[User:Captain Infinity|Captain Infinity]] [[User talk:Captain Infinity|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:47, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
== Peri ==


== Navboxes on fiction pages ==
Hi, Scrooge. I'm a little confused. Is there no limit to the length a story's coverage can be on a character's page anymore? [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


Hi Scrooge. Happy new year! Sorry to bother you, but needing a moderator and can see you're currently online. Having a bit of trouble with the mini navboxes which appear on pages like [[Harry Potter]], [[the Hobbit]] etc. As you may remember, these were originaly set up by [[User:LegoK9]] and have been ammended and added to by users such as myself and [[User:MrThermomanPreacher]]. I made a small navbox for "Works by Vincent van Gogh" for [[Vincent van Gogh]] and related pages earlier today and [[User:Epsilon the Eternal]] has jumped on this and now started changing all the formats of all the navboxes on similar pages ([[Back to the Future]], [[Agatha Christie]] etc.), erasing all previous work and causing a series of page format issues. This is most noticable on the [[Scooby Doo]] page and the associated template which is starting to break into an edit war. Considering this is erasing the work of multiple previous users, I've requested that Epsilon raise a discussion prior to changing all similar navaboxes, but my request has been denied with Epsilon commenting: "Oh for god sake - CONJECTURAL INFORMATION IS ALLOWED IN NAVBOXES, HENCE WHY THERE IS A CONJECTURE NOTICE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE". As you can understand, there is no requirement for block capitals and I don't appreciate being spoken down to, especially when I myself added the original conjecture notice (more for cases where we know a certain character or element is from a franchise, but this is yet to be stated in an in-universe source). Apologies for the long message, but was hoping you or another moderator might be able to step in and advise. Thanks. [[User:66 Seconds|66 Seconds]] [[User talk:66 Seconds|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:04, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
: I extended it from three sentences to five before you reverted it. The biography as it is now doesn't actually integrate anything from other sources beyond two insights into Peri's thoughts and feelings from the novelisation. I don't really see the value in detailing absolutely everything she does in that one story and think the important things can easily be trimmed down by several hundred words.


== Margaret Rutherford ==
:: Upon arriving on [[Thoros-Beta]], Peri and the Doctor were attacked by [[the Raak]] and captured by [[Kiv]]'s men, but they managed to escape with [[Yrcanos]] after [[Crozier]] attempted to interrogate him to learn what provoked the Raak. The Doctor began behaving oddly and betrayed his friends to [[Sil]], leading Peri, Yrcanos and [[Dorf]] to stir up rebellion amongst the [[Thoros-Alphan]]s until they were stunned by [[Frax]] and imprisoned.


Hello Scrooge,
:: Peri was chosen by Crozier to become the host for Kiv's [[brainwave]]s. Assisted by [[Kani|Matrona Kani]], he experimented upon her, resulting in her mind being erased and Kiv taking control of her body. To prevent Crozier's discovery from making Kiv [[immortality|immortal]] and affecting [[evolution]] across the universe, the [[High Council]] used Yrcanos as an unwitting [[assassin]] to kill Kiv by destroying Peri's body with a [[CD phaser]] soon after the successful transfer. ([[TV]]: {{cs|Mindwarp (TV story)}})


Are you able to rename Edith Sitwell Iris (Iris Fifteen).jpg to Margaret Rutherford Iris (Iris Fifteen).jpg [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:22, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
: If that's not enough, I'm really going to have to go over everything I've written on her page, which I've limited to the key parts of her involvement in stories rather than complete walkthroughs. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


: Thank you! I wasn't sure if rename tags were added to image files the same as they were pages, the image files seem a bit complicated to me so I didn't want to mess up anything on the page. Thanks again! [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
:: In which case, I'll aim for that much. At its current length, it's a bit indigestible. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


== Stupid awful fandom drama ==
== About spoilers ==


So given our discussion at [[Talk:Christa Mactíre]] and the awful horrible fandom drama that has caused people to edit certain pages at this wiki, I'm wondering if [https://twitter.com/ArcbeatlePress/status/1347642339397836803 this] is something we should now document, even if it doesn't technically meet the standards you laid out at said talk page. (Please dear lord say no, I do not want us to cover this and other such things.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:25, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Just a double check. As it currently stands, I presume the policy on [[T:SPOIL ALLOW]] means spoilers are disallowed on any talk page outside of those limited examples right? Does it mean stuff in the Tardis talk: namespace, for instance? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 16:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:Right, my thought is that it was close enough to the Roberts issue to actually ask an admin. I do not want to touch it with a ten foot pole unless we have to. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:42, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
: Alright, but what I said before appears to also apply to the caveats in [[T:OFFICIAL INFO]], too. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 17:26, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:: Given that Arcbeatle Press have announced that they will no longer be working with him, is it worth being mentioned? I wouldn't say it needs to be covered in depth, but it's certainly a little more than stupid awful drama. -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 23:24, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
::: Is Arcbeatle's Tweet on the ''Sheffirof Steel'' thing not worthy of being on his page, the same as Gareth Roberts has his debacle on his? I understand where you're coming from but at least to me it seems like a very similar situation. -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 23:40, 8 January 2021 (UTC)


:::: I won't push it any further if only because editing on my phone is a pain. I don't see how it would be libellous to say that Arcbeatle have done what they have due to the allegations - that being the operative word. We obviously shouldn't weigh in and say that they're anything more than that. -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 00:00, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
== [[Bulgaria school murder]] ==
::::: Okay. That sounds sensible. -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 00:09, 9 January 2021 (UTC)


== Liz Shaw ==
Hi, Scrooge. Got a familiar bit of spam at this page and its talk page. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


If you could either lock the page or block 45.41.134.186, they've been removing some EU stuff repeatedly. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:13, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
== Cite source template clarification needed ==
Hello Scrooge. Hope all has been well. Congrats on being a staff by the way! Great to see you are still around ^_^ Was hoping you could help me clarify a matter.


== Liz Shaw edit war ==
Given Doctor Who was off air for about a year, I have come back to find there is this new “cite source” template used on TARDIS for citing stories as we have always done here with in-line citations and so forth. However, while editing, I have noticed there is inconsistency in which style is used among various editors and also within articles on the wiki. For example, in the same section “cite source” is used for one story but the next it is the classic “[[TV]]: Story” style.


Hi. Could you deal with the anonymous users deleting all of the ''P.R.O.B.E.'' material from [[Liz Shaw]]? Of variable quality they may be but it obviously deserves to be here. -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 22:16, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
I checked the policy pages but am struggling to find the new “cite source” one; the T:CITE one still commands the usage of the classic style. Therefore, I thought it best to ask you which one we are meant to be using or if we are indeed using all three variations but it depends on the circumstances (in-universe or out-universe, real world articles or character articles). Can you help provide some clarification?


I look forward to hearing your reply! [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 22:16, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


== Novelisations as additional appearances ==
:Ahhh, okay then! So I do use it and where I see someone is using the old style or where the old style is still on the article, I should convert it to the new “cite source” one in all cases (regardless of the article)? [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 22:39, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


Hello. It was my understanding that if the subject of an article appears in a TV story and its novelisation, the novelisation is not added as a separate appearance in its infobox. Episilon seems to agree, specifically on the matter of [[Walker General Hospital]]. Could you help reach a resolution? -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 17:15, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
::Great! The wider editing base is aware of this change yes? Some editors appear to keep reverting my changes regarding this style; edit warring risks occurring it seems if editors aren’t aware and I keep having to change them back to the “cite source” style - loads more work too. [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 17:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)


: But doesn't novelisations being counted as a "lesser appearance" qualify a [[T:NPOV]] violation? I don't see most of the stories in [[:Category:Adaptations|Category:Adaptations]] being treated as lesser. [[User:Epsilon the Eternal|Epsilon the Eternal]] [[User talk:Epsilon the Eternal|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:25, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
== Executive decisions ==


:: Additionally, given that policy is that first names from novelisations are not to be used for article titles, I wonder if you could comment on the pointlessness of writing things like this - <nowiki>[[Shelly Curtis|Curtis]]'s name is said to be Shelly"</nowiki> - when, according to policy, the page will remain at [[Curtis (Doctor Who)]]. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
When you've the time, [[Talk:Disney+ (in-universe)]] and [[Talk:Wild Blue Yonder (TV story)]] have stalled out discussion (imo) and could use an admin to make final calls on their topics. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:08, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


:::'Tis not pointless though, When one hovers their cursor over the link, they'll see the full name. And the more we use the characters full names, the more they'll be known to the more casual fans, like how [[Polly Wright]]'s surname had ''never'' been used on television, but it's synonymous from the forename. [[User:Epsilon the Eternal|Epsilon the Eternal]] [[User talk:Epsilon the Eternal|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:52, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
== Page deletion ==


:::: But why not have it link to the page's actual address, e.g. [[Curtis (Doctor Who)]], whilst having the text read [[Curtis (Doctor Who)|Shelly Curtis]]? That's how it's done elsewhere on the wiki. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:55, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
If you've the time, [[From the Doctor to My Son Thomas]] is just fundamentally flawed and should be deleted. It's blatantly plagiarized from wikipedia. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
:Also, if you (or any admin who's online and reading talk pages) could have a look at [[Isaac Newton]] when you've the chance. The original IP user who accused me of violating [[T:NPOV]] is back and is [[T:VAN|vandalizing]] (#6) the page after Nate's ruling, refusing to accept it or move to the talk page. Blocking them and/or locking the page might be needed. (I'm removing myself as it's probably bordering on [[T:NO WARS]] here, even if it's technically vandalism.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:29, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


::::: If that's the case, then the redirect is pointless, and we should delete all the redirects from the Wiki, as pretty much most of them fall under your proposal. [[User:Epsilon the Eternal|Epsilon the Eternal]] [[User talk:Epsilon the Eternal|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:01, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
== Re:R4bp ==


:: At least on the appearance matter, the relevant clarification I recieved from Czech after that thread is at [[User talk:Borisashton#Infoboxes and novelisations]]. [[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:33, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
As far as that thread goes, I'm perfectly willing to call that thread unresolved and start over, perhaps with a more narrow scope, or with a more structured framework for how to proceed. It's been two months just about since the last bit of movement there, and I'd have to reread the whole thing if there was a new response anyhow.


::: But that's applicable to most of the stories in [[:category:Adaptations|category:Adaptations]]. And his rationale is an endorsement of ''assumption'', which can be considered as ''speculation'', which isn't allowed on this Wiki. <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><tt>Epsilon</tt></span>]]''' '''[[doctor who:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 19:05, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
I do think there was some interesting lines of thought that we were working on, but the thread just became so ''long'' that there were, what, four, five of us who were engaged at the end? And those who tapped out earlier on missed out on just large swathes of that discussion. It seems a bit unreasonable for, in effect, four or five users to be having a discussion that's this foundational and everyone else to be filibustered out. But at the same time the issues at play ''are'' complicated and ''do'' require a lot of discussion. So there's just not a super clear answer here imo.


