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== Re: Re: Apology ==
You'll get no more clarity from me. I ignored you for a reason because you, like always, were going round in circles to get the final word. You are an admin, act like it. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:24, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


== When you have time. ==
== btw ==


Obviously the preferred state of affairs is an inclusion debate, but could you make a preliminary ruling on [[Doctor Who Comes to MINECRAFT! (webcast)]] being valid or invalid? There seems to be some disagreement whether we should prima facie regard this as a trailer or not. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:53, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
You might want to protect [[Doctor Who]] (just because that page probably should be protected) and block the vandal. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


== Sandbox ==
== Admin help ==


So the charity stuff was going to more be directed at ''validity'', since, as you stated, we do cover some BBC charity work. But to my knowledge ''[[Adventures in Lockdown]]'' has some of the first valid charity works, if not the first. As for Time, fair play if there's upcoming stuff there, but my concern was more that there are other personifications of time that occasionally use the name Time that ''aren't'' merged with that page. Hence by that standard we should either be splitting the page or merging it with, say, [[Father of Time]]. Obviously that's subject to change if new details manifest, and given that we're one month shy of two years without forums, I'm sure that it'll be resolved before we get the forums back. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:14, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Can I get an admin's eyes on [[Forum:TV Comic & other periodical issues]]? I just feel like I've been attacked in a very inappropriate way. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 05:37, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
:Also, when you have the time, I'd appreciate input at [[Talk:You Are The Absurd Hero (short story)]], since I assume you've read it. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:09, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
::Oh, [[Socrates]], you. I'm not sure it does, it says "the likes of [[AUDIO]]: ''[[Flip-Flop (audio story)|Flip-Flop]]''", and specifically references the "choose your own adventure" style. That's not the only nonlinear style of storytelling though. And this is why I think a thread is needed, because the limits of this were never really hashed out, this happened when the forums were down. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:14, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
:::Another sandbox thing, when you have the time and inclination, we all sort of read [[T:BOUND]] as saying "don't make large changes to multiple pages/the wiki as a whole without talking about it - tacit approval/active editing from editors/admins itself constitutes some degree of policy" (see, for instance, [[User talk:Shambala108#Community consensus]] and [[Talk:Hugh Grant]]). I've listed this as something that I might want to start a thread on, but, honestly, I'm not sure a thread is needed, it might be something that could just be written into [[T:BOUND]] without any discussion, since it does seem to be how everyone seems to interpret that rule afaik. Obviously you'd know best, but I figured I'd bring the issue up. Cheers. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:15, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


== The Spiral Politic Database ==
== The Encyclopedia ==


So, fun topic here, [[The Spiral Politic Database]] has some subsections here that are redlinked. I'm more than willing to write up treatments of them, but I have a question or two. [[Crimes Against History (short story)|Crimes Against History]] and [[The Eleven-Day Empire: A Tour of the Capital (short story)| A Tour of the Capital]] have details on publishing dates and authors. I, uh, ''can't find that'' for the redlinked stories. (Well, I don't even think the stories in question are particularly narrative, but I digress.) (Also, I guess the page for TSPD would imply that they were all uploaded on 14 September 2002, but this doesn't help with the authors, and it's also not sourced. The Wayback machine isn't fine-grained enough to prove this.) I asked Nate if he knew, and if someone can scrounge up an answer that's great, but, in all honesty, given the nature of this, (a web article from 20 years ago that probably a few hundred people max even read at the time) I'm skeptical. Given that, should I make the pages ''sans'' publication dates/author fields? That's, uh, interesting precedent if it's the first time we've done that. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
An example.
 
:''Coffa: One of Jabe’s associates from the Forest of Cheem aboard Platform One. He was distressed to hear of Jabe’s death from the Doctor. (1 .2) (Played by PAUL CASEY)''
== BBV scripts ==
[[User:MrThermomanPreacher|MrThermomanPreacher]] [[User talk:MrThermomanPreacher|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:11, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 
Honestly, I'm thinking about breaking down and making an AO3 or something. But I don't plan on doing the BBV stuff until after [[User:Najawin/Sandbox 2]] is dealt with, so don't worry about it for now. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:32, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 
== Subpages proposal ==
Hi Scrooge, I've recently put the finishing coat of polish on [[User:NateBumber/Sandbox/1]], [[T:SUBPAGE]] for short. It's, uhh, it's not short, but it's thorough, and I've also spelled out why I think it could be accomplished without waiting for the forums. If you get the chance to look it over and let me know what you think, I'd really appreciate it! – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 17:34, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 
== Some small issues when you're free ==
 
Hey. [[User:Shambala108]]'s been less active recently, so I figured I'd reach out to you about an issue I left on her talk page. Could you read through [[Talk:Origins (comic story)]] when you have the chance and comment as to the precedent? There's some disagreement between a newer user with Epsilon and myself. Similarly, if you could talk to [[User:Sum41Champ]] at some point about their edits that would be lovely. I honestly don't know how to handle this whole situation, I don't think someone actively trying to engage should be blocked, but they constantly do things that Shambala has told them not to do (and that Nate and I have advised them are a bad idea), leading me to basically just read all of their edits to make sure they're not breaking anything. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:23, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 
== Crikeytown ==
 
You've read [[The Crikeytown Cancellations (short story)|The Crikeytown Cancellations]], right? Would you say that the minor instances in panels 60 and 61 constitute additions to [[Obverse Books (Letter from the Editor)|Obverse Books]]? This is a really weird story to deal with as far as wiki policy is concerned. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:54, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
:It's just the whole varying levels of fiction thing is something the wiki has never had super duper clear policies on. Thanks, I'll make a note. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:19, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
::So I'm unaware of the [[An Ordinary Man (novel)|An Ordinary Man]] situation, and it seems that this is in the archived forums. Can't comment on that. As for [[Legacies (short story)|Legacies]]... Well... That's a messy issue. Regardless, you're probably right that
:::: They say that UK copyright law does not consider references in fiction to someone else's IP to be a breach of copyright.
::does establish the precedent, though it seems from some quick googling that UK copyright law seems to think this because UK copyright law for fictional characters is largely unwritten. So it may be that this will change in the future. But looks like you're right for now. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
:::So, minor detail. For Paddy Whack and Bossy Boots, I'd prefer to give them the Dunfunnin individuals category, rather than the Crikeytown individuals one. Not a huge deal, can change if need be. The issue is that to do so, rule of 3 says I need three things to make a category, and I'd rather not make a page for Gunga Din 2000. Just a bad look. So would you suggest I ignore the rule of 3 or just stick them in the Crikeytown individuals category? [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
::::Someone went ahead and made the page, blatantly plagiarizing my work. Moot point now I guess. Just an area I'm a little uncomfortable with. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:06, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 
== Discussions AbuseFilter ==
 
Hey! A new feature is available on Discussions - Discussions AbuseFilter (DAF). This is designed to be a tool to help moderation on Discussions, if certain behaviours are being disruptive and making manual moderation difficult:
 
* [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Special:DiscussionsAbuseFilter DAF page (not enabled yet but I can do)]
* [https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DToast/Introducing_Discussions_AbuseFilter Announcement blog]
* [https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Discussions_AbuseFilter Help page]
 
Not compulsory for anyone to use it etc, just letting you know it's here. As a note about forums, I have asked Czech about it and I know he is aware it's still needed. If I can help with anything though, please give me a shout on here or Discord! --[[User:Spongebob456|Spongebob456]] <sup>[[User talk:Spongebob456|talk]]</sup> <staff/> 20:34, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 
== Question about User Sandboxes/Subpages ==
 
So I just had a thought. And I figured I would ask an admin. I did a careful reading of [[T:NO FANFIC]], [[T:NOT HOST]], [[T:USER BAD]], [[T:USER FANFIC]], and even [[Forum:Charity anthology short stories]]. There's no ''explicit'' forbiddance of a user creating a sandbox to talk about a charity story, or a story that's supposed to be set in the DWU but rights issues fell through. The only thing that could be read that way is
: but which have nothing to do with the DWU
In [[T:USER BAD]], but these things do have to do with the DWU in a broad sense, and the narrow sense given in the linked article also means we shouldn't talk about invalid sources in sandboxes. Which is obviously not policy.
Now this is me just spitballing here, hence why I'm asking an admin if it's kosher, or if it's something that we should probably have a thread about, or something that's just going to be fundamentally nixed because "we don't cover those" - even though this is a separate namespace. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
::I was actually thinking [https://factionparadox.boards.net/thread/45/force-majeure-faction-paradox-novel?page=1&scrollTo=532 Force Majeure] at some point. Or perhaps The Other Side of the World. (I was also thinking that it would be a potential solution in some far off future if we ever revisit the problem of [[Charity publication]]. Splitting wikis tends to shrink editor base, so it seemed like a potential "compromise".) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:52, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 
== Vandal ==
 
Hi there’s a vandal 180.194.22.76 who keeps vandalising the Many Lives of Doctor Who page as well as others [[User:Valeyard12.5|Valeyard12.5]] [[User talk:Valeyard12.5|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:37, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 
== Vandal ==
 
Hi there is a user whose vandalising Dinosaurs on a Spaceship. He appears to be a repeat offender and sock puppet [[User:Valeyard12.5|Valeyard12.5]] [[User talk:Valeyard12.5|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:54, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 
Hey Scrooge,
 
I saw you added some of [[The Train in Vain and the Junkmail Messiah (comic story)]] images last year, do you happen to know how to get a copy? I can't find it anywhere. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
: You're awesome thank you! Don't suppose you know how to find a copy of the Miranda comic too? [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
:: Again, thank you so much! Has that only just been made available? I've searched for it on those sites before not long ago. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:33, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 
== Could you please add Chinese interlanguage link to Main Page ==
 
Hello,
 
We have established Chinese Doctor Who Wiki. Could you please add Chinese interlanguage link to Main Page? Thank you for any help you can offer!
 
-[[User:LittlePaw365|LittlePaw365]] [[User talk:LittlePaw365|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:31, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
: Thank you for your reply! I looked into your Main Page's source code, and I think <code><nowiki>[[zh:]]</nowiki></code> would be okay. The full link should be <code><nowiki>[[zh:神秘博士百科全书]]</nowiki></code> if necessary. [[User:LittlePaw365|LittlePaw365]] [[User talk:LittlePaw365|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:31, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
:: It works now! Again, thank you for all your help! [[User:LittlePaw365|LittlePaw365]] [[User talk:LittlePaw365|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:57, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 
== Tellymustard ==
Could you please have a word with User:Tellymustard. They've recently been moving stories on the timeline pages based solely on release order and episodes productions, which have been causing more harm than good. Their recent edit of moving ''Midnight'' to before ''Silence of the Library'' on the Tenth Doctor theory, and moving stories that directly follow ''Forest of the Dead'' to before it due to their relation to ''Midnight'' filled me with such a rage I nearly went to their talk page to tell them to stop, but I managed to temper myself after I logged on. Instead, I thought I'd come to an admin instead to voice my frustrations, since a word from them might have more impact than a rant from me, since I'll probably get blocked for my feedback becoming a personnel attack, and I'd rather avoid that while I'm in the middle of editing Tenth Doctor articles.
 
Something else I wanted to get off my chest is that they had recently been sending me repeated messages to respond to a talk page that made me feel harassed by them, but I think my message to them to stop was heard.
 
Apologies for disturbing you with this, but I thought I should bring it up to someone with authority.
Many thanks for listening,
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:35, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 
:I am genuinely sorry. I shouldn’t of done that, you should of gone to my talk page and given me what I deserve. [[User:Tellymustard|Tellymustard]] [[User talk:Tellymustard|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:17, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 
: I'd have to second BananaClownMan's request so as to avoid an edit war at [[Theory:Timeline - Eleventh Doctor]]. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:37, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 
:: And I don't think their edit summary at said page reading "''They are though. Now stop. They have been this whole fucking time''" is appropriate. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:04, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 
::: Sorry to message a third time, but I'd consider the latest edit summary on [[Theory:Timeline - Thirteenth Doctor]] ("''next time fix it and don’t be an nasty American''") a personal attack. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 
: I agree with User:Jack "BtR" Saxon that some admin intervention is required, and that whatever actions they decide to be appropriate should be taken regarding User:Tellymustard's actions and words; since recently joining the wiki, they have brought disorder to timelines, insisted on changes that were slowly undone from discusions on talk pages, harassed editors to reply to talk pages without considering what they might be doing in their personnel lives that might be delaying such actions, made rude comments and engaged in foul language against a fellow editor, the last two can be seen [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Theory:Timeline_-_Thirteenth_Doctor?action=history&curid=227085 here]. I'd go so far as to say these could be considered violations of the "no personnel attacks" rule, but that is for an admin to decide, and since User:Scrooge MacDuck is the only admin that contributes to timeline pages these days, I believe they can make the most unbiased decision.[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:56, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
::I have mixed feelings on [[User talk:Tellymustard]] which also likely includes personal attacks. On the one hand, yeah, white Americans are pretty awful, speaking as one myself. On the other, it's not really something you should use as an insult, it's more a self deprecating joke. Similar to how a lot of left wing Brits complain about how they're British. My ''personal'' view is "who among us hasn't violated [[T:NPA]]", this alone gets an eye roll from me. It's rude and should be addressed, but not the end of the world. The real issue is that he's continuing to be disruptive after other users have repeatedly asked him not to be, and isn't even slowing down. This isn't a DiS situation where we had a very high quality editor who just couldn't stop getting into fights every few days. DiS frustrated me, but I was perfectly willing to tolerate him for the work he did. This is someone who's repeatedly being disruptive in how they edit ''and'' constantly being rude to people. At the very least they need time to cool off and think about how we edit things imo. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:13, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 
:::I really should of first gone onto the talk page for my edits on ten and eleven’s timeline. I also harrased bananaclownman which I think I really should get some sort of punishment for. I know this isn’t helping my case but I think on thirteens timeline both me and jack (Is that what we call you? Or are we supposed to use your full username?) well I think both me and jack did some things we shouldn’t of though. Jack should of gave me time to fix my edits before he reverted them again. Also I was unclear about what he was talking about, I thought he was talking about the good doctor being italicized not it takes you away. But I shouldn’t of snapped at him like that and I shouldn’t of called him a American. [[User:Tellymustard|Tellymustard]] [[User talk:Tellymustard|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:32, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 
: It's too late to try and salvage the situation. Now you have made offensive language towards other users and made racial remarks by using "Nasty albino Americans" to describe someone you thought was being "nasty" to you when their only crime was correcting an error in your editing judgment, but have also invaded what was to be a message for User:ScroogeMacDuck alone and made a mountain out of a mole hill by continuing this harassing behavior, I fear I can only recommend that User:Tellymustard be exiled from the wiki for however long an admin believes is warranted for conduct unbecoming an editor. I'm only sorry that User:ScroogeMacDuck has to take time out of what I imagine is a busy schedule to intervene.[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:45, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 
:: I didn’t continue harrassing. I am sorry for harrassing you on your talk page. I also was not racist, all I said was that white male americans are generally not good people, and it is also not racist because I am a white male american. [[User:Tellymustard|Tellymustard]] [[User talk:Tellymustard|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:23, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 
::: I'm gay but it absolutely wouldn't be acceptable for me to say that another user is acting like a nasty homosexual. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:28, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 
::::I am sorry for using the term albino I see how that is descriminatory. The homosexual example is different because gay people haven’t done anything bad. White male americans are sometimes fascists (ex: nerdrotic). But I see how that comment might of offended some people and I shouldn’t of been that extreme. I am not against Americans, my best friend is a white American lesbian. I simply dislike nazis and I am sorry for making such a généralisation. Not all white male Americans are facsist, just some are. [[User:Tellymustard|Tellymustard]] [[User talk:Tellymustard|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:40, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 
::::: I think we've given Scrooge enough to think about here. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:55, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 
::::::When I think about it I am sorry for the whole statement. [[User:Tellymustard|Tellymustard]] [[User talk:Tellymustard|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:02, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 
==Vandals==
 
Could you lock [[Series 14 (Doctor Who)]], [[Series 15 (Doctor Who)]], and [[The Many Lives of Doctor Who (comic story)]] to only autoconfirmed users for a while? They've been repeated targets for vandals. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:10, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 
== BBC DVD covers ==
 
Hi, I've been gathering every BBC DVD cover image on the wiki into one of my sandboxes, in order to see where there are any missing covers or duplicates.
 
Pop over and have a look, and feel free to upload any of the missing covers.
 
[[User:Doc77can/sandbox12]]
 
P.S. I'm messaging several users so check the upload log first.
 
[[User:Doc77can|Doc77can]] [[User talk:Doc77can|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:29, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 
== Speedy rename ==
 
Hi there,
Seems I made a little booboo on the page currently called "[[No Go Tro Fo Wo]]", which should be called "[[No Go Flo Tro Wo]]". I've left a speedyrename, which I had to revise on how to do it, since it's been ages since I've done one. If you get two second, could you hop on over? I've relistened to the audio several times and immediately spotted the error.
 
