User talk:OncomingStorm12th

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Re: Talk page

Ah, it wasn't that it didn't work - I simply hadn't completed the process. I had to go offline to do something, leaving this half done. Thanks for the advice though, it's appreciated. Epsilon (Contact me) 00:25, October 17, 2020 (UTC)

Speedy rename

Could you do me a favor and move The Wintertime Paradox: Festive stories from the World of Doctor Who to The Wintertime Paradox (anthology) real quick? I'll do the busywork and tidy up all the links once you do, it's just really bugging me :') – N8 (☎/👁️) 19:01, October 17, 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism/Block

User:AuntyAntt and 178.62.118.65 could use a block when you have the time, and Natalie Robyn should probably be protected. Najawin ☎ 20:34, October 21, 2020 (UTC)

Also User:SAGARBEST Najawin ☎ 20:39, October 21, 2020 (UTC)

The Crimes of Thomas Brewster Editing and Errors

Hey Oncoming, hope you're well. I was originally going to write this on Shambala108's talk page but they seem to be busy and since you're more of an AUDIO expert I thought I would consult you. I listened to The Crimes of Thomas Brewster today and was about the add the plot when I started reading the page entry and realised that there are a lot of errors and a LOT of misinformation. I can see from the history page that you, Danochy and Shambala have been adding a bit to it over the past little while but some stuff needs to be corrected. For example, there's a link to a page for [[Literatos II]]. I listened very carefully to that joke/sarcasm the Doctor tells DI Menzies and the planet is actually called Literalis II (it's hard to catch at first but Colin Baker definitely pronounces it with an 'L'), I guess it's supposed to be a joke on the word "literal". The problem is that, as I just linked, a whole page has already been made for it. So my first question is, how do I deal with incorrect pages like that? I know I'm not supposed to delete them, am I supposed to inform a moderator to delete it or something? Also, I may need someone to go over the page once I'm done editing tomorrow, not just to clean up my mistakes but also, because I haven't listened to a lot of Sixth Doctor audios, there are a LOT of continuity references and such that went over my head. I tried to note whatever I could, but I was just hoping that, if I add the bare text that I wrote down for it, someone could make a note to go through and expand whatever I mention? For example, DI Menzies in the story talks a lot about already having met the Doctor in another adventure but I don't know what adventure that was and I think I missed a lot of the references to that adventure.

Thank you again and I'm sorry I hope I'm not coming across as rude. I was just a bit surprised by the discovery, that's all, but we all have bad days or forget things. Cheers! DoctorQuoi ☎ 05:34, October 24, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

Hey Oncoming, got your message! Thank you so much for that incredibly instructive breakdown. Also, I'm really glad I didn't come across as rude or snarky, I was just honestly concerned about the page. I imagine a lot of users read these summaries to get a better idea of whether the audio is worth purchasing. I've certainly consulted a page or two before buying, as they can get pretty expensive haha! I also apologize, I know I said I'd update AUDIO: The Crimes of Thomas Brewster but as always real-life got in the way, so I'll try do it today or at the very latest by end of next week.

Before I get back to you with changes regarding that story, I did also want to bring your attention to another audio. AUDIO: Invaders from Mars has a page linked to it called Time Lord (Invaders from Mars). I finished editing the page yesterday, adding part 4 of the plot and updating all the relevant Cont./Note/Disc. sections. I noticed that the person who linked it actually didn't catch the reference properly, the "reference" was actually a "Continuity", and was a reference to the story TV: The Time Meddler and the "amoral Time Lord" was actually the Monk. So I suspect the page Time Lord (Invaders from Mars) needs to be deleted, because this page really just refers to the Monk. Just thought I would let you know!! Will be in touch soon regarding Crimes of Brewster! Otherwise, happy Halloween for next week (if you celebrate)! DoctorQuoi ☎ 18:52, October 25, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

Hey! Firstly, I'm so sorry for getting back to you so late, funny you should mention taking my time for doing the summaries, as I'm afraid this week has become exceedingly busy, so I'm afraid that's going to be exactly the case haha. Nonetheless, thank you for the kind reply as always and for going easy on a newbie like myself! So, firstly, with regards to Time Lord (Invaders from Mars), I actually didn't realise the vagueness in the story, so my apologies, that's on me. I forgot to mark the time-stamp where it was mentioned, and I, unfortunately, don't have much time to go back and listen to it again (although it's an amusing story haha, but I always enjoy Mark Gatiss episodes!) so I'm afraid I can't quite jog your memory. Do we happen to have a script for this story? It would just be an easy "ctrl"+"f"+"amoral Time Lord" and confirm or deny our suspicion. I am so sorry, I'm usually more diligent than this, I guess I just heard 11th century and Time Lord and my mind immediately latched onto TV: The Time Meddler. I guess for now we should just stand by the original edit and say that it's too anonymous to tell, but under continuity, as you suggested, make a mention that similar to that situation, the Doctor encountered an amoral Time Lord named the Monk when he landed in the 11th Century in Northumbria? I'll leave the judgement call and updating the article in your more capable hands? I'm worried I've done enough damage as it stands haha.

Secondly, because I'm a bit occupied this week, I'll only be able to update The Crimes of Thomas Brewster part-by-part each day. I just wanted to let you know in case you wanted to go through the edits after I make them to ensure they're following proper wiki guidelines and there's no mistakes. It would just help a lot this one time because I'll use this as a guideline/learning experience to see how to edit the wiki's properly according to the standards you want to set for editing AUDIO pages in future. I'll start with part 2 right now actually. Hope you're doing well! Any Doctor Who-related Halloween plans? I'm going to be watching TV: The Curse of Fenric for the first time on the new TV (it scared me too much as a teenager, so it's the perfect setting haha)! DoctorQuoi ☎ 02:45, October 27, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

RE: Serious harassment from admin Scrooge MacDuck

Hello, I have no idea what to do but I believe I am the victim of serious harassment by fellow admin User:Scrooge MacDuck.