::::...and if we are to remove novelisations from infoboxes, then it'd be justifiable to remove [[AUDIO]]: ''[[The Daleks (audio story)|The Daleks]]'' from [[Pursuer-Dalek]], for example. <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><tt>Epsilon</tt></span>]]''' '''[[doctor who:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 19:15, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
But I'd be willing to trust a third party admin, say Nate or Bongo, to call it unresolved and then open up a new thread with a more narrow scope or with specific rules of engagement (at least to begin with - something like analyzing Web Theory ''in particular'' in one thread, not discussing any other issues, or perhaps discussing how we deal with Roland Rat-esque situations and daisy chaining more broadly, etc etc) if you are. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 18:20, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


Both of these policies are completely flawed in my opinion.
:That's fair enough, no worries. And I did have some idea as to what you've been so busy with, given the shiny new site and all. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:38, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


Regardless whether a character is in both the TV story or the novelisation, why do we favour the TV story? As [[User:Epsilon the Eternal]] correctly stated this is a violation of [[T:NPOV]]. We should not be elevating one source over another.
== User report. ==
Hello there. I suspect that user [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheSuperMarioBros2023 TheSuperMarioBros2023] is a sockpuppet account of Hulksmashtheworld/Theincrediblehulk2003/The Worldbreaker Hulk/Hulkbreaktheworld.
That's all for now. --[[User:AzureKesil|AzureKesil]] [[User talk:AzureKesil|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:46, 26 December 2023 (UTC)


As for the naming convention, one of the main examples for not using a name given in a novelisation was [[Odessa Smith]] which has since been disregarded (and there are many other examples). I have no idea why we wouldn't use names given in additional stories, again it is a violation of [[T:NPOV]] to favour the TV stories over their novelisations.
== RE: Missing thread ==
Ahh, I see. So the intention is simply transfer it to the Biography sub page, then just trim it down to roughly 3 sentences. In that case, it sounds relatively simple - it's less a complete rewrite or the article and simply just trimming it down a ton, with the original kept as a first draft to draw upon. Thank you for the addition! [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 11:35, 4 January 2024 (UTC)


While this may not be possible, I suggest suspending both of these [[T:NPOV]]-violating policies actively immediately - and we could later revisit them when forums reopen? [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
== Re:Templates and adaptions ==


: I struggle to see how we could get from a quote like this;
I respectfully disagree. The "villain templates" are just for readers to get a quick look at which stories to look into to see where their favourite antagonists show up, hence we had that whole "when is a Dalek story a Dalek story and not just a story with the Daleks" debate a few years back. It's why the complete list of appearances is tagged on the bottom for a more deep dive into it.


{{quote|Television is not the most important source of information on this wiki. That which is said in a short story in Doctor Who Annual 1967 is just as valid as the latest episode of BBC Wales Doctor Who.|[[T:NPOV]]}}
What confuses me here is why there are now two editors adding ''The Giggle'' to the Toymaker's media box and not his first novelised story ''The Celestial Toymaker''. And that's not even going into the bigger picture of then adding all adaptations to the other templates for consistency. Where would they go then? Would they get their own "Novelisations" group or be lumped in "Prose stories"? If the latter, how will we tell adapoted stories from original prose adventures? If the former, it will repentant because it's just repeating the TV stories in potentially anachronistic order.


: To suddenly refusing to include novelisations in a character's infobox if the television story is already present, and refusing to update character names - such as; [[Petronella Osgood's sister]] to [[Nova Osgood]] (especially because Nova first appeared in ''[[For the Girl Who Has Everything (short story)]]'' and was mention-only prior to that). [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Food for thought,  
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


::Oh dear lord, not this again. Look. Many of us agree that a change should be made. And [[Talk:Petronella Osgood's sister]] discusses just this. But there was an actual ruling here that says we can't do what we want to do. I have set up [[User:Najawin/Sandbox 5|a sandbox]] that lists different threads different people can coordinate on making when the forums return, that myself and Epsilon have been using. As you can see, both of us put reopening [[Thread:232143]] there. But until then the name issue is moot. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:38, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
: I meant the novelisations would be anachronistic in comparison to the their television originals, since the books were released at their own pace. For example, the Cybermen first appeared in novel form in the novelisation of ''The Moonbase'', their second television serial. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


:::That ruling goes against policy and has already been disregarded in many instances. It is outdated and damaging. We should not have to wait however long it is until the forums return to terminate an unfit former policy. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:44, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
That is what I am trying to say. I'm just also noting that new editors unaware of the feature will most likely put them in episode order as opposed to release order, or reorganise them thinking they've been incorrectly placed due to being in the dark about the release order of the novelisations. It's just something to put into consideration if novelisations are to get their own group on character story templates. 14:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


:::: And to be fair [[User:Najawin|Najawin]], I wasn't discussing the ''naming'' of those pages; I'm in full knowledge that we need a forum thread to properly get this [[T:NPOV]]-violating policy removed. ''I'' was discussing a ''related'' issue, where '''only''' prose adaptations of stories are being treated a "lesser" sources in ''infoboxes''. It was [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] who brought up the issue of the page names, and to be fair, I don't blame him. [[User:CzechOut|CzechOut]]'s decision is highly derivative, ''and makes no bloody sense'' in such a time where [[T:NPOV]] exists.
== Pxrn uploads/vandalism ==
::::And don't blame ''us'' [[User:Najawin|Najawin]], blame [[User:CzechOut|CzechOut]] - ''he'' is the one who caused this, do not forget that. <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><tt>Epsilon</tt></span>]]''' '''[[doctor who:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 19:50, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


:Given that Scrooge was able to lift the rules regarding fan fiction ''provisionally'' to allow [[Doctor Who: Lockdown!|the Fan Gallery]] stories to be deemed valid on this site, I see no harm in asking whether he could provisionally suspend a policy-violating rule (that has already been disregarded in many instances) so that we are not left in limbo until the forums return. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 19:58, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Looks like someone's bored and uploading inappropriate images [[:File:Peri's Grandaughter.jpg|here]]. [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Send a space-time telegraph">@</span>]] 20:35, 22 January 2024 (UTC)


::Epsilon, I realize you're aware. I'm addressing the others. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:03, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
== Master edits reply ==


::: To be fair [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]], Scrooge didn't lift any rules. And those stories weren't valid, they were ''in''valid. They weren't originally known to be fanfic, and upon that revelation, he promptly removed the stories from the Wiki.
Salutations. I wish to reply to you message on my talk page concerning my... "redrafts" of the Master pages, and hopefully clear up some confusion that seems to have taken place. Starting with the fact that I never intended my edits to come across as a redrafting of the articles. I started out updating them with some undocumented information, which I had intended to do when they were first individualised but never found the time before, and then took a closer look beforehand to see if there were anything else that needed editing.  
::: And admins also lack the ability to undermine other admins, so the naming issue will have to remain until [[User:CzechOut|CzechOut]] finally restores the forums. <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><tt>Epsilon</tt></span>]]''' '''[[doctor who:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 20:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


::::Those stories were known to be fanfiction from the start. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:08, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Now, this cite source removal you mention. If you are referring to story links, you have me at a loss, since I actually went to great effort to avoid pasting over them when I was transferring updates from my Sandbox. But, if you are talking about the hyperlinks to the Master pages, like Delgado for {{Delgado}}, I think there's been a misunderstanding on the intention. As I am sure you remember, we used to use those hyperlinks when Time Lord incarnations were on a single page to link the appropriate incarnation to the source. I even remember inventing some of them myself for this reason for [[the Rani]] and [[the Monk]]. Since incarnations now have their own page, I was simply cutting out the middle man when I could and just linking to the page the traditional way, like with the [[Tremas Master]] for example.


No they weren't. The website has now been revised, so it's hard to tell. <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><tt>Epsilon</tt></span>]]''' '''[[doctor who:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 20:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
As for the this accusation, for lack of a better word, of removing information and my edits being "thoroughly out of order" and "wthout any clear justification", I'm afraid I must take umbrage with that. I'll tackle your comment from the [[Bruce Master]] about his bullet point on the "Echo" Master being moved to the [[Decayed Master]] first. Simply put, the "Echo" Master's bullet point was moved to the Decayed Master's page was because the ''information'' concerning the bullet point was ''on'' the Decayed Master's character profile, so it felt more appropriate to have the bullet point there for consistency.


:They were known to be fan creations from the start, and while I did argue that they violated [[T:NO FANFIC]], Scrooge felt that Lockdown had somehow got some form of license for them to be hosted. When he was made aware that was not the case, the ruling was reversed. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Indeed, as I have said before, I too dislike when information is removed from an article, but sometimes bits have to be removed to avoid repetitiveness; why repeat the spirit of the same sentence when it can all be covered together in a paragraph?


:: If fanfic is licensed, then it's really not fanfic is it? Or are we going to start questioning ''[[The Best-Laid Plans (audio story)|The Best-Laid Plans]]'' because it's written by a fan? <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><tt>Epsilon</tt></span>]]''' '''[[doctor who:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 20:28, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
As for your feedback mentioning some good being added that had to be reverted, in that you are correct, as many spelling and grammatical mistakes I fixed have been readded to the main article. For example, several "days to come" section are now covering the post-regenerations, again for lack of a proper term, instead of hints to the future heard from the past, or have been removed all together, and paragraphs are now starting behind images instead of underneath. As well as several valid updates to their psychological profiles, and the puzzling inclusion to the ''The Timeless Child'' citation on "References" to the source of the clips the Masters hail from, and the equally questionable removal of [[The Master's aliases]] from the character infobox. These reversions make me question why my edits were deemed "destructive", when, by all apparent accounts, they produced more positive updates than negative?


:::Nah, we should get rid of [[Blink (TV story)]]. Steven Moffat is too much of a fan to be a Doctor Who writer. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Now to clear up with I believe if the biggest misunderstand about this affair concerning my Sandboxes for the Master. I originally created them ''because'' the Master's incarnations were not individualised and comprised to a single page, which was hard to edit due to the sheer size, so I created the Sandbox pages to have a better editing space before moving the new information to the main page. Once the main page was separated into individual pages, the Sandboxes were no longer of any use, so I stopped editing them. I've only just now found the time to start transferring the information I never got round to adding to the main page over. I had actually thinking about putting some of the more redundant Sanboxes up for deletion once I had transferred the appropriate edits, only keeping the ones that delved into "head cannon", but I needed to sleep, so I stopped at the [[Saxon Master]] and planned to continue with [[Missy]] and the [[Spy Master]] before I started proposing deletions at a later date. So, as I hope I have explained, I do not intend to have my Sandboxes replace the main pages. I was just using them because they were easier to edit at the time.


::::Hello, all. Might I possibly get a word in edgewise on my own talk page? Which isn't supposed to be a talk page for general discussion between users, you do realise… But I suppose a lack of Forum is a lack of Forum. Instead of spreading my reply thin I'll post it here, but please don't make a habit of this, it's highly regular.
For a final note, I'd like to tackle how you called my edits "unjustified". But, "unjustified" in what way? Do I have to write an explanation for every edits I make? Does that not go against good faith editing and my rights as a user to edit articles if I feel they need updating, and then justifying my actions when I revert an edit or restore my reverted contributions? What I'm trying to say is that I'd like more constructive feedback on this topic.


::::Najawin is correct in his recollection of the ''Fan Gallery'' case — it was known that they were "fanfiction" in the sense of "fan-submitted fiction", but so's anything from the Big Finish [[Paul Spragg]] Contest; what was not clear was whether it was ''licensed''. See [[T:NO FANFIC]], which explains what we ''mean'' when we say "no fanfic". I bent no rule, but merely made a decision considering what our ''default assumption'' would be. This assumption was later contradicted by new emerging facts, and accordingly we moved the ''Fan Gallery'' stuff to its own Wiki, to accommodate its unique "official"-yet-unlicensed status. There was never any question of allowing it to remain on the Wiki if it was unlicensed.
I hope you found this reply enlightening and satisfactory,
Sincerely,
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:22, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


::::By the same token, I am indeed not in any way allowed to unilaterally reverse [[User:CzechOut]]'s old decision regarding page names; a forum thread would indeed be needed. Whether novelisations belong in the |appearances= field is perhaps a different question, in that this was never, to my knowledge, arrived at after a specific community discussion; but even then, I would need the argument of other admins before making even ''that'' decision, as it would still be a far-reaching change on the Wiki. We can review this if we still have no Forum in a month (maybe find a talk page to act as an ''ad hoc'' "thread"?), but in the meantime, I don't want to do anything rash on ''that'' front either.
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::::Sorry if this is disappointing to any of you, but the rules are the rules. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck#top|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:46, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
With the image files, it's not really a policy. Images are just generally slotted between paragraphs. But, for some reason, editors are adding them to the beginning of the paragraphs, making it hard to tell when the image ends and the sentences begin.  


And a resolution for the pipeswitching I've been applying to certain pages? <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><tt>Epsilon</tt></span>]]''' '''[[doctor who:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 22:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm afraid I must disagree with your assertion that "Aliases of the Master" only applies to incarnations with multiple aliases. [[User:Epsilon the Eternal]] added [[Aliases of the Doctor]] to the [[Fifteenth Doctor]] to cover one nickname, and I believe the Masters' pages should follow a similar principle, if for no other reason than preparation for aliases future works will give them.