Thanks in advance,
[[User:Thefartydoctor|<font color="blue">The</font><font color="silver">Farty</font><font color="red">Doctor</font>]] [[User talk:Thefartydoctor|<small><sup><font color="green">Talk</font></sup></small>]] 18:44, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 
== Oversized images ==
 
Hi, Scrooge. I've gone through and shrunk a few hundred images larger than the 100 KB, but it's a tiring task.
 
I'm not sure what the admins can do about it, but [[Special:ListFiles/Danniesen|there's a lot of images]] [[Special:ListFiles/DJAitch|that exceed the limit]] [[Special:ListFiles/Doc77can|that I haven't got around to]]. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:47, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 
== Dalek ==
 
Hi there, hoping this finds you well. I'd just like to clarify the position on the pages [[Dalek War Machine]], [[Mark II Travel Machine]] and [[Skaro City Dalek]] as I am somewhat confused. I personally feel that all three should stand as their own pages though I guess it depends on how one defines the subjects. "Dalek War Machine" as I understand refers to the original Daleks from the [[Yarvelling]] origin story in ''[[Genesis of Evil (comic story)|Genesis of Evil]]'', though the page on it has come to cover all appearances by Daleks without [[slat]]s. "Mark II Travel Machine", the page for which I created not too long ago, is the equivalent of the War Machines in the [[Davros]] origin story, with ''[[The History of the Daleks (short story)|The History of the Daleks]]'' identifying slats as a distinguishing feature of the [[Mark III Travel Machine]]. I'm not entirely sure that one title should redirect to the other considering the different origin stories, my motivation for the "Mark II Travel Machine" article, and indeed the "Mark III Travel Machine" which was itself a redirect to [[casing]] (though evidently not all Dalek casings are necessarily Mark III Travel Machines) for the longest time, was to capture these pieces of Dalek history with what was relevant to them for the purposes of simplicity.
 
Then there is the matter of "Skaro City Dalek". Making use of a conjectural title from ''[[Doctor Who: Figurine Collection]]'', it was my intention for the page to be based on the faction of Daleks seen in ''[[The Daleks (TV story)|The Daleks]]'', who may have been wiped out at the end of that story or went on to form the [[Dalek Empire]] with the [[Genesis Dalek]]s. Though it turns out ''[[Dalek Survival Guide (novel)|Dalek Survival Guide]]'' uses the name as a valid source, it may complicate matters somewhat by applying it to Daleks living in the city post-''The Daleks'', thus designating the [[silver Dalek]]s from ''[[The Evil of the Daleks (TV story)|The Evil of the Daleks]]'' as later Skaro City Daleks. (Perhaps had it been published this year it would have counted ''[[The Magician's Apprentice (TV story)|The Magician's Apprentice]]''/''[[The Witch's Familiar (TV story)|The Witch's Familiar]]''.) Truth be told I'm not entirely sure how this issue should be settled but I will propose my rough idea. To repeat, I feel that "Dalek War Machine" and "Mark II Travel Machine" should be separate pages, though the history of the slatless Daleks should be kept somewhere. Regarding "Skaro City Dalek", I feel there may be a need for some sort of clear-up since, from where I'm standing, I don't see much of a difference between that page and "Dalek War Machine". [[User:MrThermomanPreacher|MrThermomanPreacher]] [[User talk:MrThermomanPreacher|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:30, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 
:: Thanks for the quick reply. I don't entirely agree that ''The Daleks'' faction does not need a page but I'll put that aside for now. Though I can see how "Dalek War Machine" and "Mark II Travel Machine" may link to the same thing, I'm still not exactly sure what the difference between "Dalek War Machine" and "Skaro City Dalek" is as their pages stand now, perhaps because admittedly I haven't really considered much of a difference between variants and casings. For instance, I see [[Special Weapons Dalek]]s, [[Defence Drone]]s and the like as Dalek variants that are distinguished by their casings, though I recognise that there are Dalek creatures such as the [[Dalek Prime]], the [[Black Dalek Leader]] and the [[Reconnaissance Dalek]] that go through multiple casings. I guess there is the [[Imperial Dalek]] faction, which encompasses the [[Necros Dalek]] casings. Would that sort of thing be happening here? I'm just trying to figure out where exactly "Dalek War Machine" ends and "Skaro City Dalek" begins. At the risk of complicating this further there is the [[Dalek Earthforce]] who also don't have slats. Would they count as "Dalek War Machines", "Skaro City Daleks", both or neither? [[User:MrThermomanPreacher|MrThermomanPreacher]] [[User talk:MrThermomanPreacher|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:13, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 
:: So "Dalek War Machine" is the casing and the "Skaro City Dalek" the mutant... but "Skaro City Dalek" is your "proper name for the slatless Daleks"? If "Skaro City Dalek" refers to mutants then it sounds like a faction to me, and I'm not sure where that faction ends. Barring isolated "impurities" like the [[Mutant Dalek|Red Rocket Rising Daleks]] and the aforementioned Defence Drones I could see this going to the "present day" Daleks in the [[post-Time War universe]]. I'm beginning to see your point that "Skaro City Dalek" is not necessarily the best name here. [[User:MrThermomanPreacher|MrThermomanPreacher]] [[User talk:MrThermomanPreacher|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:30, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 
:: Ok. So the "Skaro City Dalek" is a type of [[Dalek drone]]. Indeed, that is what I see when I read the lead on the article. So by this definition individuals such as the [[Red Dalek Leader]] and the [[Black Dalek Leader]] would not be "Skaro City Daleks" despite their use of slatless casings... these casings would be "Dalek War Machines", wouldn't they? As I understand it now "Skaro City Dalek" is an early, if not the original incarnation of the Dalek drone, a predecessor to later "incarnations" such as the slatted [[Silver Dalek]]s, the [[Grey Dalek]]s, the [[Bronze Dalek]]s and the [[Red Drone]]s? [[User:MrThermomanPreacher|MrThermomanPreacher]] [[User talk:MrThermomanPreacher|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:48, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 
:: Alright. So "Dalek War Machines" are slatless casings, and "Skaro City Dalek" is the drone caste in this early, slatless Dalek Empire. I guess that answers the question as to when they end, that is naturally they both end when slats are added to the mix and we have a [[Dalek Supreme Type A|slatted Black Dalek]] leading Silver Dalek drones, then [[Dalek Supreme Type 3|slatted Gold Dalek]]s leading Grey Dalek drones etc. Thank you for taking the time to explain. [[User:MrThermomanPreacher|MrThermomanPreacher]] [[User talk:MrThermomanPreacher|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:03, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 
== Harassment report ==


==Dirk Gently==
Hi Scrooge,
Hi Scrooge,
You said at [[Talk:The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (series)]] that you were going to make a thread on Dirk Gently. Do you mind if I make it, as I have a vague idea of how to do it, or do you want to do it? [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]]  13:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)


I'm coming here to tell you that I think I've been severely let down by the admins. For a while now I have felt harassed and hounded by [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon]] and have repeatedly asked for them to leave me alone/cease contact with me altogether (if they have a problem I don't see why they can't pass it onto an admin instead of contacting someone they know is uncomfortable with them). Every single time I edit on this site I am instantly contacted by them with unfriendly messages and accusations. In the past I've been accused of edit warring, among other things, and I've just been accused of "willfully ignoring" the site rules. I've reached the end of my tether and so I'm contacting Wiki directly to ask them what my next steps should be. ''No user should be forced to interact with another user that constantly makes them feel the way I've been made to.''
: Okay. [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]]  13:17, 24 September 2023 (UTC)


They will attempt to portray themselves as simply challenging my "rule breaks" but there is a way that this should be done. I have tried to take the advice aboard - as can be seen with my latest image upload where I tried in vain to amend the image size; https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Liberation_of_the_Daleks_(comic_story)?oldid=3366684 but then had to revert it here https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Liberation_of_the_Daleks_(comic_story)?oldid=3366685 as I'd clearly done it wrong.
== Popping in to ask ==


It is a massive breach of [[Tardis:No personal attacks|T:NPA]] to accuse another user of "willfully ignoring" the rules especially. You can't simply tell a user to do something and accuse them of intentionally going against the rules when they don't instantly know how to do it (nowhere has this user shown me how to do these things other than pointing me towards [[Help:Image cheat card]]). [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:15, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
How's [[User:Najawin/Sandbox 9]]'s sections (in terms of subsections + pictures? - best to scroll down a bit for best effect) this time? [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:59, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
:Alright, so whenever you think that should go live. (Obviously others can edit whenever they wish. Changes are still desired, especially since there's no S13 summary.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:16, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
::Could you push them live when you have the time? Cheers. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:26, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


: I attempted to resize the image while uploading, but it uploaded anyway at the wrong size. There was an "advanced" section upon uploading so I used the custom size dial there but it didn't seem to work. So, I thought better to just go into it and shrink the image down and I planned to ask for help at a later point but before I could even think about doing that the message from Jack came through.
== Companions of the 13th Doctor template action request. ==


: I personally think it is outrageous that there is no rules in place regarding harassment, so I am still going to contact Wiki (maybe even simply to suggest that they install that as a rule going forward?). Fair enough if someone demands nobody contact them that's a whole different matter, but this is one user who has continuously hounded me with messages I've found to be accusatory or unpleasant. Anyway, I thank you for dealing with this instant so swiftly. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:48, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
As the Template for the Companions of the 13th Doctor is Locked (for good reasons), and I have suggested adding [[Different (Canaries)]]to the template but no one has replied to this (also understandable most people can be very busy). So I am making my pitch to you because on the talk page you have been the only active admin.
at the end of [[The Paradox Moon (short story)]]Siblijg Different now going by Mae sets of into the universe travelling with the 13th Doctor. May I thus suggest you ad Different to said template, thank you. [[User:Anastasia Cousins|Anastasia Cousins]] [[User talk:Anastasia Cousins|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:24, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


:: I just wanted to update you on my findings after having contacted Wikia itself about my perceived harassment. They were helpful in leading me to [[community:Help:Harassment_and_bullying|this page on Community Central]]. One case of harassment is clearly given as ''"Repeatedly contacting someone who has asked you to stop."'' I have lost count of how many times I have asked this user to stop contacting me and to instead go through an admin if they feel like I'm doing something wrong. And time after time this has been ignored by the user in question and by the admins who have refused to see it as harassment. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:29, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
:: Thank you [[User:Anastasia Cousins|Anastasia Cousins]] [[User talk:Anastasia Cousins|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:45, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
::: There's few things more malicious in my eyes than repeatedly contacting/interacting with a user who has told you many times that they feel uncomfortable/harassed and would like to have no interaction with you whatsoever. I absolutely do wish to request this user refrains from contacting me in future but, as I've been trying to suggest for six months, they are free to ask an admin to intervene if they think I'm doing something wrong. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:56, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
:::: Another message has been left by this user on my talkpage. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:32, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


== DrWHOCorrieFan ==
==Re: Life on Magrs stuff==
Yeah, think you're probably right about Autumnal cat drawings; for a start, I hadn't realised about the fact that it's a different fictionalised version of Bernard Socks, and the Manhattan map shouldn't have been created in the first place. Not sure I agree with you about the Iris Wildthyme in the Post, but I'm iffy on that one. The one written in the style of Story of Fester Cat we should probably keep, and I was iffy about the Rue Broca one, but I think that might pass. What's your opinion on the poems? [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]]  20:40, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


Hey, there. I'd refute that I've tried to present myself as an admin. DrWHOCorrieFan has, I believe, been here for a while and knows who the admins are, and the fact that I suggested I would inform the admins makes it clear that I'm not one. It was never my intention to give any indication that DrWHOCorrieFan should, would or could be blocked. I never mentioned blocking or any other possible punishment at all, in fact.
: But if you read {{cs|The Story of Fester Cat (novel)}}, Fester is quite definitely a defined, rounded character. And the same character pops up in ''A Year Since'' and arguably in ''Fester Cat's poem''. And surely that tangible character is copyrightable. (Also, {{cs|Party Like it's 1979 (short story)}} certainly seems to suggest that certain fictional versions of characters reappearing are enough to satisfy rule 2) (can't comment on Bernard Socks, as I haven't read ''Welcome Home'') [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]]  20:57, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


When I let them know what the rule was, they responded with, "This will be ignored". When they continued to break the rule I told them about, I think it was natural to believe that the rule was being ignored. Had they not made that comment and had they indicated to me or responded to Epsilon's message saying that they had any difficulty, I wouldn't have assumed this. I also deny being rude and would challenge DrWHOCorrieFan, who has previously accused me of lacking moral decency, and am frequently baffled by DrWHOCorrieFan's claims of harrassment.
:: Well, it has Fester speaking from a posthumous position, which he is able to in ''Story of Fester Cat'', and it also more or less follows on from the end of ''Story of Fester Cat'' I think (but I'm not sure because a) I'm only halfway through the book and b) the book isn't linear). [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]]  21:06, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


At the end of the day, we're all just people behind screens writing about a silly show. I've got nothing against DrWHOCorrieFan despite what they seem to think and will send them a message making them aware of this. Unfortunately, despite the rule about image sizes, which I've always thought was very clear, a large number of users have been and continue to upload images that are in excess of the limit. I've gone through and shrunk hundreds of images.
::: Come to think of it, do you think a dead anthropomorphic Fester Cat would be copyrightable? [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]]  21:12, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


In the past, I've messaged another admin specifically about DrWHOCorrieFan's message that they would ignore me - I forget who, I'm afraid - and I sent a more general message to you about how widespread the breaking of this rule is. By no means do I think people are doing it maliciously, but it's something that doesn't seem to be policed. Because of this, I've messaged several users and, if my messages have seemed overly officious, it's an unfortunate side effect of working in the legal sector. I'll make more of an effort to sound more relaxed and conversational. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:13, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
== The Curator returns ==


: Okay, that's fair enough. I'll confess that I'm not sure how to let someone know about a rule without sounding adminny, but I'll do my best in future. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:52, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
Hey. Finally back again. More stories for you, of course. Massive things. But first: Discord.


:: I do think that that's a tad silly but, yeah, I could have left that message on Bongolium's talk page rather than DrWHOCorrieFan's if, for a reason I can't discern, they find it terribly distressing. Sorry to cause you bother by proxy. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:20, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
I've sent a friend request from a new account (Phoenix). We'll catch up there as soon as we're both online at the same time. (Internet access is still very much on the wibbly side.)


== Seasons Greetings ==
Mind adding me back to the channel, as well? Love from the Island.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 20:05, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


Merry Christmas, User:Scrooge MacDuck, and have a Happy New Year.
== Moving N-Space to "Primary universe" ==
Sincerely,  
I was reading a wiki page here a few days ago, and saw it refer to what has been typically called [[N-Space]] as a default term for the universe the ''Doctor Who'' franchise is set within as the "Primary universe", and I though that would be a good name that would put the "N-Space naming controversy" to rest. Unfortunately, I've forgotten in what story it was referred to as such, and can't citate the reference. I wanted to ask if you thought "Primary universe" would also make a good difference, and if you might know how to find the source? [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:07, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:58, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


==Admin rights==
Truth be told, I wish we could call it "The Doctor's universe" too, but, thanks to one Christopher Chibnall, to call it that would no longer be accurate, since he went out of his way to make it ''not'' the Doctor's universe, but their adopted one. I wonder why we can't just title the page "The Universe", like how Luna is titled [[the Moon]] or Sol is titled [[the Sun]]?[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
According to this page: [[Special:ListUsers/sysop]] they have. As for the "administrator" tag on the top of users' pages, I seem to recall that takes time for stuff to process through the system. The [[Special:ListUsers/sysop]] shows more of a true reading than what displays on the page. When Bongolium500 starts to edit, and they should find that they have admin rights. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 13:42, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


== Image help ==
I get what your going with, but I'm afraid I'm too literal minded to accept it. Oh, and sorry about the galleries width. I didn't know it was a rule, I just thought it was picked at random. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:26, 16 October 2023 (UTC)


Hi Scrooge!
==Re: And Today, You series==
Okay, thanks. <u>[[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: Georgia ; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Stuff I've done">🖊️</span>]] </u> 12:45, 17 October 2023 (UTC)


I'm just dropping in to ask how to resize pictures? I know last time you said that I should have not uploaded before resizing but I've ended up doing it again. I'm completely baffled. Any directions would be much appreciated. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:28, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
: Oops, sorry, didn't notice that. <u>[[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: Georgia ; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Stuff I've done">🖊️</span>]] </u> 06:53, 19 October 2023 (UTC)


== Forums ==
== T:POINT ==
 
Just out of interest, would a NuWho exclusion debate on my part be against T:POINT? <u>[[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: Georgia ; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Stuff I've done">🖊️</span>]] </u> 14:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
Has someone let JDPM know that they're back? I know he was excited to work on some threads, if he's still interested in being on the wiki at all. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:53, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 
== "The Mysterious Planet" not a story?? ==


Oh, really? Then I apologise. I completely agree but must have misunderstood. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:43, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
: I mean, personally, I interpreted those statements literally, and the point would have been that ordinary rule 4 apparently invalidates what most people are interested in us about. Probably still T:POINT violation, though. <u>[[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: Georgia ; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Stuff I've done">🖊️</span>]] </u> 14:35, 23 October 2023 (UTC)


:Hi, Scrooge. Would you mind having a look at mine and NateBumber's conversation about season 23 on our respective talk pages and clarifying some things? [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:40, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
== Citesource problem ==


== Master infobox titles ==
I feel now is a good time to bring up the problem with the citesource template, if it is indeed preventing story titles from italicising just because they are untitled, which violates a policy I can't remember on how all story names' need to be italicised. Furthur more, is there anything that came be done with hyperlinks such as, ([[COMIC]]: ''Endgame'' (part four)), for example. The brackets within brackets just doesn't jive well. I remember talking about this grievance in a forum, but the forum has not been updates for a while now. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:30, 27 October 2023 (UTC)


Hi Scrooge. Just wanted to clarify - I know the individual Master pages are still a work in progress, but some simply have the title "The Master" in infobox headers, whilst others have names such as "Decayed Master". Is there some consistency/logic to which incarnations have agreed upon names and which don't?
== Sorry ==


I ask because in the "Incarnations of the Master" list, for example, "Saxon" is inverted commas but the infobox title is just "The Master" but then "Spy" is also in inverted commas but the infobox title on that page is "Spy Master".
I figured since some sources are mentioned multiple times, we only need to specify the medium once. But I suppose you're right that context is necessary. Please accept my sincere apology. [[User:BastianBalthazarBux|BastianBalthazarBux]] [[User talk:BastianBalthazarBux|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:26, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


Cheers! [[User:FractalDoctor|FractalDoctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:15, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
== Definite article ==


== Temporary forums validity debates ==
Hi, Scrooge. I was just wondering what the current policy is on using the definite article in page names.