I have posted a comment on User:Shambala108's page, but wanted to consult at least two admins as I fear being immediately banned by Scrooge. DiSoRiEnTeD1 ☎ 17:23, October 28, 2020 (UTC)

OS12th, I refer you to the message I left at Shambala's talk page (and to my message on DiSoRiEnTeD1's own talk page) for more context on his behaviour and the circumstances of his, I think you'll agree, well-warranted (and even rather lenient!) two-week block earlier this month.

As I said there: as a show of good faith and in the hope that it will make DiSoRiEnTeD1 reconsider his bizarre conspiracy theories, I will not block DiSoRiEnTeD1 for this. Feel free to do so yourself if you think it right, however. It's up to you and other admins — or rather, it's up to Wiki polciy. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 17:29, October 28, 2020 (UTC)

You gained the status of an admin and went through several open discussions that you had been involved with and resolved them to your own satisfaction.

I did not attempt to disrupt the Wikia - had I attempted to do so I would have reopened said discussions. But no, I simply took my problem to an admin and questioned what had happened - you stated that this was me "reopening the discussion" and blocked me.

Since then I made a single edit, you accused me of disrupting the Wikia and have threatened to ban me by Sunday if you haven't received an apology. DiSoRiEnTeD1 ☎ 17:32, October 28, 2020 (UTC)

DiSoRiEnTeD1, this is quite enough of you crowding out other people's talk pages with messages not addressed to them. Your (rather feeble) defence of your edits back in early October is something you should have brought to my talk page, on Community Central, weeks ago. This is what Help:I'm blocked is for, and I pointed you to it in my blocking rationale back then.

If you have anything more to say to me, please take it to my talk page. For the third time, I will not block you if you do this. In fact I have publicly pledged not to block you anyway, and to leave the matter of your discipline for your actions today to other admins. But please communicate. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 17:36, October 28, 2020 (UTC)

RE:Admin behaviour

The story had already been ruled invalid so Scrooge was unable to overrule this decision. The new thread was regarding the story’s coverage as a whole - which he ruled entirely in his favour.

I did not create another thread about the story’s validity. I asked an admin to review the decision by a new admin as I believed that they were unfair as he had been involved in the discussions and as a result was not neutral (I did not know that this was not against the rules). Which I still think should be the case - had I been promoted as an admin I could have simply done the exact same thing in my favour, which isn’t fair.

And I did NOT violate T:POINT regarding River Song. I made the initial change and someone took issue with that, therefore the change that should have remained was mine - as that was that state of the page when the discussion was raised. The page has since had River as Human / Porto-Time Lord for months now until a user recently changed it. I simply changed it back to the state of the page when the discussion was raised, and now received the outrageous threat of a ban.

He only said that he wouldn’t ban me when I called him out on the harassment. Before that he demanded I apologise to him before Sunday or he ban me! DiSoRiEnTeD1 ☎ 20:35, October 28, 2020 (UTC)

To be fair to DiS, their placement of human in the infobox was simply reverting an edit User:BananaClownMan took during the time after our discussion stalled out as no consensus has been reached. (BCM not being one of the participants and ostensibly not knowing that it existed) I reverted the edit effectively on instinct given the change + reasoning given, and had it stated "T:BOUND violation" I likely wouldn't have.

I note that I'm quite confident the current policy would actually be to have her listed as not being a human as well, due to the edit history presented at Talk:River Song - given BCM made to her infobox species and it stood for quite some time before DiS made his own change and immediately caused controversy, but that's not how we've been treating it throughout our discussion. Najawin ☎ 20:51, October 28, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, just to clarify something quickly: my issue with DiSoRiEnTeD1's River Song edit was not so much the edit itself (which is a bit of a can of worms as described above) as that, in the edit summary, DiSoRiEnTeD1 justified himself by making claims about the status of consensus on the talk page. Regular users aren't supposed to decide when there's consensus, or make edits based on that. There may have been valid reasons to do the same edit that DiSoRiEnTeD1 performed! But he was clearly doing it for the wrong reasons. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 20:56, October 28, 2020 (UTC)

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I was not doing it for the "wrong reasons".

There was an edit war on River Song's page months ago, User:Shambala108 stepped in and made a decision that "Human" was to be on the page until a consensus was reached in the open discussion. This can be seen in Shambala's reversal of User:Najawin's removal of "Human" from the page (which nobody changed for over three months until the edit that I took issue with). There has not been a consensus reached, and I know that because there hasn't been an admin ruling - so this user was, knowingly or not, reverting an edit which an admin had put in place to prevent edit warring.

To get threatened with a ban for this is utter lunacy. DiSoRiEnTeD1 ☎ 21:02, October 28, 2020 (UTC)

…Also to be clear, my “threatened” ban (which was actually more of “I should, if I were throwing the book at you, block right now, but I'm giving you a way to wriggle out of it” ban) wasn't just based on DiSoRiEnTeD1's edit rationale at River Song. It was, in my mind, of apiece with his flagrant breach of the code of conduct laid out at Help:I'm blocked — facts dating back several weeks, but which had only just become known to me. I should have thought that was obvious, given the amount of my original talk page message which is devoted to that. Sorry if it wasn't. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 21:06, October 28, 2020 (UTC)

Telling someone that you will block them if they haven't apologised to you by a specific date is blackmail, threatening and purely disgusting. Something I have never seen an admin on any Wikia do. I will not speak to you privately and I will not be forced to.

This is my final reply to anyone other than Oncoming. DiSoRiEnTeD1 ☎ 21:11, October 28, 2020 (UTC)

While some may think that I am going on a bit, it really is frustrating to be accused of violating T:POINT by two admins when I truly have done no such thing.