== A Lady Doctor? short story ==
Truth be told, I've forgotten where "Backstory" came from. I think I just misread the "Origin" subheading on [[the Lumiat]] without noticing.


Hello Scrooge,
Am I right in understanding that the main problem with my edits is that I didn't fill in the edit description? If so I must apologies for this. You see, I have a communicational disability that can make getting my points across clear, so I usually only fill in the description box when it's completely necessary. The rest of the time, I just assume readers will see what my edits are and come to same conclusion I had for making them. I hope that helps you understand my actions regarding leaving them blank.


I was wondering if you could tell me if a page for ''[[w:c:whoniverse:A Lady Doctor? (short story)|A Lady Doctor?]]'' would be allowed on this site? Naturally it would be invalid, as Obverse Books doesn't have rights to use the 13th Doctor. However, this is a licensed appearance of Iris Wildthyme released by an official source so could have an invalid page. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:52, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Sincerely,  
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)


== Potential vandalism ==
:: I have some confusion on this biography reorganisation point I would like to cover before I start penning my full reply. Am I wrong in that you recently reorganised [[the Toymaker]]'s timelined biography without a talkpage debate or even an explanation in the edit description box? It's just really confusing for me at the moment to read one while another is apparently being practised. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:53, 4 February 2024 (UTC)


Would you be able to take a look at [[User:ArnoldTheRedeemer]]'s edit history. He has previously been banned for adding nonsense to pages, and has now started adding false information to Iris Wildthyme's page. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:14, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
== QA ==


== The Master talk page ==
Honestly this looks so bad I think it might merit going to Czech and asking him to talk to the team involved before this is UCP 2.0. The ''mandatory 3 answers per page'' is, frankly, surreal.


I think there has been a misunderstanding. I was not questioning why the opposition has the burden of proof on the Master's talk page, in fact I was unaware of that instruction (I must have missed it), I was merely pointing out what context I needed to understand both sides of the issue. I admit that I ''am'' confused as to the reasoning behind the burden of proof decision, but I expect that will become clearer the more I know of the situation. Anyways thank you for giving me some context and I am quite happy to wait for quotes from the novel (I may even try my local second hand bookstore - which I ''think'' has some novelisations - so I can see for myself, so don't feel you need to rush.) [[User:LauraBatham|LauraBatham]] [[User talk:LauraBatham|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:38, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
As far as email goes, still the same hangups. At least in part because my email accounts involve my actual name and creating new ones is such a hassle these days. (Why do you need my phone # for verification? I don't want you to have that.) In absolutely, entirely, completely unrelated news, were you aware that a friend of mine and DAVIS's did a recent review on Alien Bodies on yt? Completely unrelated of course. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:29, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
:To be fair, it's not like those flame wars in regards to the Master/War Chief issue were ever between registered users. It was always a particular IP user who was involved in one side or another. If we just ignored them I don't think changing the starting point would matter. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:51, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
:Well, it's a very isolated place with very few prying eyes and everything is, importantly, deletable.
::Scrooge, since we've had two users who've expressed interest in contributing but don't feel like inclusion is the default, don't think that the sections in question actually lead us to draw the conclusion (though allow us to if we wish), but are forbidden to proceed down this line of discussion due to how you set up the debate. Since the time between Borisashton presenting the evidence and you deciding it was so conclusive as to be the default was one day, and the main discussion we're having now didn't start until you posted a message in discussions a week later, with multiple users just not seeing this, would you deem it reasonable if, say, SOTO agreed that the evidence was inconclusive to allow that line of discussion to move forward? Not to tie your hands or immediately shift the burden of proof, but merely to allow people to discuss whether or not it's actually conclusive. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
:::I fully understand what you're saying, and I wholeheartedly agree that such a discussion wouldn't ''necessarily'' change the default stance being inclusion. Rather, it would give users who didn't have a chance to comment in that <=24 hour window a chance to weigh in and actually express their views as to why they don't feel the quote is particularly strong. I've always understood the idea of when argument X places the burden of proof on the defense the defense being perfectly allowed to undermine argument X. (Not that with my background I think very highly of the term "burden of proof" anyhow. But that's a digression for another day.) Does that attempt to undermine X necessarily succeed? Of course not. And even if it does succeed it might still not save the day for the defense. But I've never seen the idea where the argument put forward by the affirmative is unimpeachable. I'm merely suggesting that if SOTO also finds it a little inconclusive we allow other people to actually interrogate the original argument, obviously with the caveat that it could come to nothing, as all arguments can come to nothing. The burden of proof is still on the defense, insofar as the affirmative has put forward an argument and the defense is trying to undermine it, the defense is just now allowed to actually address the original argument made. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


:::: Hi Scrooge. I just saw you comments on Najawin's talk page and am now thinking that I have misunderstood the "burden off proof thing" and what points we are allowed to make. If I were to put on the Master's talk page ''my'' interpretation of of the "He was luckier than I" quote, would that be acceptable? [[User:LauraBatham|LauraBatham]] [[User talk:LauraBatham|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:29, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
:It's just a hangup for me. Past trauma. Maybe in a year or three. We can hope. Nothing personal, I promise, and I am working on it with a therapist. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
::I truly don't believe having an account there would be psychologically healthy for me. Addictive personalities run in my family and I've had bad experiences with social media usage in the past. While TBCotW was ongoing I noticed some bad behavior on my part ''without'' having an account and merely reading what others wrote. Only being able to interact as a guest places a rather large buffer there. Just. I'm fine finding out when everyone else does. I just wanted to make sure it was on people's radar as the problem I think it is. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:14, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
:::(Ugh. Gah. I'll think about it. I do have a twitch, under a slightly different username, if you've one. I don't use whispers much on there, but given I technically already have it, you know.)


:::: I haven't read the Moment/weapon discussion and unfortunately I can't due to the forum situation, but I will put my interpretation on the talk page anyway and I apologise in advance if it seems like I am repeating the precedent. [[User:LauraBatham|LauraBatham]] [[User talk:LauraBatham|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:07, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
:::That's roughly my thoughts on the subject as well, but I brought up similar objections on their last blogpost about it and they just brushed them aside, saying that individual questions could be deleted so there'd be no problem. I think it's a UCP problem all over again, they're starting with small wikis and scaling up, so haven't thought about the unique problems that large wikis present. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:49, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
:::: 'This user has turned on "Block Whispers from Strangers" in their privacy settings and must start a conversation with you first.' [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:19, 8 February 2024 (UTC)


== Vandalism ==
== Vandalism ==


[[User:Casaemmnuel]] could use a block whenever, not sure if it's imperative, I reverted their edits and Shambala deleted the page they made. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:04, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Didn't take long for a vandal to come along. User [[172.70.90.79]] is posting inappropriate vandalism on the Thirteenth Doctor and other pages. Same goes for [[172.71.134.112]]. [[User:FractalDoctor|FractalDoctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)


== Possible serial spammer IP address ==
: Nice of them to allow the testing of the block feature. I guess it was sadly to be expected that we'd get some vandals since the new URL has been widely promoted on social media (and one platform in particular). Sigh. Thanks for the blocks though. You admins are great :) [[User:FractalDoctor|FractalDoctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)


I have noticed a series of IPs on this wiki exhibiting suspiciously similar behaviour that leads me to believe we may be dealing either with a single serial spammer or a network of intentional copycat vandals. The MO I have observed is to create utterly nonsensical spam pages, often consisting of a haphazard jumble of templates, disjointed ramblings, or similarly not-remotely-encyclopaedic stuff, and typically taking the form of duplicates of existing valid maintenance pages Some examples  include [[Campfire]], [[//www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p048h1bz]], [[:Category:Candidates for deletion]], [[Template:Deletetemplate]], [[Template:Stubtemplate]], [[:Category:Blocked]], and [[Template:Blocked]], amongst many others. While most of these pages are simply outright nonsense, I have also observed the occasional one that is outright offensive, incorporating vulgarities or even offensive slurs. Now, I do wish to make clear here that I cannot be sure about this, but I do think it seems at least suspect. Just look at the deletion history for some of those pages I linked and you'll see how many times just those pages have been recreated. I don't know who this person is or what their motivation is for such a bizarre form of spam/vandalism (disdain for the current era, perhaps? the casting of a woman as the doctor certainly seems to have attracted quite a bit of trolling. I mean, I don't like the current era either but, like, it's not like it'd be any better or worse if Jodie Whittaker were a man so I don't see the point in blaming it on her gender. But I digress.), but they should probably be dealt with if possible (I've never admined a wiki so I don't know if it would be possible to fix this, but I think I should at least make it known whichever way)
== Block bug? ==
[[User:NightmareofEden|NightmareofEden]] [[User talk:NightmareofEden|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:36, 26 January 2021 (UTC)


== Year pages ==
Morning Scrooge. I woke up earlier to find I was seemingly blocked until August 2024 for "vandalism" - however I have been editing both versions of the Wiki for years now and I'm not sure what happened? I have since refreshed a few times and now I am able to edit pages again. Just flagging it up - is it a bug? (Also, I did notice that when I was blocked it was impossible to get in touch with an admin on site, as it prevented me from adding to / editing Talk pages too. Is there a workaround for such cases?) Hopefully it was a weird glitch in the Matrix! — [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk">•</span>]] 09:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)


As I've already stated on the [[Talk:1966 (releases)|talk page]] for [[1966 (releases)]], as most of the year pages are at the moment hard to naviagate, I think that it is a good idea to add subheadings for each of the months. There doesn't seem to be anything in the manual of style banning this, but seeing as I made a mistake last time I did something big, I thought it best to ask. I've applied the changes which I plan to implement to [[1966 (releases)]].[[User:CharlieCon|CharlieCon]] [[User talk:CharlieCon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:02, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
== Twitch ==


== Re: Phoenix Court Iris / Edith Sitwell Iris ==
Oh that's a bother. From googling it seems like this is something they toggle from time to time. And yeah, I saw OS12 migrated over after I asked that. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:17, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
:Hey, about the thing we discussed earlier, what's your math background? I'll start with a rough outline based on that and figure out how I'll get it to you. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:37, 16 March 2024 (UTC)


Hey Scrooge,
== Block ==


While I know that these incarnations are *not* their lookalikes, they are often described to be pretty similar to them. Hence, Brenda Soobie often being depicted as wearing clothes that Shirley Bassey has appeared in.
Hi. I've just found I've seemingly been blocked until 26 August. The notice gives the reason of vandalism and states the block started 26 Feb (which I know is incorrect as I was editing earlier today). Guessing it's some kind of bug. I've noticed [[User:FractalDoctor]] posted something on your talk page recently and it looks to be a similar issue. I'll keep refreshing as they did and see if that solves it. Thanks. [[User:66 Seconds|66 Seconds]] [[User talk:66 Seconds|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


With the Edith Sitwell incarnation they are often referred to as being "regal" or a "dame", but the lesbian novelist was described as none of these things in ''[[Hospitality (short story)|Hospitality]]'' and others indicated how rubbish she was - which doesn't fit with the previous descriptions of Edith (at least from my point of view). Another thing is that the characters in Hospitality were mostly women-study feminists (going by the name of "Lesbian Avengers") so for none of them to recognise the lesbian novelist as looking like Edith Sitwell would be odd if this incarnation was meant to be her. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 15:30, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
:I had this on my first day here, then again the other day. A few refreshes resolved it. I also flagged it up here: https://tardis.wiki/wiki/Forum:General_Discussion_of_the_Fork#Bugs/fixes/etc. × [[User:Fractal|Fractal]] [[User talk:Fractal|<span title="Talk"></span>]] 21:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
:: What's especially odd is that, looking at [[Special:BlockList]], no one was blocked on that date, so it's not even that you're getting assigned someone else's block.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 21:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


: Do you mind if I ask which stories and / or other reasoning has led to your thoughts that the Edith Sitwell incarnation / lesbian novelist incarnation may occupy the same place as the first incarnation of Iris' timeline?
== Re:SB ==