Hey. That's no problem at all and probably sensible. I'll get to it. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:44, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Specifically, I'm wondering if the likes of [[White Guardian]] and [[Black Guardian]] need to be moved to [[The White Guardian]] and [[The Black Guardian]] to comply with current policy and when pages for non-individuals need the definite article. For instance, why does [[The Dragon Scriptures]] have it when we don't have [[The Time Vortex]] or [[The Scrolls of Gallifrey]]? [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:50, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
:I'm wildly unconvinced, but it's worth discussing. With that said, you've clearly passed the support mark of my proposal, so I'll keep mine up to maintain temporal priority if your discussion fails. ;) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:57, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


== Judgment ==
: Okie doke, thanks for that. I haven't been keeping my eye on the forums and just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed something. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:51, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


Hi, there. "Judgment" is used in British English but almost exclusively in reference to the ruling of a court, so a member of the public can make a judgement but a judge makes a judgment. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:05, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
== Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes ==


: Woops! I'm afraid I missed that. That's my bad. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:09, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Good evening.


== Merlin Master ==
I was hoping to find some clarity regarding why continuity sections were being remade from an out-of-universe perspective, when they are reference in-universe events. I had contacted the main advocate of the edits, [[User:Epsilon the Eternal]], and they pointed me in your direction by supplying me with this quote from Forum:Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes;
Hello, there, User:ScroogeMacDuck.  
{{quote|Going forward, '''an out-of-universe perspective should be favoured in all continuity sections if possible'''. This is a big ask, and although it's an ideal to trend towards I will not demand that we pull out all stops making valid stories' sections conform to this. However, given that we're going to be creating Continuity sections when none existed, I can and will ask that '''all continuity sections on invalid pages, and "continuity to non-valid sources" sections on valid or invalid pages, be written from an out-of-universe perspective'''. I think that ought to solve Czech's issue, to whatever extent it may have otherwise been a concern.|@Scrooge MacDuck, [[Forum:Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes]]}}


I find you comment about the [[The Master (The Creation of Camelot)|Merlin Master]] possibly being a healthier [[Decayed Master]] that pre-dates ''The Deadly Master'' a fascinating idea, and I was thinkingh about adding it to my sandbox page for the Decayed Master as a head-cannon, but I was hoping to get an idea of the Merlin Master's personality first. I don't often do this, but I wanted to ask if you knew where I could the Merlin Master's stories online, for free or to purchase. Failing that, since you have edited his page the most, I wandered if you you could update his Personality profile, when you have the time of course.
Readying this, I am given the impression that only stories marked as in-valid are to have out-of-universe written summaries, and that valid stories are to retain an in-universe summery. Am I correct in that assumption?


Thank you for your time, and I eagerly await your reply,  
Thank you for your time,  
Sincerely,  
Sincerely,  
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:50, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:04, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


: Thank you for your reply. Yes, it is a pity that the actions of a few ne'er-do-well prevent fans like us from hooking up to discuss shared interests, but it is what it is. I've added ''The Planet of Dust & Other Stories'' to my Amazon wishlist, something to get for my next birthday or when I need more items for a free delivery. In the meantime, I'll use what you've provided me to construct a psychological profile, hopefully one that can allow someone with more inside to expand upon, once I've finished my re-watch of the [[Twelfth Doctor]] era for his psychological profile and my personnel episode tier list. (I've just finished Series 9.) [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
== Recent edits ==


== Re: Discord ==
I'm coming to you directly to prevent any unneeded unpleasantness from happening, like you thinking I'm a vandal and blocking me over an honest misunderstanding.  
I'm wiki-only for the day, but I'll ping you when I'm fully back online! – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 19:38, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
:Could I trouble you to merge [[User:NateBumber/Sandbox/Minister of Chance]] into [[First Minister of Chance]], for edit history preservation etc? – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 16:12, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
::Sorry I'm still not back – traveling this week, and – oh, I won't bore you with the details. But on the upside I did prep an opening post for the [[T:SPOIL]] thread at [[User:NateBumber/Sandbox/1]]. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 13:49, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


== Re: Dimensions in Time proposal ==
I promise you I am not removing information, except the occasional titbits that are either incorrect or unrelated the the article. At worse, I'm just rewording some sentences to get more direct to the point and "trimming the fat", to coin a phrase, to avoid repetition. My main goal is to update the articles now that I have full access to the source material as part of my research into the Fourteenth Doctor's character in preparation for upcoming 2023 specials. Believe me, I dislike it when users delete information, too.


Hiya Scrooge! What I was getting at is: we presently cover DiT as if its events were something that actually, ''physically'' happened to the Doctor. However, the novel ''[[First Frontier (novel)|First Frontier]]'', contains a nod to the story, in which the Doctor states he once dreamt that his enemies chased him around the ''EastEnders'' set. Nothing more than a fun little reference to a then-invalid story, but now that DiT ''is'' valid, wouldn't common sense dictate that its events were exactly that: the dream that the Doctor described? It's like how the Titan comics story, ''[[Meet the Fam! (comic story)|Meet the Fam]]'', was [[Holiday Special (comic story)|later established]] as not actually having happened but were instead a false memory.
I hope to settles any trouble that has been caused.
Sincrely,
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


I hope that makes sense. [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:26, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
:: Oh the removal of ''Whotopia: The Ultimate Guide to the Whoniverse'' was no accident, for two reasons. 1) It says "appears" and "imply", which means it is speculative and speculation has always been taboo on this wiki. 2) It dabbles in timelines, which have long been relegated to theory forums unless absolutely needed, in conjunction with the taboo against speculation. These points, plus its evident irrelevance to the short story itself, are why I took the initiative and removed it. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


: Heeeey… I don't mean to bug ya, but I was kinda at least hoping on some feedback on the matter, if not as a forum thread, then as advice from a mod ^^ [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:45, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
Editors shouldn't have to explain ''every'' edit they make, otherwise the wiki wouldn't feel like a safe place for contribution. I'll have been editing for 10 years next June, and we've done fine with some good faith and talking it out if there's a disagreement. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:26, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


:: Well… this is awkward! It seems Fandom didn't even bother to notify me of your responses! Derp. That all checks out as far as I'm concerned. Proposal retracted. [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:27, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Would it be possible to get a link to a list of these policies? Because everyone's been coming out the woodworks lately throwing words like T:NPOV, BOUND and "by policy" at me, and I have no idea what they're talking about half the time. I'm just trying to edit like I always have, and seems I'm out of the loop on certain updates. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:36, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


== The Other Jack ==
== Forum:Clarifying in-universe deadnaming policy in response to Rose Noble ==


Hi, Scrooge. So both [[Ruth]] and [[Jack (The Kraken's Lament)]] were moved (to [[Ruth Leonidas]] and [[Jack McSpringheel]] respectively) by [[User:HolmestoHomes]], now permanently blocked. Both of these names are incorrect and, given that I added a rename template to Ruth's page in February 2022, I thought it would be alright to move both pages back. They're both relatively obscure pages, were moved without discussion and I didn't think anybody would be any more likely to engage in a discussion about moving Jack's page than Ruth's. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:56, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I am sorry for bothering you about this but I would like you to take a look at Forum:Clarifying in-universe deadnaming policy in response to Rose Noble as I feel that anonymous user 51.191.137.161 is skirting a bit to close to transphobia. (I am not saying they are but as a trans person I feel they are on the very edge of it) I would like you to at least step in and remained everyone to stay civil and polite. But due to the anonymous user having no prior contributions before this forum I feel that they really just  arrived here specifically to add to this forum. Not to mention their constant accusations of that trans people are trying to make themselves the centre of the world which to me feels very very close to Transphobia and has made me rather uncomfortable. I added my views on the subject and soon after they immediately accused me of calling them cis and and said that is it foolish of me to think that trans people know more about being trans than cis people. I had not accused them of being cis. I was not even referring to anyone in particular. As well as arguing for real world people to have their deadnames on this wiki which I believe would be in breach of fandom policy. Now I will leave it up to you to decide what to do but please at the very least just step in and make sure everyone is playing nicely.  
and if I am in the wrong at any point in this please do inform. [[User:Anastasia Cousins|Anastasia Cousins]] [[User talk:Anastasia Cousins|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


: I understand that and agree, but Carole Ann Ford was credited as playing "Susan Foreman". David Ames has only ever been credited as "Jack" as far as I'm aware. And how many stories was he ever called "Jack McSpringheel" in? [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:46, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
== Peri ==


:: Thing is, I very much doubt that anybody knows Ruth as Ruth Leonidas for any other reason than because her wiki page was named that. "Miss Leonidas" was said in one line in ''Brand Management'' and then mentioned again in ''The Weather on Versimmon'', a Big Finish novel. If Jenny were to have been called "Miss Smith" a few times in a professional capacity in her audio series, would we move her page to Jenny Smith? I find that unlikely. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:56, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Scrooge. I'm a little confused. Is there no limit to the length a story's coverage can be on a character's page anymore? [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


== Non-narrative ==
: I extended it from three sentences to five before you reverted it. The biography as it is now doesn't actually integrate anything from other sources beyond two insights into Peri's thoughts and feelings from the novelisation. I don't really see the value in detailing absolutely everything she does in that one story and think the important things can easily be trimmed down by several hundred words.


Oh, never pinged you. I edited all of the "nonlinear" bits except one, because people were actually discussing nonlinear stories as well as interactive ones in the thread in question. Cheers. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:55, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
:: Upon arriving on [[Thoros-Beta]], Peri and the Doctor were attacked by [[the Raak]] and captured by [[Kiv]]'s men, but they managed to escape with [[Yrcanos]] after [[Crozier]] attempted to interrogate him to learn what provoked the Raak. The Doctor began behaving oddly and betrayed his friends to [[Sil]], leading Peri, Yrcanos and [[Dorf]] to stir up rebellion amongst the [[Thoros-Alphan]]s until they were stunned by [[Frax]] and imprisoned.


== Master infobox ==
:: Peri was chosen by Crozier to become the host for Kiv's [[brainwave]]s. Assisted by [[Kani|Matrona Kani]], he experimented upon her, resulting in her mind being erased and Kiv taking control of her body. To prevent Crozier's discovery from making Kiv [[immortality|immortal]] and affecting [[evolution]] across the universe, the [[High Council]] used Yrcanos as an unwitting [[assassin]] to kill Kiv by destroying Peri's body with a [[CD phaser]] soon after the successful transfer. ([[TV]]: {{cs|Mindwarp (TV story)}})


Oh, really? It seems strange to exclude him when he's made more appearances than the Lumiat and goes by "the Master". [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:36, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
: If that's not enough, I'm really going to have to go over everything I've written on her page, which I've limited to the key parts of her involvement in stories rather than complete walkthroughs. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


: Hmm. I have to say I don't agree with that, especially when we have the War Doctor (whom I'd argue is more controversial given that there are accounts that have Eighth regenerate straight into Ninth) in the Doctor's infobox. I think Milo Parker and James Dreyfuss should be in the Master's infobox. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:57, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
:: In which case, I'll aim for that much. At its current length, it's a bit indigestible. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


:: I'll add it to my to-do list! Thanks. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:02, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
== About spoilers ==


== Appearance lists. ==
Just a double check. As it currently stands, I presume the policy on [[T:SPOIL ALLOW]] means spoilers are disallowed on any talk page outside of those limited examples right? Does it mean stuff in the Tardis talk: namespace, for instance? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 16:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
: Alright, but what I said before appears to also apply to the caveats in [[T:OFFICIAL INFO]], too. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 17:26, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


[[User:Najawin/Sandbox 6|Whenever you or another admin has the time]]. OS12 did a bunch but didn't finish. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:10, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
== [[Bulgaria school murder]] ==


== Here's an Op  ==
Hi, Scrooge. Got a familiar bit of spam at this page and its talk page. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


Hey, just wanted to bring to your attention that I went ahead and wrote an OP for our image policy, which actually covers several of the most popular topics on [[TARDIS:Temporary forums]], since your brought up that no one else had. You can find it at [[User:OttselSpy25/Guide to Images Sandbox]]. I tried to include several topics at once that were all kinda similar. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 21:35, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
== Cite source template clarification needed ==
Hello Scrooge. Hope all has been well. Congrats on being a staff by the way! Great to see you are still around ^_^ Was hoping you could help me clarify a matter.


: Okay, it should be done now! [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 22:28, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Given Doctor Who was off air for about a year, I have come back to find there is this new “cite source” template used on TARDIS for citing stories as we have always done here with in-line citations and so forth. However, while editing, I have noticed there is inconsistency in which style is used among various editors and also within articles on the wiki. For example, in the same section “cite source” is used for one story but the next it is the classic “[[TV]]: Story” style.


== Lords Celestial ==
I checked the policy pages but am struggling to find the new “cite source” one; the T:CITE one still commands the usage of the classic style. Therefore, I thought it best to ask you which one we are meant to be using or if we are indeed using all three variations but it depends on the circumstances (in-universe or out-universe, real world articles or character articles). Can you help provide some clarification?
Yes, the singular phrase "Lord Celestial" is never used in any source – in fact, I would characterise its absence from ''[[The Book of the War (novel)|The Book of the War]]'' as an intentional omission which gets at the heart of what Celestis ''are''. There's nothing grammatically incorrect about it, as it's merely the noun rather than the adjectival form of the species name. It's no more incorrect than saying my species is "humanity" or yours is "waterfowl". – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 17:36, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
:Changing it to [[Celestis]] is fine by me, though. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 17:39, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
::To the contrary, I would absolutely say that the Doctor belongs to the species of the Time Lords! Such a thing is normal English usage. But fine, I've made the changes as you insist. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 17:45, 23 February 2023 (UTC)


== AdricLovesNyssa‎ ==
I look forward to hearing your reply! [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 22:16, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


Hi, Scrooge. I've left AdricLovesNyssa‎ a few messages because they haven't been linking the origin field in infoboxes, but they haven't got back to me and continue to do it. I don't want to look like I'm hounding them, so would you or another admin be able to drop them a message about it so I don't have to keep doing it for them? [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:02, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
:Ahhh, okay then! So I do use it and where I see someone is using the old style or where the old style is still on the article, I should convert it to the new “cite source” one in all cases (regardless of the article)? [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 22:39, 10 December 2023 (UTC)


: Hey there. AdricLovesNyssa continues not to link the origin fields despite another message I've left them. Obviously it's not doing any harm, but it does make more work for other users. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:24, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
::Great! The wider editing base is aware of this change yes? Some editors appear to keep reverting my changes regarding this style; edit warring risks occurring it seems if editors aren’t aware and I keep having to change them back to the “cite source” style - loads more work too. [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 17:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)


== Cosmology ==
== Executive decisions ==


When you have time, could you glance at [[The Cosmology of the Spiral Politic (feature)]]? We're still working out precedent here and I'm not sure if my write up is how we'd want to do this. It's written in a similar voice to the actual piece, which ''might not'' be what's optimal, given the nature of this piece/the wiki. I try to do somewhat similar with all of my summaries, but, well, given that this is an in-universe reference work it's weird enough that it might not be optimal. Feedback would be appreciated. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:33, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
When you've the time, [[Talk:Disney+ (in-universe)]] and [[Talk:Wild Blue Yonder (TV story)]] have stalled out discussion (imo) and could use an admin to make final calls on their topics. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:08, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
:Oh, is this better btw? [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:27, 4 March 2023 (UTC)


== Natarl Non-Narratives ==
== Page deletion ==


Oh hey, sorry I didn't notice your message yesterday. Understood. Frankly, I don't think I wanna make those pages, so I'll instead move the stuff to the proper BTS place. (Hell of a page in any way, very impressive what LegoK9 added to it!) I'm a creature of the old, it can be left to the current generation more intune with policy. Cheers. :) [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">CoT</span>]]   [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">?</span> ]] 19:13, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
If you've the time, [[From the Doctor to My Son Thomas]] is just fundamentally flawed and should be deleted. It's blatantly plagiarized from wikipedia. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
:Actually nevermind, I recant. I can sort this. Will be more informative. [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">CoT</span>]]   [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">?</span> ]] 19:20, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
:Also, if you (or any admin who's online and reading talk pages) could have a look at [[Isaac Newton]] when you've the chance. The original IP user who accused me of violating [[T:NPOV]] is back and is [[T:VAN|vandalizing]] (#6) the page after Nate's ruling, refusing to accept it or move to the talk page. Blocking them and/or locking the page might be needed. (I'm removing myself as it's probably bordering on [[T:NO WARS]] here, even if it's technically vandalism.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:29, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


== "If applicable" ==
== Re:R4bp ==


I don't agree with that interpretation at all. "If applicable" isn't the same as "if appropriate". I also don't see any logic to referring to Amy Pond as "Amy" but not Bernice Summerfield as "Benny", and I'd argue that the series being called ''Bernice Summerfield'' as you've pointed out makes it more pointless to do so. If some characters should have their first name used as the template states, and if they woild have yo be used  anyway if they were one of two main characters, then I don't see the point. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:35, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
As far as that thread goes, I'm perfectly willing to call that thread unresolved and start over, perhaps with a more narrow scope, or with a more structured framework for how to proceed. It's been two months just about since the last bit of movement there, and I'd have to reread the whole thing if there was a new response anyhow.