Here's a breakdown of what actually happened;

On May 27, 2020 I added "Human" to River Song's template. For some context, Proto-Time Lord has never been stated in-universe to strictly be a human-descended species and therefore I believe that human should be specified in River's infobox. This change was initially reverted by User:BananaClownMan, and I reverted it back. Then User:Snivystorm reverted my edit and I made an additional edit to include my change. This would have been my final edit before opening a discussion, to avoid edit warring. While no subsequent changes were made to the page during that period, a lengthily discussion was held on my talk page between myself, Snivystorm and User:SarahJaneFan, where it was agreed that we would all have to listen to the audio stories again before we were able to say with certainty that Proto-Time Lords were a human descended species, therefore human was left on the page for the time being.

No further change had still been made by July 9, 2020 when User:Najawin opened a discussion titled "Human vs Proto-Time Lord" on River's talk page. The discussion received no interaction and on June 12, 2020‎ Najawin changed River's to remove "human". Presumably to avoid edit warring, although I can't speak for anybody else, User:Shambala108 stepped in to reverse the change made by Najawin to my version which included "human". Throughout July Najawin's discussion received significant traction but once again fizzled out into nothing.

Then on 25 September, 2020 BananaClown once again removed "human" from River's infobox. As Shambala had stepped in to reverse a similar edit months previously, and since then there had been no alternative ruling by an admin, I reversed the edit citing "no concensus has been reached" only for my edit to be reversed by Najawin (who, going by the chain of events and that their change had already been reversed by an admin, was actually the one violating T:POINT).

Yet it was me who was accused of "stirring up trouble" and "claiming spurious admin authority", and I simply refuse to believe that this wasn't a result of a vendetta against me seeing as it was a totally acceptable edit and the first one I had done in nearly a month! DiSoRiEnTeD1 ☎ 21:43, October 28, 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry but this is completely unacceptable. You have just admitted that my change to River Song's page today - which I will be immediately making once again - was acceptable. Yet you refuse to condemn an admin that decided to send me an aggressive message about me attempting to "stir up trouble", etc, because of this correct change. It boggles the mind.

Likewise, there was absolutely no reason for me to be threatened with a ban if I did not apologise for an earlier "offence" - which I have already severed the time for. Regarding that offence it is absolutely ridiculous too, I have been through T:POINT and at no point does it say that you cannot ask an admin to review another admin's changes - especially that of a rookie admin who has possessed the privleges for a couple of days. DiSoRiEnTeD1 ☎ 21:53, October 28, 2020 (UTC)

The Master template

Hi how are you? I noticed that you recently archived the latest posts in the Master's talk page, but in doing so, you also archived the templates at the top. I just wanted to check to see if this was intentional or not, as the template info seems like something that should always be on the talk page rather than hidden away in the archives. LauraBatham ☎ 23:55, November 5, 2020 (UTC)

Redlink in "Add Page' pop-up

Hey :) So as I'm sure you know, when you click on "Add Page", the option to create a new page with a new name or create a redlink page is presented. There's currently a redlink (named "The Nighmare of TV Centre) which is wrong. It is in reference to the existing page The Nightmare of Television Centre (documentary), is there any chance you can remove this redlink from that menu since it's just the wrong name for an exisitng page? Thanks :) Moxxofbalhoon ☎ 15:58, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

So it's a bit of a muddle because the title card calls it "TV Centre" but every mention of the documentary on Nightmare of Eden (TV story) uses "television" (and this was before I corrected any links). I shall do a bit more digging and get back to you

So, very confusingly, both names are used interchangeably. On IMDb it's listed "TV" but on news sites and review sites, they refer to it as "Television". Honestly, I'll leave it up to you to decide, thanks for your help :) Moxxofbalhoon ☎ 16:19, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

DVD documentaries

Hi OncomingStorm12th, thank you for renaming The Nightmare of TV Centre (documentary). I was wondering if you could rename the remaining DVD documentaries without the dab term; I've already added the Speedy rename template to all of them, and will start to change the links in List of Doctor Who documentaries and List of Doctor Who DVD special features accordingly. It would remove all the redlinks in the DVDDOC navbox, as pages exist for all those links just incorrectly named. Thank you in advanced. Doc77can ☎ 18:01, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Oh, it's just that I was cleaning up most of the page names, as well as adding the dab term - there were a few typos, page names not matching title cards, replacing dashes with colons, making sure the names of pages from the same documentary series match; that sort of thing; trying to kill two birds with one stone. Doc77can ☎ 21:04, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

The following 11 pages have name issues that I described above -

• Grimm Tales should be Grim Tales (documentary)
• John Kane Remembers... should be John Kane remembers "Planet of the Spiders" (documentary)
• Mary Celeste (documentary) should be Mary Celeste and other Maritime Mysteries (documentary)
• On Location should be Resurrection of the Daleks: On Location (documentary)
• Paddy Russell - A Life in Television should be Paddy Russell: A Life in Television (documentary)
• Perfect Scenario should be The Perfect Scenario (documentary)
• Philip Segal (interview) should be Philip Segal Interview (documentary)
• Playing with Time should be Playing with Time: Scoring Doctor Who (documentary)
• Restoration (The Time Meddler) should be The Time Meddler Restoration: Before & After (documentary)
• Restoration Comparison should be The Time Monster: Restoration Comparison (documentary)
• Visual Effect should be Visual Effect: The Modelwork of "The Invisible Enemy" (documentary)

plus the 6 Dr. Forever! pages -

• Doctor Forever! should be Dr. Forever! (documentary series)
• The Celestial Toyroom (documentary) should be Dr. Forever!: The Celestial Toyroom (documentary)
• Lost in the Dark Dimension should be Dr. Forever!: Lost in the Dark Dimension (documentary)
• Love and War (documentary) should be Dr. Forever!: Love and War (documentary)
• The Unquiet Dead (documentary) should be Dr. Forever!: The Unquiet Dead (documentary)
• The Apocalypse Element (documentary) should be Dr. Forever!: The Apocalypse Element (documentary)

Doc77can ☎ 01:01, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Help - Monster Files naming

Sorry, me again, I want to make pages for the five missing "Monster Files" instalments from the Series 5/6 DVDs & Blu-rays, but I don't know what to call them, as they are titled multiple different ways.