: Has the lesbian novelist from ''[[Phoenix Court (series)|Phoenix Court]]'' ever been identified as the first incarnation? [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:39, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
No, that's what everyone thought at first! But then in the airlock scene we went '''''entirely''''' the other way. That the episode seems ''nominally'' pro choice, but the underlying ethos it's asking us to adopt is simply pro life + pro welfare. (Treating the bogeyman as identical to the others, saying you save them all, etc etc.) Again, don't think this was intentional. I think it was Davies using iconography without a ton of care, being sloppy, and getting this result. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
:I simply disagree, if you're going to invoke that analogy, and then compare the villain to the harmless, helpless, babies in this way, and ''use this as justification for saving them'', I think that's going to inevitably stir up the metaphor again. Perhaps, however, this is influenced by the fact that when the parthenogenesis machine did the analysis for the composition on the bogey monster our immediate guess was unfinished, uncompleted babies rather than snot. (Frankly I didn't think RtD would be so juvenile on the opener. Ah, to be so optimistic as myself only 4 days ago.) So that might have colored how we read the airlock scene. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


== Vandalism ==
== Did you? ==
If you could protect [[Antonio Amaral]] and block the relevant IP that would be appreciated. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:49, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
:Oh no, don't protect it; I'm planning on a significant edit on it, as I've been talking to Antonio of Twitter about proper in-universe page. <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><tt>Epsilon</tt></span>]]''' '''[[doctor who:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 21:57, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
:::As for the more recent vandalism, as I said on [https://scrooge-mcduck.fandom.com/wiki/Message_Wall:Scrooge_MacDuck your other talk page] (I know there have been issues seeing it in the past, so I'm reiterating here), if it's possible to do a full purge of their username and edits like happened on the 6th of September on [[Thirteenth Doctor]], that's probably the best option. Well, after they stop making accounts. I don't know what level of perms you need to do that though, it was Czech that did that last time. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:07, 9 February 2021 (UTC)


== Ulysses ==
Did you really do that just to get back at him for saying we were all coping? (I already made him read the [[The Cosmology of the Spiral Politic (feature)]] article, he's just being stubborn.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 03:34, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Okay, I (rather painstakingly) went through and made sure every line of [[The Doctor's father]], [[Ulysses]], and [[Daniel Joyce]] is represented in [[User:NateBumber/Sandbox/Ulysses]]. Ready for merger! And more generally, thank you so much for your diligent administration of this wiki. Having a rename or merge discussion open and closed without a three-month (or -year) wait has been a wonderful change of pace. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 16:19, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
:Well that certainly answers my question, but I was thinking of [[T-Time]], in light of the discussion this past week with SB Audio and the nature of Time Lords/the Doctor. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 03:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
:Just a little reminder ping here - no real rush, but something just feels ''wrong'' about one of my sandbox pages being listed in [[:Category:Individual Time Lords]] etc... – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 16:59, 5 February 2021 (UTC)


== "Enter Wildthyme" plot summary ==
== FP forum ==


Plot summaries have ''never'' been to regurgitate every single word from a book. The plot of ''[[Enter Wildthyme (novel)|Enter Wildthyme]]'' is far too long... there is no necessary need to include "a dog barked at Magda" when it had absolutely nothing to do with the plot. I had removed over 10 thousand words (and wasn't even halfway done) and yet still kept every single necessary detail that impacted the plot / had any relevance to the overall story. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:36, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Just refreshed it after the new episode for, uh, obvious reasons. If you have admin perms you might want to check in, someone posted some spam in the last day. Cheers. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


: Have you never heard of quality over quantity?
== Topical Pages ==


: The existing plot did summarise every single plot point, but in my opinion there was still a lot of unnecessary detail. All I did was shorten this - but I kept every single necessary detail. If you were able to provide evidence of one necessary detail / piece of information I removed, I would understand your point of view. But you will not be able to do this as I removed no necessary detail, just shorted it so that it was more accessible. In fact I added far much more information which was missing (such as the name of the original crewmember, [[Phelps (Enter Wildthyme)|Phelps]], and Barbra's [[Memory crystal]] which was the whole reason that they were able to get to Valcea in the first place!). [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 15:02, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Might it be worth adding Sutekh to the list of topical pages? <font face="Maven Pro" color="#000000"><b>— [[User:Fractal|Fractal]] [[User talk:Fractal|<span title="Talk"></span>]]</b></font> 13:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


:: There is also evidence of plots being challenged in the past by admins due to being overlong. Too long, like this, and they become inaccessible to the average reader. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:05, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
== IP user removing delete tags ==


::: I'm going to have to invite another admin into this discussion, later as I'm unable to right now, because I think you are completely mistaken. Overlong plots like this one are inaccessible and there are multiple examples of admins in the past challenging this. The fact that you cannot provide one piece of information that I remove which was necessary to the plot, yet I can provide several examples where I expanded upon the information, proves that you were wrong to step in. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 15:11, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
So the IP user who's been doing all the colour/clothing/pattern edits lately I've noticed has been removing {{tlx|merge}} and {{tlx|delete}} instances on a few pages ([[Baldric]] and [[Celadon (colour)]] being the latest examples I've noticed). I'm not sure if there's much that can be done but I thought it should be brought to an admin's attention. - [[User:CodeAndGin|<span style="color:green" title="CodeAndGin">CodeAndGin</span>]] | [[User_talk:CodeAndGin|<span title="Talk to me">🗨</span>]] |  19:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


:::: Please provide an example of something which was lost...
== Passing on a recommendation ==


:::: Readers aren't "lazy" because they want a summary of the plot but are instead met with "a dog barked at Magda", which had absolutely no relevance to the plot. And ''[[Fallen Angels (audio story)|Fallen Angels]]'''s edit history sees an admin challenge a plot as it is "overlong". [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:18, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Ah. So, I came across a book that's currently on sale on Amazon, rather massively so. Since it seems to be relatively well written on a topic we've discussed before, and is a history written in a way I thought you might appreciate, I figured I'd pass it along. Even if it is, well, [https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Dissidents-Rebuilding-Foundations-Mechanics/dp/3662446618?ref=dlx_deals_dg_dcl_3662446618_dt_sl14_1f Amazon]. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:55, 15 July 2024 (UTC)


::::: I absolutely do feel like another admin's involvement is necessary, but don't believe it can wait until Forums return.
== IP editor removing deletion tags and reverting edits ==


::::: From my point of view you seem to involve yourself in every discussion, even when it is doubtful that you have any knowledge of the story yourself. Not trying to suggest which stories you have / haven't read, but there have been several times that you have stated something that I (as someone who has read the stories think sounds ludicrous) and then were unable to back it up.
Hello, Scrooge. I think admin attention is needed with regard to the IP user's 2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:B548:8648:AF80:33B0 edits.  


::::: As for the plot summaries, it is a summary of the plot. If something occurs that does not impact the plot it should not be mentioned, it is really as simple as that. Why mention a dog barking? When it a) does not impact the plot and b) turns out not to have even been a dog barking but another noise altogether! [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:29, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
They have been repeatedly reverting the removal of categories for "human war criminals" and "human war heroes" from several articles. Other editors and I had been removing them as in most of these cases there are no sources referring to them as such, and the IP editor's edit summaries only seem to be opinion based. There was a discussion on this on at [[Category talk:Human war criminals]], as a lot of the articles added appeared to be [[T:NO RW]] violations. They have also continually removed the deletion tags from "human war heroes" and "war heroes", two categories which they created. I have reverted their edits twice and have attempted to direct them to talk pages, but they have ignored this. Unfortunately, this isn't the first time they've done this. [[User:BlueSupergiant|BlueSupergiant]] [[User talk:BlueSupergiant|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:03, 15 July 2024 (UTC)


:::::: Again, your latest comment on my talkpage only further strengthens my concerns that you have no knowledge of the stories you are involving yourself in (once again, not accusing you of this but just raising a concern). You state that you may have thought differently had I added [[Dog (Enter Wildthyme]] when the dog didn't even exist, it was a completely different sound altogether! [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 15:31, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
:They're back again, as 2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:F8C3:883:E4A8:3972 this time, doing the same sort of overcat-ing and removal of delete tags. I am wholly convinced they are the same editor as from yesterday, and from my post a couple weeks ago (also the IP always has the same 4 numbers at the start: "2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01", which when taking their editing habits and writing style into account makes me ''fairly'' sure it's the same user). - [[User:CodeAndGin|<span style="color:green" title="CodeAndGin">CodeAndGin</span>]] | [[User_talk:CodeAndGin|<span title="Talk to me">🗨</span>]] |  01:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)


Hi Scrooge,
::"2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:1BA:2728:183E:9D51" this time (at least the most recent one; there have been 3 different IPs with the same beginning numbers and editing patterns today; I don't believe they're switching IPs to circumvent the blocks, just that they have a dynamic one, which unfortunately makes tracking their edits a Sisyphean task) - [[User:CodeAndGin|<span style="color:green" title="CodeAndGin">CodeAndGin</span>]] | [[User_talk:CodeAndGin|<span title="Talk to me">🗨</span>]] |  12:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)


I just wanted to let you know (as I'm sure you would probably see yourself) that I have contacted another admin about this situation. I did not want this action to seem sly, but I truly feel like another pair of eyes has to take a look at the situation as I believe it is your edits that are counter productive to the Wikia in this instance.
== Re: Notes ==


It boggles my mind how you can acknowledge that the section is supposed to be a "plot summary" but then make statements like; "Brevity is only the goal for biographies of recurring characters" and "plot summaries on story pages should be as detailed as possible". The literal definition of 'summary' is "'''a brief statement or account of the main points of something'''" and "'''not including needless details or formalities; brief'''". [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 23:08, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Oh! Well, in that case, my bad. @Tsumioni made me realise we have a large inconsistency, as 90% of pages still have "Story notes". Thanks for clearing that up. I've also left a note on @Tsumioni's talk page. <font face="Maven Pro" color="#000000">— [[User:Fractal|Fractal]] [[User talk:Fractal|<span title="Talk"></span>]]</font> 00:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)


: The "plot" section has always been for a summary of the plot (and you have been acknowledging this since I brought up the fact that a summary is supposed to be brief). For the most part there is ''nothing'' subjective about what impacts the plot; a conversation about the weather or talk about a favourite band, etc, does not impact the plot. However, [[Memory Crystal]]s that actually lead the group to one of the main settings ''do'' impact the plot. However, the current summary more often favours the former.
== Talking dog ==


: Quoting what I wrote on @Shambala108's page, what is wrong with the following simplification?
Sorry, my mistake! I'm usually the one leaving messages on these pages so I usually do check. And I'm generally very thorough with doing the mergers as they're a tricky / tedious thing to do, and it's often in the back of my mind that messing up these things are hard to undo. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 13:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)


* That evening, at the poetry class, Simon decides not to tell Kelly that the jar had been stolen. Outside, a Routemaster 22 had been carelessly parked, much to Simon's displeasure. Kelly believes that the bus belonged to a bunch of new agers, and she expresses worry over the "famous poet", Antony Marvelle, hosting the bulk of the the night's meeting.
== Re:Quantum ==


* As the congregation of people begins clear at around midnight, a drunken Iris Wildthyme shows up, mouthing off at anything and everything. As time passes, Simon gets acquainted with Iris, and Kelly gets seduced by Marvelle's mesmerising ability Simon knows that they are getting intimate with each other, which he is very uncomfortable with. This drives him to confront Marvelle about him stealing the jar, which Marvelle denies, and Kelly believes that Simon is drunk.
Look, I get it. Rationally I know this. But when people start saying stuff like
:the most provocative claims quantum physics makes is that observed objects are affected by that observation [...] importantly, it took not a scientist, but a historian, to realise the implication of that statement. Michel Foucault, a French historian, realised that it if the world was shaped by us, then we could change the world by changing how we thought
it just hits far too close to home to very real mistakes made by academics in the real world. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:(FYI, since I know you're a tumblr user, you might appreciate [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2261286307 this] VOD, since wordpress owns tumblr. Somewhat relevant. Also open source/trademark stuff.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)