: (Sorry, it took several tries to respond to your first message on my phone and I figured I'd wait until I was on my laptop to respond to your second.)
I do think there was some interesting lines of thought that we were working on, but the thread just became so ''long'' that there were, what, four, five of us who were engaged at the end? And those who tapped out earlier on missed out on just large swathes of that discussion. It seems a bit unreasonable for, in effect, four or five users to be having a discussion that's this foundational and everyone else to be filibustered out. But at the same time the issues at play ''are'' complicated and ''do'' require a lot of discussion. So there's just not a super clear answer here imo.
: Yeah, I agree that what it currently says isn't ideal. Some characters, like Benton or Klein, are better known by their surname after all. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:43, 19 March 2023 (UTC)


== Undelete a talk page ==
But I'd be willing to trust a third party admin, say Nate or Bongo, to call it unresolved and then open up a new thread with a more narrow scope or with specific rules of engagement (at least to begin with - something like analyzing Web Theory ''in particular'' in one thread, not discussing any other issues, or perhaps discussing how we deal with Roland Rat-esque situations and daisy chaining more broadly, etc etc) if you are. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:20, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


Hey, could you undelete [[Talk:Skirmish at Tranquil Repose]]? It's directly referred to in a few old talk pages and seems to be relevant for [[Forum:Skirmish at TARDIS Wiki]]. (In general I don't like talk pages being deleted, but that's just me.) Since I'm trying to build up a bit of a historical record, having it available would be helpful. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:30, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
:That's fair enough, no worries. And I did have some idea as to what you've been so busy with, given the shiny new site and all. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:38, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


:Re:Dr.Omega, well, it branched off our discussion at [[Talk:Marticide (short story)]]. If all we're doing is discussing the honorific, I can do that. But I figured the character is weird enough that we might want to discuss a broader level of coverage than what we have now, and I don't know anywhere near enough to do that. If you think this is a bad idea, I can just do the honorific post. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:31, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
== User report. ==
Hello there. I suspect that user [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheSuperMarioBros2023 TheSuperMarioBros2023] is a sockpuppet account of Hulksmashtheworld/Theincrediblehulk2003/The Worldbreaker Hulk/Hulkbreaktheworld.
That's all for now. --[[User:AzureKesil|AzureKesil]] [[User talk:AzureKesil|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:46, 26 December 2023 (UTC)


::Oh, Skirmish was always going to be outdated, but it was still interesting from a historical POV. Yeah, the Dr Omega one's really weird. I guess a further related question is "at what point does a public domain character become a DWU character?" If we're including certain Dr Omega works, is it because of Dr Omega's appearance under a different name in Marticide? Or is it because of the ship, which is a DWU concept in its own right? We obviously don't consider every Sherlock Holmes story to be part of the DWU, but would we consider an Erasing Sherlock sequel that focused solely on characters in the Holmes canon? Probably not, but it's weird enough to be a discussion. What about [[Rassilon|Urizen]] under [[T:HOMEWORLD]]? There's a lot of weird corner cases that we haven't explicitly discussed that this discussion is going to touch on, since the character is both public domain and only really used as a Doctor Who adjacent character. Technically speaking, Rule 2 forbids all of these as it's currently written, but I think this is more of a glitch in the wording, since I fully expect someone sooner or later to release some DWU IP they create to the public domain as best they can. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:38, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
== RE: Missing thread ==
Ahh, I see. So the intention is simply transfer it to the Biography sub page, then just trim it down to roughly 3 sentences. In that case, it sounds relatively simple - it's less a complete rewrite or the article and simply just trimming it down a ton, with the original kept as a first draft to draw upon. Thank you for the addition! [[User:Snivystorm|<font face="Georgia"><font color="#1E90FF">''Snivy''</font></font>]]<font face="Arial"><font color="dodgerblue">  </font> [[User talk:Snivystorm|<small style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; "><font face="Cambria"><font color="Grey">✦ ''The coolest Pokemon ever'' ✦</font></font></small>]]</font> 11:35, 4 January 2024 (UTC)


:::When you have the time, could you restore [[Talk:Handramit]]? It's referred to in [[Forum:How do we best include Faction Paradox on the wiki?]]. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:19, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
== Re:Templates and adaptions ==


::::Still nice to have, thank you. (And I do think the Proms/Prime discussions are different, as I think we have more evidence as to how Moffat's usual methodology works. But, ultimately, we don't have R4 evidence against in the first place, so it's a moot point.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:50, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
I respectfully disagree. The "villain templates" are just for readers to get a quick look at which stories to look into to see where their favourite antagonists show up, hence we had that whole "when is a Dalek story a Dalek story and not just a story with the Daleks" debate a few years back. It's why the complete list of appearances is tagged on the bottom for a more deep dive into it.  


== Audios ==
What confuses me here is why there are now two editors adding ''The Giggle'' to the Toymaker's media box and not his first novelised story ''The Celestial Toymaker''. And that's not even going into the bigger picture of then adding all adaptations to the other templates for consistency. Where would they go then? Would they get their own "Novelisations" group or be lumped in "Prose stories"? If the latter, how will we tell adapoted stories from original prose adventures? If the former, it will repentant because it's just repeating the TV stories in potentially anachronistic order.


I'm sure something is in the pipeline eventually, no worries. It was more a joke about [https://twitter.com/faction_paradox/status/1642182499685081088 this]. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:10, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
Food for thought,  
:He's in ''Insurgency 101 with Mellicia Clutterbuck'', albeit at an earlier stage in his life. (And Memes already referenced the Wildthyme/Columbo story, which is what I would have gone with.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:18, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
::So since we still don't have the forums that contain all the [[T:HOMEWORLD]] discussion stuff, do you remember where precisely this was discussed?
:::But there are subtler cases. For example, if a story is licensed to use Bernice Summerfield but not the BBC-owned character of "the Doctor", and has Benny mention some detail regarding "a time traveller" with whom she once visited Project Eden in 2157, then, through the in-universe connection made in PROSE: Lucifer Rising, we can state that those details belong on our page about the Seventh Doctor.
::I don't recall it in the main FP thread, but, I mean, I obviously last read that ''years'' ago, so my recollection is foggy at best. Is there a talk page somewhere? (I just want to cite it in a discussion if you know where it is. If not, one of the earlier and more definitive examples of us doing this would be very helpful!) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:18, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
:::I don't think [[Thread:279761]] discussed whether ''descriptions of characters/events'' used in fully licensed stories with one fully licensed character from the story transferred over was enough to justify merging things. Again, could be misremembering. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20171005120207/http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:209869 wayback] we have for the infobox discussion doesn't convince Amorkuz that Lolita is The Master's TARDIS. Maybe it happened after that was saved. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:31, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
::::...You're right, I very much missed the "not".<br>
::::I'm not sure the thread is doing quite the same thing, it's using the Homeworld principle (at least in part) and then using in-universe evidence to establish continuity based on ''physical similarities'', rather than''actions''. Maybe I'm trying to be too charitable to a certain ex-user. I'll give it some thought, thank you. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:13, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


== River ==
: I meant the novelisations would be anachronistic in comparison to the their television originals, since the books were released at their own pace. For example, the Cybermen first appeared in novel form in the novelisation of ''The Moonbase'', their second television serial. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


That was one of the ''particular'' discussions that (almost?) got DiS blocked back in the day because he said that consensus was in favor of keeping it in the infobox. See [[Talk:River Song/Archive 6#Human vs Proto-Time Lord]] for the entire ordeal. (In fact, when DiS was permanently blocked BCM removed it. I put it back to encourage discussion, which never materialized. So this is just cleaning up after myself 2 years later, really.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:11, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
That is what I am trying to say. I'm just also noting that new editors unaware of the feature will most likely put them in episode order as opposed to release order, or reorganise them thinking they've been incorrectly placed due to being in the dark about the release order of the novelisations. It's just something to put into consideration if novelisations are to get their own group on character story templates. 14:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


== New Cycle edit ==
== Pxrn uploads/vandalism ==


Sorry to trouble you at this hour, but how come you took out the bit of the 2013 new life cycle possibly being mooted by Timeless Child revelation?
Looks like someone's bored and uploading inappropriate images [[:File:Peri's Grandaughter.jpg|here]]. — [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Send a space-time telegraph">@</span>]] 20:35, 22 January 2024 (UTC)


[[User:Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba|Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba]] [[User talk:Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
== Master edits reply ==


:Not Scrooge, but I hope I can help explain. The stories relating to the Timeless Child don't really say anything about that. We can merely gather that the Timeless Child, prior to being the Doctor, had an indefinite, probably infinite amount of regenerations, and that Tecteun biologically implemented the twelve-regeneration limit into Time Lords. The Doctor presumably had this limit implemented when the last incarnation working for the Division was mind-wiped and turned into a Time Lord. Additionally, in ''[[The Time of the Doctor (TV story)|The Time of the Doctor]]'', the Eleventh Doctor is very clearly about to die and has no more regeneration energy. But also, this entire thing is itself mooted by the several Capaldi-era implications that the ''new'' life cycle might be infinite. [[User:Chubby Potato|Chubby Potato]] [[User talk:Chubby Potato|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:30, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
Salutations. I wish to reply to you message on my talk page concerning my... "redrafts" of the Master pages, and hopefully clear up some confusion that seems to have taken place. Starting with the fact that I never intended my edits to come across as a redrafting of the articles. I started out updating them with some undocumented information, which I had intended to do when they were first individualised but never found the time before, and then took a closer look beforehand to see if there were anything else that needed editing.  


::Honestly, three years ago was when I walked away from Who more or less altogether. This mooting it was what I had gathered from people talking about it.
Now, this cite source removal you mention. If you are referring to story links, you have me at a loss, since I actually went to great effort to avoid pasting over them when I was transferring updates from my Sandbox. But, if you are talking about the hyperlinks to the Master pages, like Delgado for {{Delgado}}, I think there's been a misunderstanding on the intention. As I am sure you remember, we used to use those hyperlinks when Time Lord incarnations were on a single page to link the appropriate incarnation to the source. I even remember inventing some of them myself for this reason for [[the Rani]] and [[the Monk]]. Since incarnations now have their own page, I was simply cutting out the middle man when I could and just linking to the page the traditional way, like with the [[Tremas Master]] for example.  


::[[User:Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba|Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba]] [[User talk:Kevin &#39;Chalky&#39; Kaiba|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:16, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
As for the this accusation, for lack of a better word, of removing information and my edits being "thoroughly out of order" and "wthout any clear justification", I'm afraid I must take umbrage with that. I'll tackle your comment from the [[Bruce Master]] about his bullet point on the "Echo" Master being moved to the [[Decayed Master]] first. Simply put, the "Echo" Master's bullet point was moved to the Decayed Master's page was because the ''information'' concerning the bullet point was ''on'' the Decayed Master's character profile, so it felt more appropriate to have the bullet point there for consistency.


== Re:Re:Disney Time ==
Indeed, as I have said before, I too dislike when information is removed from an article, but sometimes bits have to be removed to avoid repetitiveness; why repeat the spirit of the same sentence when it can all be covered together in a paragraph?


Ack! Yes, I'm so sorry, I did see your DM but simply never got around to responding! Thanks for the prodding. And that's very odd. I'll get in touch with them about that in a little while 👍 [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:38, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
As for your feedback mentioning some good being added that had to be reverted, in that you are correct, as many spelling and grammatical mistakes I fixed have been readded to the main article. For example, several "days to come" section are now covering the post-regenerations, again for lack of a proper term, instead of hints to the future heard from the past, or have been removed all together, and paragraphs are now starting behind images instead of underneath. As well as several valid updates to their psychological profiles, and the puzzling inclusion to the ''The Timeless Child'' citation on "References" to the source of the clips the Masters hail from, and the equally questionable removal of [[The Master's aliases]] from the character infobox. These reversions make me question why my edits were deemed "destructive", when, by all apparent accounts, they produced more positive updates than negative?


== Queer cats OP ==
Now to clear up with I believe if the biggest misunderstand about this affair concerning my Sandboxes for the Master. I originally created them ''because'' the Master's incarnations were not individualised and comprised to a single page, which was hard to edit due to the sheer size, so I created the Sandbox pages to have a better editing space before moving the new information to the main page. Once the main page was separated into individual pages, the Sandboxes were no longer of any use, so I stopped editing them. I've only just now found the time to start transferring the information I never got round to adding to the main page over. I had actually thinking about putting some of the more redundant Sanboxes up for deletion once I had transferred the appropriate edits, only keeping the ones that delved into "head cannon", but I needed to sleep, so I stopped at the [[Saxon Master]] and planned to continue with [[Missy]] and the [[Spy Master]] before I started proposing deletions at a later date. So, as I hope I have explained, I do not intend to have my Sandboxes replace the main pages. I was just using them because they were easier to edit at the time.


Hmm, I thought the "opt out" option discussed the first issue. I'll revisit it.
For a final note, I'd like to tackle how you called my edits "unjustified". But, "unjustified" in what way? Do I have to write an explanation for every edits I make? Does that not go against good faith editing and my rights as a user to edit articles if I feel they need updating, and then justifying my actions when I revert an edit or restore my reverted contributions? What I'm trying to say is that I'd like more constructive feedback on this topic.


As for the second issue, it's not that [[T:BOUND]] establishes that these categories can exist, obviously. It's that the argument in question, were it to be taken as successful, would also be successful against IU categories. The argument proves too much. Thus '''''that particular argument''''' must be a violation of [[T:BOUND]]. The [[T:BOUND]] issue is completely agnostic on all other arguments, just the issue of splitting up people based on characteristics being "othering" has to be considered unsuccessful. That's all. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:34, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
I hope you found this reply enlightening and satisfactory,
Sincerely,
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:22, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


== Re: Vrs (short story) ==
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Regarding your edit summary "Just because it's short doesn't mean we can reproduce the text in full. Who did this" for [[Vrs (short story)]], the edit was made by [[User:SOTO]] on 13 November 2013. You can search the history of a page to see who performed what edits. Hope this helps. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:23, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
With the image files, it's not really a policy. Images are just generally slotted between paragraphs. But, for some reason, editors are adding them to the beginning of the paragraphs, making it hard to tell when the image ends and the sentences begin.  


:My mistake, I was just trying to be helpful. It won't happen again. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:00, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
I'm afraid I must disagree with your assertion that "Aliases of the Master" only applies to incarnations with multiple aliases. [[User:Epsilon the Eternal]] added [[Aliases of the Doctor]] to the [[Fifteenth Doctor]] to cover one nickname, and I believe the Masters' pages should follow a similar principle, if for no other reason than preparation for aliases future works will give them.


== T:POINT ==
Truth be told, I've forgotten where "Backstory" came from. I think I just misread the "Origin" subheading on [[the Lumiat]] without noticing.