The three existing pages are called -

• Monster File - The Gangers
• Monster File - The Antibodies
• Monster File - The Cybermats

On the DVD cover its The Monster Files, on the vanilla DVD menu its Monster Files, but on the box set DVD menu its Monster File.

Then there's the issue with each instalment; for instance on the Series 5 DVD box set, the contents booklet calls the first one Monster File: The Daleks, but on the DVD menu its called Monster File - The Daleks, then on the title card its The Daleks Monster Files.

Then for Series 6 the words Monster File, in any variation, don't appear on the title card at all.

Plus, they're made by Doctor Who Confidential; their logo & theme music appear at the end; so do they need the (CON episode) dab term.

Arrghhh! What do I do? Doc77can ☎ 17:14, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, sorry I've taken so long to get back to you, but Christmas and all; anyway I've created the 5 missing monster files pages, linked them together, and added them to the Confidential navbox. I chose to keep the 'The' as it helps to differentiate from the BBC website monster files.

I just need you to move the existing three pages to the following, in order to match up with the pages I've made:

• Monster File - The Gangers - The Monster Files: The Gangers (CON episode)
• Monster File - The Antibodies - The Monster Files: The Antibodies (CON episode)
• Monster File - The Cybermats - The Monster Files: The Cybermats (CON episode)

Thanks for your help. Doc77can ☎ 05:19, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for moving those pages for me. Doc77can ☎ 16:00, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

First Doctor timeline

Ah yes, I’m a regular editor of the timelines so I was fully aware that a timeline already existed. I made the new timeline as a way to avoid the politics of the other timeline. I don’t think there’s actually anything in any rules against multiple pages focusing on the same topic, after all it is a theory user space. But if I’m wrong there than I’ll concede to that.

Effectively there’s different groups with very different ideas on how the timelines should be, and I don’t see a consensus ever being reached to be honest. Which is why I went down the separate pages route.

Anything I change on the pre-existing timeline will likely be reverted, so merging the content isn’t likely to work. SarahJaneFan ☎ 18:28, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

I understand what you’re saying, but I just don’t think it’s fair that I should be asked to move to a sandbox.

The timeline I made wasn’t just for myself but for everyone so that it can actually be a community space again. We’ve tried using talk pages, they get ignored. We’ve tried going to user pages, we get ignored or refuted with no chance for discussion. As soon as you make an edit, it’s scrutinised and rewritten as if you can’t be trusted to make an edit - but more often than not it’s reverted without so much as an edit summary. It’s become impossible to have a discussion or come to a fair conclusion at this point and it’s not just me who feels that way, as I was in active discussion with other users while creating the new timeline.

The timelines as they stand have loads of errors and discrepancies because they’re pretty much copy and pasted from the reference guide and other timelines. We’ve been doing our best to research and give it a proper overhaul. We’ve even held discussions over timeline etiquette and what we can actually do to improve these timelines but it always falls on deaf ears.

It’s supposed to be a community space but there’s no community there because everything gets reverted. There’s so few people actually editing there anymore because it’s become so difficult to actually get anything done. SarahJaneFan ☎ 19:25, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Infobox

Hello, I believe you made the newer type of conflict infobox. I have a question on that. Is it possible for it to display third or fourth factions involved in a conflict? For example, could it be used to add a third faction column on the 2021 Dalek civil war, which could be used to place Team Tardis/Humanity -- Editoronthewiki ☎ 17:50, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Serial spammer?

I have been noticing a recent uptick in a particularly odd kind of vandalism. Specifically, IP users creating gibberish-filled duplicates of existing valid maintenance pages, and then self-tagging them for deletion. Something to look into? NightmareofEden ☎ 12:53, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Representative

Hi there! My name is Chris, and I will now be your Wiki Representative for this wiki. As before, I'm here to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff. If you ever have a question or issue relating to the wiki, editing, etc., please contact me moving forward and I will do my best to assist you.

If you want to add me on Discord I'm at Spongebob456#7402 which is an easy way to reach me - wiki message wall works too! I’m looking forward to working with you! :) --Spongebob456 ^talk <staff/> 14:49, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

BBC Children's Books

Hi Oncoming, I noticed some children's books have errors in their names, could you move them for me.

• Doctor Who TARDIS Model Making Kit should be TARDIS Model-Making Kit (no Doctor Who and added hyphen)
• Doctor Who Activity Annual should be Activity Annual (no Doctor Who)
• Mini-Monster Sticker Book should be Monster Mini Sticker Book
• Glow in the Dark Monster Sticker Guide should be Glow in the Dark Monsters Sticker Guide (monster is plural)
• Children in Time Sticker Poster Book should be Children of Time Sticker Poster Book (in replaced by of)
• 3D Monster Masks should be 3-D Monster Masks (added hyphen)

Thank you. Doc77can ☎ 20:02, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Invite

Hey there!

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The first edition of The Monthly is this Friday, February 26th with two opportunities to join: 9am and 4pm US Eastern. Future editions of The Monthly will be the final Friday of each month, schedule permitting.

If you have any questions, please let me know! :) --Spongebob456 ^talk <staff/> 22:31, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

The Monthly - March 26

Hey again! Last month we announced that Fandom is doing a monthly admin get together called The Monthly to keep you up to date with the latest Fandom news. The next session will be next week, Friday, March 26.

Last month, you should have received an email about it, with the option to either opt-in or opt-out of receiving invites. If you haven't already, please do dig up the first email and select one of the following options:

• opt-in will put you on the monthly mailing list, ensuring that you'll get an invite each time. Next week's invite has been sent out!
• opt-out will take you off the mailing list.

It is known that the links will appear broken when you click on them, but your chosen preference will still be registered.

If you want to let me know which option you chose, that would be great as if you decided to opt out then I will stop messaging you about it. Many thanks! :) --Spongebob456 ^talk <staff/> 14:26, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Infobox Phenomenon and Conflict

Out of curiosity, do you have any plans to integrate User:OncomingStorm12th/Sandbox 3 into Template:Infobox Conflict or elsewhere? There are still a few pages which link to it (like War in Heaven), and it would be nice to "make it official" one of these days. I hope you're healthy and well, we miss having you around! – n8 (☎) 00:23, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much! – n8 (☎) 15:16, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Sock puppetry/fanon

Hi hope you are well. A heads up that two accounts 82.25.60.41 and Sarahkitt85 are adding fanon and seem to be the same person Valeyard12.5 ☎ 20:32, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, they literally vandalised a page one minute after your warning on the unregistered account Valeyard12.5 ☎ 22:30, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Crosswiki

Heya, I'm getting throttled so can't move this back to TARDIS. No harm no foul on the accidental block. I've reported the user on Fandom Discord SOAP. This and GTA Wiki were the only ones I found them on. Smurfy: illuminate - communicate - spectate 00:32, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Master links

Hello, there.

I wanted to ask something that, no matter how I phrase it, sounds nit-picky, but I thought it wouldn't hurt to at least ask all the same; would it be possible to change the links for War Master and Spy Master to "War" Master and "Spy" Master. I think it helps illustrate that these are nicknames for these Master instead of official titles.

Also, do you plan to go even further with this idea, like "Saxon" Master or "Tremas" Master? Could this be the first stage of getting individual Master pages.

Thank you for your time, Sincerely, BananaClownMan 02:20, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

(@OS12th, I have given BCM a fairly thorough reply. But feel free to add your own thoughts!) Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 02:35, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

FandomDesktop migration

Hey there! We are due to migrate this wiki very soon to FandomDesktop and I need to help get a light theme ready. Apologies for the short notice of this, there were some unforeseen circumstances.

It would be great to work with the entire admin team to get the wiki ready for FandomDesktop. Have you been using the new skin? I'm going to start some preparation tomorrow and it would be great to work with the admin team on this. We may need to:

• Adjust the theme on light theme
• Adjust templates
• Adjust CSS/JS
• and more potentially.

If you have any suggestions for how we can collaborate, please let me know. I wondered if a forum thread on Forum:Index might work? Please let me know if you have any questions, and I look forward to hearing from you! --Spongebob456 ^talk <staff/> 18:47, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Bot requests

Easily done. I'll check if SV7's still working in a little while (later today). Can also easily account for, say, {{Hound|n=man in the cloak}} by bringing those instances to [[The Monk (The Black Hole)|man in the cloak]].

I was not aware we had split up the Master's pages. Was there community discussion about this?
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 17:27, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Edit: Ohh I see, redirects. All above board. I was watching what was going on with the Monk etc., and just got confused about the Master. You'll recall there was extensive community discussion that would have to be overruled in that case.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 17:30, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Currently updating my software for PWB. Hopefully it will work after this. Keeps saying the Python module 'requests' is missing, and I tried resolving this a few months ago.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 18:47, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I think it might just be that my version of Python is deprecated. Stand by.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 18:49, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

I'll work through the details of what needs changing once SV7 is up and running. Unfortunately, the problem after all the above is that it's not letting me sign in. Tried re-creating the family file for Tardis and changes in my user-config file, but it just keeps claiming SV7 has no read privileges, which is obviously ridiculous. Might have to create a totally new user-config file, which would be a shame.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 19:45, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Nope, still can't be authenticated. :/
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 19:49, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I've gotten SV7 working. Looking at the details, I don't agree we should do away with {{Jacobi}} or {{Gomez}} even if alternatives exist. Those are alternate redirects we want to keep for searchability, but we want to have a standard system. This is for the same reason all stories are dabbed even if there's no conflict, so people don't need to guess which Masters have dedicated redirects and which still use the templates. All incarnations should continue using the templates.

I agree on just getting rid of the Roger business and linking to the main article.

There is maybe a discussion to be had, though, both for the Monk and potentially for the Master if that ends up getting split, on whether the templates might remain useful. Specifically because many of these incarnations are story dabbed, {{Hound}} might simply be easier to remember (in terms of editor use) than The Monk (The Black Hole), as that incarnation's been in quite a few ranges.

Obviously I'm not arguing for instating {{Capaldi}} when Twelfth Doctor is perfectly serviceable, but it's worth thinking about, perhaps, before this becomes a discussion for the Master as well. The Master might well have fifteen different pages with the format The Master (Story name), so there might yet be use in {{Tipple}} or {{Titan}}.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 03:12, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Community Connect

Hey there! Can I confirm you received an email re Community Connect please? May be in spam and it's to the email associated with your Fandom account. Is this something you would be interested in attending? Thanks! --Spongebob456 ^talk <staff/> 10:27, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism by Tr8d0s0a1

User:Tr8d0s0a1 is repeatedly vandalising pages by either blanking, spamming text or moving them. I've had to constantly revert their edits to combat it. See Special:Contributions/Tr8d0s0a1. EpsilonGamma ☎ 08:23, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Are you a Steven Universe fan?

My favorite part was when they used the killing juice on White Diamond. Are you also a fan? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by ArnoldTheRedeemer (talk • contribs) .

Serial vandal

Wikias most persistent vandal, this time Doctor who is rubbish is vandalising once again Valeyard12.5 ☎ 21:43, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Returning spammer/vandalism

Is there any way to mass revert one particular user's vandalism/edits on here? I notice there's a new account every few days, and I assume it's the same person each time? It's a very similar attitude and 'style', and it's so frustrating reverting everything back once they're banned. Boredvoord ☎ 22:51, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Fandom projects

Hi! Got a couple of things:

As this wiki used to use Special:Forum, Fandom wants to make sure that old forum links and references aren't cluttering up maintenance special pages (unusedfiles, needed pages etc). Would you mind checking and letting me know asap as to whether that's an issue for this wiki? Just looking for dead links to forums in special pages, or links to images used in forums but are now dead, stuff like that. No need to attempt to cleanup yourself, I just need to know if they exist.

Secondly, did you receive an email sent last week I believe inviting you to The Downstream on September 10th? The email is titled "[The Downstream] Ask Fandom Anything, Social Media Tips, and Data Insights". I just want to confirm you received the email as we know Fandom outreach emails often land in spam.

If you could let me know about both of those things, that would be fantastic. Thanks! --Spongebob456 ^talk <staff/> 09:43, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi there, just a reminder that The Downstream is Friday, September 10 at 11am EST at https://www.twitch.tv/Fandom. You can register/RSVP and add the event to your calendar here. That page also gives a lot of detail on what the event offers. Any questions, please let me know! --Spongebob456 ^talk <staff/> 12:11, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Haiti earthquake

Hi, someone has created an article on the 2010 Haitian earthquake. Not sure what that has to do with Doctor Who lol Valeyard12.5 ☎ 09:34, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

War Seed

Hey, I think we were editing at the same time so your edits on War Seed were overridden. I didn't want you to think I erased them haha. Feel free to go back and edit it again. Have a good day. TheFartyDoctor ^Talk 17:43, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Checking in

Hi there! Sorry it has been a little while since I last checked in, I have been out of action for the last two weeks unfortunately. How are things going? One thing I did notice was that the navigation in dark theme, the Explore tab in white is hard to read. Have you guys noticed that? Figured if we do what we did before and if we continue a single thread on my talk page, it might be easier for us to keep track. Hope that's ok! :) --Spongebob456 ^talk <staff/> 09:02, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Forums

Hey! It has been a while since the old forums got replaced by this new Discussion page. I was wondering if there is still a place for the editors of this wiki to discuss the validity of stories and make policy changes? Where are these done at the moment? Timppali ☎ 18:45, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Questions

Is it alright to put image galleries on Doctor Who wikia because there are a lot of unused images on this Wikia and I was wondering if I could make image galleries using those images on this wikia? (LunarSolar ☎ 12:44, 22 October 2021 (UTC))

Checking in

Hi again! Just checking in to see how things are going. How're things on the wiki? All set for the premiere? :) --Spongebob456 ^talk <staff/> 10:51, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Potential Spam Page

https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/David_Comish DJAitch ☎ 17:30, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Input requested

Your input at Tardis talk:Temporary forums would be appreciated. A misguided attempt by User:Bongolium500 to remedy the situation with the Forums has brought into sharp relief the fact that we, the admin team, need to get together and work out a consensus on how to proceed, because the status quo is increasingly untenable. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 20:47, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Infinity Doctor

In line with your help on Talk:Fugitive Doctor and so on, I thought you might be interested in TheChampionOfTime's imminently-reasonable suggestion of renaming The Doctor (The Infinity Doctors) to Infinity Doctor, as it's a clearly recognizable name out of universe which (as the page notes) even has in-universe connections to that specific incarnation. Given how annoying it is to say "the Doctor from an alternate timeline / abnormal state of history" every time this incarnation comes up (especially when he's mentioned alongside another incarnation), I think this would be a clear improvement for the wiki's legibility. Curious what you think and if you'd be willing to do the deed! – n8 (☎) 22:33, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Phenomenal, thank you so much! I went to update Template:PDA, which is responsible for most of the links to the old, ambiguous link, but it's locked as admin-only. Would you fix it for me? The updated template should look like this: https://pastebin.com/qGunBG4y – n8 (☎) 23:42, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

I.M. Foreman

Hi there, me again. I've observed your I.M. Foreman split with immense interest, but I'm uncertain about the title Gallifreyan (Interference) since there are multiple unnamed Gallifreyans in Interference, and the name is a huge downgrade from the specificity of I.M. Foreman. Couldn't the category still technically be called Category:Incarnations of I.M. Foreman, in the same way that the Warrior is listed in "Incarnations of the Doctor" because that's what his past incarnations were called, even if he chose not to use the title? I'll have to do more thinking about the best name for the page, but as a trial balloon, I've edited Mohandas to refer to him as the "second exhibit of I.M. Foreman's Travelling Show" rather than "the second incarnation of a Gallifreyan", which just seems ... odd.

Independently, what would you think of "prior" and "next" variables for character infoboxes so incarnations can be directly connected? I might loop User:Bongolium500 in on this idea, since it seems easy to implement. – n8 (☎) 17:11, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Extreme vandalism

Merry Christmas hope all is well. There’s been an obscene amount of vandalism on the Thirteenth Doctor page which I think those responsible need a word, Valeyard12.5 ☎ 10:28, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

The Woman who Fell to Earth

Hi, the user 49.145.235.100 has vandalized the Woman Who Fell To Earth page. I can’t seem to undo it as there’s an edit conflict warning Valeyard12.5 ☎ 07:03, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Moving away from Fandom (better host)

Hi, before you click away and think I'm a spammer please just hear me out. I personally quite like Doctor Who and am disappointed that the only wiki that exists is on Fandom. I'm also a user on Miraheze which is a (free and no ads at all) and much better wiki hosting site than Fandom. All I'd like is for you to give Miraheze a chance and simply consider moving away from Fandom and transferring this wiki to Miraheze (it's really easy to do that). Please take just a few minutes to read https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Comparing_Miraheze_to_Fandom and make up your mind. Many wikis have already moved from Fandom.

Thanks for hearing me out,

Nevrik.

Blunners

get em! – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blunners at the loopers (talk • contribs) .

Do you think The White Diamond Killing Juice is canon?

Thoughts? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gronald Thump (talk • contribs) .

Vandalism Alert

Making you aware of potential vandalism: https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Idiot_admins DJAitch ☎

Vanalism Alert

Some vanalism to make you aware of - https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Baby_most_admins_suck,_oh_my_gosh! DJAitch ☎ 14:17, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

No problem. Sorry to be a pain, but there's another one for you to be aware about (and are making death threats to the admin): https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Lazy_speechless_admins_who_are_jews,_that_makes_them_nig-gas_who_should_commit_death DJAitch ☎ 15:29, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Renames

Thank you so much for the speedy renames of those comic stories. If you have a moment would you also be able to cast an eye on my post at Template talk:Torchwood 3 Staff? RadMatter ☎ 19:22, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! One final issue I had on the subject of Torchwood comics can be seen at Talk:The Adventures of Jack Harkness! (comic story). RadMatter ☎ 19:45, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Another Violator

More vandalism to make you aware of, this time coming from this user: https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/User:Onionman69420 DJAitch ☎ 20:54, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Fandom updates

Hey there! I posted some Fandom updates here, which includes details on an upcoming MediaWiki upgrade to the platform. If you have any questions/feedback/comments on it, please do message on my talk page! As normal, if you wanted to continue a thread left by another admin too that'd be great to keep things in one place. Thanks! :) --Spongebob456 ^talk <staff/> 21:51, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi there. We've got some vandalism at commit death. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 14:43, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi someone is vandalising the Eve of the Daleks page Valeyard12.5 ☎ 07:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Rules and Blocking Policy

Hey!

Recently, Fandom staff posted updates to the Fandom Wiki Rules and Blocking Policy. As a reminder, this is a global policy to aid the wellbeing of communities that all wikis have been following since 2021. These new changes go into effect on April 4th.

I'll let you read through those changes and if you have any questions, please let me know on my talk page! :) --Spongebob456 ^talk <staff/> 15:23, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Eleven Things You Probably Knew About the Corsair

Hi Mr Storm, when you get the chance, I'm wondering if you could take a gander at Talk:Eleven Things You Probably Didn't Know About the Corsair? The long and short of it is that the "invalid" template appears to have been added mistakenly and without justification, and with your blessing I'm hoping the story can be re-validified so we can use it as a source for the Corsair's incarnation names. Let me know what you think! – n8 (☎) 02:23, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Potential Violator

Potential violator to make you aware about https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/93.115.28.181 DJAitch ☎ 17:25, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Interactive Maps

Hey! Made a post about the new Interactive Maps feature - does Tardis have any maps suitable for that? --Spongebob456 ^talk <staff/> 12:15, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi there is a vandal putting in racist stuff on Mickey Smith and Hitler. User name 136.33.229. 247 Valeyard12.5 ☎ 08:24, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Awsok Tecteun

Hello, there's a pretty clear near-consensus on Talk:Awsok Tecteun, I'm wondering if you could lend your admin stamp of approval so I can move the pages and start changing links, as the current setup is becoming confusing on other pages. Hope you're well! – n8 (☎) 14:19, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

I understand

I don't want to vandalize pages, I just want a change for the picture. It's been like that for ages. I apologize if this inconvenienced anyone. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 47.27.210.134 (talk).

With unregistered users there's not better place to post this so... here's hoping it reaches you: well first off, don't worry. We've got several policies, meaning it's impossible to know of all of them. Hope my message didn't seem too off-putting. Anyway, to further see how we deal with images on this wiki, hop over to Tardis:Images and perspective and Tardis:Guide to images.

At any point, if you feel for any guidance, feel free to shoot me a message here. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 18:07, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Parallel counterpart navboxes

Hi. I noticed you replaced the general counterparts template on Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart and related pages with the old template. I saw your note: "See other summaries of mine; several counterparts+a companion/main character". May be looking in the wrong places, but I couldn't see the other summaries, so thought I'd best just ask. We created the new Counterparts template with the aim of eventually clearing and removing Category:Parallel counterpart infoboxes to improve consistency and free up space on the wiki. Just wondered if this was done mistakenly, or if there's a specific reason behind the change back to the old template? Thank you! 66 Seconds ☎ 12:41, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. That makes total sense. I'll adopt a similar approach. 66 Seconds ☎ 15:36, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Crook

How is crook different from thief?

Vandal

Hi, there’s a sock puppet vandal called, of all things, Lizzy’s In A Box, trashing pages. It’s that “on wheels” vandal Valeyard12.5 ☎ 09:57, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Repeated issues with self promotion on a page

Hey OS12, there's been a recurring issue on the page Russell McGee that's been detailed in the edit history there as well as mine and Shambala's talk page. Shambala said it was getting a bit over her head and that it should go to you or Scrooge, so I'll just give a brief summary of the issue. A user, User:RussellMcGee77 added a large biography to this page about a week ago that was basically an advertisement for the writer in question. I reverted this, as it was obviously the person editing his own page, and said so in the edit summary. He tried to reinstate the edit, and I again reverted it. Then, a day or two ago, User:Emily Solt added in roughly the same information based on his IMDB and Goodreads biographies, which were written by McGee. I removed this again and alerted Shambala, noting my concerns about self promotion, the potential that the two users were the same person (more on that in a bit) and plagiarism. Shambala then protected the page so only auto-confirmed users could edit, but this didn't help, as Emily Solt then added in the IMDB biography, once again written by McGee. I removed this, and Solt finally applied an edit that still read like an advertisement for McGee but wasn't a direct copy of either Goodreads or IMDB. I've left that edit alone, since it might be against the rules but I think an admin should survey it rather than me. However, the edit summary Solt left concerned me, as it stated that the new biography was written by Nick Krohn, and linked two his Goodreads account, as well as stating that "We’ve followed the wiki rules" [emphasis my own]. Nick Krohn's Goodreads account showed that he had worked on fan anthologies with McGee in the past (anthologies that McGee actually had created redlinks to in one of his page edits that Shambala ended up removing), so this prompted concerns about conflicts of interest, and I thought perhaps that Solt had worked with McGee on one of them as well. It actually turns out that she's his wife. Please handle this however you think is best. Najawin ☎ 20:26, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Personal information on a page

Hey, can you lock Claudia Boleyn for the foreseeable future? We don't really have need to edit it, potentially forever, and someone keeps editing in personal details about where she lives and other names she goes by. Najawin ☎ 16:57, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

If possible I'd suggest deleting the prior revisions of the page that had the information as well. I don't know if you can, but I've seen Czech do it on some pages with vandalism. Najawin ☎ 19:13, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Discussions AbuseFilter

Hey! A new feature is available on Discussions - Discussions AbuseFilter (DAF). This is designed to be a tool to help moderation on Discussions, if certain behaviours are being disruptive and making manual moderation difficult:

• DAF page (not enabled yet but I can do)
• Announcement blog
• Help page

Not compulsory for anyone to use it etc, just letting you know it's here. As a note about forums, I have asked Czech about it and I know he is aware it's still needed. If I can help with anything though, please give me a shout on here or Discord! --Spongebob456 ^talk <staff/> 20:35, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Time travel

As Dr. Who is relating to time travel and I'm LOVING of the idea of time travelling, can we discuss time travel?

Re: Cwej-pages

Hi,

Sorry I wasn't aware of that. Does being linked in a template count as being linked to another page? I am currently working on a specific template for all the Cwejen and these characters will be linked here. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎ 03:49, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Unregistered contributor

Hi there. There's an unregistered user, 5.81.96.21, who's making a lot of work for others. I don't doubt that they have good intentions, but they're constantly adding things to pages (almost exclusively the various pages we have for different colours) with the wrong tense or, most often, without putting story titles in italics.

Since they're unregistered, I understand that they can't be contacted by talk page, which I'm pretty sure you used to be able to do. I've reverted a few of their edits when they've got the tense wrong, but somebody's basically going to have to go through all the different pages they've edited to italicise the story titles.

I'm not really sure what could actually be done about it, but I thought I'd better make an admin aware. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 20:08, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Welcoming new users

Hey, I just noticed that it looks like User:FANDOM isn't welcoming new users and hasn't been since 2020. I manually did so for the last week of users who didn't have a talk page created. But I think this is causing some issues (eg User talk:Sum41Champ), since our policies aren't always super easy to understand, and I don't think people are going to just randomly search out the wiki rules. Do you know if this is an issue that can be rectified wiki side or if you/I/Czech/someone should talk to User:Spongebob456? I'm unsure if this has been discussed elsewhere since this functionality has stopped working, entirely possible, it has been ~2 years. Najawin ☎ 06:02, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Of course. I just did like a week's worth of new users when I first noticed it. No need to do it if the issue's been solved! Najawin ☎ 19:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

RE: Welcoming new users

Heya! For the Fandom bot, unfortunately functionality for that stopped when UCP was introduced and message walls switched to using the Discussions interface. There is a workaround whereby using this Dev script, you can auto create userpages. You can possibly make a template - such as {{newusers}} and place welcome message content there. The user wouldn't receive an alert, but would be visible when coming to edit their userpage. Not sure if that's something you're interested in? --Spongebob456 ^talk <staff/> 13:16, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

No worries! Sorry for the late reply, glad that script will be useful! :) --Spongebob456 ^talk <staff/> 16:35, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Unregistered contributor 2

I thought I'd make you aware thst User:81.129.248.86 is doing the same thing - editing page on colours without italicising story titles. It could be another user, but I'd say it's unusual behaviour for an unregistered contributor and likely to be the same one. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 06:00, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

If you look at Olive (colour)'s edit history, there are "two IP"s who do this, an 81.129, and a 5.81. Their edit summaries are similar when they actually provide them and their edit histories are near identical aside from just obsessive editing of color pages. EG, "I added the Olive file for the benefit of all" (81.129) vs "I added the Imperial Sontaran Fleet for the educational benefit of readers" (5.81). It's the same user. They've been doing this since around Dec 2020/Jan 2021, I'm not entirely sure when because the original versions of the pages they created were all deleted by admins. User:Doug86, iirc. Najawin ☎ 06:10, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, but this continues to be a not insignificant problem with User:5.81.96.91. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 20:56, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

BBCA

Out of curiosity, do you know if the Disney+ deal will impact us at all? I seem to recall it being mentioned that we were affiliated with BBC America in some way. (For instance, our home page has the twitter feed implanted on it, and I recall Czech saying redesigns of it had to be approved by BBCA.) I'd post this on User:CzechOut's talk, but, you know, I'm not sure how long that would take. If you're unsure we could ask Spongebob to run it up the ladder if you also remember the same BBCA situation I do. Because I could be hallucinating this, the times I recall it being mentioned are in the old forums, so I have no way of verifying that this arrangement actually exists - I can't find it elsewhere. Najawin ☎ 07:37, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

At this point I'm just trying to figure out if a deal with BBCA actually existed. I think I remember it, but Shambala doesn't. Laura remembers that there's a reason for the redesign being delayed at one point but can't remember what it was. I asked as an aside in an active discussion, because, well, no forums, and nobody responded. So I'm not even confident that I'm not just insane. Najawin ☎ 20:15, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

File deletion

Hi, I was told by a user that a file I put on the wiki was deleted by the admins. I dont know which admin. I am just curious why? Did I do something wrong in uploading it? Tellymustard ☎ 16:59, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Well, I mean why or how I can find out. Because I am not sure if you know the exact reason but you probably know how I can find it out. Tellymustard ☎ 17:04, 8 November 2022 (UTC)