* After his failed confrontation, he goes back to Iris, and she voices her suspicions about Marvelle. They get drunk together, and later on Simon walks Iris back to her bus, and despite trying to get her not to drive it, she does, and the bus subsequently dematerialises.''
== Categories being wrongly added/deleted ==


All of the above became this;
Hi Scrooge, there's an IP user adding "war criminal" to pages which don't warrant it, and I believe they have been told to not do this previously. Might it be worth a forum topic to discuss only allowing logged in users to add categories, so this doesn't get abused? <font face="Maven Pro" color="#000000">— [[User:Fractal|Fractal]] [[User talk:Fractal|<span title="Talk">•</span>]]</font> 14:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)


* Simon attends a poetry reading in support of his friend Kelly, but when Marvelle is revealed as one of the guests he confronts him over the theft but Marvelle denies all knowledge. Iris Wildthyme comforts Simon and voices her own suspicions about Marvelle. The pair get drunk together, but as Simon returns Iris to her bus he is shocked to witness it dematerialise.
== Uncategorised Templates ==


Using Epsilon's outline I have able to simplified tweleve lines into four and have lost absolutely nothing. This is all I did throughout. People want to read the plot summary sections to find out the key plot points, if they wanted to read the entire book they would simply buy it. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:55, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi Scrooge,


::Chiming in on this, I will say that as someone that gives incredibly detailed plot summaries I do at times worry that I step over the line as to what would be considered fair use vs plagiarism. But the comparison about ''[[Enter Wildthyme (novel)|Enter Wildthyme]]'' in particular seems misplaced, it's shorter than my ''[[Of the City of the Saved... (novel)|Of the City of the Saved...]]'' summary while the original work has more pages than ''Of the City''. The summary doesn't seem that bad. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:56, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Would you be able to add a category to each of the templates currently on [[Special:UncategorizedTemplates]] using <noinclude>, as they're all locked for editing by admins only.


== T:NPA warning ==
Thanks, {{User:Gingerfool/Sig}} 22:22, 7 September 2024 (UTC)


You cannot compare "Poppycock" and "Waffle".
: Thanks for cleaning it all up :) {{User:Gingerfool/Sig}} 13:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)


One is an insult, the other is an actual word which means "speak or write at length in a vague or trivial manner"... I'm not sure how this could ever be considered a [[Tardis:No personal attacks|T:NPA]]? It is exactly what I was complaining about, and was clearly not meant to insult as I have directly told @Epsilon that I appreciated his outline of the text but found it long-winded. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:19, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
== 2023 ==


: "Long-winded waffle" is exactly what I was complaining about. Both of the meanings for these words are literally my entire argument. As I have said, I have already contacted Epsilon to show appreciation for the outline and work he put into the page - but I find it far too long. I still cannot fathom how this can be turned into a personal attack. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:28, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I'm currently in the middle of trying to update the release date pages so the year and day pages match up. I noticed you reverted several of my edits to [[2023 (releases)]], and I'm curious as to why. [[User:SilverSunbird|SilverSunbird]] [[User talk:SilverSunbird|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
: No problem, thanks for clearing that up. [[User:SilverSunbird|SilverSunbird]] [[User talk:SilverSunbird|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)


:: I still don't believe "long-winded waffle" is anywhere near aggressive. That was my entire complaint; "long-winded" = ''continuing at tedious length'' / "waffle" = ''speak or write at length in a vague or trivial manner''. This line summed up my complaints, and was not intended to insult the person who I had praised earlier for the same thing. However, I'm not going to continue dragging this out.
== A wrongly set up section redirect within ns:4 ==


:: Are you able to comment on how you keep calling the section a "Plot Summary" yet do not acknowledge that a summary is supposed to be brief. I am not interested how long a plot section is, but if the information of five paragraphs can be summed up into one that should be a plus! [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:40, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Your recent redirect move la, [[Tardis:TARDIS]] links not to the section on [[Tardis:Character names]] entitled [[Tardis:Character names#The TARDIS|#''The'' TARDIS]], but just to [[Tardis:Character names#TARDIS|#TARDIS]], which doesn't exist… There's not really an obvious choice of talk page to raise that issue on, so I'm just asking you directly. Thanks. {{unsigned|JSmith5504}}


== NightmareofEden‎ ==
: As I happened to see this, I corrected it quickly. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|☎]] 15:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)


While I believe me, yourself and Epsilon are all involved in a peaceful dispute, I would like you to review NightmareofEden's recent comment on my talkpage. I thought that this comment was completely unnecessary. I do not appreciate a user who is not an admin telling me to stop when I am raising a valid concern, nor do I appreciate my seeking another admin's input as me needing to "to run to another admin when you don't get the answer you want". [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:25, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
== NOTCOVERED ==
Re [https://tardis.wiki/w/index.php?title=Auteur_and_the_Homeworld_(poem)&curid=321516&diff=3861309&oldid=3861308 your edit] to [[Auteur and the Homeworld (poem)]], could you point out where this has been established? I don't recall the phasing out of [[NOTCOVERED]], only changing from [[NC]] to that. And certainly if there hasn't been a discussion over it [[T:BOUND]] would support its continued usage? {{User:Aquanafrahudy/Sig}} 14:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)


: I am finding your ruling to be incredibly biased here, Scrooge. There is obvious intent behind accusing someone of running to another admin when they don't get their own way. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:30, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
: Ah, I had thought current practise pointed in the opposite direction for continuity sections too, but it seems I was mistaken. {{User:Aquanafrahudy/Sig}} 14:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)


== RE: Comment at RadMatter's talk page ==
== Unnecessary category redirects ==


Ah OK, sorry about that. I'm feeling a bit stressed today for unrelated reasons and, while I wasn't attempting to "take it out" on anyone, rereading what I wrote yeah you're right that does come across as rather aggressive. Sorry. [[User:NightmareofEden|NightmareofEden]] [[User talk:NightmareofEden|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:34, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi Scrooge, would you be able to delete [[:Category:4DA Series 9 audio story images]] and [[:Category:The Fourth Doctor Adventures Series 9 audio anthology images]], as they are both unused and unnecessary; only existing because of mistakes whilst moving categories. The source code seems to be locked for them both though, so I can't put a delete tag there myself.


== Observer Effect ==
Ta, {{User:Gingerfool/Sig}} 13:27, 30 September 2024 (UTC)


Right, so it's subtly different insofar as not every mind causes collapse - you treat things not from the homeworld as part of the quantum system. I didn't feel like this effected the underlying interpretation that much. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:31, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
:Ah right, sounds fine. Just wanted to make you aware of it ˙ᵕ˙ {{User:Gingerfool/Sig}} 14:59, 3 October 2024 (UTC)


== Obverse Sextet ==
== Colour Locking ==
Could I tempt your eye over to [[Talk:The Rise & Fall of Señor 105 (novel)]]? Would be nice to get an admin statement about the validity of [[Obverse Sextet]] as a whole before I put too much effort into each of the parts (in particular, ''[[Vanishing Tales of the City (novel)|Vanishing Tales of the City]]'' doesn't make much sense without ''[[The Rise & Fall of Señor 105 (novel)|The Rise & Fall of Señor 105]]''). – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 15:09, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
:Thank you!! – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 17:34, 8 February 2021 (UTC)


== Twitter comments ==
Hi Scrooge,
 
Hello Scrooge,
 
Some potential slander on Twitter has come to my attention. I do not appreciate you trying to push a narrative that anyone has been attempting to have [[Antonio Amaral]]'s page "taken down". This is a complete mischaracterization of the events. Not a single person has advocated for the page's removal. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:24, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
:On the contrary, I advocate for the page's removal. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 04:52, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
:: Not to the contrary of anything I have said. You had not voiced your opinion (or so I believe) at the time these comments were made. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:26, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 
==Wiki Representative==
Hi there! My name is Chris, and I will now be your Wiki Representative for this wiki. As before, I'm here to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff. If you ever have a question or issue relating to the wiki, editing, etc., please contact me moving forward and I will do my best to assist you.


If you want to add me on Discord I'm at Spongebob456#7402 which is an easy way to reach me - wiki message wall works too! I’m looking forward to working with you! :) --[[User:Spongebob456|Spongebob456]] <sup>[[User talk:Spongebob456|talk]]</sup> <staff/> 14:48, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Given the ongoing drama with an IP User(s) at [[Green]], could it be worth locking all colour pages to registered users only, to prevent the ongoing edit wars with IP users that are trying to break [[Tardis:Colour spectrum policy]] with their own conjecture?


== The Other Side of the World ==
{{User:Gingerfool/Sig}} 15:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)


Hello Scrooge,
== Re:Muppets ==


As you were the one to create a page for ''[[Golden Age (novel)|Golden Age]]'' I thought that you would be the correct person to run Burton's other work by in this case 2010's ''The Other Side of the World''[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/51598859-the-other-side-of-the-world]. While I have little knowledge about Burton's off-shoots of the Faction Paradox universe, this seems like it deserves a page here. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:35, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
That comment was more about the DWU-ness of it all. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
: There is also the book ''The Empty Days''[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/51966692-the-empty-days] which supposedly documents the history of ''[[Against Nature (novel)|Against Nature]]'' and includes material from ''The Other Side of the World''. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:39, 15 February 2021 (UTC)


::I mean, TOSotW literally mentions Faction Paradox in the summary on Goodreads. The issue is, ''I can't find the book.'' Someone seems to have given it stars, so presumably it existed at one point, but unlike [[Smoking Mirror (novel)|Smoking Mirror]] which is still being published this doesn't seem to be something you can find anymore. TED seems to suggest, given the description on Goodreads, that TOSotW would merit coverage on here similar to [[Smoking Mirror (novel)|Smoking Mirror]], in that it was a planned book that was canceled because of issues with [[Random Static]] (hell, we might actually have enough FP books that have fallen through at this point to make a sub category specifically for that, not that all are named). But I would have to read TED just to make sure. I think at this point establishing whether TOSotW actually ever ''existed'' in published form is the most important thing. ("Bring in temporary forums" he cries) As that will determine a lot of how we proceed for the rest. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:11, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
== Re: Coleman likeness ==
:::It literally '''''does not show up''''' on his user profile on Lulu; that is some next level bizarre. Literally the first place I looked. I can only speculate as to why. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:23, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
::::I don't own it, but that's what I've summarized from the Goodreads summary of ''The Empty Days'' as well. I'm not sure that we'd be best served by acquiring a copy of TOSotW though, I think TED for the relevant evidence might be more helpful. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:52, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
I mean, I might eventually? But priorities, while I enjoy ''Against Nature'' I still haven't read Smoking Mirror, for instance. Getting an unpublished earlier draft copy of a work is a nice little thing to have, but it's not innately something I want to rush out and get if I can get it at my leisure. As for the dirty laundry concern, it's more that under this reading TOSotW just ''is'' Against Nature, there never was an unproduced novel, just earlier drafts, and we're just stirring up drama by including a separate page for TOSotW. TOSotW then gets perhaps a mention here and there in BTS sections but that's the extent of it. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:56, 15 February 2021 (UTC)


== One thing you might want to pass along to the wiki representative ==
I'll diplomatically say that the likeness isn't striking. [[User:Jack|Jack]] [[User talk:Jack|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)


It seems everyone is having issues with their userpages if you haven't noticed. It seems we can't see anyone else's, but can see our own, and if we log out our own no longer works either. Not sure if this is a TARDIS issue or a FANDOM issue. [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions?limit=50&contribs=user&target=NateBumber&namespace=2&tagfilter=&start=&end= Nate]'s noticed it as well. So I'm just passing it along. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:06, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
== Template:Jennies ==
:(I honestly don't know procedure here, and while I did see they had a user page I felt it would be rude to presume.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:13, 22 February 2021 (UTC)


== Discussions use ==
Thanks for your input on creating the Template:Jennies navbox. Some of the unnamed pages are not necessarily concrete. I can update them when I get round to making them. One final question, is there anyone who can help the ''Star Cops Wiki'' with their navboxes? I just can't get them to work. I don't understand what the problem is and I'm truly not clever enough to make it work - definitely not clever enough to fiddle with CSS.