Politely, in the very first comment I responded with, I did bring up specific new evidence that wasn't addressed in the discussion prior to your ruling. I can understand the frustration, I'm certainly frustrated enough not to touch that thread again until we have the archives. But I think the characterization wasn't quite apt. (You yourself say that evidence from the old forums can be brought up to reconsider forum decisions, by which I assume you must mean precedent and past discussions. I don't think this is materially different, except for the fact the thread was ongoing.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:11, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
Am I right in understanding that the main problem with my edits is that I didn't fill in the edit description? If so I must apologies for this. You see, I have a communicational disability that can make getting my points across clear, so I usually only fill in the description box when it's completely necessary. The rest of the time, I just assume readers will see what my edits are and come to same conclusion I had for making them. I hope that helps you understand my actions regarding leaving them blank.
:(Oh, and I'll be honest, I expect the archives to have very little to say on some of the threads we've discussed, like subpages. But I absolutely think we should do massive attempts to reconsider the ones where there is commentary, like the non-narrative R1, or anything related to images, etc.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:20, 28 April 2023 (UTC)


::[[T:POINT]] requires that new evidence must be presented from prior discussion, so saying "I think the past ruling was in error because of evidence XYZ not considered" is kosher. I think providing historical evidence of how people interpreted [[T:VS]] in an explicit confirmation of what I was saying (that parody, regardless of other intent, made things invalid) is sufficient. With that said, if it didn't move your needle it didn't move your needle.
Sincerely,
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)


::I don't think finding new evidence to open discussion is different from what I'm suggesting here. I cannot imagine that in these thread we discussed all the evidence properly doing it entirely from memory. Perhaps, funnily enough, I'm more cynical than you here. (I actually found the original png comments, and they were entirely about size. Can't comment on the stuff after) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:44, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
:: I have some confusion on this biography reorganisation point I would like to cover before I start penning my full reply. Am I wrong in that you recently reorganised [[the Toymaker]]'s timelined biography without a talkpage debate or even an explanation in the edit description box? It's just really confusing for me at the moment to read one while another is apparently being practised. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:53, 4 February 2024 (UTC)


:::Oh, people in that thread were ''very much so'' disagreeing, and your comment itself could have been read in an ambiguous manner. Perhaps that was my fault for misreading it.
== QA ==
::::'''I cannot say for certain whether this is what has always been intended when people have cited that rule.''' But it's what's in line with the rest of our policies and with the evident wishes of the community. And it's in line with the fact that "Parodies don't count" has never been "Rule 5"; just a footnote, an ''extension'' of the Four Little Rules. [Bolded emphasis mine.]
:::I think we can say for certain it ''wasn't'' how the rule was being applied. But perhaps I'm paying too much respect to precedent until we can trace the reasoning.


:::Subtle distinction, we should ''on principle look for the evidence to open these threads'', for every single thread. I expect some to be easy to track down. Others, not so much. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:11, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
Honestly this looks so bad I think it might merit going to Czech and asking him to talk to the team involved before this is UCP 2.0. The ''mandatory 3 answers per page'' is, frankly, surreal.


::::I strenuously object to the idea that such issues exist. The reason I placed something there is that I expect it to take quite some time to move up the list, and the OP I plan to write will be incredibly methodical and long. The specific thread referenced is the sequels/prequels to invalid stories thread at [[User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates 2]]. It ''specifically'' references the fact that we don't use in-universe narrative details, continuity, to determine validity in its reasoning to allow these stories to be valid. R4bp changing this, seeing narrative details as evidence of authorial intent, creates a contradiction in reasoning. Obviously the thread will cover more ground, but it caught my eye as I was scrolling through. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:59, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
As far as email goes, still the same hangups. At least in part because my email accounts involve my actual name and creating new ones is such a hassle these days. (Why do you need my phone # for verification? I don't want you to have that.) In absolutely, entirely, completely unrelated news, were you aware that a friend of mine and DAVIS's did a recent review on Alien Bodies on yt? Completely unrelated of course. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:29, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
:Well, it's a very isolated place with very few prying eyes and everything is, importantly, deletable.


Perhaps I wasn't clear enough because all I said was "creates a contradiction in reasoning". I'm not referencing ''assertions'' here, but the specific ''reasoning'' used in the closing post, that '''''because''''' we don't use narrative to determine validity we could validate the sequel/prequel stories to invalid stories. If we now decide that narrative and continuity is a guide for authorial intent, we have two options, either sequel and prequel stories are referencing these invalid stories and thus are themselves signaling their authorial intent to be outside the DWU, since '''''the specific stories in contention are those without authorial statements clarifying intent''''', or we assume validity for these stories and then use them to leverage the old stories back in. There's absolutely no way to justify one decision over the other if we truly accept narrative and continuity as a statement of authorial intent. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:16, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
:It's just a hangup for me. Past trauma. Maybe in a year or three. We can hope. Nothing personal, I promise, and I am working on it with a therapist. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
::I truly don't believe having an account there would be psychologically healthy for me. Addictive personalities run in my family and I've had bad experiences with social media usage in the past. While TBCotW was ongoing I noticed some bad behavior on my part ''without'' having an account and merely reading what others wrote. Only being able to interact as a guest places a rather large buffer there. Just. I'm fine finding out when everyone else does. I just wanted to make sure it was on people's radar as the problem I think it is. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:14, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
:::(Ugh. Gah. I'll think about it. I do have a twitch, under a slightly different username, if you've one. I don't use whispers much on there, but given I technically already have it, you know.)


:Perhaps unsurprisingly, I find this question begging of the most egregious kind. :P But we can save that for the thread. At the very least I think you'll concede that I'm not in potential violation of [[T:POINT]] here, like you were worried, yes? (I truly think it will take months to get up the list, so I'll have time to do the full due diligence the thread deserves.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:52, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
:::That's roughly my thoughts on the subject as well, but I brought up similar objections on their last blogpost about it and they just brushed them aside, saying that individual questions could be deleted so there'd be no problem. I think it's a UCP problem all over again, they're starting with small wikis and scaling up, so haven't thought about the unique problems that large wikis present. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:49, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
:::: 'This user has turned on "Block Whispers from Strangers" in their privacy settings and must start a conversation with you first.' [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:19, 8 February 2024 (UTC)


::Also, while I'm not unaware of the conflict of interest worries, when you have time, I'd love some feedback at [[Tardis:Temporary forums/Slot 5: Validity: The Book of the Enemy's Biographies of Authors]]. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:23, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
== Vandalism ==


== Pssst ==
Didn't take long for a vandal to come along. User [[172.70.90.79]] is posting inappropriate vandalism on the Thirteenth Doctor and other pages. Same goes for [[172.71.134.112]]. [[User:FractalDoctor|FractalDoctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)


Would you mind terribly if I posted a talk page comment at [[Tardis talk:Temporary forums]] about how to move forward now that the forum namespace is open? Obviously I don't want to turn this into some massive debate over what to do, but, you know, regular users probably do have thoughts. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:29, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
: Nice of them to allow the testing of the block feature. I guess it was sadly to be expected that we'd get some vandals since the new URL has been widely promoted on social media (and one platform in particular). Sigh. Thanks for the blocks though. You admins are great :) [[User:FractalDoctor|FractalDoctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
:Could you move [[Forum:(SPOILER: The start of RtD2) Quickstart Guides]] to the right category? SOTO renamed everything "The Panopticon" rather than "Panopticon", but because you locked the page, I can't touch the category of this one. Cheers. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:04, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
::[[:Category:Panopticon]] is the old category. SOTO moved everything to [[:Category:The Panopticon]]. So the thread just doesn't appear at [[Forum:The Panopticon]]. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:11, 13 May 2023 (UTC)


== Doctor of War editing ==
== Block bug? ==
Hey Scrooge, hope you've been well. I've had a brief chat with @[[User:Epsilon the Eternal|Epsilon the Eternal]] about the rather long discussion on [[Talk:Dust Devil (audio story)]] regarding how this wiki should cover the ''Doctor of War'' stories, and after accidentally mistaking Epsilon for an admin, they kindly pointed me in the direction of your talk page and suggested I raise the issue with you.


It's been over 6 months since anyone other than myself contributed to that discussion, and at this point I'm not sure how much further that discussion can progress, especially if I'm the only one contributing to it at this point. Furthermore, at this point, numerous edits have been made about the alternate versions of "prime" universe characters that appear in ''Doctor of War'', ranging from edits on pages such as [[Fourth Doctor]], [[Sarah Jane Smith]], [[Harry Sullivan]], [[Narvin]] and many others briefly mentioning their ''Doctor of War'' counterparts, to entire pages such as [[Miss Brown]], [[Dalek (The Warrior's universe)]], [[The Master (The Warrior's universe)]] and [[Romana (The Warrior's universe)]]; this is despite the Cleanup tag on [[Dust Devil (audio story)]] explicitly requesting that such edits and pages not be made until the discussion has been resolved. In particular, [[Fourth Doctor (The Warrior's universe)]] was created several months after that Cleanup tag was made, despite said tag using the Fourth Doctor as an explicit example of the kinds of edits that should be refrained from until the discussion was resolved.
Morning Scrooge. I woke up earlier to find I was seemingly blocked until August 2024 for "vandalism" - however I have been editing both versions of the Wiki for years now and I'm not sure what happened? I have since refreshed a few times and now I am able to edit pages again. Just flagging it up - is it a bug? (Also, I did notice that when I was blocked it was impossible to get in touch with an admin on site, as it prevented me from adding to / editing Talk pages too. Is there a workaround for such cases?) Hopefully it was a weird glitch in the Matrix! — [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk">•</span>]] 09:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)


It appears that since this discussion began, its exact aim has become very convoluted. Based on the comment in the Cleanup tag, it appears that the original aim of the discussion was to identify whether the ''Doctor of War'' universe is a distinct universe or an alternate timeline branching from the "prime" universe, with the final aim being to use the answer to this query to determine how the ''Doctor of War'' counterparts to "prime" universe characters should be covered on this wiki. Since this discussion began, the wiki's policy on coverage of alternate realities appears to have become much clearer, as can be seen on [[Tardis:Merging policy]], and with the ''[[The Key To Key To Time (audio story)|The Key To Key To Time]]'' explicitly comparing [[The Warrior's universe]] with the rest of the multiverse, combined with me having listened to all the ''Doctor of War'' stories multiple times and examining the exact lanuage used to refer to the Warrior's universe, it seems - at least from my perspective - that there's a clear way to resolve this discussion and give the greenlight for full-blown editing on these stories, rather than leaving the situation in its current state where any editing on these stories is effectively ignoring the discussion.
== Twitch ==


I would really like to begin editing on these stories myself, but until this discussion is properly resolved I fear doing so could have negative repercussions on my ability to edit on this wiki at all in the future. While I could try raising this concern over at [[Forum:Temporary forums]], I also fear that doing so won't actually progress this matter anywhere given how many discussions are already ongoing over there. The only option I can think of at this point was to raise this concern with an admin and see if some more direct action could be taken, hence why I'm messaging you now.
Oh that's a bother. From googling it seems like this is something they toggle from time to time. And yeah, I saw OS12 migrated over after I asked that. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:17, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
:Hey, about the thing we discussed earlier, what's your math background? I'll start with a rough outline based on that and figure out how I'll get it to you. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:37, 16 March 2024 (UTC)


I know you've received a lot of requests for help, both recently and from myself, so I apologise for dumping this on you, but you've been really helpful in the past, and after Epsilon mentioned you I thought I'd ask you. If you think a different admin would be better to talk to about this, I'll do so. Thanks for reading my message anyway. [[User:Thalek Prime Overseer|Thalek Prime Overseer]] [[User talk:Thalek Prime Overseer|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:03, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
== Block ==


:Thank you! Apologies for the late response, I've been pretty busy recently. [[User:Thalek Prime Overseer|Thalek Prime Overseer]] [[User talk:Thalek Prime Overseer|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:52, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi. I've just found I've seemingly been blocked until 26 August. The notice gives the reason of vandalism and states the block started 26 Feb (which I know is incorrect as I was editing earlier today). Guessing it's some kind of bug. I've noticed [[User:FractalDoctor]] posted something on your talk page recently and it looks to be a similar issue. I'll keep refreshing as they did and see if that solves it. Thanks. [[User:66 Seconds|66 Seconds]] [[User talk:66 Seconds|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


== Strib vs Strid ==
:I had this on my first day here, then again the other day. A few refreshes resolved it. I also flagged it up here: https://tardis.wiki/wiki/Forum:General_Discussion_of_the_Fork#Bugs/fixes/etc. × [[User:Fractal|Fractal]] [[User talk:Fractal|<span title="Talk">•</span>]] 21:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
:: What's especially odd is that, looking at [[Special:BlockList]], no one was blocked on that date, so it's not even that you're getting assigned someone else's block.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 21:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


Hi, Scrooge. You seem to have been alternating between "Strib" and "Strid" in your recent edits and, knowing nothing about ''10,000 Dawns'', I was wondering which one is right? [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:57, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
== Re:SB ==


: No problem at all! [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:02, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
No, that's what everyone thought at first! But then in the airlock scene we went '''''entirely''''' the other way. That the episode seems ''nominally'' pro choice, but the underlying ethos it's asking us to adopt is simply pro life + pro welfare. (Treating the bogeyman as identical to the others, saying you save them all, etc etc.) Again, don't think this was intentional. I think it was Davies using iconography without a ton of care, being sloppy, and getting this result. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
:I simply disagree, if you're going to invoke that analogy, and then compare the villain to the harmless, helpless, babies in this way, and ''use this as justification for saving them'', I think that's going to inevitably stir up the metaphor again. Perhaps, however, this is influenced by the fact that when the parthenogenesis machine did the analysis for the composition on the bogey monster our immediate guess was unfinished, uncompleted babies rather than snot. (Frankly I didn't think RtD would be so juvenile on the opener. Ah, to be so optimistic as myself only 4 days ago.) So that might have colored how we read the airlock scene. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


== Heads up about the thanks extension ==
== Did you? ==


Hi. I just wanted to give you a heads up that Tardis is testing the "thanks" extension which Fandom will be rolling out to all wikis soon. This extension allows editors to thank other editors for their edits. The editor being thanked will then recieve a notification. Therefore, while you're actively performing edits, you may receieve a few more notifications than normal. If you notice any bugs, pass them onto [[User:Spongebob456]]. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:58, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Did you really do that just to get back at him for saying we were all coping? (I already made him read the [[The Cosmology of the Spiral Politic (feature)]] article, he's just being stubborn.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:34, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
:Well that certainly answers my question, but I was thinking of [[T-Time]], in light of the discussion this past week with SB Audio and the nature of Time Lords/the Doctor. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


== Two quick points ==
== FP forum ==


Just to clarify, I didn't intend my comment about "categories and delineations" to have anything to do about whether or not we should cast out parody - it was ''solely'' about authorial intent and narrative. But I can understand why it might be brought up for structuring a closing post. On another matter, [[:Category:Parodies and pastiches]] is in [[:Category:Non-DWU stories]], and contains both TDD and DW? (Interestingly, the addition of this category was made ''before'' any of the threads and talk pages I referenced in the thread.) Resolve this as you will. :P [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:00, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
Just refreshed it after the new episode for, uh, obvious reasons. If you have admin perms you might want to check in, someone posted some spam in the last day. Cheers. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
:It seemed minor enough. Only brought it up given the category issue that I stumbled upon during a brief historical dive. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:14, 30 May 2023 (UTC)


== Unavailable videos? ==
== Topical Pages ==


Hi, I was just flicking through some TV story pages and noticed all the videos that were in infoboxes (under 'memorable moments' etc) on the side have suddenly vanished or are no longer available. "This item is no longer available, but now that you're here, explore the Tardis!" Has something gone wibbly? — [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Send a space-time telegraph">@</span>]] 15:40, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Might it be worth adding Sutekh to the list of topical pages? <font face="Maven Pro" color="#000000"><b>— [[User:Fractal|Fractal]] [[User talk:Fractal|<span title="Talk">•</span>]]</b></font> 13:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


== Non-binary person ==
== IP user removing delete tags ==
I've changed "which" to "who" given that it's about people, but I do still find the wording a bit creaky. Where does the definition come from? Is it from ''The Lovecraft Invasion''? [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:11, 14 June 2023 (UTC)


: Okay, I'm happy with the current wording if you are, but I'm still curious as to where the definition comes from to make sure it's properly sourced. It's been a while since I listened to ''The Lovecraft Invasion'', so I don't want to assume. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:14, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
So the IP user who's been doing all the colour/clothing/pattern edits lately I've noticed has been removing {{tlx|merge}} and {{tlx|delete}} instances on a few pages ([[Baldric]] and [[Celadon (colour)]] being the latest examples I've noticed). I'm not sure if there's much that can be done but I thought it should be brought to an admin's attention. - [[User:CodeAndGin|<span style="color:green" title="CodeAndGin">CodeAndGin</span>]] | [[User_talk:CodeAndGin|<span title="Talk to me">🗨</span>]] |  19:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


:: Okie doke. Thank you. I'll be getting around to summarising ''The Lovecraft Invasion'' and I assume it must be explained to Constance at some point since she's from the '40s, so I'll be sure to include any definition given. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:16, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
== Passing on a recommendation ==


== Scorpion Gods ==
Ah. So, I came across a book that's currently on sale on Amazon, rather massively so. Since it seems to be relatively well written on a topic we've discussed before, and is a history written in a way I thought you might appreciate, I figured I'd pass it along. Even if it is, well, [https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Dissidents-Rebuilding-Foundations-Mechanics/dp/3662446618?ref=dlx_deals_dg_dcl_3662446618_dt_sl14_1f Amazon]. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:55, 15 July 2024 (UTC)


Given that he wrote the story in question it does seem like a bit of a coincidence, doesn't it? I was down for validity in the first place for him and Bucher-Jones, I don't have a toooonnnn of objections now. (tbf, I also don't think it's accurate to say that Bucher-Jones bio didn't reference FPU elements. But w/e) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:45, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
== IP editor removing deletion tags and reverting edits ==


== Lockdown ==
Hello, Scrooge. I think admin attention is needed with regard to the IP user's 2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:B548:8648:AF80:33B0 edits.