Hey :) With respect to the thread about the Master in Discussions, I was just answering a question that seemed to be about the history of why things had happened on the wiki. I really didn't intend to open a separate venue for binding conversations on the wiki. Toward that end, I've deleted (but locally saved) your detailed response.  
Let me know if anyone can help out over at the ''[https://starcops.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Cops_Wiki Star Cops Wiki]''. I have tried following the lessons over at the Fandom official help articles and they just don't make sense to me. If not, I understand.
 
I apologise if my langauge confused you. Basically, I wasn't expecting someone to take the word "now" quite so literally and to launch into a full-scale forum-like response. In my mind, the Discussions platform is to be used as Fandom has generally intended: light conversation and announcements.
 
So let's please hold discussion of something as fudnamentally wiki-altering as coverage of a major character like the Master to a later date when the forums are back up.  We really need to make sure we can do nomral wiki-text to competently have that conversation. After all, if we were going to move wiki-altering conversations to Discussions, then there's been no point to this whole process.  I know it's probably been frustrating for you to wait a while, but it will be better, ultimately, to have done so. Thanks! {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 21:00: Sat 27 Feb 2021</span>
 
== Vandalism ==


Hey there, just wanted to let you know that [[User:HEBE3632|this user]] seems to have been vandalising this wiki as of late. Please block him if you see fit. Thanks! [[User:LordTenebrous2|<span style="font-family:Rockwell Nova; color:Dark Blue;">Tenebrous</span>]] [[User talk:LordTenebrous2|<span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraph; color:Turquoise;">(Talk)</span>]][[Special:Contributions/LordTenebrous2|<span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraph; color:Turquoise;">(Contributions)</span>]][[w:User:LordTenebrous2/Guestbook|<span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraph; color:Dark Red;">(My Guestbook)</span>]] 06:13, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
Matthew / [[User:Thefartydoctor|Thefartydoctor]] [[User talk:Thefartydoctor|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 17:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks again for all your help, I've dropped them a message. [[User:Thefartydoctor|Thefartydoctor]] [[User talk:Thefartydoctor|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 18:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

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Re: Re: Apology

You'll get no more clarity from me. I ignored you for a reason because you, like always, were going round in circles to get the final word. You are an admin, act like it. DrWHOCorrieFan 20:24, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

btw

You might want to protect Doctor Who (just because that page probably should be protected) and block the vandal. Najawin 14:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Admin help

Can I get an admin's eyes on Forum:TV Comic & other periodical issues? I just feel like I've been attacked in a very inappropriate way. OS25🤙☎️ 05:37, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

The Encyclopedia

An example.

Coffa: One of Jabe’s associates from the Forest of Cheem aboard Platform One. He was distressed to hear of Jabe’s death from the Doctor. (1 .2) (Played by PAUL CASEY)

MrThermomanPreacher 21:11, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Dirk Gently

Hi Scrooge, You said at Talk:The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (series) that you were going to make a thread on Dirk Gently. Do you mind if I make it, as I have a vague idea of how to do it, or do you want to do it? Aquanafrahudy 📢 13:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Okay. Aquanafrahudy 📢 13:17, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Popping in to ask

How's User:Najawin/Sandbox 9's sections (in terms of subsections + pictures? - best to scroll down a bit for best effect) this time? Najawin 01:59, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Alright, so whenever you think that should go live. (Obviously others can edit whenever they wish. Changes are still desired, especially since there's no S13 summary.) Najawin 04:16, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
Could you push them live when you have the time? Cheers. Najawin 18:26, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Companions of the 13th Doctor template action request.

As the Template for the Companions of the 13th Doctor is Locked (for good reasons), and I have suggested adding Different (Canaries)to the template but no one has replied to this (also understandable most people can be very busy). So I am making my pitch to you because on the talk page you have been the only active admin. at the end of The Paradox Moon (short story)Siblijg Different now going by Mae sets of into the universe travelling with the 13th Doctor. May I thus suggest you ad Different to said template, thank you. Anastasia Cousins 17:24, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Anastasia Cousins 16:45, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Re: Life on Magrs stuff

Yeah, think you're probably right about Autumnal cat drawings; for a start, I hadn't realised about the fact that it's a different fictionalised version of Bernard Socks, and the Manhattan map shouldn't have been created in the first place. Not sure I agree with you about the Iris Wildthyme in the Post, but I'm iffy on that one. The one written in the style of Story of Fester Cat we should probably keep, and I was iffy about the Rue Broca one, but I think that might pass. What's your opinion on the poems? Aquanafrahudy 📢 20:40, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

But if you read The Story of Fester Cat [+]Loading...["The Story of Fester Cat (novel)"], Fester is quite definitely a defined, rounded character. And the same character pops up in A Year Since and arguably in Fester Cat's poem. And surely that tangible character is copyrightable. (Also, Party Like it's 1979 [+]Loading...["Party Like it's 1979 (short story)"] certainly seems to suggest that certain fictional versions of characters reappearing are enough to satisfy rule 2) (can't comment on Bernard Socks, as I haven't read Welcome Home) Aquanafrahudy 📢 20:57, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Well, it has Fester speaking from a posthumous position, which he is able to in Story of Fester Cat, and it also more or less follows on from the end of Story of Fester Cat I think (but I'm not sure because a) I'm only halfway through the book and b) the book isn't linear). Aquanafrahudy 📢 21:06, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Come to think of it, do you think a dead anthropomorphic Fester Cat would be copyrightable? Aquanafrahudy 📢 21:12, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

The Curator returns

Hey. Finally back again. More stories for you, of course. Massive things. But first: Discord.

I've sent a friend request from a new account (Phoenix). We'll catch up there as soon as we're both online at the same time. (Internet access is still very much on the wibbly side.)

Mind adding me back to the channel, as well? Love from the Island.
×   SOTO contribs ×°//]   💬| {/-//:   20:05, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Moving N-Space to "Primary universe"

I was reading a wiki page here a few days ago, and saw it refer to what has been typically called N-Space as a default term for the universe the Doctor Who franchise is set within as the "Primary universe", and I though that would be a good name that would put the "N-Space naming controversy" to rest. Unfortunately, I've forgotten in what story it was referred to as such, and can't citate the reference. I wanted to ask if you thought "Primary universe" would also make a good difference, and if you might know how to find the source? BananaClownMan 10:07, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Truth be told, I wish we could call it "The Doctor's universe" too, but, thanks to one Christopher Chibnall, to call it that would no longer be accurate, since he went out of his way to make it not the Doctor's universe, but their adopted one. I wonder why we can't just title the page "The Universe", like how Luna is titled the Moon or Sol is titled the Sun?BananaClownMan 17:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

I get what your going with, but I'm afraid I'm too literal minded to accept it. Oh, and sorry about the galleries width. I didn't know it was a rule, I just thought it was picked at random. BananaClownMan 09:26, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Re: And Today, You series

Okay, thanks. Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 12:45, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, didn't notice that. Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 06:53, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

T:POINT

Just out of interest, would a NuWho exclusion debate on my part be against T:POINT? Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 14:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I mean, personally, I interpreted those statements literally, and the point would have been that ordinary rule 4 apparently invalidates what most people are interested in us about. Probably still T:POINT violation, though. Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 14:35, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Citesource problem

I feel now is a good time to bring up the problem with the citesource template, if it is indeed preventing story titles from italicising just because they are untitled, which violates a policy I can't remember on how all story names' need to be italicised. Furthur more, is there anything that came be done with hyperlinks such as, (COMIC: Endgame (part four)), for example. The brackets within brackets just doesn't jive well. I remember talking about this grievance in a forum, but the forum has not been updates for a while now. BananaClownMan 09:30, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry

I figured since some sources are mentioned multiple times, we only need to specify the medium once. But I suppose you're right that context is necessary. Please accept my sincere apology. BastianBalthazarBux 15:26, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Definite article

Hi, Scrooge. I was just wondering what the current policy is on using the definite article in page names.

Specifically, I'm wondering if the likes of White Guardian and Black Guardian need to be moved to The White Guardian and The Black Guardian to comply with current policy and when pages for non-individuals need the definite article. For instance, why does The Dragon Scriptures have it when we don't have The Time Vortex or The Scrolls of Gallifrey? Jack "BtR" Saxon 21:50, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Okie doke, thanks for that. I haven't been keeping my eye on the forums and just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed something. Jack "BtR" Saxon 22:51, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes

Good evening.

I was hoping to find some clarity regarding why continuity sections were being remade from an out-of-universe perspective, when they are reference in-universe events. I had contacted the main advocate of the edits, User:Epsilon the Eternal, and they pointed me in your direction by supplying me with this quote from Forum:Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes;

Going forward, an out-of-universe perspective should be favoured in all continuity sections if possible. This is a big ask, and although it's an ideal to trend towards I will not demand that we pull out all stops making valid stories' sections conform to this. However, given that we're going to be creating Continuity sections when none existed, I can and will ask that all continuity sections on invalid pages, and "continuity to non-valid sources" sections on valid or invalid pages, be written from an out-of-universe perspective. I think that ought to solve Czech's issue, to whatever extent it may have otherwise been a concern.@Scrooge MacDuck, Forum:Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes

Readying this, I am given the impression that only stories marked as in-valid are to have out-of-universe written summaries, and that valid stories are to retain an in-universe summery. Am I correct in that assumption?

Thank you for your time, Sincerely, BananaClownMan 20:04, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Recent edits

I'm coming to you directly to prevent any unneeded unpleasantness from happening, like you thinking I'm a vandal and blocking me over an honest misunderstanding.

I promise you I am not removing information, except the occasional titbits that are either incorrect or unrelated the the article. At worse, I'm just rewording some sentences to get more direct to the point and "trimming the fat", to coin a phrase, to avoid repetition. My main goal is to update the articles now that I have full access to the source material as part of my research into the Fourteenth Doctor's character in preparation for upcoming 2023 specials. Believe me, I dislike it when users delete information, too.

I hope to settles any trouble that has been caused. Sincrely, BananaClownMan 22:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh the removal of Whotopia: The Ultimate Guide to the Whoniverse was no accident, for two reasons. 1) It says "appears" and "imply", which means it is speculative and speculation has always been taboo on this wiki. 2) It dabbles in timelines, which have long been relegated to theory forums unless absolutely needed, in conjunction with the taboo against speculation. These points, plus its evident irrelevance to the short story itself, are why I took the initiative and removed it. BananaClownMan 00:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Editors shouldn't have to explain every edit they make, otherwise the wiki wouldn't feel like a safe place for contribution. I'll have been editing for 10 years next June, and we've done fine with some good faith and talking it out if there's a disagreement. BananaClownMan 00:26, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Would it be possible to get a link to a list of these policies? Because everyone's been coming out the woodworks lately throwing words like T:NPOV, BOUND and "by policy" at me, and I have no idea what they're talking about half the time. I'm just trying to edit like I always have, and seems I'm out of the loop on certain updates. BananaClownMan 00:36, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Forum:Clarifying in-universe deadnaming policy in response to Rose Noble

Hello. I am sorry for bothering you about this but I would like you to take a look at Forum:Clarifying in-universe deadnaming policy in response to Rose Noble as I feel that anonymous user 51.191.137.161 is skirting a bit to close to transphobia. (I am not saying they are but as a trans person I feel they are on the very edge of it) I would like you to at least step in and remained everyone to stay civil and polite. But due to the anonymous user having no prior contributions before this forum I feel that they really just arrived here specifically to add to this forum. Not to mention their constant accusations of that trans people are trying to make themselves the centre of the world which to me feels very very close to Transphobia and has made me rather uncomfortable. I added my views on the subject and soon after they immediately accused me of calling them cis and and said that is it foolish of me to think that trans people know more about being trans than cis people. I had not accused them of being cis. I was not even referring to anyone in particular. As well as arguing for real world people to have their deadnames on this wiki which I believe would be in breach of fandom policy. Now I will leave it up to you to decide what to do but please at the very least just step in and make sure everyone is playing nicely. and if I am in the wrong at any point in this please do inform. Anastasia Cousins 21:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Peri

Hi, Scrooge. I'm a little confused. Is there no limit to the length a story's coverage can be on a character's page anymore? Jack "BtR" Saxon 23:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

I extended it from three sentences to five before you reverted it. The biography as it is now doesn't actually integrate anything from other sources beyond two insights into Peri's thoughts and feelings from the novelisation. I don't really see the value in detailing absolutely everything she does in that one story and think the important things can easily be trimmed down by several hundred words.
Upon arriving on Thoros-Beta, Peri and the Doctor were attacked by the Raak and captured by Kiv's men, but they managed to escape with Yrcanos after Crozier attempted to interrogate him to learn what provoked the Raak. The Doctor began behaving oddly and betrayed his friends to Sil, leading Peri, Yrcanos and Dorf to stir up rebellion amongst the Thoros-Alphans until they were stunned by Frax and imprisoned.
Peri was chosen by Crozier to become the host for Kiv's brainwaves. Assisted by Matrona Kani, he experimented upon her, resulting in her mind being erased and Kiv taking control of her body. To prevent Crozier's discovery from making Kiv immortal and affecting evolution across the universe, the High Council used Yrcanos as an unwitting assassin to kill Kiv by destroying Peri's body with a CD phaser soon after the successful transfer. (TV: Mindwarp [+]Loading...["Mindwarp (TV story)"])
If that's not enough, I'm really going to have to go over everything I've written on her page, which I've limited to the key parts of her involvement in stories rather than complete walkthroughs. Jack "BtR" Saxon 23:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
In which case, I'll aim for that much. At its current length, it's a bit indigestible. Jack "BtR" Saxon 23:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

About spoilers

Just a double check. As it currently stands, I presume the policy on T:SPOIL ALLOW means spoilers are disallowed on any talk page outside of those limited examples right? Does it mean stuff in the Tardis talk: namespace, for instance? -- Tybort (talk page) 16:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Alright, but what I said before appears to also apply to the caveats in T:OFFICIAL INFO, too. -- Tybort (talk page) 17:26, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Bulgaria school murder

Hi, Scrooge. Got a familiar bit of spam at this page and its talk page. Jack "BtR" Saxon 13:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Cite source template clarification needed

Hello Scrooge. Hope all has been well. Congrats on being a staff by the way! Great to see you are still around ^_^ Was hoping you could help me clarify a matter.

Given Doctor Who was off air for about a year, I have come back to find there is this new “cite source” template used on TARDIS for citing stories as we have always done here with in-line citations and so forth. However, while editing, I have noticed there is inconsistency in which style is used among various editors and also within articles on the wiki. For example, in the same section “cite source” is used for one story but the next it is the classic “TV: Story” style.

I checked the policy pages but am struggling to find the new “cite source” one; the T:CITE one still commands the usage of the classic style. Therefore, I thought it best to ask you which one we are meant to be using or if we are indeed using all three variations but it depends on the circumstances (in-universe or out-universe, real world articles or character articles). Can you help provide some clarification?

I look forward to hearing your reply! Snivy The coolest Pokemon ever 22:16, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Ahhh, okay then! So I do use it and where I see someone is using the old style or where the old style is still on the article, I should convert it to the new “cite source” one in all cases (regardless of the article)? Snivy The coolest Pokemon ever 22:39, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Great! The wider editing base is aware of this change yes? Some editors appear to keep reverting my changes regarding this style; edit warring risks occurring it seems if editors aren’t aware and I keep having to change them back to the “cite source” style - loads more work too. Snivy The coolest Pokemon ever 17:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Executive decisions

When you've the time, Talk:Disney+ (in-universe) and Talk:Wild Blue Yonder (TV story) have stalled out discussion (imo) and could use an admin to make final calls on their topics. Najawin 23:08, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Page deletion

If you've the time, From the Doctor to My Son Thomas is just fundamentally flawed and should be deleted. It's blatantly plagiarized from wikipedia. Najawin 20:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Also, if you (or any admin who's online and reading talk pages) could have a look at Isaac Newton when you've the chance. The original IP user who accused me of violating T:NPOV is back and is vandalizing (#6) the page after Nate's ruling, refusing to accept it or move to the talk page. Blocking them and/or locking the page might be needed. (I'm removing myself as it's probably bordering on T:NO WARS here, even if it's technically vandalism.) Najawin 00:29, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Re:R4bp

As far as that thread goes, I'm perfectly willing to call that thread unresolved and start over, perhaps with a more narrow scope, or with a more structured framework for how to proceed. It's been two months just about since the last bit of movement there, and I'd have to reread the whole thing if there was a new response anyhow.

I do think there was some interesting lines of thought that we were working on, but the thread just became so long that there were, what, four, five of us who were engaged at the end? And those who tapped out earlier on missed out on just large swathes of that discussion. It seems a bit unreasonable for, in effect, four or five users to be having a discussion that's this foundational and everyone else to be filibustered out. But at the same time the issues at play are complicated and do require a lot of discussion. So there's just not a super clear answer here imo.

But I'd be willing to trust a third party admin, say Nate or Bongo, to call it unresolved and then open up a new thread with a more narrow scope or with specific rules of engagement (at least to begin with - something like analyzing Web Theory in particular in one thread, not discussing any other issues, or perhaps discussing how we deal with Roland Rat-esque situations and daisy chaining more broadly, etc etc) if you are. Najawin 18:20, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

That's fair enough, no worries. And I did have some idea as to what you've been so busy with, given the shiny new site and all. Najawin 19:38, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

User report.

Hello there. I suspect that user TheSuperMarioBros2023 is a sockpuppet account of Hulksmashtheworld/Theincrediblehulk2003/The Worldbreaker Hulk/Hulkbreaktheworld. That's all for now. --AzureKesil 09:46, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

RE: Missing thread

Ahh, I see. So the intention is simply transfer it to the Biography sub page, then just trim it down to roughly 3 sentences. In that case, it sounds relatively simple - it's less a complete rewrite or the article and simply just trimming it down a ton, with the original kept as a first draft to draw upon. Thank you for the addition! Snivy The coolest Pokemon ever 11:35, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Re:Templates and adaptions

I respectfully disagree. The "villain templates" are just for readers to get a quick look at which stories to look into to see where their favourite antagonists show up, hence we had that whole "when is a Dalek story a Dalek story and not just a story with the Daleks" debate a few years back. It's why the complete list of appearances is tagged on the bottom for a more deep dive into it.

What confuses me here is why there are now two editors adding The Giggle to the Toymaker's media box and not his first novelised story The Celestial Toymaker. And that's not even going into the bigger picture of then adding all adaptations to the other templates for consistency. Where would they go then? Would they get their own "Novelisations" group or be lumped in "Prose stories"? If the latter, how will we tell adapoted stories from original prose adventures? If the former, it will repentant because it's just repeating the TV stories in potentially anachronistic order.

Food for thought, BananaClownMan 14:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I meant the novelisations would be anachronistic in comparison to the their television originals, since the books were released at their own pace. For example, the Cybermen first appeared in novel form in the novelisation of The Moonbase, their second television serial. BananaClownMan 14:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

That is what I am trying to say. I'm just also noting that new editors unaware of the feature will most likely put them in episode order as opposed to release order, or reorganise them thinking they've been incorrectly placed due to being in the dark about the release order of the novelisations. It's just something to put into consideration if novelisations are to get their own group on character story templates. 14:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Pxrn uploads/vandalism

Looks like someone's bored and uploading inappropriate images here. — Fractal Doctor @ 20:35, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Master edits reply

Salutations. I wish to reply to you message on my talk page concerning my... "redrafts" of the Master pages, and hopefully clear up some confusion that seems to have taken place. Starting with the fact that I never intended my edits to come across as a redrafting of the articles. I started out updating them with some undocumented information, which I had intended to do when they were first individualised but never found the time before, and then took a closer look beforehand to see if there were anything else that needed editing.

Now, this cite source removal you mention. If you are referring to story links, you have me at a loss, since I actually went to great effort to avoid pasting over them when I was transferring updates from my Sandbox. But, if you are talking about the hyperlinks to the Master pages, like Delgado for the Master, I think there's been a misunderstanding on the intention. As I am sure you remember, we used to use those hyperlinks when Time Lord incarnations were on a single page to link the appropriate incarnation to the source. I even remember inventing some of them myself for this reason for the Rani and the Monk. Since incarnations now have their own page, I was simply cutting out the middle man when I could and just linking to the page the traditional way, like with the Tremas Master for example.

As for the this accusation, for lack of a better word, of removing information and my edits being "thoroughly out of order" and "wthout any clear justification", I'm afraid I must take umbrage with that. I'll tackle your comment from the Bruce Master about his bullet point on the "Echo" Master being moved to the Decayed Master first. Simply put, the "Echo" Master's bullet point was moved to the Decayed Master's page was because the information concerning the bullet point was on the Decayed Master's character profile, so it felt more appropriate to have the bullet point there for consistency.

Indeed, as I have said before, I too dislike when information is removed from an article, but sometimes bits have to be removed to avoid repetitiveness; why repeat the spirit of the same sentence when it can all be covered together in a paragraph?

As for your feedback mentioning some good being added that had to be reverted, in that you are correct, as many spelling and grammatical mistakes I fixed have been readded to the main article. For example, several "days to come" section are now covering the post-regenerations, again for lack of a proper term, instead of hints to the future heard from the past, or have been removed all together, and paragraphs are now starting behind images instead of underneath. As well as several valid updates to their psychological profiles, and the puzzling inclusion to the The Timeless Child citation on "References" to the source of the clips the Masters hail from, and the equally questionable removal of The Master's aliases from the character infobox. These reversions make me question why my edits were deemed "destructive", when, by all apparent accounts, they produced more positive updates than negative?

Now to clear up with I believe if the biggest misunderstand about this affair concerning my Sandboxes for the Master. I originally created them because the Master's incarnations were not individualised and comprised to a single page, which was hard to edit due to the sheer size, so I created the Sandbox pages to have a better editing space before moving the new information to the main page. Once the main page was separated into individual pages, the Sandboxes were no longer of any use, so I stopped editing them. I've only just now found the time to start transferring the information I never got round to adding to the main page over. I had actually thinking about putting some of the more redundant Sanboxes up for deletion once I had transferred the appropriate edits, only keeping the ones that delved into "head cannon", but I needed to sleep, so I stopped at the Saxon Master and planned to continue with Missy and the Spy Master before I started proposing deletions at a later date. So, as I hope I have explained, I do not intend to have my Sandboxes replace the main pages. I was just using them because they were easier to edit at the time.

For a final note, I'd like to tackle how you called my edits "unjustified". But, "unjustified" in what way? Do I have to write an explanation for every edits I make? Does that not go against good faith editing and my rights as a user to edit articles if I feel they need updating, and then justifying my actions when I revert an edit or restore my reverted contributions? What I'm trying to say is that I'd like more constructive feedback on this topic.

I hope you found this reply enlightening and satisfactory, Sincerely, BananaClownMan 19:22, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


With the image files, it's not really a policy. Images are just generally slotted between paragraphs. But, for some reason, editors are adding them to the beginning of the paragraphs, making it hard to tell when the image ends and the sentences begin.

I'm afraid I must disagree with your assertion that "Aliases of the Master" only applies to incarnations with multiple aliases. User:Epsilon the Eternal added Aliases of the Doctor to the Fifteenth Doctor to cover one nickname, and I believe the Masters' pages should follow a similar principle, if for no other reason than preparation for aliases future works will give them.

Truth be told, I've forgotten where "Backstory" came from. I think I just misread the "Origin" subheading on the Lumiat without noticing.

Am I right in understanding that the main problem with my edits is that I didn't fill in the edit description? If so I must apologies for this. You see, I have a communicational disability that can make getting my points across clear, so I usually only fill in the description box when it's completely necessary. The rest of the time, I just assume readers will see what my edits are and come to same conclusion I had for making them. I hope that helps you understand my actions regarding leaving them blank.