Just out of curiosity, did we ever make a final decision on the status on the Cook orchestrated Lockdown stories' validity? Might be something to reopen, if we feel up to it. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:29, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
They have been repeatedly reverting the removal of categories for "human war criminals" and "human war heroes" from several articles. Other editors and I had been removing them as in most of these cases there are no sources referring to them as such, and the IP editor's edit summaries only seem to be opinion based. There was a discussion on this on at [[Category talk:Human war criminals]], as a lot of the articles added appeared to be [[T:NO RW]] violations. They have also continually removed the deletion tags from "human war heroes" and "war heroes", two categories which they created. I have reverted their edits twice and have attempted to direct them to talk pages, but they have ignored this. Unfortunately, this isn't the first time they've done this. [[User:BlueSupergiant|BlueSupergiant]] [[User talk:BlueSupergiant|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:03, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
:Nah, I know the archives didn't, and [[Adventures in Lockdown]] doesn't cover everything, like [[Sven and the Scarf (webcast)]]. I don't think [[Talk:Doctor Who: Lockdown!]] actually ever decided on the class of stories as a whole? (Indeed, I think the discussion there leans towards us saying that post AiL the stuff not covered in AiL is invalid.) Just wondering if it was discussed elsewhere. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
::I did say "leans". (And yes, the issue of licensing is the relevant portion. "Clarification from Emily re. website stories" introduces enough ambiguity that I'm leaning towards skepticism now.) But if we're standing firm on validity until new evidence is presented given AiL and 554 that's fair enough. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:05, 28 June 2023 (UTC)


== Re: Tardis Data Core change to Tardis Wiki ==
:They're back again, as 2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:F8C3:883:E4A8:3972 this time, doing the same sort of overcat-ing and removal of delete tags. I am wholly convinced they are the same editor as from yesterday, and from my post a couple weeks ago (also the IP always has the same 4 numbers at the start: "2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01", which when taking their editing habits and writing style into account makes me ''fairly'' sure it's the same user). - [[User:CodeAndGin|<span style="color:green" title="CodeAndGin">CodeAndGin</span>]] | [[User_talk:CodeAndGin|<span title="Talk to me">🗨</span>]] |  01:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)


I think we may need a forum thread to actually settle this one, while I can see the logic of what you said over on my talk page, I also look at it from the perspective of a new user. The logo says 'Tardis Wiki' the name of the wiki is 'Tardis'. It's only when you deep dive on our documentation does it actually reveal what the wiki's name is and that requires a bit of an explanation to get there. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 14:58, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
::"2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:1BA:2728:183E:9D51" this time (at least the most recent one; there have been 3 different IPs with the same beginning numbers and editing patterns today; I don't believe they're switching IPs to circumvent the blocks, just that they have a dynamic one, which unfortunately makes tracking their edits a Sisyphean task) - [[User:CodeAndGin|<span style="color:green" title="CodeAndGin">CodeAndGin</span>]] | [[User_talk:CodeAndGin|<span title="Talk to me">🗨</span>]] |  12:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)


:I've gone ahead and created a forum topic for this, upon researching it realised I've led this sort of discussion in the past. [[Forum:Change name of wiki to Tardis Wiki]]. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 03:21, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
== Re: Notes ==


== SourceFilter reply ==
Oh! Well, in that case, my bad. @Tsumioni made me realise we have a large inconsistency, as 90% of pages still have "Story notes". Thanks for clearing that up. I've also left a note on @Tsumioni's talk page. <font face="Maven Pro" color="#000000">— [[User:Fractal|Fractal]] [[User talk:Fractal|<span title="Talk">•</span>]]</font> 00:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)


Do not fear, I'm probably the least malicious user on the wiki. I mean, I was taken slightly aback by [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Theory:Timeline_-_Ninth_Doctor?diff=3572198&oldid=3570432 the response] to the edit where I said it rarely seemed used was, ''Use it then!'', which I interpreted in an aggressive tone due to the explanation point. Problem is, and I've made this clear whenever it is brought up, I don't actually know how to use the template, it just showed up one day without instructions attached, which is probably why only a handful of users can use it with confidence, though sometimes only half-heartedly. And since I'm a follower of completionism, but unable to add the templates, the only option I was left with was removal, with the hope it might encourage someone who know how to make them to complete the work. Honestly, it was never "Just Because", if anything it was, "Because I can't".
== Talking dog ==


Now, you say it "is of some benefit". May I ask what these benefits are, because I personally disagree with the statement. These templates, as far as I understand them, serve to cut entries out if wished, which would be counterintuitive to the wiki's stance on embracing all stories as valid, or "canon" to use [[Russell T Davies]]' term. Not to mention I fear them interfering with <u>NOTES</u> and <u>REFERENCES</u> that utilise stories from, different platforms and mediums. On a minor note, I've noticed they caused a double space on the timeline theory page for Mickey Smith.
Sorry, my mistake! I'm usually the one leaving messages on these pages so I usually do check. And I'm generally very thorough with doing the mergers as they're a tricky / tedious thing to do, and it's often in the back of my mind that messing up these things are hard to undo. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 13:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)


I hope this explains things satisfactually, but I don't mind going into further details if needed. I look forward to hearing back from you.
== Re:Quantum ==
Sincerely,
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:50, 28 July 2023 (UTC)


==Copper-Colored Cupids==
Look, I get it. Rationally I know this. But when people start saying stuff like
Well yes, that's what I thought too, but when I went and checked it never actually says "Department of Festivities", but only Celebration-665. (Although a Department of Christmas does pop up in the fact file Father Christmas.) Although whether the name counts as a DWU element when the concept debuted earlier on is perhaps debatable... I may be wrong, of course, but I'm fairly sure the name "Department of Festivities" comes from Abcedarium. (Sorry, I'm not trying to tell you what happens in your own story, but am just recounting what I see)  
:the most provocative claims quantum physics makes is that observed objects are affected by that observation [...] importantly, it took not a scientist, but a historian, to realise the implication of that statement. Michel Foucault, a French historian, realised that it if the world was shaped by us, then we could change the world by changing how we thought
it just hits far too close to home to very real mistakes made by academics in the real world. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:(FYI, since I know you're a tumblr user, you might appreciate [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2261286307 this] VOD, since wordpress owns tumblr. Somewhat relevant. Also open source/trademark stuff.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)


(On the subject of short story Vs feature, I wasn't entirely sure which one ought to have been used, so thanks for clearing that up!)
== Categories being wrongly added/deleted ==


Many thanks, [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|📢]]  21:21, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi Scrooge, there's an IP user adding "war criminal" to pages which don't warrant it, and I believe they have been told to not do this previously. Might it be worth a forum topic to discuss only allowing logged in users to add categories, so this doesn't get abused? <font face="Maven Pro" color="#000000">— [[User:Fractal|Fractal]] [[User talk:Fractal|<span title="Talk">•</span>]]</font> 14:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)


: Ever so sorry, I was looking in holiday vignettes rather than lockdown vignettes, I read it wrong. Complete mess-up on my part, sorry for the inconvenience. :) [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|📢]]  21:38, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
== Uncategorised Templates ==


== R4bp ==
Hi Scrooge,


I absolutely intend to get to our talk page discussion near the end. There's an entire section called "Potential responses"! It doesn't yet have a subheading, but it's on the list locally on my computer for things to address. Similarly, I do have plans for the continuity vs references issue on individual pages. That response was an immediate one that sprang to mind. As for [[Forum:Is The Curse of Fatal Death canon?]], I have to disagree on how using "canon" taints the discussion, this was made in the interim period where they were actively writing [[T:VS]] and were just using the term "canon" to mean "proto valid". I also disagree that they ''specifically'' voted on whether or not the references were just too vague - Czech specifically refers to the idea that the reasoning used, (which I interpret to refer to) dragging something into continuity with a reference elsewhere, is counterintuitive. But I'll perhaps amend my post to reflect your knowledge of it. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:10, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
Would you be able to add a category to each of the templates currently on [[Special:UncategorizedTemplates]] using <noinclude>, as they're all locked for editing by admins only.
:I'm unconvinced that Tangerine's quote here establishes what you're suggesting. Certainly people didn't seem to hold similar views during the Infinity Doctors discussion a year later - failing to be protovalid didn't mean things ''actively didn't happen''. But I'll certainly note your objections as to using it as precedent. (I don't seriously think it's a defeater to R4bp in itself anyhow, as stated. It's one piece of evidence out of many.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:28, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
::Hoping that phrasing is better. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:08, 31 July 2023 (UTC)


== The Return of the Discombobulated Woman ==
Thanks, {{User:Gingerfool/Sig}} 22:22, 7 September 2024 (UTC)


Shortly prior to your deletion I began to suspect that ''The Myriad Carnival'' wasn't actually a charity anthology. I have had a quick look throughout the internet but fail to see anywhere that suggests this despite my prior belief that it was (perhaps you have knowledge that it is?). Also, this is not a ''Brenda and Effie'' story. It is essentially a prequel to ''Fellowship of Ink'' that happens to feature Brenda. So, unless ''The Myriad Carnival'' was a charity anthology, this story does not fail any previously established rules. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:52, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
: Thanks for cleaning it all up :) {{User:Gingerfool/Sig}} 13:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
: If you have no objections I will be remaking this page. I was incorrect in identifying it as a charity anthology, and beyond featuring Brenda it is not official part of the ''Brenda and Effie'' series that was deemed not to be covered. Therefore there appears to be no reason as to why we wouldn't cover this story. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:15, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:: I find it rude of you to tell me "don't do things like taking it upon yourself to "recreate" the page before you'd even heard back from me". You were active last night for several hours in other discussions despite ignoring my message to you, the least you could have done was say that you'd get back to me rather than it looking like a blatant snub. From my point of view you were lucky you even got the message telling you the page was being recreated. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:37, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
::: You made an ''immediate'' incorrect ruling based on a mistake that I had made without doing your own research/or reaching out to me. I realised my mistake and therefore it negated the reason you gave for the page's deletion. I'm not sure what rule you're accusing me of breaking here. How is this any different than if an admin were to delete a page for being incomplete and I decided to reinstate a completed version of said page? The reason for the page's deletion was now invalid, and therefore a recreation should be allowed without the need to even contact an admin. You were contacted purely out of courtesy on my part, and in return what should have been an instant approval was instead ignored for an entire day while you continued to actively participate in other discussions. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:55, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:::: The policy you have just presented is about established rules or rulings. No ruling was made against ''The Return of the Discombobulated Woman'' itself. You deleted the page because you believed that it went against two previous rulings (about charity publications and ''The Brenda and Effie Mysteries'') but as it didn't the page was free to be recreated. An admin deletion does not automatically create a new ruling and therefore there was no ruling against that story. The policy doesn't even mention deletions at all so if you believe an admin deletion should automatically create a new policy/ruling (which is inappropriate in my opinion) the policy needs updated.


:::: Could I suggest that you should perhaps get wiser with your deletions in future? I don't think you should be immediately springing to delete a page without doing your own research or giving the page's creator a chance to protect. You deleted my page mere moments after it was created. Had you added a deletion tag, or reached out to me, and allowed me a chance to have my voice heard this whole thing would have been avoided.
== 2023 ==


:::: No part of me stating that you ignored my message is a personal insult, and again it is very tiring to see that being used in an apparent attempt to try and stop someone's flow of speech in fear of being banned for NPA. The fact is you did ignore my message and that is not an accusation of bad faith because there could be many reasons as to why you ignored my message. But, I gave you ample opportunity to reply and when you didn't I created the page (which I was free to do so due to no policy/ruling being made against it). It is very likely you would still not have replied had I not gone ahead and created the page myself.
Hi, I'm currently in the middle of trying to update the release date pages so the year and day pages match up. I noticed you reverted several of my edits to [[2023 (releases)]], and I'm curious as to why. [[User:SilverSunbird|SilverSunbird]] [[User talk:SilverSunbird|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
: No problem, thanks for clearing that up. [[User:SilverSunbird|SilverSunbird]] [[User talk:SilverSunbird|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)


:::: So, again, I fail to see what I've done wrong. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:28, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
== A wrongly set up section redirect within ns:4 ==


::::: We'll have to agree to disagree. I decided that the ample time for an open-and-shut case that didn't even require me to reach out at all was a day and I stand by it. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello. Your recent redirect move la, [[Tardis:TARDIS]] links not to the section on [[Tardis:Character names]] entitled [[Tardis:Character names#The TARDIS|#''The'' TARDIS]], but just to [[Tardis:Character names#TARDIS|#TARDIS]], which doesn't exist… There's not really an obvious choice of talk page to raise that issue on, so I'm just asking you directly. Thanks. {{unsigned|JSmith5504}}


== Point ==
: As I happened to see this, I corrected it quickly. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|☎]] 15:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
I know you ''just'' closed [[Forum:Relaxing T:HONOUR]], so would you take a look at [[User:NateBumber/Sandbox/1]] and let me know if it would be [[T:POINT]]-breaking? – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 20:10, 7 August 2023 (UTC)


== The Lady in Red Returns ==
== NOTCOVERED ==
Re [https://tardis.wiki/w/index.php?title=Auteur_and_the_Homeworld_(poem)&curid=321516&diff=3861309&oldid=3861308 your edit] to [[Auteur and the Homeworld (poem)]], could you point out where this has been established? I don't recall the phasing out of [[NOTCOVERED]], only changing from [[NC]] to that. And certainly if there hasn't been a discussion over it [[T:BOUND]] would support its continued usage? {{User:Aquanafrahudy/Sig}} 14:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)


Hey. Hope you're doing well. You've missed a lot. I'd love to catch you up next time I have computer access.
: Ah, I had thought current practise pointed in the opposite direction for continuity sections too, but it seems I was mistaken. {{User:Aquanafrahudy/Sig}} 14:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)


Activist email: [email protected]
== Unnecessary category redirects ==


I will add you from a new Discord in a bit.
Hi Scrooge, would you be able to delete [[:Category:4DA Series 9 audio story images]] and [[:Category:The Fourth Doctor Adventures Series 9 audio anthology images]], as they are both unused and unnecessary; only existing because of mistakes whilst moving categories. The source code seems to be locked for them both though, so I can't put a delete tag there myself.


You will be . . . interested by the story. Love from the Island -Phoenix
Ta, {{User:Gingerfool/Sig}} 13:27, 30 September 2024 (UTC)


P.S. What happened to our beautiful colours? -SOTO{{User:SOTO/sig}} 19:00, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
:Ah right, sounds fine. Just wanted to make you aware of it ˙ᵕ˙ {{User:Gingerfool/Sig}} 14:59, 3 October 2024 (UTC)


== Also, since you're closing threads ==
== Colour Locking ==


I ''think'' we've had consensus at [[Forum:Tie-in website disclaimer pages & handling out of universe sections]] for over a month now. Obviously an admin's call. But that's my read on it. Cheers. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:14, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi Scrooge,
 
== Re: Sabbath ==
Yes, my understanding is that Sabbath was used with Miles' permission. The story was written around the same time of O'Mahony's collaboration with Miles on ''The Book of the War''. I recall reading discussion of this on the Jade Pagoda mailing list while searching for the text of the story. Unfortunately I can't link to that anymore. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 17:55, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 
== Inclusion Debates ==
 
Back in the old forums, we had a rule that you couldn't start an inclusion debate without consuming the work in question. (One I accidentally offended early on, if you'll recall.) It doesn't seem to have made the transition. I think it might be wise to reinstate it. If only for [[Forum:Validity: Meet Death's Head]]. (Though there are other reasons.) Just a suggestion. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:50, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 
== Just to clarify ==


Do you think the individual ''sections'' at [[User:Najawin/Sandbox 9]] are disorienting in themselves if used as individual pages? Since that wasn't addressed. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:06, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
Given the ongoing drama with an IP User(s) at [[Green]], could it be worth locking all colour pages to registered users only, to prevent the ongoing edit wars with IP users that are trying to break [[Tardis:Colour spectrum policy]] with their own conjecture?


== Re: Apology ==
{{User:Gingerfool/Sig}} 15:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)


I think it is completely unreasonable for you to expect me to apologise when you yourself acknowledged that you ''somehow'' didn't see the serious accusation of libel made against me. Your lack of action made me feel completely unseen and ganged up upon (and Shamblar, and others off-site, have also ackowledged that it may look that way). As a result I find it astounding that you still expect me to apologise for a small comment telling you not to act coy - surely you can understand that is how it looked with your apparent refusal to ackowledge Epsilon's disgression? And, I have nothing to apologise to Epsilon for.
== Re:Muppets ==


Don't want this to start any more drama, but seen as a note was made instructing me to apologise I wanted to explain my reasoning for not doing so. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:52, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
That comment was more about the DWU-ness of it all. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)


: I will certainly not be bullied into apologising. You can block me if you wish but you will be doing so in the knowledge that you have no basis. It is an overexertion of your powers as an admin to demand an apology for yourself when you were the one to cause the entire altercation be being seen to play favourites due to your ''misreading''. Saying that you were being "coy" isn't even an attack, it literally pointing out that you were refusing to give an definitive answer regarding Epsilon's rulebreak which I now know is down to the apparent ''misreading''.
== Re: Coleman likeness ==


: I won't use capitals in future. But as for everything else, I don't feel like there's any more to acknowledge. I'd question how fair it would be for you to block me considering you were a large part of the conflict, and actually cited by another admin as an instigator. But if you must, go for it. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:09, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
I'll diplomatically say that the likeness isn't striking. [[User:Jack|Jack]] [[User talk:Jack|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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Re: Re: Apology

You'll get no more clarity from me. I ignored you for a reason because you, like always, were going round in circles to get the final word. You are an admin, act like it. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎ 20:24, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

btw

You might want to protect Doctor Who (just because that page probably should be protected) and block the vandal. Najawin ☎ 14:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Admin help

Can I get an admin's eyes on Forum:TV Comic & other periodical issues? I just feel like I've been attacked in a very inappropriate way. OS25🤙☎️ 05:37, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

The Encyclopedia

An example.

Coffa: One of Jabe’s associates from the Forest of Cheem aboard Platform One. He was distressed to hear of Jabe’s death from the Doctor. (1 .2) (Played by PAUL CASEY)

MrThermomanPreacher ☎ 21:11, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Dirk Gently

Hi Scrooge, You said at Talk:The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (series) that you were going to make a thread on Dirk Gently. Do you mind if I make it, as I have a vague idea of how to do it, or do you want to do it? Aquanafrahudy 📢 13:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Okay. Aquanafrahudy 📢 13:17, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Popping in to ask

How's User:Najawin/Sandbox 9's sections (in terms of subsections + pictures? - best to scroll down a bit for best effect) this time? Najawin ☎ 01:59, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Alright, so whenever you think that should go live. (Obviously others can edit whenever they wish. Changes are still desired, especially since there's no S13 summary.) Najawin ☎ 04:16, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
Could you push them live when you have the time? Cheers. Najawin ☎ 18:26, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Companions of the 13th Doctor template action request.

As the Template for the Companions of the 13th Doctor is Locked (for good reasons), and I have suggested adding Different (Canaries)to the template but no one has replied to this (also understandable most people can be very busy). So I am making my pitch to you because on the talk page you have been the only active admin. at the end of The Paradox Moon (short story)Siblijg Different now going by Mae sets of into the universe travelling with the 13th Doctor. May I thus suggest you ad Different to said template, thank you. Anastasia Cousins ☎ 17:24, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Anastasia Cousins ☎ 16:45, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Re: Life on Magrs stuff

Yeah, think you're probably right about Autumnal cat drawings; for a start, I hadn't realised about the fact that it's a different fictionalised version of Bernard Socks, and the Manhattan map shouldn't have been created in the first place. Not sure I agree with you about the Iris Wildthyme in the Post, but I'm iffy on that one. The one written in the style of Story of Fester Cat we should probably keep, and I was iffy about the Rue Broca one, but I think that might pass. What's your opinion on the poems? Aquanafrahudy 📢 20:40, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

But if you read The Story of Fester Cat [+]Loading...["The Story of Fester Cat (novel)"], Fester is quite definitely a defined, rounded character. And the same character pops up in A Year Since and arguably in Fester Cat's poem. And surely that tangible character is copyrightable. (Also, Party Like it's 1979 [+]Loading...["Party Like it's 1979 (short story)"] certainly seems to suggest that certain fictional versions of characters reappearing are enough to satisfy rule 2) (can't comment on Bernard Socks, as I haven't read Welcome Home) Aquanafrahudy 📢 20:57, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Well, it has Fester speaking from a posthumous position, which he is able to in Story of Fester Cat, and it also more or less follows on from the end of Story of Fester Cat I think (but I'm not sure because a) I'm only halfway through the book and b) the book isn't linear). Aquanafrahudy 📢 21:06, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Come to think of it, do you think a dead anthropomorphic Fester Cat would be copyrightable? Aquanafrahudy 📢 21:12, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

The Curator returns

Hey. Finally back again. More stories for you, of course. Massive things. But first: Discord.

I've sent a friend request from a new account (Phoenix). We'll catch up there as soon as we're both online at the same time. (Internet access is still very much on the wibbly side.)

Mind adding me back to the channel, as well? Love from the Island.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 20:05, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Moving N-Space to "Primary universe"

I was reading a wiki page here a few days ago, and saw it refer to what has been typically called N-Space as a default term for the universe the Doctor Who franchise is set within as the "Primary universe", and I though that would be a good name that would put the "N-Space naming controversy" to rest. Unfortunately, I've forgotten in what story it was referred to as such, and can't citate the reference. I wanted to ask if you thought "Primary universe" would also make a good difference, and if you might know how to find the source? BananaClownMan ☎ 10:07, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Truth be told, I wish we could call it "The Doctor's universe" too, but, thanks to one Christopher Chibnall, to call it that would no longer be accurate, since he went out of his way to make it not the Doctor's universe, but their adopted one. I wonder why we can't just title the page "The Universe", like how Luna is titled the Moon or Sol is titled the Sun?BananaClownMan ☎ 17:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

I get what your going with, but I'm afraid I'm too literal minded to accept it. Oh, and sorry about the galleries width. I didn't know it was a rule, I just thought it was picked at random. BananaClownMan ☎ 09:26, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Re: And Today, You series

Okay, thanks. Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 12:45, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, didn't notice that. Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 06:53, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

T:POINT

Just out of interest, would a NuWho exclusion debate on my part be against T:POINT? Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 14:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I mean, personally, I interpreted those statements literally, and the point would have been that ordinary rule 4 apparently invalidates what most people are interested in us about. Probably still T:POINT violation, though. Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 14:35, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Citesource problem

I feel now is a good time to bring up the problem with the citesource template, if it is indeed preventing story titles from italicising just because they are untitled, which violates a policy I can't remember on how all story names' need to be italicised. Furthur more, is there anything that came be done with hyperlinks such as, (COMIC: Endgame (part four)), for example. The brackets within brackets just doesn't jive well. I remember talking about this grievance in a forum, but the forum has not been updates for a while now. BananaClownMan ☎ 09:30, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry

I figured since some sources are mentioned multiple times, we only need to specify the medium once. But I suppose you're right that context is necessary. Please accept my sincere apology. BastianBalthazarBux ☎ 15:26, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Definite article

Hi, Scrooge. I was just wondering what the current policy is on using the definite article in page names.

Specifically, I'm wondering if the likes of White Guardian and Black Guardian need to be moved to The White Guardian and The Black Guardian to comply with current policy and when pages for non-individuals need the definite article. For instance, why does The Dragon Scriptures have it when we don't have The Time Vortex or The Scrolls of Gallifrey? Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 21:50, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Okie doke, thanks for that. I haven't been keeping my eye on the forums and just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed something. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 22:51, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes

Good evening.

I was hoping to find some clarity regarding why continuity sections were being remade from an out-of-universe perspective, when they are reference in-universe events. I had contacted the main advocate of the edits, User:Epsilon the Eternal, and they pointed me in your direction by supplying me with this quote from Forum:Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes;

Going forward, an out-of-universe perspective should be favoured in all continuity sections if possible. This is a big ask, and although it's an ideal to trend towards I will not demand that we pull out all stops making valid stories' sections conform to this. However, given that we're going to be creating Continuity sections when none existed, I can and will ask that all continuity sections on invalid pages, and "continuity to non-valid sources" sections on valid or invalid pages, be written from an out-of-universe perspective. I think that ought to solve Czech's issue, to whatever extent it may have otherwise been a concern.@Scrooge MacDuck, Forum:Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes

Readying this, I am given the impression that only stories marked as in-valid are to have out-of-universe written summaries, and that valid stories are to retain an in-universe summery. Am I correct in that assumption?

Thank you for your time, Sincerely, BananaClownMan ☎ 20:04, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Recent edits

I'm coming to you directly to prevent any unneeded unpleasantness from happening, like you thinking I'm a vandal and blocking me over an honest misunderstanding.

I promise you I am not removing information, except the occasional titbits that are either incorrect or unrelated the the article. At worse, I'm just rewording some sentences to get more direct to the point and "trimming the fat", to coin a phrase, to avoid repetition. My main goal is to update the articles now that I have full access to the source material as part of my research into the Fourteenth Doctor's character in preparation for upcoming 2023 specials. Believe me, I dislike it when users delete information, too.

I hope to settles any trouble that has been caused. Sincrely, BananaClownMan ☎ 22:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh the removal of Whotopia: The Ultimate Guide to the Whoniverse was no accident, for two reasons. 1) It says "appears" and "imply", which means it is speculative and speculation has always been taboo on this wiki. 2) It dabbles in timelines, which have long been relegated to theory forums unless absolutely needed, in conjunction with the taboo against speculation. These points, plus its evident irrelevance to the short story itself, are why I took the initiative and removed it. BananaClownMan ☎ 00:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Editors shouldn't have to explain every edit they make, otherwise the wiki wouldn't feel like a safe place for contribution. I'll have been editing for 10 years next June, and we've done fine with some good faith and talking it out if there's a disagreement. BananaClownMan ☎ 00:26, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Would it be possible to get a link to a list of these policies? Because everyone's been coming out the woodworks lately throwing words like T:NPOV, BOUND and "by policy" at me, and I have no idea what they're talking about half the time. I'm just trying to edit like I always have, and seems I'm out of the loop on certain updates. BananaClownMan ☎ 00:36, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Forum:Clarifying in-universe deadnaming policy in response to Rose Noble

Hello. I am sorry for bothering you about this but I would like you to take a look at Forum:Clarifying in-universe deadnaming policy in response to Rose Noble as I feel that anonymous user 51.191.137.161 is skirting a bit to close to transphobia. (I am not saying they are but as a trans person I feel they are on the very edge of it) I would like you to at least step in and remained everyone to stay civil and polite. But due to the anonymous user having no prior contributions before this forum I feel that they really just arrived here specifically to add to this forum. Not to mention their constant accusations of that trans people are trying to make themselves the centre of the world which to me feels very very close to Transphobia and has made me rather uncomfortable. I added my views on the subject and soon after they immediately accused me of calling them cis and and said that is it foolish of me to think that trans people know more about being trans than cis people. I had not accused them of being cis. I was not even referring to anyone in particular. As well as arguing for real world people to have their deadnames on this wiki which I believe would be in breach of fandom policy. Now I will leave it up to you to decide what to do but please at the very least just step in and make sure everyone is playing nicely. and if I am in the wrong at any point in this please do inform. Anastasia Cousins ☎ 21:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Peri

Hi, Scrooge. I'm a little confused. Is there no limit to the length a story's coverage can be on a character's page anymore? Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 23:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

I extended it from three sentences to five before you reverted it. The biography as it is now doesn't actually integrate anything from other sources beyond two insights into Peri's thoughts and feelings from the novelisation. I don't really see the value in detailing absolutely everything she does in that one story and think the important things can easily be trimmed down by several hundred words.
Upon arriving on Thoros-Beta, Peri and the Doctor were attacked by the Raak and captured by Kiv's men, but they managed to escape with Yrcanos after Crozier attempted to interrogate him to learn what provoked the Raak. The Doctor began behaving oddly and betrayed his friends to Sil, leading Peri, Yrcanos and Dorf to stir up rebellion amongst the Thoros-Alphans until they were stunned by Frax and imprisoned.
Peri was chosen by Crozier to become the host for Kiv's brainwaves. Assisted by Matrona Kani, he experimented upon her, resulting in her mind being erased and Kiv taking control of her body. To prevent Crozier's discovery from making Kiv immortal and affecting evolution across the universe, the High Council used Yrcanos as an unwitting assassin to kill Kiv by destroying Peri's body with a CD phaser soon after the successful transfer. (TV: Mindwarp [+]Loading...["Mindwarp (TV story)"])
If that's not enough, I'm really going to have to go over everything I've written on her page, which I've limited to the key parts of her involvement in stories rather than complete walkthroughs. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 23:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
In which case, I'll aim for that much. At its current length, it's a bit indigestible. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 23:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

About spoilers

Just a double check. As it currently stands, I presume the policy on T:SPOIL ALLOW means spoilers are disallowed on any talk page outside of those limited examples right? Does it mean stuff in the Tardis talk: namespace, for instance? -- Tybort (talk page) 16:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Alright, but what I said before appears to also apply to the caveats in T:OFFICIAL INFO, too. -- Tybort (talk page) 17:26, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Bulgaria school murder

Hi, Scrooge. Got a familiar bit of spam at this page and its talk page. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 13:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Cite source template clarification needed

Hello Scrooge. Hope all has been well. Congrats on being a staff by the way! Great to see you are still around ^_^ Was hoping you could help me clarify a matter.

Given Doctor Who was off air for about a year, I have come back to find there is this new “cite source” template used on TARDIS for citing stories as we have always done here with in-line citations and so forth. However, while editing, I have noticed there is inconsistency in which style is used among various editors and also within articles on the wiki. For example, in the same section “cite source” is used for one story but the next it is the classic “TV: Story” style.

I checked the policy pages but am struggling to find the new “cite source” one; the T:CITE one still commands the usage of the classic style. Therefore, I thought it best to ask you which one we are meant to be using or if we are indeed using all three variations but it depends on the circumstances (in-universe or out-universe, real world articles or character articles). Can you help provide some clarification?

I look forward to hearing your reply! Snivy ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦ 22:16, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Ahhh, okay then! So I do use it and where I see someone is using the old style or where the old style is still on the article, I should convert it to the new “cite source” one in all cases (regardless of the article)? Snivy ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦ 22:39, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Great! The wider editing base is aware of this change yes? Some editors appear to keep reverting my changes regarding this style; edit warring risks occurring it seems if editors aren’t aware and I keep having to change them back to the “cite source” style - loads more work too. Snivy ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦ 17:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Executive decisions

When you've the time, Talk:Disney+ (in-universe) and Talk:Wild Blue Yonder (TV story) have stalled out discussion (imo) and could use an admin to make final calls on their topics. Najawin ☎ 23:08, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Page deletion

If you've the time, From the Doctor to My Son Thomas is just fundamentally flawed and should be deleted. It's blatantly plagiarized from wikipedia. Najawin ☎ 20:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Also, if you (or any admin who's online and reading talk pages) could have a look at Isaac Newton when you've the chance. The original IP user who accused me of violating T:NPOV is back and is vandalizing (#6) the page after Nate's ruling, refusing to accept it or move to the talk page. Blocking them and/or locking the page might be needed. (I'm removing myself as it's probably bordering on T:NO WARS here, even if it's technically vandalism.) Najawin ☎ 00:29, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Re:R4bp

As far as that thread goes, I'm perfectly willing to call that thread unresolved and start over, perhaps with a more narrow scope, or with a more structured framework for how to proceed. It's been two months just about since the last bit of movement there, and I'd have to reread the whole thing if there was a new response anyhow.

I do think there was some interesting lines of thought that we were working on, but the thread just became so long that there were, what, four, five of us who were engaged at the end? And those who tapped out earlier on missed out on just large swathes of that discussion. It seems a bit unreasonable for, in effect, four or five users to be having a discussion that's this foundational and everyone else to be filibustered out. But at the same time the issues at play are complicated and do require a lot of discussion. So there's just not a super clear answer here imo.

But I'd be willing to trust a third party admin, say Nate or Bongo, to call it unresolved and then open up a new thread with a more narrow scope or with specific rules of engagement (at least to begin with - something like analyzing Web Theory in particular in one thread, not discussing any other issues, or perhaps discussing how we deal with Roland Rat-esque situations and daisy chaining more broadly, etc etc) if you are. Najawin ☎ 18:20, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

That's fair enough, no worries. And I did have some idea as to what you've been so busy with, given the shiny new site and all. Najawin ☎ 19:38, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

User report.

Hello there. I suspect that user TheSuperMarioBros2023 is a sockpuppet account of Hulksmashtheworld/Theincrediblehulk2003/The Worldbreaker Hulk/Hulkbreaktheworld. That's all for now. --AzureKesil ☎ 09:46, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

RE: Missing thread

Ahh, I see. So the intention is simply transfer it to the Biography sub page, then just trim it down to roughly 3 sentences. In that case, it sounds relatively simple - it's less a complete rewrite or the article and simply just trimming it down a ton, with the original kept as a first draft to draw upon. Thank you for the addition! Snivy ✦ The coolest Pokemon ever ✦ 11:35, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Re:Templates and adaptions

I respectfully disagree. The "villain templates" are just for readers to get a quick look at which stories to look into to see where their favourite antagonists show up, hence we had that whole "when is a Dalek story a Dalek story and not just a story with the Daleks" debate a few years back. It's why the complete list of appearances is tagged on the bottom for a more deep dive into it.

What confuses me here is why there are now two editors adding The Giggle to the Toymaker's media box and not his first novelised story The Celestial Toymaker. And that's not even going into the bigger picture of then adding all adaptations to the other templates for consistency. Where would they go then? Would they get their own "Novelisations" group or be lumped in "Prose stories"? If the latter, how will we tell adapoted stories from original prose adventures? If the former, it will repentant because it's just repeating the TV stories in potentially anachronistic order.

Food for thought, BananaClownMan ☎ 14:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I meant the novelisations would be anachronistic in comparison to the their television originals, since the books were released at their own pace. For example, the Cybermen first appeared in novel form in the novelisation of The Moonbase, their second television serial. BananaClownMan ☎ 14:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

That is what I am trying to say. I'm just also noting that new editors unaware of the feature will most likely put them in episode order as opposed to release order, or reorganise them thinking they've been incorrectly placed due to being in the dark about the release order of the novelisations. It's just something to put into consideration if novelisations are to get their own group on character story templates. 14:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Pxrn uploads/vandalism

Looks like someone's bored and uploading inappropriate images here. — Fractal Doctor @ 20:35, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Master edits reply

Salutations. I wish to reply to you message on my talk page concerning my... "redrafts" of the Master pages, and hopefully clear up some confusion that seems to have taken place. Starting with the fact that I never intended my edits to come across as a redrafting of the articles. I started out updating them with some undocumented information, which I had intended to do when they were first individualised but never found the time before, and then took a closer look beforehand to see if there were anything else that needed editing.

Now, this cite source removal you mention. If you are referring to story links, you have me at a loss, since I actually went to great effort to avoid pasting over them when I was transferring updates from my Sandbox. But, if you are talking about the hyperlinks to the Master pages, like Delgado for the Master, I think there's been a misunderstanding on the intention. As I am sure you remember, we used to use those hyperlinks when Time Lord incarnations were on a single page to link the appropriate incarnation to the source. I even remember inventing some of them myself for this reason for the Rani and the Monk. Since incarnations now have their own page, I was simply cutting out the middle man when I could and just linking to the page the traditional way, like with the Tremas Master for example.

As for the this accusation, for lack of a better word, of removing information and my edits being "thoroughly out of order" and "wthout any clear justification", I'm afraid I must take umbrage with that. I'll tackle your comment from the Bruce Master about his bullet point on the "Echo" Master being moved to the Decayed Master first. Simply put, the "Echo" Master's bullet point was moved to the Decayed Master's page was because the information concerning the bullet point was on the Decayed Master's character profile, so it felt more appropriate to have the bullet point there for consistency.

Indeed, as I have said before, I too dislike when information is removed from an article, but sometimes bits have to be removed to avoid repetitiveness; why repeat the spirit of the same sentence when it can all be covered together in a paragraph?

As for your feedback mentioning some good being added that had to be reverted, in that you are correct, as many spelling and grammatical mistakes I fixed have been readded to the main article. For example, several "days to come" section are now covering the post-regenerations, again for lack of a proper term, instead of hints to the future heard from the past, or have been removed all together, and paragraphs are now starting behind images instead of underneath. As well as several valid updates to their psychological profiles, and the puzzling inclusion to the The Timeless Child citation on "References" to the source of the clips the Masters hail from, and the equally questionable removal of The Master's aliases from the character infobox. These reversions make me question why my edits were deemed "destructive", when, by all apparent accounts, they produced more positive updates than negative?

Now to clear up with I believe if the biggest misunderstand about this affair concerning my Sandboxes for the Master. I originally created them because the Master's incarnations were not individualised and comprised to a single page, which was hard to edit due to the sheer size, so I created the Sandbox pages to have a better editing space before moving the new information to the main page. Once the main page was separated into individual pages, the Sandboxes were no longer of any use, so I stopped editing them. I've only just now found the time to start transferring the information I never got round to adding to the main page over. I had actually thinking about putting some of the more redundant Sanboxes up for deletion once I had transferred the appropriate edits, only keeping the ones that delved into "head cannon", but I needed to sleep, so I stopped at the Saxon Master and planned to continue with Missy and the Spy Master before I started proposing deletions at a later date. So, as I hope I have explained, I do not intend to have my Sandboxes replace the main pages. I was just using them because they were easier to edit at the time.

For a final note, I'd like to tackle how you called my edits "unjustified". But, "unjustified" in what way? Do I have to write an explanation for every edits I make? Does that not go against good faith editing and my rights as a user to edit articles if I feel they need updating, and then justifying my actions when I revert an edit or restore my reverted contributions? What I'm trying to say is that I'd like more constructive feedback on this topic.

I hope you found this reply enlightening and satisfactory, Sincerely, BananaClownMan ☎ 19:22, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

With the image files, it's not really a policy. Images are just generally slotted between paragraphs. But, for some reason, editors are adding them to the beginning of the paragraphs, making it hard to tell when the image ends and the sentences begin.

I'm afraid I must disagree with your assertion that "Aliases of the Master" only applies to incarnations with multiple aliases. User:Epsilon the Eternal added Aliases of the Doctor to the Fifteenth Doctor to cover one nickname, and I believe the Masters' pages should follow a similar principle, if for no other reason than preparation for aliases future works will give them.

Truth be told, I've forgotten where "Backstory" came from. I think I just misread the "Origin" subheading on the Lumiat without noticing.

Am I right in understanding that the main problem with my edits is that I didn't fill in the edit description? If so I must apologies for this. You see, I have a communicational disability that can make getting my points across clear, so I usually only fill in the description box when it's completely necessary. The rest of the time, I just assume readers will see what my edits are and come to same conclusion I had for making them. I hope that helps you understand my actions regarding leaving them blank.

Sincerely, BananaClownMan ☎ 02:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I have some confusion on this biography reorganisation point I would like to cover before I start penning my full reply. Am I wrong in that you recently reorganised the Toymaker's timelined biography without a talkpage debate or even an explanation in the edit description box? It's just really confusing for me at the moment to read one while another is apparently being practised. BananaClownMan ☎ 02:53, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

QA

Honestly this looks so bad I think it might merit going to Czech and asking him to talk to the team involved before this is UCP 2.0. The mandatory 3 answers per page is, frankly, surreal.

As far as email goes, still the same hangups. At least in part because my email accounts involve my actual name and creating new ones is such a hassle these days. (Why do you need my phone # for verification? I don't want you to have that.) In absolutely, entirely, completely unrelated news, were you aware that a friend of mine and DAVIS's did a recent review on Alien Bodies on yt? Completely unrelated of course. Najawin ☎ 21:29, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Well, it's a very isolated place with very few prying eyes and everything is, importantly, deletable.
It's just a hangup for me. Past trauma. Maybe in a year or three. We can hope. Nothing personal, I promise, and I am working on it with a therapist. Najawin ☎ 22:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
I truly don't believe having an account there would be psychologically healthy for me. Addictive personalities run in my family and I've had bad experiences with social media usage in the past. While TBCotW was ongoing I noticed some bad behavior on my part without having an account and merely reading what others wrote. Only being able to interact as a guest places a rather large buffer there. Just. I'm fine finding out when everyone else does. I just wanted to make sure it was on people's radar as the problem I think it is. Najawin ☎ 23:14, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
(Ugh. Gah. I'll think about it. I do have a twitch, under a slightly different username, if you've one. I don't use whispers much on there, but given I technically already have it, you know.)
That's roughly my thoughts on the subject as well, but I brought up similar objections on their last blogpost about it and they just brushed them aside, saying that individual questions could be deleted so there'd be no problem. I think it's a UCP problem all over again, they're starting with small wikis and scaling up, so haven't thought about the unique problems that large wikis present. Najawin ☎ 23:49, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
'This user has turned on "Block Whispers from Strangers" in their privacy settings and must start a conversation with you first.' Najawin ☎ 00:19, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism

Didn't take long for a vandal to come along. User 172.70.90.79 is posting inappropriate vandalism on the Thirteenth Doctor and other pages. Same goes for 172.71.134.112. FractalDoctor ☎ 00:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Nice of them to allow the testing of the block feature. I guess it was sadly to be expected that we'd get some vandals since the new URL has been widely promoted on social media (and one platform in particular). Sigh. Thanks for the blocks though. You admins are great :) FractalDoctor ☎ 00:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Block bug?

Morning Scrooge. I woke up earlier to find I was seemingly blocked until August 2024 for "vandalism" - however I have been editing both versions of the Wiki for years now and I'm not sure what happened? I have since refreshed a few times and now I am able to edit pages again. Just flagging it up - is it a bug? (Also, I did notice that when I was blocked it was impossible to get in touch with an admin on site, as it prevented me from adding to / editing Talk pages too. Is there a workaround for such cases?) Hopefully it was a weird glitch in the Matrix! — Fractal Doctor • 09:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Twitch

Oh that's a bother. From googling it seems like this is something they toggle from time to time. And yeah, I saw OS12 migrated over after I asked that. Najawin ☎ 01:17, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Hey, about the thing we discussed earlier, what's your math background? I'll start with a rough outline based on that and figure out how I'll get it to you. Najawin ☎ 22:37, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Block

Hi. I've just found I've seemingly been blocked until 26 August. The notice gives the reason of vandalism and states the block started 26 Feb (which I know is incorrect as I was editing earlier today). Guessing it's some kind of bug. I've noticed User:FractalDoctor posted something on your talk page recently and it looks to be a similar issue. I'll keep refreshing as they did and see if that solves it. Thanks. 66 Seconds ☎ 20:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I had this on my first day here, then again the other day. A few refreshes resolved it. I also flagged it up here: https://tardis.wiki/wiki/Forum:General_Discussion_of_the_Fork#Bugs/fixes/etc. × Fractal • 21:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
What's especially odd is that, looking at Special:BlockList, no one was blocked on that date, so it's not even that you're getting assigned someone else's block.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 21:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Re:SB

No, that's what everyone thought at first! But then in the airlock scene we went entirely the other way. That the episode seems nominally pro choice, but the underlying ethos it's asking us to adopt is simply pro life + pro welfare. (Treating the bogeyman as identical to the others, saying you save them all, etc etc.) Again, don't think this was intentional. I think it was Davies using iconography without a ton of care, being sloppy, and getting this result. Najawin ☎ 00:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I simply disagree, if you're going to invoke that analogy, and then compare the villain to the harmless, helpless, babies in this way, and use this as justification for saving them, I think that's going to inevitably stir up the metaphor again. Perhaps, however, this is influenced by the fact that when the parthenogenesis machine did the analysis for the composition on the bogey monster our immediate guess was unfinished, uncompleted babies rather than snot. (Frankly I didn't think RtD would be so juvenile on the opener. Ah, to be so optimistic as myself only 4 days ago.) So that might have colored how we read the airlock scene. Najawin ☎ 01:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Did you?

Did you really do that just to get back at him for saying we were all coping? (I already made him read the The Cosmology of the Spiral Politic (feature) article, he's just being stubborn.) Najawin ☎ 03:34, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Well that certainly answers my question, but I was thinking of T-Time, in light of the discussion this past week with SB Audio and the nature of Time Lords/the Doctor. Najawin ☎ 03:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

FP forum

Just refreshed it after the new episode for, uh, obvious reasons. If you have admin perms you might want to check in, someone posted some spam in the last day. Cheers. Najawin ☎ 02:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Topical Pages

Might it be worth adding Sutekh to the list of topical pages? — Fractal • 13:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

IP user removing delete tags

So the IP user who's been doing all the colour/clothing/pattern edits lately I've noticed has been removing {{merge}} and {{delete}} instances on a few pages (Baldric and Celadon (colour) being the latest examples I've noticed). I'm not sure if there's much that can be done but I thought it should be brought to an admin's attention. - CodeAndGin | 🗨 | 19:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Passing on a recommendation

Ah. So, I came across a book that's currently on sale on Amazon, rather massively so. Since it seems to be relatively well written on a topic we've discussed before, and is a history written in a way I thought you might appreciate, I figured I'd pass it along. Even if it is, well, Amazon. Najawin ☎ 02:55, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

IP editor removing deletion tags and reverting edits

Hello, Scrooge. I think admin attention is needed with regard to the IP user's 2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:B548:8648:AF80:33B0 edits.

They have been repeatedly reverting the removal of categories for "human war criminals" and "human war heroes" from several articles. Other editors and I had been removing them as in most of these cases there are no sources referring to them as such, and the IP editor's edit summaries only seem to be opinion based. There was a discussion on this on at Category talk:Human war criminals, as a lot of the articles added appeared to be T:NO RW violations. They have also continually removed the deletion tags from "human war heroes" and "war heroes", two categories which they created. I have reverted their edits twice and have attempted to direct them to talk pages, but they have ignored this. Unfortunately, this isn't the first time they've done this. BlueSupergiant ☎ 23:03, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

They're back again, as 2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:F8C3:883:E4A8:3972 this time, doing the same sort of overcat-ing and removal of delete tags. I am wholly convinced they are the same editor as from yesterday, and from my post a couple weeks ago (also the IP always has the same 4 numbers at the start: "2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01", which when taking their editing habits and writing style into account makes me fairly sure it's the same user). - CodeAndGin | 🗨 | 01:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
"2A00:23C7:AE85:3A01:1BA:2728:183E:9D51" this time (at least the most recent one; there have been 3 different IPs with the same beginning numbers and editing patterns today; I don't believe they're switching IPs to circumvent the blocks, just that they have a dynamic one, which unfortunately makes tracking their edits a Sisyphean task) - CodeAndGin | 🗨 | 12:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Re: Notes

Oh! Well, in that case, my bad. @Tsumioni made me realise we have a large inconsistency, as 90% of pages still have "Story notes". Thanks for clearing that up. I've also left a note on @Tsumioni's talk page. — Fractal • 00:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Talking dog

Sorry, my mistake! I'm usually the one leaving messages on these pages so I usually do check. And I'm generally very thorough with doing the mergers as they're a tricky / tedious thing to do, and it's often in the back of my mind that messing up these things are hard to undo. --Tangerineduel / talk 13:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Re:Quantum

Look, I get it. Rationally I know this. But when people start saying stuff like

the most provocative claims quantum physics makes is that observed objects are affected by that observation [...] importantly, it took not a scientist, but a historian, to realise the implication of that statement. Michel Foucault, a French historian, realised that it if the world was shaped by us, then we could change the world by changing how we thought

it just hits far too close to home to very real mistakes made by academics in the real world. Najawin ☎ 18:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

(FYI, since I know you're a tumblr user, you might appreciate this VOD, since wordpress owns tumblr. Somewhat relevant. Also open source/trademark stuff.) Najawin ☎ 02:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Categories being wrongly added/deleted

Hi Scrooge, there's an IP user adding "war criminal" to pages which don't warrant it, and I believe they have been told to not do this previously. Might it be worth a forum topic to discuss only allowing logged in users to add categories, so this doesn't get abused? — Fractal • 14:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Uncategorised Templates

Hi Scrooge,

Would you be able to add a category to each of the templates currently on Special:UncategorizedTemplates using , as they're all locked for editing by admins only.

Thanks, SID'gingerfool'RAT - ☎🔎 |📂|📝 22:22, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning it all up :) SID'gingerfool'RAT - ☎🔎 |📂|📝 13:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

2023

Hi, I'm currently in the middle of trying to update the release date pages so the year and day pages match up. I noticed you reverted several of my edits to 2023 (releases), and I'm curious as to why. SilverSunbird ☎ 23:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for clearing that up. SilverSunbird ☎ 23:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

A wrongly set up section redirect within ns:4

Hello. Your recent redirect move la, Tardis:TARDIS links not to the section on Tardis:Character names entitled #The TARDIS, but just to #TARDIS, which doesn't exist… There's not really an obvious choice of talk page to raise that issue on, so I'm just asking you directly. Thanks. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by JSmith5504 (talk • contribs) .

As I happened to see this, I corrected it quickly. Bongo50 ☎ 15:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

NOTCOVERED

Re your edit to Auteur and the Homeworld (poem), could you point out where this has been established? I don't recall the phasing out of NOTCOVERED, only changing from NC to that. And certainly if there hasn't been a discussion over it T:BOUND would support its continued usage? Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 14:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I had thought current practise pointed in the opposite direction for continuity sections too, but it seems I was mistaken. Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 14:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Unnecessary category redirects

Hi Scrooge, would you be able to delete Category:4DA Series 9 audio story images and Category:The Fourth Doctor Adventures Series 9 audio anthology images, as they are both unused and unnecessary; only existing because of mistakes whilst moving categories. The source code seems to be locked for them both though, so I can't put a delete tag there myself.

Ta, SID'gingerfool'RAT - ☎🔎 |📂|📝 13:27, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah right, sounds fine. Just wanted to make you aware of it ˙ᵕ˙ SID'gingerfool'RAT - ☎🔎 |📂|📝 14:59, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Colour Locking

Hi Scrooge,

Given the ongoing drama with an IP User(s) at Green, could it be worth locking all colour pages to registered users only, to prevent the ongoing edit wars with IP users that are trying to break Tardis:Colour spectrum policy with their own conjecture?

SID'gingerfool'RAT - ☎🔎 |📂|📝 15:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Re:Muppets

That comment was more about the DWU-ness of it all. Najawin ☎ 00:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Re: Coleman likeness

I'll diplomatically say that the likeness isn't striking. Jack ☎ 13:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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