Sincerely, BananaClownMan 02:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I have some confusion on this biography reorganisation point I would like to cover before I start penning my full reply. Am I wrong in that you recently reorganised the Toymaker's timelined biography without a talkpage debate or even an explanation in the edit description box? It's just really confusing for me at the moment to read one while another is apparently being practised. BananaClownMan 02:53, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

QA

Honestly this looks so bad I think it might merit going to Czech and asking him to talk to the team involved before this is UCP 2.0. The mandatory 3 answers per page is, frankly, surreal.

As far as email goes, still the same hangups. At least in part because my email accounts involve my actual name and creating new ones is such a hassle these days. (Why do you need my phone # for verification? I don't want you to have that.) In absolutely, entirely, completely unrelated news, were you aware that a friend of mine and DAVIS's did a recent review on Alien Bodies on yt? Completely unrelated of course. Najawin 21:29, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Well, it's a very isolated place with very few prying eyes and everything is, importantly, deletable.
It's just a hangup for me. Past trauma. Maybe in a year or three. We can hope. Nothing personal, I promise, and I am working on it with a therapist. Najawin 22:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
I truly don't believe having an account there would be psychologically healthy for me. Addictive personalities run in my family and I've had bad experiences with social media usage in the past. While TBCotW was ongoing I noticed some bad behavior on my part without having an account and merely reading what others wrote. Only being able to interact as a guest places a rather large buffer there. Just. I'm fine finding out when everyone else does. I just wanted to make sure it was on people's radar as the problem I think it is. Najawin 23:14, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
(Ugh. Gah. I'll think about it. I do have a twitch, under a slightly different username, if you've one. I don't use whispers much on there, but given I technically already have it, you know.)
That's roughly my thoughts on the subject as well, but I brought up similar objections on their last blogpost about it and they just brushed them aside, saying that individual questions could be deleted so there'd be no problem. I think it's a UCP problem all over again, they're starting with small wikis and scaling up, so haven't thought about the unique problems that large wikis present. Najawin 23:49, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
'This user has turned on "Block Whispers from Strangers" in their privacy settings and must start a conversation with you first.' Najawin 00:19, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism

Didn't take long for a vandal to come along. User 172.70.90.79 is posting inappropriate vandalism on the Thirteenth Doctor and other pages. Same goes for 172.71.134.112. FractalDoctor 00:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Nice of them to allow the testing of the block feature. I guess it was sadly to be expected that we'd get some vandals since the new URL has been widely promoted on social media (and one platform in particular). Sigh. Thanks for the blocks though. You admins are great :) FractalDoctor 00:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Block bug?

Morning Scrooge. I woke up earlier to find I was seemingly blocked until August 2024 for "vandalism" - however I have been editing both versions of the Wiki for years now and I'm not sure what happened? I have since refreshed a few times and now I am able to edit pages again. Just flagging it up - is it a bug? (Also, I did notice that when I was blocked it was impossible to get in touch with an admin on site, as it prevented me from adding to / editing Talk pages too. Is there a workaround for such cases?) Hopefully it was a weird glitch in the Matrix! — Fractal Doctor 09:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Twitch

Oh that's a bother. From googling it seems like this is something they toggle from time to time. And yeah, I saw OS12 migrated over after I asked that. Najawin 01:17, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Hey, about the thing we discussed earlier, what's your math background? I'll start with a rough outline based on that and figure out how I'll get it to you. Najawin 22:37, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Block

Hi. I've just found I've seemingly been blocked until 26 August. The notice gives the reason of vandalism and states the block started 26 Feb (which I know is incorrect as I was editing earlier today). Guessing it's some kind of bug. I've noticed User:FractalDoctor posted something on your talk page recently and it looks to be a similar issue. I'll keep refreshing as they did and see if that solves it. Thanks. 66 Seconds 20:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I had this on my first day here, then again the other day. A few refreshes resolved it. I also flagged it up here: https://tardis.wiki/wiki/Forum:General_Discussion_of_the_Fork#Bugs/fixes/etc. × Fractal 21:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
What's especially odd is that, looking at Special:BlockList, no one was blocked on that date, so it's not even that you're getting assigned someone else's block.
×   SOTO contribs ×°//]   💬| {/-//:   21:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Re:SB

No, that's what everyone thought at first! But then in the airlock scene we went entirely the other way. That the episode seems nominally pro choice, but the underlying ethos it's asking us to adopt is simply pro life + pro welfare. (Treating the bogeyman as identical to the others, saying you save them all, etc etc.) Again, don't think this was intentional. I think it was Davies using iconography without a ton of care, being sloppy, and getting this result. Najawin 00:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I simply disagree, if you're going to invoke that analogy, and then compare the villain to the harmless, helpless, babies in this way, and use this as justification for saving them, I think that's going to inevitably stir up the metaphor again. Perhaps, however, this is influenced by the fact that when the parthenogenesis machine did the analysis for the composition on the bogey monster our immediate guess was unfinished, uncompleted babies rather than snot. (Frankly I didn't think RtD would be so juvenile on the opener. Ah, to be so optimistic as myself only 4 days ago.) So that might have colored how we read the airlock scene. Najawin 01:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Did you?

Did you really do that just to get back at him for saying we were all coping? (I already made him read the The Cosmology of the Spiral Politic (feature) article, he's just being stubborn.) Najawin 03:34, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Well that certainly answers my question, but I was thinking of T-Time, in light of the discussion this past week with SB Audio and the nature of Time Lords/the Doctor. Najawin 03:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

FP forum

Just refreshed it after the new episode for, uh, obvious reasons. If you have admin perms you might want to check in, someone posted some spam in the last day. Cheers. Najawin 02:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Topical Pages

Might it be worth adding Sutekh to the list of topical pages? Fractal 13:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

IP user removing delete tags

So the IP user who's been doing all the colour/clothing/pattern edits lately I've noticed has been removing {{merge}} and {{delete}} instances on a few pages (Baldric and Celadon (colour) being the latest examples I've noticed). I'm not sure if there's much that can be done but I thought it should be brought to an admin's attention. - CodeAndGin | 🗨 | 19:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Passing on a recommendation

Ah. So, I came across a book that's currently on sale on Amazon, rather massively so. Since it seems to be relatively well written on a topic we've discussed before, and is a history written in a way I thought you might appreciate, I figured I'd pass it along. Even if it is, well, Amazon. Najawin 02:55, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

IP editor removing deletion tags and reverting edits

Hello, Scrooge. I think admin attention is needed with regard to the IP user's 2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:B548:8648:AF80:33B0 edits.

They have been repeatedly reverting the removal of categories for "human war criminals" and "human war heroes" from several articles. Other editors and I had been removing them as in most of these cases there are no sources referring to them as such, and the IP editor's edit summaries only seem to be opinion based. There was a discussion on this on at Category talk:Human war criminals, as a lot of the articles added appeared to be T:NO RW violations. They have also continually removed the deletion tags from "human war heroes" and "war heroes", two categories which they created. I have reverted their edits twice and have attempted to direct them to talk pages, but they have ignored this. Unfortunately, this isn't the first time they've done this. BlueSupergiant 23:03, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

They're back again, as 2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:F8C3:883:E4A8:3972 this time, doing the same sort of overcat-ing and removal of delete tags. I am wholly convinced they are the same editor as from yesterday, and from my post a couple weeks ago (also the IP always has the same 4 numbers at the start: "2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01", which when taking their editing habits and writing style into account makes me fairly sure it's the same user). - CodeAndGin | 🗨 | 01:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
"2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:1BA:2728:183E:9D51" this time (at least the most recent one; there have been 3 different IPs with the same beginning numbers and editing patterns today; I don't believe they're switching IPs to circumvent the blocks, just that they have a dynamic one, which unfortunately makes tracking their edits a Sisyphean task) - CodeAndGin | 🗨 | 12:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Re: Notes

Oh! Well, in that case, my bad. @Tsumioni made me realise we have a large inconsistency, as 90% of pages still have "Story notes". Thanks for clearing that up. I've also left a note on @Tsumioni's talk page. Fractal 00:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Talking dog

Sorry, my mistake! I'm usually the one leaving messages on these pages so I usually do check. And I'm generally very thorough with doing the mergers as they're a tricky / tedious thing to do, and it's often in the back of my mind that messing up these things are hard to undo. --Tangerineduel / talk 13:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Re:Quantum

Look, I get it. Rationally I know this. But when people start saying stuff like

the most provocative claims quantum physics makes is that observed objects are affected by that observation [...] importantly, it took not a scientist, but a historian, to realise the implication of that statement. Michel Foucault, a French historian, realised that it if the world was shaped by us, then we could change the world by changing how we thought

it just hits far too close to home to very real mistakes made by academics in the real world. Najawin 18:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

(FYI, since I know you're a tumblr user, you might appreciate this VOD, since wordpress owns tumblr. Somewhat relevant. Also open source/trademark stuff.) Najawin 02:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Categories being wrongly added/deleted

Hi Scrooge, there's an IP user adding "war criminal" to pages which don't warrant it, and I believe they have been told to not do this previously. Might it be worth a forum topic to discuss only allowing logged in users to add categories, so this doesn't get abused? Fractal 14:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Uncategorised Templates

Hi Scrooge,

Would you be able to add a category to each of the templates currently on Special:UncategorizedTemplates using , as they're all locked for editing by admins only.

Thanks, SID'gingerfool'RAT - 🔎 |📂|📝 22:22, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning it all up :) SID'gingerfool'RAT - 🔎 |📂|📝 13:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

2023

Hi, I'm currently in the middle of trying to update the release date pages so the year and day pages match up. I noticed you reverted several of my edits to 2023 (releases), and I'm curious as to why. SilverSunbird 23:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for clearing that up. SilverSunbird 23:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

A wrongly set up section redirect within ns:4

Hello. Your recent redirect move la, Tardis:TARDIS links not to the section on Tardis:Character names entitled #The TARDIS, but just to #TARDIS, which doesn't exist… There's not really an obvious choice of talk page to raise that issue on, so I'm just asking you directly. Thanks. The preceding unsigned comment was added by JSmith5504 (talk • contribs) .

As I happened to see this, I corrected it quickly. Bongo50 15:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

NOTCOVERED

Re your edit to Auteur and the Homeworld (poem), could you point out where this has been established? I don't recall the phasing out of NOTCOVERED, only changing from NC to that. And certainly if there hasn't been a discussion over it T:BOUND would support its continued usage? Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 14:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I had thought current practise pointed in the opposite direction for continuity sections too, but it seems I was mistaken. Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 14:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Unnecessary category redirects

Hi Scrooge, would you be able to delete Category:4DA Series 9 audio story images and Category:The Fourth Doctor Adventures Series 9 audio anthology images, as they are both unused and unnecessary; only existing because of mistakes whilst moving categories. The source code seems to be locked for them both though, so I can't put a delete tag there myself.

Ta, SID'gingerfool'RAT - 🔎 |📂|📝 13:27, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah right, sounds fine. Just wanted to make you aware of it ˙ᵕ˙ SID'gingerfool'RAT - 🔎 |📂|📝 14:59, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Colour Locking

Hi Scrooge,

Given the ongoing drama with an IP User(s) at Green, could it be worth locking all colour pages to registered users only, to prevent the ongoing edit wars with IP users that are trying to break Tardis:Colour spectrum policy with their own conjecture?

SID'gingerfool'RAT - 🔎 |📂|📝 15:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Re:Muppets

That comment was more about the DWU-ness of it all. Najawin 00:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Re: Coleman likeness

I'll diplomatically say that the likeness isn't striking. Jack 13:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Template:Jennies

Thanks for your input on creating the Template:Jennies navbox. Some of the unnamed pages are not necessarily concrete. I can update them when I get round to making them. One final question, is there anyone who can help the Star Cops Wiki with their navboxes? I just can't get them to work. I don't understand what the problem is and I'm truly not clever enough to make it work - definitely not clever enough to fiddle with CSS.

Let me know if anyone can help out over at the Star Cops Wiki. I have tried following the lessons over at the Fandom official help articles and they just don't make sense to me. If not, I understand.

Matthew / Thefartydoctor 17:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks again for all your help, I've dropped them a message. Thefartydoctor 18:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC)