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== The Doctor (The Five O'Clock Shadow) ==
Ah, no — he ''used'' to have a page, actually, but he doesn't anymore. The thing here is that we only award pages to unspecified Doctor if it's clear that they're intended to be ''new'', unnumbered Doctors — but if we don't have any physical description or other reason to think they're ''not'' an existing Doctor, then they just go in [[The Doctor#Undated events]]. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:39, 11 July 2021 (UTC)


== Archiving talk page ==
== Thinly-veiled characters ==
Hey, I see you tried to archive your talk page, but indeed it did not work properly. The first time I tried doing it, it also didn't work, and so I'll paraphrase [[Talk:OncomingStorm12th/Archive 2#Archiving|the advice SOTO gave me]]: just copy all the content from your talk page and paste it into <nowiki>[[User_talk:Epsilon the Eternal/Archive_NUMBER]]</nowiki> (also adding a {{tlx|ArchPage}} on both pages). That way, it's guaranteed to work. Hope this helps ;p [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 23:30, October 16, 2020 (UTC)
Thanks again for all your help in growing this list, I really appreciate it! – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 14:56, 26 July 2021 (UTC)


==Link==
== A Tingle of Happiness ==
Hi, just wanted to let you know that the link for the website on [[Salt Publishing]] didn't lead to their website, but instead, an error page. I took it out for now, since I don't know how to make it work. (I copy/pasted from the site link on Wikipedia, but it took me to the same place) [[User:Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived|Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived]] [[User talk:Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:59, October 17, 2020 (UTC)
: Yep, it fixed it! Thank you! [[User:Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived|Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived]] [[User talk:Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:09, October 17, 2020 (UTC)


== Inuse with no content ==
Hi Epsilon,
 
I noticed that you added that the [[Demon (The Relics of Time)|a demon]] from Magrs' ''[[The Nest Cottage Chronicles|Nest Cottage Chronicles]]'' appeared in ''[[A Tingle of Happiness (short story)|A Tingle of Happiness]]''. Where was it confirmed that these Demons were the same? [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 
== Appearances list suggestion ==


Just a heads up because you might have forgotten, [[Christmas Hotel]] has been inuse for ~5 days and has no content on it. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:28, October 28, 2020 (UTC)
I saw [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/User:Najawin/Sandbox_5?diff=3171219 your addition on Najawin's sandbox], and just wanted to let you know there was an ongoing discussion about this exact thing and many other aspects of appearances/appearance lists before the forums disappeared. In fact, now that I think about it, if we ever get that thread back it might be the right place for your proposal in general. I don't know if this link will work again, but for reference it was [[Thread:141930]] (called something like "What is an appearance?"). [[User:Chubby Potato|Chubby Potato]] [[User talk:Chubby Potato|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:46, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


== Sanbox Nine [sic] ==
== Vitas Varnas in Omega ==


[[Steven Moffat (Afterword)]] was definitely stated to be involved with the in universe series, he just wasn't stated to be involved in the ''TV'' section of it. No real difference from [[Paul Magrs (Bafflement and Devotion)]]. He was involved in writing a book about the Doctor as a fictional character. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:39, November 11, 2020 (UTC)
Hey, just wondering if you had a citation for the matter of the character explicitly both being the same individual in terms of intent. That's the current issue that is being had by me with that page. The existing citation to the story itself doesn't cover that because the story doesn't make the connection itself... hence my addition of a fact tag.


== Obscured Props ==
I have heard a few fans say that the two are meant to be the same, but there seems to be no source they can give me.


That seems like we can just bring it up in [[Thread:272817]] whenever we get back to that thread. Like, the only instance otherwise is at [[Tudor]], but the entire point of the thread in question was about these sorts of meta jokes. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:38, November 12, 2020 (UTC)
Until we have a cited statement from Cutaway Comics on the page that works to cover that point, I feel it's worth having that tag there to acknowledge that the connection of both instances is a matter that will cited from elsewhere rather than the story itself. Otherwise, in my opinion, we're making a bit of a presumptive comment regarding two identically faced characters that we cannot make without cited authorial intent - particularly given precedent in the Whoniverse for identically faced characters that aren't connected. [[User:JDPManjoume|JDPManjoume]] [[User talk:JDPManjoume|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:30, 28 August 2021 (UTC)


== Re: Thinly-veiled Doctors ==
: Thanks for bringing that talk page to my attention. I think the concern for me is that the page still reads as though we're saying that the story itself makes that connection... when perhaps it should be a combination of that Kickstarter page for Omega and something relevant to the Lytton appearance that should be leveraged on the weight of the connection.  
Well-noted, thank you! Could you tell me what story Paul Bowman comes from? I fear I've forgotten. – [[User:NateBumber|<span title="User:NateBumber">N8</span>]] ([[User_talk:NateBumber|<span title="Leave me a note">☎</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/NateBumber|<span title="Spy on my edits">👁️</span>]]) 20:49, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
:Ah, of course! How silly of me to have forgotten, especially since I'm the one who wrote that Behind the Scenes section on [[Claudia (Father Time)]]. Thank you for the recap! – [[User:NateBumber|<span title="User:NateBumber">N8</span>]] ([[User_talk:NateBumber|<span title="Leave me a note">☎</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/NateBumber|<span title="Spy on my edits">👁️</span>]]) 21:27, 24 November 2020 (UTC)


== Moving pages ==
: Bart Simpson makes for an interesting precedent, and somewhat curious one (I am going to have to try and query Mike Collins about both of those), and I would certainly hope to not be splitting the pages either as that would be rather messy - but without a cited source of some kind or a tag denoting that we've yet to put one in place, I can't help but feel that we are making a call that is a bit difficult to make... I will mull on it. [[User:JDPManjoume|JDPManjoume]] [[User talk:JDPManjoume|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:42, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 
== Re External communication ==
 
What's wrong with my talkpage? [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:03, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
: The Magrs Wiki would be great for me Epsilon! [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:33, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 
== Some issues that need to be covered ==
Hi I need to address a couple of things with you.
* The forums and policies: please '''stop''' complaining about the lack of forums and [[User:CzechOut]]'s lack of progress in same. There are a lot of issues here: we have no idea what he's doing in real life that might be keeping him from this project; we have no idea what he's working on and don't want to cause technical issues; and we don't allow just anyone to do whatever they want here (yes a lot of you are experienced prolific editors but not everyone who edits here is, and everyone has to be subject to the same rules). To make a long story short, no more comments about CzechOut's lack of progress.
* Personal attacks: I know you know the rules so I'm not going to quote or cite them here. There is nothing wrong with you disagreeing with another user, and nothing wrong with pointing that out. However, the namecalling violates policy. Right now I am specifically referring to the discussion post where you called the OP "silly" twice. This user in particular has been here only a little over a month. This is '''obviously not''' how we want new users to be greeted. Instead of calling names you could have introduced him to the idea of non-TV doctors. This can be hard for some people to do, but try to put yourself into the position of a new user entering a community and being greeted with name calling.
 
I actually contemplated blocking you, not so much for the complaints against policy, but more for the namecalling on the discussion boards. Given the discussion over at [[Tardis talk:Temporary forums]], and your obvious disagreement with my deletion of the page, I figured it wouldn't look good for me to block you at this time (it might look like I was trying to silence your arguments). Don't mistake that as any kind of approval of your behavior, and another offense will result in a block.


Hey. Just so you know, only admins are supposed to move pages, so you should've put a Speedy Rename on the Jones webcast page rather than moving it yourself. -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 12:21, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Sorry this is so long and thanks for reading it [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:53, 4 December 2021 (UTC)


== Iris Wildthyme Timeline ==
== Baker's End ==


Hi Epsilon,
Hi Epsilon,


I think that it is your burden to start a discussion if you think that "''there's likely an reason''" that something is the way it is.
Would you be able to elaborate on the research that you did regarding Baker's End and why you don't think that an inclusion debate would be clear cut? [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:32, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
: Yes, please! [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:37, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 
== Block ==
Hi please note that you are blocked for a week for ignoring admin instructions. Specifically, I noted at [[Talk:Ian Chesterton]] that only admins can end discussions. You ignored that instruction by removing a "rename" tag at [[Sprout Boy meets a Galaxy of Stars (TV story)]]. Like I mentioned at the Ian Chesterton talk page, if you think there needs to be some movement in a long-abandoned discussion, ask an admin. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:33, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 
:I am answering here your post at Community. When I blocked you I left the ability for you to edit this talk page so it's just easier to keep the conversation here.
 
:To address your points in order:
:* Your comment about the Ian Chesterton issue that it wasn't a discussion, rather than a suggestion, is just semantics. Talk pages are specifically defined as for '''discussing''' the editing of an article. Any issue raised on the talk page is a discussion, and [[T:BOUND]] means that any changes must wait for the discussion to be closed. And there is no magic number of users to make something a discussion.
:* "There is no policy that states that admins are the only ones with that power" is not true. The policy has been stated over and over on article talk pages, user talk pages, forum discussions, and edit summaries. Not every policy has to be spelled out on a <nowiki>[[Tardis:something]]</nowiki> page.
:* Your point that the discussion you closed was beneficial is irrelevant, because of [[T:BOUND]].
:* You were blocked for removing a rename template, which initiates a '''discussion'''. That's why non-admins aren't permitted to remove them.
:* Please refrain from accusing me (or any other admin) of violating FANDOM blocking policy. As stated in the second point above, our policies are not confined to policy pages; the prohibition of a non-admin closing a discussion is, as stated above, in many places on the wiki.
:* "I expect you to re-assess...and...remove [the block]". Sorry but that is not the way to approach it. You have assumed you are in the right and I am in the wrong, and as you can see from my comments, I do not agree with that assessment. Maybe a little contrition would have helped. Sometimes it's just better to say, "I'm sorry, I won't do it again" or even "I appreciate that the block was only one week" instead of '''expecting''' the block to be removed.
:* No one, admin or otherwise, is allowed to tell other users what to edit. I contribute what I can when I can, and since there are few people with admin powers, my focus tends to be on admininstrative items. There is also the issue that whenever possible, a closing admin should not have participated in a discussion. Be assured that the admins do watch the discussions and are aware of what needs to be done.
:* Finally, feel free to contact another admin, as is your right. Hopefully you will get a quick response despite the holiday.


The change I made was to the order of a certain collection of stories - this same incorrect order had also appeared on the anthology page and therefore it is most likely, in my opinion, that the incorrect material was simply transferred from the anthology page rather than the order having any specific meaning of its own.
:Thanks for your attention [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:13, 1 January 2022 (UTC)


From what I have been able to work out the incorrect order matches the copyright list at the start of ''Lady Stardust''. I think that someone incorrectly identified this as an accurate order of the stories in the anthology. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:17, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
I am copy/pasting the rules from the "How to respond to being blocked" section of [[Help:I'm blocked]]. I have bolded the parts that you violated in your posts to me over at Community Central.


== Signature stuff ==
:Because Fandom Staff probably won't help you, somehow you need to get in touch with local admin. The only way to do this, if they're preventing you from all communication on their wiki, is to go to another Fandom wiki — neutral ground as it were — and leave a message on their wall/talk page there. If they don't respond to you after one (again, one) polite and reasonable attempt at apology, you can make one last attempt.
Hey, I was admiring your signature on [[Talk:Iris Wildthyme]] and, since I'm nosy, wanted to ask: did you copy it from a template somewhere? I noticed it links to your contributions via [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|doctorwho:Special:COntributions/]] rather than calling [[Special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|Special:Contributions/]] directly, which I find interesting. I've been thinking about creating a signature template for myself in my userpage space, as mentioned at [[T:SIG LOOK]], since I don't have much experience with template design and it seems like a fun exercise! – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 07:06, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


== Edit on LauraBatham's talk page ==
:You can then seek out a different local admin than the one who blocked you and plead your case. (Again, you'll have to contact them on a different wiki, and again you'll need to keep your cool when you do it.) '''Admit that you were wrong''' and ask the "neutral" admin to perform an internal review of the case. '''If you make your case politely and you admit you were wrong, you might get the blocking re-considered'''. The blocking might not actually get overturned, but at least you'll have gotten some sort of review by the only people who can overturn it.
Hey! No offence, but I reverted your edit to [[User talk:LauraBatham]]'s talk page because it could potentially be construed to be doxxing, of the same good-faith-sleuthing-going-a-bit-too-far variety you might recall from the ''[[10,000 Dawns (series)|10,000 Dawns]]'' drama. I think you may well have been correct on the facts, but unless the person under discussion more explicitly signals their identity, you ''should not'' make such conclusions and put them on the Wiki. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:38, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
:Epsilon, I fear you do not understand. This is not a ''factual'' question. Whether you are ''right'' in your deduction is immaterial. Even if it is true (''especially'' if it is true), you '''must not''' equate the user and the public person on this Wiki unless the public person gives their consent to the equation being made. Accordingly I have also reverted your edit on ''my'' talk page. '''Please stop using these two names next to each other on the Wiki''', at least until the situation changes off-Wiki. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:25, 23 December 2020 (UTC)


== Merry Christmas! ==
:Having said all this, '''you need to be very careful about contacting people who have blocked you.''' Don't carry on a conversation with a person on wiki a about events on wiki b. The admin of wiki b might not like it, especially if the conversation turns ugly. You could easily end up being banned from wiki b too. '''Make it one note. Make it apologetic.''' Don't swear. '''Don't accuse.''' '''Just say, "I made a mistake. I apologise profusely. Is there any way you could review the block and lower it?"''' That's it. And remember: '''one attempt at communicating with a blocking admin is reasonable. Two or more attempts can be considered harrassment.'''
[[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:17, 2 January 2022 (UTC)


Hello, there. I just wanted to stop by and wish you the merriest of Christmases, and a Happy New Year. Hopefully you'll make Admin next year. I know I'd vote for you! [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 14:05, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
== Corsair ==
Hey Toby, just thought you might be interested in [[Talk:Eleven Things You Probably Didn't Know About the Corsair]], since it's relevant to your conversation at [[Talk:The Corsair]]. [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 15:00, 23 February 2022 (UTC)


== Christmassy Tales ==
== U.N.I.T. (fictional website) ==


Hey Epsilon,
Hi Epsilon the Eternal, well done on all you've done with the pages for the UNIT website.


Have you read all of the stories in ''[[Christmassy Tales (anthology)|Christmassy Tales]]''? I've heard mention that the Hoover from ''The Christmas Hoover'' is intended to be [[Servo-furnishing]] and I wondered if you would be able to clarify whether this was the case. Also, I wonder if the appearance of "Fenella Frimbly" gives more credibility to ''[[Baker's End (audio series)|Baker's End]]'' as a whole being validated. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:39, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
In case you wish to do any more pages for the fictional websites, here's a list of all the ones I'm aware of from 2005-07:
* GeoComTex launched: c.06-May-05 [https://web.archive.org/web/20050506124732/http://www.geocomtex.net/ Wayback link]
* Bad Wolf launched: c.05-Jun-05 [https://web.archive.org/web/20050605000655/http://www.badwolf.org.uk/ Wayback link]
* Guinevere One launched: c.18-Dec-05 [https://web.archive.org/web/20051218025755/http://www.guinevere.org.uk/ Wayback link]
* Leamington Spa Lifeboat Museum launched: c.06-Apr-06 [https://web.archive.org/web/20060406203837/http://www.leamingtonspalifeboatmuseum.co.uk/ Wayback link]
* Millingdale Ice Cream launched: c.08-Apr-06 [https://web.archive.org/web/20060408042915/http://www.millingdaleicecream.co.uk/ Wayback link]
* Torchwood House launched: c.23-Apr-06 [https://web.archive.org/web/20060423164924/http://www.visittorchwood.co.uk/ Wayback link]
* Deffry Vale High School launched: c.15-May-06 [https://web.archive.org/web/20060515001046/http://www.deffryvaleschool.org.uk/ Wayback link]
* Cybus Industries launched: c.23-May-06 [https://web.archive.org/web/20060523055043/http://www.cybusindustries.net/index.html Wayback link]
* Cybus Fitness launched: c.26-May-06 [https://web.archive.org/web/20060526001105/http://www.cybusfitness.co.uk/ Wayback link]
* Torchwood launched: c.15-Jun-06 [https://web.archive.org/web/20060615010259/http://www.torchwood.org.uk/ Wayback link]
* Torchwood Institute launched: c.03-Jul-06 [https://web.archive.org/web/20060703131341/http://torchwoodinstitute.org/ Wayback link]
* VoteSaxon launched: c.18-Jun-07 [https://web.archive.org/web/20070618093246/http://www.votesaxon.co.uk/index.shtml Wayback link]
* HaroldSaxon launched: c.25-Jun-07 [https://web.archive.org/web/20070625191556/http://www.haroldsaxon.co.uk/index.shtml Wayback link]


These are some other websites that I'm less clear on:
* http://internationalelectromatics.co.uk
* http://cybusproperty.co.uk
* http://cybusfinance.co.uk
* http://britishrocketgroup.co.uk
* http://ambrosehall.org.uk
* http://drinkvitex.co.uk
* http://powellestate.co.uk
* http://resistthefutility.org.uk


== Navboxes ==
Plus some Torchwood ones:
* http://blakeenquiries.co.uk
* http://centurycardiff.co.uk
* http://conradfischer.co.uk
* http://darktalk.co.uk
* http://newedenbiotech.co.uk
* http://singlessos.co.uk
* http://standardmail.co.uk


Hey! [[User:66 Seconds]] informs me [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck#Navboxes on fiction pages|on my talk page]] that you have allegedly been undoing other people's works in the process of adding more conjectural characters to the existing navboxes. I have yet to take a closer look at the issue itself, but I'd appreciate you (''and'' others) holding off from editing these things until you've talked things out elsewhere than in edit summaries, lest this devolve into edit war. Please let's have you two summarise the facts of the case on some suitable talk page (that of the ''Scooby Doo'' navbox, say), and I'll try to act as a moderator to bring this to a consensual resolution.
I hope you find this information useful.
[[User:Doc77can|Doc77can]] [[User talk:Doc77can|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:41, 25 April 2022 (UTC)


Also, while I have in the past been guilty of a similar thing, 66 Seconds is right in the message I linked you to chastise you for that all-caps editing summary; there's no need to, as it were, "raise one's voice". [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:11, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
:Me again, I remembered another one.
:* Ghostwatch launched: c.28-Jun-06 [https://web.archive.org/web/20070227204051/http://www.bbc.co.uk:80/entertainment/ghostwatch Wayback link] There was a link on the "Army of Ghosts" episode page on the Doctor Who website.


::Ah, I've just seen your post on 66's talk page. Well, I now better understand the facts of the case, but I must admit 66 is right to raise the constitutional issue, even though I am agnostic on which type of navbox would be better ''in theory''. There is not enough explicit, clear-cut precedent here for you to be able to make choices, as an individual editor, about "overwriting other users' contributions slightly for the best of the Wiki", or implementing a change of style across dozens of pages. Such decisions require ''consensus''. As I said, please talk this out on a talk page. (Ideally we'd want a forum thread, but, of course…) [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:21, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
:Also the series 1 sites were linked from the Doctor Who website homepage.
:* c.Thu 24-Mar-05, ''whoisdoctorwho.co.uk'' from a link at the bottom of the "Rose" homepage entitled '''Lies''', this link seems to have been renamed '''Who is Doctor Who?''' by the following day.
:* c.Wed 20-Apr-05, ''unit.org.uk'' from a link at the bottom of the "World War Three" homepage entitled '''UNIT: Alien Hotline'''.
:* c.Wed 04-May-05, ''geocomtex.net'' from a link hidden in the flash version of the "The Long Game" homepage entitled '''WELCOME TO GEOCOMTEX'''.
:* c.Sat 04-Jun-05, ''badwolf.org.uk'' from a link at the bottom of the "Boom Town" homepage entitled '''Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf?''', this link seems to have been renamed '''Bad Wolf''' by Mon 13-Jun-05.
:* c.Sat 17-Dec-05, ''guinevere.org.uk'' from a link on the flash version of "The Christmas Invasion" homepage entitled '''DISCOVER Mars'''.


== Navboxes on fiction pages ==
:Each of the flash versions of the homepages for "Rose"-"World War Three" & "The Long Game" contained a hidden link to ''whoisdoctorwho.co.uk''. If you hovered the cursor over a specific area text would appear, clicking on it linked to the site. The flash version of the "Boom Town" homepage contained a hidden link to ''badwolf.org.uk'' as well, if you hovered the cursor over the TARDIS, the Bad Wolf graffiti would appear, clicking on it linked to the site.


Hi Epsilon. As I requested earlier in the notes from my edit on the Scooby Doo template, please could you raise a discussion prior to changing all navboxes of this type. They have been set up by multiple users, including myself, [[User:LegoK9]] and [[User:MrThermomanPreacher]] over a series of months. I also don't appreciate being spoken down to. There is no need to use block capitals in discussions. The conjectural notices at the bottom of each the navboxes read "Some categorisation may be based upon conjecture" - I know because I edited these notices into the template. Adding real world information, such as the full name "Scooby Scoobert Doo" is not required for categorisation of disambiguation purposes, as we already have the name Scooby Doo from an in-universe source. This is therefore a case of real world information being added into the navbox. Please desist from altering the navboxes until a proper discussion has been raised and a conclsuion reached, or until a decision has been made by a moderator. [[User:66 Seconds|66 Seconds]] [[User talk:66 Seconds|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:18, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
:[https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2007/11/a_brief_history_of_time_travel_1.html BBC Blog about Doctor Who's online stuff]


::Hi. Just seen your message on my talk page and accept your apology. I understand the pros and cons of each type of navbox, and have indeed made both types myself, but personally find the short navboxes useful for information related to authors and artists, where users can easily see the works of such people at the top of the page and quickly navigate between them. I didn't originally come up with the format, looking at the early templates I believe that was [[User:LegoK9]]. Considering these are the work of multiple users, I would just appreciate that this be talked out first rather than be changed by one user. Also please understand that, by our own understanding, we are all doing what is best for the Wiki. Again, thanks for your apology and hopefully this can be resolved in due course in the best interests of the Wiki and its users. Thanks for your prompt response and understanding. [[User:66 Seconds|66 Seconds]] [[User talk:66 Seconds|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:36, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
:[[User:Doc77can|Doc77can]] [[User talk:Doc77can|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:18, 30 April 2022 (UTC)


== Umpty Ums ==
:: Just leaving this link here so I don't forget about it, but I found another in-universe website. [https://web.archive.org/web/20060701171710/http://www.henriksonline.co.uk/ henriksonline.co.uk] <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><code>Epsilon</code></span>]][[doctorwho:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 11:46, 30 April 2022 (UTC)


"Thirteenth Doctor (The Terror of the Umpty Ums)" seems like it would be fine with a conjecture tag, yeah. I guess my concern wasn't NO RW, I just wasn't sure how to phrase it short enough to be in an edit summary. The story explicitly says that it's the Doctor speaking, not the actress playing her (though, of course, it's really the child's mental illness, which is a completely different level to the whole thing). And while it does acknowledge the metafictional conceit of the issue, I'm just not convinced that there's any acknowledgement of the ''actress'' at all, as opposed to the ''character'' (even if the story understands the latter to be fictional). Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think we're justified in making that leap, those are two different things in my mind. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:06, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
:::Me again, re your Sanbox Nine.
:Right, one of my suggestions on the page is that we can rename it and remove all Umpty Um content (No issue with the Zygon Isolation stuff, that clearly does seem to be an actress based on what we know of [[Doctor Who (N-Space)]] - though, I guess we could quibble over the show being CGI or actually filming the Doctor's adventures or something, but I think that's a far larger discussion to have over how we treat the show, and not one that this issue in particular runs afoul of, and, also, to be frank, not really needed unless someone really overreaches). The story doesn't technically establish that the show in question isn't animated, or that you don't have a man playing a female character (rare, but it happens, animation tends to go for the opposite), or that it's not animated + old school silent picture and he's not imagining what the voice sounds like. There's literally no mention of an actress, just that the ''character'' is both fictional and female. Now, she uses the term "fam", and we can pretty clearly determine that it's meant to be Whittaker as 13 as metafiction if we just think about it for all of two seconds, but the text itself doesn't get us there. We're inferring the existence of a person who probably exists but isn't actually stated to exist. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:18, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
:::At the end of each of the first six Series 2 browser games, they would redirect to a webpage which would feature a second pop-up video from Mickey.


== First names from novelisations ==
{|class=wikitable
!Game
!Webpage link
!Text
!Pop-up video URL
|-
|''[[Security Bot (video game)|Security Bot]]''
|[https://web.archive.org/web/20060406203843/http://www.leamingtonspalifeboatmuseum.co.uk:80/end.html ]
|connection ended back to Homepage
|[https://web.archive.org/web/20090225164604/http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/cult/whoisdoctorwho/ram/mickey1b?size=16x9&bgc=CC0000&nbram=1&bbram=1&nbwm=1&bbwm=1&lang=en-wl mickey1b]
|-
|''[[Satellites (video game)|Satellites]]''
|[https://web.archive.org/web/20121104062158/http://www.visittorchwood.co.uk/end.htm ]
|Satellite Information Sent - Return to homepage
|[https://web.archive.org/web/20060512215114/http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/cult/whoisdoctorwho/ram/mickey2b?size=16x9&bgc=CC0000&nbram=1&bbram=1&nbwm=1&bbwm=1 mickey2b]
|-
|''[[Defeat Deffry (video game)|Defeat Deffry]]''
|[https://web.archive.org/web/20060515001250/http://www.deffryvaleschool.org.uk:80/ecole01.shtml ]<br>[https://web.archive.org/web/20060515001305/http://www.deffryvaleschool.org.uk:80/ecole02.shtml ]
|SESSION TERMINATED. RETURN TO DEFFRY VALE HIGH SCHOOL HOMEPAGE.
|[http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/cult/whoisdoctorwho/ram/mickey3b?size=16x9&bgc=CC0000&nbram=1&bbram=1&nbwm=1&bbwm=1 mickey3b]<br>[https://web.archive.org/web/20060622061159/http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/cult/whoisdoctorwho/ram/mickey3c?size=16x9&bgc=CC0000&nbram=1&bbram=1&nbwm=1&bbwm=1 mickey3c]
|-
|''[[Clockwork Quest (video game)|Clockwork Quest]]''
|[https://web.archive.org/web/20060704220500/http://www.whoisdoctorwho.co.uk:80/s2-04_end.htm ]
|Mission accomplished - Return to homepage
|[https://web.archive.org/web/20080124131602/http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/cult/whoisdoctorwho/ram/mickey4b?size=16x9&bgc=CC0000&nbram=1&bbram=1&nbwm=1&bbwm=1 mickey4b]
|-
|''[[Cybus Spy (video game)|Cybus Spy]]''
|[https://web.archive.org/web/20060704220512/http://www.whoisdoctorwho.co.uk:80/s2-05_end.htm ]
|
|[https://web.archive.org/web/20060704220512/http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/cult/whoisdoctorwho/ram/ricky5b?size=16x9&bgc=CC0000&nbram=1&bbram=1&nbwm=1&bbwm=1&lang=en-wl ricky5b]
|-
|''[[Save Paris (video game)|Save Paris]]''
|[https://web.archive.org/web/20060523055345/http://www.cybusindustries.net:80/end.htm ]
|CONNECTION TERMINATED Disclaimer © Cybus Industries
|[https://web.archive.org/web/20080515153956/http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/cult/whoisdoctorwho/ram/mickey6b?size=16x9&bgc=CC0000&nbram=1&bbram=1&nbwm=1&bbwm=1&lang=en-wl mickey6b]
|}


Whilst I don't agree with it, [[Thread:231243]] found that first names from novelisations should not be used for page names, hence why I reverted your edit at ''The Novel of the Film''. (For proof, check the history of the page [[Bates (Attack of the Cybermen)]]) -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 17:27, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
::::Hi Epsilon, I uploaded images of all the 2005-06 tie-in websites, hope these are of use to you.
:Linking to a page proper is preferable to arbitrary redirects. -- [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Saxon]] ([[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|✉️]]) 17:39, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
::::<gallery position="center" captionalign="center" hideaddbutton="true" widths="100px">
:: Pipeswitching like this - <nowiki>[[Curtis (Doctor Who)|Shelly Curtis]]</nowiki> - is fine and I've seen it commonly. But you've done <nowiki>[[Shelly Curtis|Curtis]]</nowiki>, which is the opposite. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:49, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Who is Doctor Who?.jpg
Who is Doctor Who? website (Post-TX).jpg
Defending the Earth!.jpg
Defending the Earth! website (Parallel Earth).jpg
UNIT website.jpg
GeoComTex website.jpg
Bad Wolf website.jpg
Guinevere One website.jpg
Leamington Spa Lifeboat Museum website.jpg
Millingdale Ice Cream website.jpg
Torchwood House website.jpg
Deffry Vale High School website.jpg
Cybus Industries website.jpg
Cybus Fitness website.jpg
International Electromatics website.jpg
Henrik & Son website.jpg
Ghostwatch website.jpg
Torchwood website (Pre-TX).jpg
Torchwood Institute website.jpg
</gallery>
[[User:Doc77can|Doc77can]] [[User talk:Doc77can|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:22, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 
:::::Hi, here are some of the hidden links & images from the tie-in websites.
:::::* Cheapserve [https://web.archive.org/web/20060627045601/http://www.cheapserve.co.uk/members/236801/ hidden link to files]
:::::* Cybus - on [https://web.archive.org/web/20060523055055/http://www.cybusindustries.net:80/intranet.htm this page], you click on '''© Cybus Industries''' which is a [https://web.archive.org/web/20060523214055/http://www.cybusindustries.net/intranet/ hidden link to files]
:::::* Millingdale Ice Cream - on [https://web.archive.org/web/20060715204326/http://www.millingdaleicecream.co.uk:80/flavour.shtml this page], you click on '''Ghost Glace'''  which is a [https://web.archive.org/web/20060715204305/http://www.millingdaleicecream.co.uk/restricted/ hidden link to files]
:::::<gallery position="center" captionalign="center" hideaddbutton="true" widths="100px">
Cybus Industries Intranet Secure Log-In.jpg
Cybus Industries Intranet Button.jpg
Satellite Game end screen.jpg
Clockwork Robot Game end screen.jpg
Save Cyber Paris! end screen.jpg
Cybus Industries Logo.jpg
Cybus Industries Finance poster.jpg
Cybus Industries For Sale poster.jpg
Cybus Industries Hazard Sign 1 poster.jpg
Cybus Industries Hazard Sign 2 poster.jpg
Cybus Industries Power poster.jpg
Cybus Industries Property poster.jpg
Cybus Industries To Let poster.jpg
Deffry Vale High School Welcome poster.jpg
Deffry Vale High School Chips poster.jpg
John Lumic Man of Steel book cover.jpg
Jackie Tyler The Strong Survive book cover.jpg
Arthur Leyden The Light of the Moon book cover.jpg
</gallery>
 
[[User:Doc77can|Doc77can]] [[User talk:Doc77can|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:41, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 
== Re: Edit war ==
 
That might be the case, but wouldn't explain why they revert my edits when I remove the spaces, leaving the rest of their edit intact. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:14, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 
== Presenting yourself as an admin ==
 
You are not an admin on this site, I do not appreciate you leaving bold text instructions on my talkpage telling me what to do/what not to do. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:24, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 
:: Right — I assume you saw the discussion on the other talk pages, but, for the sake of transparency and protocol, I'll record it here explicitly:
 
:: While [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan]], not being an admin ''either'', was sort of making the same mistake, and their tone was a bit curt in general, this doesn't change the fact that the spirit of the above post ''is'' correct. Especially when dealing with a new user,''' you should be careful not to claim, or give the impression of claiming, admin authority that you do not have'''. As [[User:Shambala108]] noted, this isn't the first time we've had cause to give you a warning about this. Please make a real effort to be more careful about this, especially in the more heated sorts of discussions like the present one. An explicit "I'm not an admin, but…" sort of disclaimer costs little and goes a long way. <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 00:00, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 
== Sergeant vs Sargeant ==
 
Hi there. I notice you've been referring to A Frederick as a sargeant rather than by the correct spelling, Sergeant. I wonder if this is a deliberate choice or not, as I note that, at the very least, ''Operation Mannequin'' uses the correct spelling. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:40, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 
== Cleavis ==
 
Hey, I noticed that you seem to be a Paul Magrs fan. I wondered if you would be interested in reading my comment on [[Talk:Cleavis]]. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:24, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 
== Discord ==
 
hey eps we think your discord got hacked its sending out wierd links to probably fake minecraft servers [[User:Editoronthewiki|Editoronthewiki]] [[User talk:Editoronthewiki|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:13, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 
== Re: Moving Pages ==
Ah! You're completely right. I totally forgot about moving links in that moment. Wont happen again. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:10, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 
== T:SPOIL ==
Your request on my talk page to lock a certain page from creation for the time being was, in and of itself, correct, but — er — not to reignite the flames of the recent debate, but surely you see that saying the names outright is even ''more'' obviously a spoiler-hazard than the previous business? There is basically only one context in which we'd want to creation-lock an as-yet-uncreated page about an actor. [[T:SPOIL]] matters, to a lot of readers and editors. I realise this was a tricky thing to convey ''without'' repeating the spoilers, but you could, for example, have advised me to check whether the pages of "all announced actors" had yet been locked, without naming any names.
 
(I've redacted your message rather than deleted it, since DrWHOCorrieFan said they'd rather I'd done ''that'' with theirs.) <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 22:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 
:: They most definitively are ''not''. User talk pages are the single most difficult-to-avoid part of the Wiki for the user in question. It so happens I already know of the casting announcement under discussion, but supposing I were spoiler-averse, where do you suppose I would be, now? It is due diligence 101 (doubly so for an admin) to check my talk page regularly! <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 23:29, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 
== Re: Editing other people's talk pages ==
''Admins'' have the right to update links on other people's talk pages; I am not sure that other users have it by rights, in terms of precedent. Certainly [[T:UVAN]] itself doesn't give that right to them. It would probably be best to ask an admin to perform such mass link changes, or else to ask permission from the user whose page you want to edit. <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 16:32, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 
== Spoilers ==
Hi please note that the following page is in violation of the spoiler policy: [[User:Epsilon the Eternal/Ncuti Gatwa]]. [[Tardis:Where spoilers are allowed]] is very clear about where spoilers can be placed. You can either delete the information (and then re-add it when it is no longer a spoiler) or an admin can delete the page and later restore it if necessary. Thanks [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:48, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 
:Well it has been five days since I posted the above. If after a week the spoilers from this page haven't been removed, the page will be deleted. Thanks [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:08, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 
::Re [[List of future releases]], I have a very hazy memory of a discussion (probably in the forums? and maybe by me?) where this was brought up, but there's nothing on its talk page or that of [[List of future Big Finish releases]]. Someone did ask about the existence of these pages on [[Talk:List of future Big Finish releases]], and I answered that maybe it's considered a series page, but otherwise I don't know; I will check up on it and get back to you. If someone else remembers the original discussion, then I guess we could add it to [[Tardis:Where spoilers are allowed]]. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:33, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 
== In-universe versions of these stories… ==
 
How's it hanging, Epsilon? Since you were the creator (iirc) of the "Doctor Who franchise in the DWU" navbox, I was wondering if you could direct me to where the in-universe versions of Christmas Invasion, New Earth, Smith and Jones, Voyage of the Damned, and The Pilot appeared? Cheers [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 
== Re:Sandbox 3 ==
 
That's a rather, well, unique case, since the work in question ''isn't a story'', and is sorta kinda already a thing? See my discussion with OS12 at [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th/Archive 4#Question about Spoiler Policy]] and [[User talk:Najawin/Archive 2#Re:Spoiler policy]]. (Not exactly analogous, but it discusses how merchandise rules are not the same as story rules.) The work in question has also already had multiple "releases", and my understanding is that there's a version of it that some members of the public are playing. It's a complicated issue.
Arguably the better argument is that [[User:Najawin/Sandbox 2]] had spoilers when I made it. Which you could argue it did? Certainly no more so than a press release. Note that I'm actually in favor of a relaxation of the spoiler rules to a certain level, eg, to the level where we can actually create a page for a certain actor. But the proposal you've currently floated allows more than just "press release" style pages in sandboxes, it allows for rumors to be there as well, a la [[Series 14 (Doctor Who)]], which I just can't support. And in any event this is a separate proposal to the one Nate's floating and they should be made separately. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:08, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 
== Antonio Amaral ==
 
btw, did the issue with his likeness in Lytton ever get resolved? I was never interested in Lytton, so idk if he's shown up in it yet or not. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:39, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 
== Re: Re: Guestbook ==
 
Ok. It's an interesting concept. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:12, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 
== BBC DVD covers ==
 
Hi, I've been gathering every BBC DVD cover image on the wiki into one of my sandboxes, in order to see where there are any missing covers or duplicates.
 
Pop over and have a look, and feel free to upload any of the missing covers.
 
[[User:Doc77can/sandbox12]]
 
P.S. I'm messaging several users so check the upload log first.
 
[[User:Doc77can|Doc77can]] [[User talk:Doc77can|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:30, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 
== Petronella Osgood's... relative ==
 
Hi, Epsilon. I hadn't actually thought about that, but it's a good point. The only reference more concrete than vague "family connections" that I can think of at the moment is one where she gets cut off - in ''Call to Arms'', Benton says that she reminds him of someone and she says "oh, you mean my--".
 
I'm going through a load of Kate and Osgood stories at the moment, so I'll keep my eyes peeled and my ears... also peeled for more concrete references to an actual relative. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:36, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 
== Hellscape 5 and 6 ==
 
So policy requires someone to have listened to these particular audios to start a disinclusion debate over them. Do you know someone on here who's listening to Hellscape? [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:33, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 
== Seasons Greetings ==
 
Merry Christmas, Epsilon the Eternal, and have a Happy New Year.
Sincerely,
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:08, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 
== Re: International Electromatics ==
 
Hmm. Truth be told that the information in that revision, though added relatively recently, was derived from elsewhere on the Wiki which I believed to be true. I've been aware of that apparent "fact" for some years and it seemed to gel with my memory of the tie-in websites but now I can't seem to find it from what's avaliable on Wayback. [[User:MrThermomanPreacher|MrThermomanPreacher]] [[User talk:MrThermomanPreacher|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:33, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 
== Non-narrative fiction ==
 
Be my guest! The current plan is to simply suggest allowing non-narrative fiction but to note that many might also want to discuss nonlinear stories. While that won't be part of the main proposal, the forum dive suggested that the historical context of nonlinear stories was important to the overall discussion, and it's certainly a way we could go. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:44, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
:Sure. Not the plan, but I think the context is important. (My current thought is to note at the end that if you want to discuss nonlinear stories to use a separate subheading and keep that discussion separate from the rest of the thread.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:24, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you for the notes, I've edited to reflect. As regarding your post, there are a few blanks in my timeline, and Scrooge's comment only fills in one of them, and that one incompletely. Namely, [[User:Chubby Potato]]'s thread regarding [[TARDIS Type 40 Instruction Manual]], we lost all of the posts on that thread and this was one of them. Scrooge's post doesn't actually reference anything from the deleted forums, it's entirely discussing things that are still available for us to see and are detailed in my history. (Though we disagree on the significance on [[Forum:Canonicity of Dalek Annuals]]. As far as I can tell the thread had no significant impact on the reasoning in other threads, and what ''did'' impact later rulings came before that thread. While the visual is cute, I wouldn't insist on the idea that the Dalek comic being the reason non-narrative fiction is invalid.)
::There are at least three significant gaps still unaccounted for that might simply never be filled because they don't have answers and it just sort of happened. The first being [[User:Freethinker1of1]]'s reference to a discussion at [[Tardis talk:Canon policy]] that doesn't seem to exist, the second being [[User:Tangerineduel]] referencing the idea that the FASA guides were made invalid because there was a suspicion that non narrative fiction would have authors making things up in order to fill a page count, and the third being the actual synthesis of narrative primacy as opposed to it just being vaguely implied by [[T:CANON]]. Neither I nor Scrooge, from what I can tell, can find where these gaps might be filled. Which is, quite frankly, maddening.
::I can't comment on the other examples, but [[The Cosmology of the Spiral Politic (short story)|The Cosmology of the Spiral Politic]] is very clearly Type A. It refers to The City of the Saved as an existing place and the events of [[Warlords of Utopia (novel)|Warlords of Utopia]] as something that actually happened.
::I absolutely despise the support/oppose/neutral/comments format. I supported the thread being brought up for discussion in the temporary forums specifically to argue against it. I would ''suggest'', if you want to do something like that, that you reformat them to be in the ''exact opposite order'', because in a forum thread comments should be the most important part of the issue and should be something everyone reads before making up their mind. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:26, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 
== T:NO RW ==
 
You remember that there was an ongoing thread about the scope of [[T:NO RW]] when the forums closed, right? Part of it was about common sense inferences like these. (Specifically in how we write pages using verbs in the example I gave, but the policy implications would have been larger.) Current policy, as written, is pretty clearly against these statements. (Arguably they're [[T:BOUND]] to be at the start of pages through inaction, but not ''that'' many pages have them. I've found that they're largely on pages that [[User:Ebyabe]] created, or are artifacts from page rewrites that nobody bothered to remove.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:41, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
: [[User:Sum41Champ]] literally got banned not long ago for edit warring with these changes at [[Widow]] so I'm surprised to see him back and immediately doing it again, I'm even more surprised that Epsilon is also seemingly doing the same. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:58, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
::(Well, it wasn't the warring. It was repeated refusal to listen to admins and experienced users telling them to abide by [[T:NO RW]] as well as other policies. But, ''yes'', [[Widow]] is the page in question that was the straw that broke the camel's back. Sum41Champ had been doing this on ''many'' other pages and has been blocked ''multiple'' times as a result.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:07, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
::: That is by definition warring? Even if it is one-sided. [[User:DrWHOCorrieFan|DrWHOCorrieFan]] [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:09, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 
== Wallbank ==
 
The image you keep reverting to is not of the preferred aspect ratio ([[T:ICC|widescreen]]) nor of the minimum aspect ratio ([[T:ICC|"Anything less than 4:3, but particularly anything with a height greater than the width, should be avoided. Please carefully crop your images to avoid "tall" pictures, or they may be summarily deleted."]]). [[William Hartnell|Out]] [[Patrick Troughton|of]] [[Jon Pertwee|universe]] [[Tom Baker|pages]] [[Peter Davison|still]] [[Colin Baker|have]] [[Sylvester McCoy|to]] [[Paul McGann|ensure]] [[Christopher Eccleston|that]] [[David Tennant|the]] [[Matt Smith|face]] [[Peter Capaldi|is]] [[Jodie Whittaker|easily]] [[Ncuti Gatwa|visible]] [[James Goss|from]] [[Nicholas Briggs|the]] [[Carole Ann Ford|thumbnail]] [[William Russell|alone]], [[Jacqueline Hill|you]] [[Maureen O'Brien|have]] [[Peter Purves|already]] [[Billie Piper|indicated]] [[Freema Agyeman|you]] [[Catherine Tate|are]] [[Robert Holmes|aware]] [[John Hurt|is]] [[Paul Magrs|the]] [[Stephen Noonan|case]]. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:33, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 
:Unfortunately, [[T:BOUND]]. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:26, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 
:: What point do you think I'm trying to prove? [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:07, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 
== Block  ==
 
Hi Epsilon. Firstly, my condolences about your grandfather. I understand that that's a really tough thing to be dealing with and can definetly cause someone to act irrationally at times. However, I do not feel that that excuses the [[T:NPA]] [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/File:Rafe_Wallbank.jpg?action=history violations] that you made today. Although I am aware of your circumstances here, calling someone blind without context as as an insult is in no way acceptable. This leaves with no choice but to '''block you for a month'''.
 
[[T:NPA]] is not the only policy violation that leads me to this block, however. I also feel that you have violated [[T:IBOX WARS]]. Personal attacks are not the way to resolve a disagreement over images, or anything else for that matter. Similarly, you have clearly violated [[T:NO WARS]]. Edit wars really are good for absolutely nothing. Had you stepped away in the early stages of this conflict, this entire block could have been avoided. I urge you to do this in future.
 
Then there's the image policies, [[T:GTI]] [[T:ICC]] and [[T:IBOX PICS]]. While you're correct that square images are technically allowed, crops similar to [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Jack]]'s are, under current policy, far more preferred. Moreover, Jack's crop is far tighter which is also preferred. [[T:IBOX PICS]] also cleary applies to all infoboxes, not just in-universe ones, and again specifies the widescreen preference. If I'm being honest, I'm not the largest fan of all of these image policies but [[T:BOUND|we are bound by current policy]] and cannot just go ignoring rules we don't like willy-nilly. Certainly, edit summaries are not the way to change policies. This is what the forums, including the current [[Tardis:temporary forums|temporary forums]], are for. Indeed, the proposed thread about image policies is currently second in terms of support and only awaiting an opening post. If you feel this strongly about this policy, it would have been far more constructive to draft an opening post. That would have had far more chance of causing a policy change. Finally, while Tardis does not currently have a specific policy for this, assuming good faith is relatively standard among most wikis and is frankly essential for their successful function. Claiming a [[T:POINT]] violation when all Jack was doing was following policy is a clear violation of good faith and is not something conductive to good editing.
 
Again, my condolences about your grandfather and I hope you're able to use this time away from the wiki to destress a little.
 
Finally, a little technical note: the reason that your link to [[wikipedia:rule of thirds|rule of thirds]] didn't work is that <tt>wikipedia:</tt> is the interwiki prefix for Wikipedia. <tt>w:</tt> is for Fandom (previously '''W'''ikia) Community Central. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:53, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 
: Hey. I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather. I've this week dropped out of my Master's course due to a sexual assault, so I don't think either of us need silly wiki drama at the moment. We do always seem to be on opposite sides of any discussion, but please accept my condolences. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:26, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 
:: Following a message from Jack at [[User talk:Bongolium500#Epsilon]], I have decided to shorten your block from 4 weeks to 3 weeks. This means there is now 1 week remaining. I hope you're doing ok. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:18, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 
== Re: Temporary forums ==
 
Go right ahead. [[User:MrThermomanPreacher|MrThermomanPreacher]] [[User talk:MrThermomanPreacher|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:50, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 
== Torchwood House ==
 
Hi Epsilon. Sorry, I wasn't aware - as per your instruction I'll leave off making any further pages relating to the tie-in websites for the time being. Thanks for letting me know. [[User:66 Seconds|66 Seconds]] [[User talk:66 Seconds|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:52, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 
== btw, when you have time ==
 
Your input would be appreciated at [[Tardis:Temporary forums/Slot 5: Validity: The Book of the Enemy's Biographies of Authors]]. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:28, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 
== Doctor of War editing ==
 
Hello Epsilon, hope you're well. I've been wondering for a long time how exactly to progress the discussion on [[Talk:Dust Devil (audio story)]] concerning this wiki's coverage of the ''Doctor of War'' stories, as it's now been over 6 months since anyone other than myself contributed to that discussion. As the editor who began this discussion all the way back when ''Doctor of War: Genesis'' released in April 2022, as well as (I think) the only admin who has been involved in that discussion, I thought I'd try reaching out to you to see if you could help me possibly resolve the discussion. I've also noticed over the last few months that despite the Cleanup tag on [[Dust Devil (audio story)]] requesting that info on ''Doctor of War'' characters/events/things not be added to the pages of their N-Space counterparts, such edits are now somewhat common across the wiki; in particular, the page [[Fourth Doctor (The Warrior's universe)]] was created despite the Cleanup tag explicitly using the Fourth Doctor as an example of the kinds of edits that should ''not'' be done until the discussion had been resolved. At this point, it's as if some editors have chosen to ignore the progress of the discussion entirely so that there can be at least some kind of coverage of the ''Doctor of War'' stories on the wiki, and admittedly, I can empathise with them here. I would really like to begin editing on pages relating to ''Doctor of War'', but until the discussion on [[Talk:Dust Devil (audio story)]] has been resolved in some manner, I fear that doing so could lead to negative repercussions regarding my ability to edit on the wiki in the first place. As an admin, if you can think of any way to possibly resolve this, I would really appreciate it (I could maybe try the Temporary Forums, although I fear that would primarily involve repeating the entire discussion all over again). [[User:Thalek Prime Overseer|Thalek Prime Overseer]] [[User talk:Thalek Prime Overseer|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:13, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
:Thanks for your reply. I'm sorry for any confusion; I initially thought you were an admin due to your rather unique signature compared to most other editors, but realised quite quickly afterwards that users with their names rendered in bold are likely admins, although I wasn't entirely sure enough to reply to my comment on your talk page. Thanks also for the link to [[Tardis:Administrators]]. I forgot that page existed so I'll be sure to check that whenever I want to talk to an admin. I also reached out to you specifically because you were the editor who began the discussion at [[Talk:Dust Devil (audio story)]] all those months ago, not just because I thought you were an admin. Regardless, thank you for your help, I'll message one of the admins about that talk page shortly (sometimes I worry that I pester @[[User:Scrooge MacDuck]] with how much I've messaged them in the past though). [[User:Thalek Prime Overseer|Thalek Prime Overseer]] [[User talk:Thalek Prime Overseer|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:51, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 
== Ninth Doctor - Have You Seen This Man? ==
 
Hello, there. Firstly, thank you for achieving what I failed at years ago; getting the [[Whoisdoctorwho.co.uk]] context on the [[Ninth Doctor]]'s solo exploits validated. Now those unseen adventures are free for us editors to explore and add to his journey. Now, down to business, I was planning to update the Doctors pages in November (mostly the psychological profiles and introductions), and have been using my Sandbox pages to get the ground work done, though I'll obviously exclude the invalid information and headcanon edits from the main pages. As you'll see in my [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/User:BananaClownMan/Sandbox/Ninth_Doctor Ninth Doctor page], I haven't yet updated it with information from ''[[Have You Seen This Man? (short story)|Have You Seen This Man?]]'', because I wanted to edit it into my sandbox in bulk. This is why I'm contacting you. I wanted to know if you had completed your coverage of ''Have You Seen This Man?'', and, if not, how far you were in completing it, as I was hoping to update my Ninth Doctor sandbox in July so I can make my self-made November deadline.
 
Thank you for your time, and I look forward to hearing back from you.
Sincerely,
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:09, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 
== Reverted Edit ==
 
[https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Millingdale?direction=next&oldid=3543575 Why, how, and what do you mean?] [[User:CaptainKaibyo|CaptainKaibyo]] [[User talk:CaptainKaibyo|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:57, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 
== Tie-in websites ==
 
Hi there, I've been looking at [[User:Epsilon the Eternal/Alternate reality games/Tie-in websites]], and it's really good. Have you noticed [[Into the Unknown (series)]] which seems to fall under the general umbrella of what you're doing on there? :) [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|📢]]  16:44, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 
:Oh, also the [https://web.archive.org/web/20170629185908/http://vincecosmos.com/index.asp/ Vince Cosmos tie-in website], which sounds right up your street (although as it's not a ''Doctor Who'' tie-in website, it might be a little outside the remit of the page). [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]]  12:39, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 
== TLDR ==
 
Hey, congrats on the fandom star thing. Just saw that. If you read the intro and the conclusion you'll get the rough outline of the post. The actual arguments and evidence are within the full text, so I'd suggest maybe reading intro+conclusion then the whole thing, or if you're particularly interested in specific bits go searching for them in the relevant sections. Cheers. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:53, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 
== Roland Rat ==
 
Hi Epsilon, mind if I contribute over at [[User:Epsilon the Eternal/Sandbox Four]]? I've been watching the Roland Rat crossover, and I would like to expand it a little. Many thanks, [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|📢]]  17:32, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 
: I think I've added just about all I can to it, would you mind if I started a talk page discussion about it? Or do you think it would require a forum thread? Much thanks, [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]]  16:23, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 
:: Okay. Do you mind if I start the thread or do you want to?- [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]]  16:44, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 
:::Great! Thanks! [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]]  17:00, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 
== Moving pages ==


== While you're here ==
I saw in your edit notes on [[Laundrette (The Edge of Time)]] that non-admin can move pages. I had no idea this was a thing so just wanted to double check on whether I can do this. Thanks! [[User:StevieGLiverpool|StevieGLiverpool]] [[User talk:StevieGLiverpool|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:11, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


There's a discussion at [[Talk:The Master]] you might want to read/chime in on. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:37, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
== I dunno about you, but that thread left me feeling a little disoriented. ==


== Phoenix Court Iris / Edith Sitwell Iris ==
In other news, I'd appreciate your comments at [[Forum:10 Years on, Amnesty Once More]] whenever you have the time. Question 4.1 might be of interest to you (and I suspect Scrooge and Nate as well, though I'm guessing on Scrooge). [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:28, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
:No worries, completely get that. If you didn't get in on the ground floor it's one that's hard to keep up with. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:25, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


Hey Epsilon,
== Re: T:NPA ==
I just saw your attempted apology at [[User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan]] pursuant to [[Talk:Fifteenth Doctor]]. While the speed is appreciated, the wording strikes me as somewhat insufficient. In the first place, you primarily stand accused of ''failing to assume good faith'', not a personal attack. Furthermore your wording ''was'' objectively out of line; it's not enough for you to say that you didn't intend it that way but are sorry ''if'' DrWHOCorrieFan interpreted it negatively. You simply should not have written it, and I need to know that you understand that, and will do better in the future. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 23:51, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


I have recently (as of today!) read ''[[Bafflement and Devotion (short story)|Bafflement and Devotion]]'' for the first time. However, I still have not read any of the Phoenix Court stories - and, as my current ''to read'' list is way too long, I do not plan to for quite some time. Are you able to help explain which part of Bafflement implies that the Edith Sitwell / Phoenix Court Irises are one and the same? Thanks. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:14, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
== Re: The Doctor's sonic screwdriver ==
Yes, you have permission to use any of my sandboxes to aid in creating your OP to split this page, and you're not stepping on my toes by doing so. Happy OP-crafting![[User:Cousin Ettolrhc|Cousin Ettolrahc]] [[User talk:Cousin Ettolrhc|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:27, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


: Do you happen to have the quote from ''Marked for Life'' handy?
== Re: Bot run ==


: The Edith Sitwell incarnation is often described as being "regal" or "a grande-dame", which fits with Edith Sitwell from the real world as she was known for being eccentric. However, the "lesbian novelist" from ''[[Hospitality (short story)|Hospitality]]'' is described as wearing an "army greatcoat" and the others indicate that she is either boring or a "crap guest" - neither of these things seem to fit with the Edith Sitwell incarnation. Also, I can find no evidence of Edith Sitwell being lesbian in real life - I do not believe that Magrs would force sexuality onto someone in his books. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:53, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Absolutely. I'm on it now. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:59, 17 September 2023 (UTC)


:: I think that there is a difference between developing a character's sexuality (in ''[[Enter Wildthyme (novel)|Enter Wildthyme]]'' Simon has only just come to terms with his sexuality) to directly using a real-life person's name in order to tie them to a sexuilty that they didn't identify with.
== The Encyclopedia ==


:: I look forward to seeing the quote when you obtain it, as I am interested to see how similar the pair are presented. But, currently the only similarities that I see are that they are two older women who write books (same could be said of Katy Manning's incarnation). [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:22, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
I don't think there is a need for one. [[User:MrThermomanPreacher|MrThermomanPreacher]] [[User talk:MrThermomanPreacher|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:08, 24 September 2023 (UTC)


== RE: A Groatsworth of Wit ==
== RE: Poetry ==


When [[Robert Greene]] is looking for copies of his own work in the modern day bookshop, you can see in the panel when he first enters the shop a shop assistant organising some sort of postcard display just to the right of the Harry Potter poster. Immediately below the postcard display is a a display of Doctor Who annuals. [[User:NightmareofEden|NightmareofEden]] [[User talk:NightmareofEden|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 16:26, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I had thought that too, but I looked at other poems on the wiki and presumably they hadn't been changed yet. Thanks :) [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] 18:46, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


I don't possess any means to scan pages, I'm afraid,and I can't find it posted officially to anywhere online either, so all I could do is take a physical photo of the page itself, and I'm not sure the admins would be cool with that. [[User:NightmareofEden|NightmareofEden]] [[User talk:NightmareofEden|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:32, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
== Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes question ==


== Karlotte at the Colette-Willy ==
Why, hello.


To answer your question, ''Karlotte at the Colette-Willy'' only names Miss Baumgarten (also known as "Ma Baumgarten") and Karlotte. The narrator is unnamed, but is identified as being an author. A letter that Karlotte writes to the narrator starts "Dear Boys", so it can be assumed that the narrator was intended to be Magrs himself.
I wanted to ask if you could help me with something. I've been trying to find the new policy that dictates that continuity sections are now to be written with an out of universe perspective going forward, mainly because I plan to challenge it on the grounds that the continuity section references in-universe events, but I can't find anything specific within [[Forum:Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes]]. Since you are the main advocate for the policy, I was hoping you could give me the abridged version of this forum, focusing on the parts relevant to how continuity sections are addressed, to help me understand and maybe come around to this new line of thinking.  


''What Now, My Love?'' features [[Little Nanna]] and [[Granddad (The Story of Fester Cat)|her husband]]. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:32, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your time,  
Sincerely,
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:58, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


: No problem!
Thank you. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:02, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


: Have you read the ''[[Christmassy Tales (anthology)|Christmassy Tales]]'' ''The Christmas Trilobite''. That features the fictionalised version of Paul Magrs, and also Mrs Claus (Magrs' version who appeared throughout the ''Iris Wildthyme'' and ''Brenda and Effie'' series. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:45, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
== Rose Noble ==


== Talk page formatting ==
I'd like to apologise for thoughtlessly adding Rose's deadname to the lead in her article. I just want you to know that I'm not a horrible person and I do support trans people. Good job removing my stupidity from the article. [[User:Xbsv|Xbsv]] [[User talk:Xbsv|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 22:21, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
As an aside, editing other people's formatting on talk pages is usually a job left for admins :) – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 17:51, 31 January 2021 (UTC)


== Enter Wildthyme ==
== Recent edits ==


You information was not removed, just shorted with extra information added. Your outline provided great help for me when fixing the plot... nothing was removed which impacts the story. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:35, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Looking into some of your recent edits specifically relating to the use of edit summaries, please use the edit summaries '''for edit summaries''', not to engage in discussions regarding the edits, and / or the preceding editors' edits. Put that on the page's talk page or create a forum topic if it's got a wider wiki-concern.  


: The hours you put in are appreciated, but the fact is that I summed up what you said in thirty-three paragraphs in six short ones without leaving out any significant information (and actually adding several seriously important plot points). Not that I want to be too hard on your work, and I understand that it was your first ever plot summary, but the three paragraphs I have focused on (and sent to [[User:Shambala108]]) are riddled with inaccuracies;
I know in the past we've had a more relaxed attitude to edit summaries, but they should be there to explain what has been changed. Not to engage in discussion/commentary of the changes. Put yourself in the position of an editor wading through edit summaries trying to work out what's been changed, it should be informative to the changes.


* Simon and Kelly attended a [[Writers' Festival|poetry reading]] not a poetry class.
Don't try to engage in an edit war with the edit summaries, there's better places to engage in discussion regarding these matters, if it's a matter of a more recent article engage an admin and the page can be locked to prevent editing until the vexing issue is resolved.
* Simon acknowledges the Celestial Omnibus but does not show displeasure.
* "As the congregation of people '''begins clear '''at around midnight".
* Iris Wildthyme is present at the afterparty for a lot longer and doesn't arrive after Midnight.
* Marvelle and Kelly do not get intimate.
* It is not confirmed whether it was Iris or Panda driving the bus.


: Again, I do not wish to be harsh and appreciate your work. But the summary is far too long and riddled with both grammatical errors and speculation / personal interpretations which I removed in my simplification.
And if there's something with some ambiguity where an edit war may arise, then support your position with an talk page, forum discussion or policy that backs up that edit change. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 01:33, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


: There was no necessary plot points which I left out. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:55, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
== Star Beast crew section ==


:: Thanks, Epsilon!
Hi Epsilon, I saw you marked the [[The Star Beast (TV story)#Crew]] as needing cleanup – what specifically was the issue you're having with it? I know there are a lot of crew members listed in the code that don't appear in the table yet, but that's because we're waiting on about two hundred new crew positions to be coded into the template, which takes a while (see [[Template talk:Wales crew]]). [[User:Starkidsoph|Starkidsoph]] [[User talk:Starkidsoph|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:42, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


:: I don't feel comfortable at the minute contributing to the page anymore after my edits were called counter productive. But, hopefully seeing what Shambala says things will progress.
: Oh, OK, I'll do that – I wasn't because it takes up a lot more space, but I can certainly see it's clearer. [[User:Starkidsoph|Starkidsoph]] [[User talk:Starkidsoph|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:30, 2 December 2023 (UTC)


:: On another note are you making pages for ''[[The Lora Trilogy]]''? Scrooge said that they are allowed valid pages of their own, but I didn't want to go ahead and create them incase someone like yourself was already working on them or had a sandbox prepared. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:23, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
== UNIT HQ ==


== FP metafiction ==
Hi. Didn't realise you had plans in place. No worries. I'm happy with [[UNIT HQ, City of London]] and [[UNIT HQ, Leadenhall Street]]. Anything beyond that does seem a little too long, so Leadenhall Street is fine by me as long as it has a conjecture tag. [[User:66 Seconds|66 Seconds]] [[User talk:66 Seconds|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 11:22, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
While dab term concerns drive me to ''general'' opposition toward the proliferation of metafictional material on the wiki, I have a fact which may tempt you:
{{fpx|Philip Purser-Hallard (Contributors)|Philip Purser-Hallard (Burning with Optimism's Flames)}}
Essentially, the contributor biography sections of ''[[Burning with Optimism's Flames (anthology)|Burning with Optimism's Flames]]'' and ''[[More Tales of the City (anthology)|More Tales of the City]]'' are written from an in-universe perspective and therefore provide in-universe citations for ''Doctor Who'', ''Faction Paradox'', ''Iris Wildthyme'', ''Bernice Summerfield'', ''Senor 105'' (although I suppose it's ambiguous as to whether having "written for Senor 105" refers to a book series or the character himself), ''Of the City of the Saved'' (both with and without ellipsis), ''The Breakspeare Voyage'' (and like a billion other Simon Bucher-Jones books), ''Erasing Sherlock'', ''Tales of the City'', ''Walking in Eternity'' (!), and of course the [[Obverse MegaText Conglomerate]]. Knowing your interests, I think you should definitely check it out. [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 14:39, 3 February 2021 (UTC)


== Not notability, but about meta references ==
== Re:TCoRR ==


As for the first, as I said on the talk page, if you're talking about things that also have real world pages and are merely referenced, current policy is to list them on the real world pages in short sections. We can disagree, but that's policy. It's not an issue of notability, but of how things are currently done.
Of course. Takes a bit to do properly, but it's not that hard. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:21, 26 December 2023 (UTC)


As for the second, my major objection was that the person linked to a page that already existed and it was the ''wrong'' page, ie, one for a dating app, but if you're going to create a link to a page something that's minor in a story, more power to you, but ''make the page yourself''. If it's not prominent enough for other people to make the page, don't leave a red link hanging around. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:56, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
== You open a discussion about it ==


== Re: vandalism ==
Hello.
Hi when you see vandalism on the wiki, please let an [[admin]] know (or wait for one to take care of it). Please do not delete information from a vandalized page as it makes it harder for an admin to figure out what needs fixing thanks [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)


== Re Sandbox infobox ==
I wanted to reply to your comment [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Ruby_Sunday?diff=3684899&oldid=3684898 here] about why I don't start discussions, as there are a few reasons, and one of them isn't all that pretty. The first, and most mundane reason, is that I don't actually know how to start threads. I've only ever found out how to reply to them. The second reason is that I have a communicational disability; I only just manage to find the words in the edit description briefs, and the occasional talk page entries when properly motivated, and can be overwhelmed easily when partaking in discussions, with the thought of starting one being pretty panic inducing. The last reason, and the one that I still find triggering, is that, last year, I was bombarded with messages from a user who eventually left messages of self-harm on my talk page, which was also unsigned and left well meaning users posting self-help support to me in the misunderstanding that I wrote the messages. Having struggled with self-harming thoughts in the past, I got really badly triggered by the whole ordeal, and it put me off using talk pages. I'm only now starting to use them again, but the fear of someone replying with such content is still there.


Thanks Epsilon, that's helped to put the right title but for some reason the infobox isn't showing. [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:26, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Since you were oblivious to these issues, I'll let it slide for now with just an apology for telling me to start a discussion to defend the status quo (upon proof-reading, I might need to reword this better), and ask if you could start one to begin seeing if multiple actors for ages if worth having in the infobox, as it will affect more than [[Ruby Sunday]]. Off the top of my head, a decision like that will also apply to [[Jack Harkness]], [[Gray (Adam)|his brother]], [[Amy Pond]], [[Rory Williams]], [[Mels Zucker]], the [[First Doctor]], [[Sarah Jane Smith]], [[Andrea Yates]], [[Rose Tyler]], [[Nyssa]], [[Tegan Jovanka]], [[Clara Oswin Oswald]], [[Clara Oswald]] and probably a whole bunch of other characters featured in flashbacks that slip my mind at present.


== Re Fangs ==
Thank you for your time,  
Well, my rationale can logically be found in the forums, but I think at the time I was just trying to find a consistent logic to our rules, where consistency is often not really present. In my opinion, since we cover at least three alternate-universe stories where ''Doctor Who'' is a TV show, we should also cover this story. I also think trying to find a universal judgement on exactly how much meta is allowed in a story is very hard and shouldn't even be attempted. But my opinion doesn't really mean much, you see.
Sincerely,  
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:12, 2 January 2024 (UTC)


I think there's a whole lot that needs to get fixed whenever we get the forums properly back. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 23:29, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
== Meta-Crisis Doctor and the Day to Come ==


== Master discussion ==
Hello, I wanted to respond to your question regarding the Meta-Crisis Doctor's "Day to come" section. The information you removed was added due to the sources making note to the Doctor's regenerations. Since the Meta-Crisis Doctor was confirmed to count in the twelve limit in ''The Time of the Doctor'', I included him when I was making note about the times the previous Doctor's upcoming regenerations were brought up, like when Mawdryn wanted the Fifth Doctor's remaining seven regenerations or the Valeyard's goal of getting the Sixth Doctor's remaining six. But, as I've mentioned before, I've been second guessing my old edits regarding the "Day to come" section, and plan to really think it over once I'm done with the [[Fourteenth Doctor]] retrospective I'm cureently doing in my mandatory week off work post-Christmas.


Hey there :) I wanted to just let you know that I've delete your new discsussion about the Master over at Discussions.  This wasn't to silent you, but just to stop further discussion on that platform, as it's not well suited to having heavy, wiki-altetring discussions. As you know, you can't use wiki-text there, which we'll need to have a heavy discussion like that.  Rest assured, though, that your sentiments are well-taken and that we'll of course be returning to this matter in the near future! See my comments at [[user talk:Scrooge MacDuck#Discussions use]] for more! {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 21:14: Sat 27 Feb 2021</span>
I hope you found this answer satisfactory,
::Sorry, I honestly didn't expect anyone to take me literally. As I explained to Scrooge, I was just trying to give some historical context.  I wasn't expecting anyone to take me quite so literally, quite so fast. Please hold on to your ideas for a little while longer, as the Discussions area is totally the wrong place to be talking about major changes to the wiki.  That platform was always intended by Fandom to be just for ''light'' discussions and announcements, and certainly this wiki has always practiced a hard division between Forums and Discussions. We'll be badk to regular use of Forums soon!  Thanks! {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 21:25: Sat 27 Feb 2021</span>
Sincerely,  
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:12, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

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The Doctor (The Five O'Clock Shadow)[[edit source]]

Ah, no — he used to have a page, actually, but he doesn't anymore. The thing here is that we only award pages to unspecified Doctor if it's clear that they're intended to be new, unnumbered Doctors — but if we don't have any physical description or other reason to think they're not an existing Doctor, then they just go in The Doctor#Undated events. Scrooge MacDuck 11:39, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Thinly-veiled characters[[edit source]]

Thanks again for all your help in growing this list, I really appreciate it! – n8 () 14:56, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

A Tingle of Happiness[[edit source]]

Hi Epsilon,

I noticed that you added that the a demon from Magrs' Nest Cottage Chronicles appeared in A Tingle of Happiness. Where was it confirmed that these Demons were the same? RadMatter 15:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Appearances list suggestion[[edit source]]

I saw your addition on Najawin's sandbox, and just wanted to let you know there was an ongoing discussion about this exact thing and many other aspects of appearances/appearance lists before the forums disappeared. In fact, now that I think about it, if we ever get that thread back it might be the right place for your proposal in general. I don't know if this link will work again, but for reference it was Thread:141930 (called something like "What is an appearance?"). Chubby Potato 23:46, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Vitas Varnas in Omega[[edit source]]

Hey, just wondering if you had a citation for the matter of the character explicitly both being the same individual in terms of intent. That's the current issue that is being had by me with that page. The existing citation to the story itself doesn't cover that because the story doesn't make the connection itself... hence my addition of a fact tag.

I have heard a few fans say that the two are meant to be the same, but there seems to be no source they can give me.

Until we have a cited statement from Cutaway Comics on the page that works to cover that point, I feel it's worth having that tag there to acknowledge that the connection of both instances is a matter that will cited from elsewhere rather than the story itself. Otherwise, in my opinion, we're making a bit of a presumptive comment regarding two identically faced characters that we cannot make without cited authorial intent - particularly given precedent in the Whoniverse for identically faced characters that aren't connected. JDPManjoume 10:30, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing that talk page to my attention. I think the concern for me is that the page still reads as though we're saying that the story itself makes that connection... when perhaps it should be a combination of that Kickstarter page for Omega and something relevant to the Lytton appearance that should be leveraged on the weight of the connection.
Bart Simpson makes for an interesting precedent, and somewhat curious one (I am going to have to try and query Mike Collins about both of those), and I would certainly hope to not be splitting the pages either as that would be rather messy - but without a cited source of some kind or a tag denoting that we've yet to put one in place, I can't help but feel that we are making a call that is a bit difficult to make... I will mull on it. JDPManjoume 17:42, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Re External communication[[edit source]]

What's wrong with my talkpage? RadMatter 22:03, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

The Magrs Wiki would be great for me Epsilon! RadMatter 22:33, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Some issues that need to be covered[[edit source]]

Hi I need to address a couple of things with you.

  • The forums and policies: please stop complaining about the lack of forums and User:CzechOut's lack of progress in same. There are a lot of issues here: we have no idea what he's doing in real life that might be keeping him from this project; we have no idea what he's working on and don't want to cause technical issues; and we don't allow just anyone to do whatever they want here (yes a lot of you are experienced prolific editors but not everyone who edits here is, and everyone has to be subject to the same rules). To make a long story short, no more comments about CzechOut's lack of progress.
  • Personal attacks: I know you know the rules so I'm not going to quote or cite them here. There is nothing wrong with you disagreeing with another user, and nothing wrong with pointing that out. However, the namecalling violates policy. Right now I am specifically referring to the discussion post where you called the OP "silly" twice. This user in particular has been here only a little over a month. This is obviously not how we want new users to be greeted. Instead of calling names you could have introduced him to the idea of non-TV doctors. This can be hard for some people to do, but try to put yourself into the position of a new user entering a community and being greeted with name calling.

I actually contemplated blocking you, not so much for the complaints against policy, but more for the namecalling on the discussion boards. Given the discussion over at Tardis talk:Temporary forums, and your obvious disagreement with my deletion of the page, I figured it wouldn't look good for me to block you at this time (it might look like I was trying to silence your arguments). Don't mistake that as any kind of approval of your behavior, and another offense will result in a block.

Sorry this is so long and thanks for reading it Shambala108 03:53, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Baker's End[[edit source]]

Hi Epsilon,

Would you be able to elaborate on the research that you did regarding Baker's End and why you don't think that an inclusion debate would be clear cut? RadMatter 15:32, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, please! RadMatter 15:37, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Block[[edit source]]

Hi please note that you are blocked for a week for ignoring admin instructions. Specifically, I noted at Talk:Ian Chesterton that only admins can end discussions. You ignored that instruction by removing a "rename" tag at Sprout Boy meets a Galaxy of Stars (TV story). Like I mentioned at the Ian Chesterton talk page, if you think there needs to be some movement in a long-abandoned discussion, ask an admin. Shambala108 00:33, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

I am answering here your post at Community. When I blocked you I left the ability for you to edit this talk page so it's just easier to keep the conversation here.
To address your points in order:
  • Your comment about the Ian Chesterton issue that it wasn't a discussion, rather than a suggestion, is just semantics. Talk pages are specifically defined as for discussing the editing of an article. Any issue raised on the talk page is a discussion, and T:BOUND means that any changes must wait for the discussion to be closed. And there is no magic number of users to make something a discussion.
  • "There is no policy that states that admins are the only ones with that power" is not true. The policy has been stated over and over on article talk pages, user talk pages, forum discussions, and edit summaries. Not every policy has to be spelled out on a [[Tardis:something]] page.
  • Your point that the discussion you closed was beneficial is irrelevant, because of T:BOUND.
  • You were blocked for removing a rename template, which initiates a discussion. That's why non-admins aren't permitted to remove them.
  • Please refrain from accusing me (or any other admin) of violating FANDOM blocking policy. As stated in the second point above, our policies are not confined to policy pages; the prohibition of a non-admin closing a discussion is, as stated above, in many places on the wiki.
  • "I expect you to re-assess...and...remove [the block]". Sorry but that is not the way to approach it. You have assumed you are in the right and I am in the wrong, and as you can see from my comments, I do not agree with that assessment. Maybe a little contrition would have helped. Sometimes it's just better to say, "I'm sorry, I won't do it again" or even "I appreciate that the block was only one week" instead of expecting the block to be removed.
  • No one, admin or otherwise, is allowed to tell other users what to edit. I contribute what I can when I can, and since there are few people with admin powers, my focus tends to be on admininstrative items. There is also the issue that whenever possible, a closing admin should not have participated in a discussion. Be assured that the admins do watch the discussions and are aware of what needs to be done.
  • Finally, feel free to contact another admin, as is your right. Hopefully you will get a quick response despite the holiday.
Thanks for your attention Shambala108 04:13, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

I am copy/pasting the rules from the "How to respond to being blocked" section of Help:I'm blocked. I have bolded the parts that you violated in your posts to me over at Community Central.

Because Fandom Staff probably won't help you, somehow you need to get in touch with local admin. The only way to do this, if they're preventing you from all communication on their wiki, is to go to another Fandom wiki — neutral ground as it were — and leave a message on their wall/talk page there. If they don't respond to you after one (again, one) polite and reasonable attempt at apology, you can make one last attempt.
You can then seek out a different local admin than the one who blocked you and plead your case. (Again, you'll have to contact them on a different wiki, and again you'll need to keep your cool when you do it.) Admit that you were wrong and ask the "neutral" admin to perform an internal review of the case. If you make your case politely and you admit you were wrong, you might get the blocking re-considered. The blocking might not actually get overturned, but at least you'll have gotten some sort of review by the only people who can overturn it.
Having said all this, you need to be very careful about contacting people who have blocked you. Don't carry on a conversation with a person on wiki a about events on wiki b. The admin of wiki b might not like it, especially if the conversation turns ugly. You could easily end up being banned from wiki b too. Make it one note. Make it apologetic. Don't swear. Don't accuse. Just say, "I made a mistake. I apologise profusely. Is there any way you could review the block and lower it?" That's it. And remember: one attempt at communicating with a blocking admin is reasonable. Two or more attempts can be considered harrassment.

Shambala108 03:17, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Corsair[[edit source]]

Hey Toby, just thought you might be interested in Talk:Eleven Things You Probably Didn't Know About the Corsair, since it's relevant to your conversation at Talk:The Corsair. – n8 () 15:00, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

U.N.I.T. (fictional website)[[edit source]]

Hi Epsilon the Eternal, well done on all you've done with the pages for the UNIT website.

In case you wish to do any more pages for the fictional websites, here's a list of all the ones I'm aware of from 2005-07:

These are some other websites that I'm less clear on:

Plus some Torchwood ones:

I hope you find this information useful. Doc77can 01:41, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Me again, I remembered another one.
  • Ghostwatch launched: c.28-Jun-06 Wayback link There was a link on the "Army of Ghosts" episode page on the Doctor Who website.
Also the series 1 sites were linked from the Doctor Who website homepage.
  • c.Thu 24-Mar-05, whoisdoctorwho.co.uk from a link at the bottom of the "Rose" homepage entitled Lies, this link seems to have been renamed Who is Doctor Who? by the following day.
  • c.Wed 20-Apr-05, unit.org.uk from a link at the bottom of the "World War Three" homepage entitled UNIT: Alien Hotline.
  • c.Wed 04-May-05, geocomtex.net from a link hidden in the flash version of the "The Long Game" homepage entitled WELCOME TO GEOCOMTEX.
  • c.Sat 04-Jun-05, badwolf.org.uk from a link at the bottom of the "Boom Town" homepage entitled Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf?, this link seems to have been renamed Bad Wolf by Mon 13-Jun-05.
  • c.Sat 17-Dec-05, guinevere.org.uk from a link on the flash version of "The Christmas Invasion" homepage entitled DISCOVER Mars.
Each of the flash versions of the homepages for "Rose"-"World War Three" & "The Long Game" contained a hidden link to whoisdoctorwho.co.uk. If you hovered the cursor over a specific area text would appear, clicking on it linked to the site. The flash version of the "Boom Town" homepage contained a hidden link to badwolf.org.uk as well, if you hovered the cursor over the TARDIS, the Bad Wolf graffiti would appear, clicking on it linked to the site.
BBC Blog about Doctor Who's online stuff
Doc77can 01:18, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Just leaving this link here so I don't forget about it, but I found another in-universe website. henriksonline.co.uk 11:46, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Me again, re your Sanbox Nine.
At the end of each of the first six Series 2 browser games, they would redirect to a webpage which would feature a second pop-up video from Mickey.
Game Webpage link Text Pop-up video URL
Security Bot [1] connection ended back to Homepage mickey1b
Satellites [2] Satellite Information Sent - Return to homepage mickey2b
Defeat Deffry [3]
[4]
SESSION TERMINATED. RETURN TO DEFFRY VALE HIGH SCHOOL HOMEPAGE. mickey3b
mickey3c
Clockwork Quest [5] Mission accomplished - Return to homepage mickey4b
Cybus Spy [6] ricky5b
Save Paris [7] CONNECTION TERMINATED Disclaimer © Cybus Industries mickey6b
Hi Epsilon, I uploaded images of all the 2005-06 tie-in websites, hope these are of use to you.
  • Who is Doctor Who?.jpg
  • Who is Doctor Who? website (Post-TX).jpg
  • Defending the Earth!.jpg
  • Defending the Earth! website (Parallel Earth).jpg
  • UNIT website.jpg
  • GeoComTex website.jpg
  • Bad Wolf website.jpg
  • Guinevere One website.jpg
  • Leamington Spa Lifeboat Museum website.jpg
  • Millingdale Ice Cream website.jpg
  • Torchwood House website.jpg
  • Deffry Vale High School website.jpg
  • Cybus Industries website.jpg
  • Cybus Fitness website.jpg
  • International Electromatics website.jpg
  • Henrik & Son website.jpg
  • Ghostwatch website.jpg
  • Torchwood website (Pre-TX).jpg
  • Torchwood Institute website.jpg
  • Doc77can 21:22, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

    Hi, here are some of the hidden links & images from the tie-in websites.
  • Cybus Industries Intranet Secure Log-In.jpg
  • Cybus Industries Intranet Button.jpg
  • Satellite Game end screen.jpg
  • Clockwork Robot Game end screen.jpg
  • Save Cyber Paris! end screen.jpg
  • Cybus Industries Logo.jpg
  • Cybus Industries Finance poster.jpg
  • Cybus Industries For Sale poster.jpg
  • Cybus Industries Hazard Sign 1 poster.jpg
  • Cybus Industries Hazard Sign 2 poster.jpg
  • Cybus Industries Power poster.jpg
  • Cybus Industries Property poster.jpg
  • Cybus Industries To Let poster.jpg
  • Deffry Vale High School Welcome poster.jpg
  • Deffry Vale High School Chips poster.jpg
  • John Lumic Man of Steel book cover.jpg
  • Jackie Tyler The Strong Survive book cover.jpg
  • Arthur Leyden The Light of the Moon book cover.jpg
  • Doc77can 01:41, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

    Re: Edit war[[edit source]]

    That might be the case, but wouldn't explain why they revert my edits when I remove the spaces, leaving the rest of their edit intact. Jack "BtR" Saxon 13:14, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

    Presenting yourself as an admin[[edit source]]

    You are not an admin on this site, I do not appreciate you leaving bold text instructions on my talkpage telling me what to do/what not to do. DrWHOCorrieFan 13:24, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

    Right — I assume you saw the discussion on the other talk pages, but, for the sake of transparency and protocol, I'll record it here explicitly:
    While User:DrWHOCorrieFan, not being an admin either, was sort of making the same mistake, and their tone was a bit curt in general, this doesn't change the fact that the spirit of the above post is correct. Especially when dealing with a new user, you should be careful not to claim, or give the impression of claiming, admin authority that you do not have. As User:Shambala108 noted, this isn't the first time we've had cause to give you a warning about this. Please make a real effort to be more careful about this, especially in the more heated sorts of discussions like the present one. An explicit "I'm not an admin, but…" sort of disclaimer costs little and goes a long way. Scrooge MacDuck 00:00, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

    Sergeant vs Sargeant[[edit source]]

    Hi there. I notice you've been referring to A Frederick as a sargeant rather than by the correct spelling, Sergeant. I wonder if this is a deliberate choice or not, as I note that, at the very least, Operation Mannequin uses the correct spelling. Jack "BtR" Saxon 10:40, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

    Cleavis[[edit source]]

    Hey, I noticed that you seem to be a Paul Magrs fan. I wondered if you would be interested in reading my comment on Talk:Cleavis. DrWHOCorrieFan 00:24, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

    Discord[[edit source]]

    hey eps we think your discord got hacked its sending out wierd links to probably fake minecraft servers Editoronthewiki 21:13, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

    Re: Moving Pages[[edit source]]

    Ah! You're completely right. I totally forgot about moving links in that moment. Wont happen again. DrWHOCorrieFan 12:10, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

    T:SPOIL[[edit source]]

    Your request on my talk page to lock a certain page from creation for the time being was, in and of itself, correct, but — er — not to reignite the flames of the recent debate, but surely you see that saying the names outright is even more obviously a spoiler-hazard than the previous business? There is basically only one context in which we'd want to creation-lock an as-yet-uncreated page about an actor. T:SPOIL matters, to a lot of readers and editors. I realise this was a tricky thing to convey without repeating the spoilers, but you could, for example, have advised me to check whether the pages of "all announced actors" had yet been locked, without naming any names.

    (I've redacted your message rather than deleted it, since DrWHOCorrieFan said they'd rather I'd done that with theirs.) Scrooge MacDuck 22:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

    They most definitively are not. User talk pages are the single most difficult-to-avoid part of the Wiki for the user in question. It so happens I already know of the casting announcement under discussion, but supposing I were spoiler-averse, where do you suppose I would be, now? It is due diligence 101 (doubly so for an admin) to check my talk page regularly! Scrooge MacDuck 23:29, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

    Re: Editing other people's talk pages[[edit source]]

    Admins have the right to update links on other people's talk pages; I am not sure that other users have it by rights, in terms of precedent. Certainly T:UVAN itself doesn't give that right to them. It would probably be best to ask an admin to perform such mass link changes, or else to ask permission from the user whose page you want to edit. Scrooge MacDuck 16:32, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

    Spoilers[[edit source]]

    Hi please note that the following page is in violation of the spoiler policy: User:Epsilon the Eternal/Ncuti Gatwa. Tardis:Where spoilers are allowed is very clear about where spoilers can be placed. You can either delete the information (and then re-add it when it is no longer a spoiler) or an admin can delete the page and later restore it if necessary. Thanks Shambala108 03:48, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

    Well it has been five days since I posted the above. If after a week the spoilers from this page haven't been removed, the page will be deleted. Thanks Shambala108 02:08, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
    Re List of future releases, I have a very hazy memory of a discussion (probably in the forums? and maybe by me?) where this was brought up, but there's nothing on its talk page or that of List of future Big Finish releases. Someone did ask about the existence of these pages on Talk:List of future Big Finish releases, and I answered that maybe it's considered a series page, but otherwise I don't know; I will check up on it and get back to you. If someone else remembers the original discussion, then I guess we could add it to Tardis:Where spoilers are allowed. Shambala108 01:33, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

    In-universe versions of these stories…[[edit source]]

    How's it hanging, Epsilon? Since you were the creator (iirc) of the "Doctor Who franchise in the DWU" navbox, I was wondering if you could direct me to where the in-universe versions of Christmas Invasion, New Earth, Smith and Jones, Voyage of the Damned, and The Pilot appeared? Cheers WaltK 19:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

    Re:Sandbox 3[[edit source]]

    That's a rather, well, unique case, since the work in question isn't a story, and is sorta kinda already a thing? See my discussion with OS12 at User talk:OncomingStorm12th/Archive 4#Question about Spoiler Policy and User talk:Najawin/Archive 2#Re:Spoiler policy. (Not exactly analogous, but it discusses how merchandise rules are not the same as story rules.) The work in question has also already had multiple "releases", and my understanding is that there's a version of it that some members of the public are playing. It's a complicated issue. Arguably the better argument is that User:Najawin/Sandbox 2 had spoilers when I made it. Which you could argue it did? Certainly no more so than a press release. Note that I'm actually in favor of a relaxation of the spoiler rules to a certain level, eg, to the level where we can actually create a page for a certain actor. But the proposal you've currently floated allows more than just "press release" style pages in sandboxes, it allows for rumors to be there as well, a la Series 14 (Doctor Who), which I just can't support. And in any event this is a separate proposal to the one Nate's floating and they should be made separately. Najawin 20:08, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

    Antonio Amaral[[edit source]]

    btw, did the issue with his likeness in Lytton ever get resolved? I was never interested in Lytton, so idk if he's shown up in it yet or not. Najawin 06:39, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

    Re: Re: Guestbook[[edit source]]

    Ok. It's an interesting concept. Bongo50 06:12, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

    BBC DVD covers[[edit source]]

    Hi, I've been gathering every BBC DVD cover image on the wiki into one of my sandboxes, in order to see where there are any missing covers or duplicates.

    Pop over and have a look, and feel free to upload any of the missing covers.

    User:Doc77can/sandbox12

    P.S. I'm messaging several users so check the upload log first.

    Doc77can 20:30, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

    Petronella Osgood's... relative[[edit source]]

    Hi, Epsilon. I hadn't actually thought about that, but it's a good point. The only reference more concrete than vague "family connections" that I can think of at the moment is one where she gets cut off - in Call to Arms, Benton says that she reminds him of someone and she says "oh, you mean my--".

    I'm going through a load of Kate and Osgood stories at the moment, so I'll keep my eyes peeled and my ears... also peeled for more concrete references to an actual relative. Jack "BtR" Saxon 15:36, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

    Hellscape 5 and 6[[edit source]]

    So policy requires someone to have listened to these particular audios to start a disinclusion debate over them. Do you know someone on here who's listening to Hellscape? Najawin 00:33, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

    Seasons Greetings[[edit source]]

    Merry Christmas, Epsilon the Eternal, and have a Happy New Year. Sincerely, BananaClownMan 11:08, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

    Re: International Electromatics[[edit source]]

    Hmm. Truth be told that the information in that revision, though added relatively recently, was derived from elsewhere on the Wiki which I believed to be true. I've been aware of that apparent "fact" for some years and it seemed to gel with my memory of the tie-in websites but now I can't seem to find it from what's avaliable on Wayback. MrThermomanPreacher 19:33, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

    Non-narrative fiction[[edit source]]

    Be my guest! The current plan is to simply suggest allowing non-narrative fiction but to note that many might also want to discuss nonlinear stories. While that won't be part of the main proposal, the forum dive suggested that the historical context of nonlinear stories was important to the overall discussion, and it's certainly a way we could go. Najawin 15:44, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

    Sure. Not the plan, but I think the context is important. (My current thought is to note at the end that if you want to discuss nonlinear stories to use a separate subheading and keep that discussion separate from the rest of the thread.) Najawin 16:24, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
    Thank you for the notes, I've edited to reflect. As regarding your post, there are a few blanks in my timeline, and Scrooge's comment only fills in one of them, and that one incompletely. Namely, User:Chubby Potato's thread regarding TARDIS Type 40 Instruction Manual, we lost all of the posts on that thread and this was one of them. Scrooge's post doesn't actually reference anything from the deleted forums, it's entirely discussing things that are still available for us to see and are detailed in my history. (Though we disagree on the significance on Forum:Canonicity of Dalek Annuals. As far as I can tell the thread had no significant impact on the reasoning in other threads, and what did impact later rulings came before that thread. While the visual is cute, I wouldn't insist on the idea that the Dalek comic being the reason non-narrative fiction is invalid.)
    There are at least three significant gaps still unaccounted for that might simply never be filled because they don't have answers and it just sort of happened. The first being User:Freethinker1of1's reference to a discussion at Tardis talk:Canon policy that doesn't seem to exist, the second being User:Tangerineduel referencing the idea that the FASA guides were made invalid because there was a suspicion that non narrative fiction would have authors making things up in order to fill a page count, and the third being the actual synthesis of narrative primacy as opposed to it just being vaguely implied by T:CANON. Neither I nor Scrooge, from what I can tell, can find where these gaps might be filled. Which is, quite frankly, maddening.
    I can't comment on the other examples, but The Cosmology of the Spiral Politic is very clearly Type A. It refers to The City of the Saved as an existing place and the events of Warlords of Utopia as something that actually happened.
    I absolutely despise the support/oppose/neutral/comments format. I supported the thread being brought up for discussion in the temporary forums specifically to argue against it. I would suggest, if you want to do something like that, that you reformat them to be in the exact opposite order, because in a forum thread comments should be the most important part of the issue and should be something everyone reads before making up their mind. Najawin 22:26, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

    T:NO RW[[edit source]]

    You remember that there was an ongoing thread about the scope of T:NO RW when the forums closed, right? Part of it was about common sense inferences like these. (Specifically in how we write pages using verbs in the example I gave, but the policy implications would have been larger.) Current policy, as written, is pretty clearly against these statements. (Arguably they're T:BOUND to be at the start of pages through inaction, but not that many pages have them. I've found that they're largely on pages that User:Ebyabe created, or are artifacts from page rewrites that nobody bothered to remove.) Najawin 00:41, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

    User:Sum41Champ literally got banned not long ago for edit warring with these changes at Widow so I'm surprised to see him back and immediately doing it again, I'm even more surprised that Epsilon is also seemingly doing the same. DrWHOCorrieFan 00:58, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
    (Well, it wasn't the warring. It was repeated refusal to listen to admins and experienced users telling them to abide by T:NO RW as well as other policies. But, yes, Widow is the page in question that was the straw that broke the camel's back. Sum41Champ had been doing this on many other pages and has been blocked multiple times as a result.) Najawin 01:07, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
    That is by definition warring? Even if it is one-sided. DrWHOCorrieFan 01:09, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

    Wallbank[[edit source]]

    The image you keep reverting to is not of the preferred aspect ratio (widescreen) nor of the minimum aspect ratio ("Anything less than 4:3, but particularly anything with a height greater than the width, should be avoided. Please carefully crop your images to avoid "tall" pictures, or they may be summarily deleted."). Out of universe pages still have to ensure that the face is easily visible from the thumbnail alone, you have already indicated you are aware is the case. Jack "BtR" Saxon 11:33, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

    Unfortunately, T:BOUND. Jack "BtR" Saxon 13:26, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
    What point do you think I'm trying to prove? Jack "BtR" Saxon 14:07, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

    Block[[edit source]]

    Hi Epsilon. Firstly, my condolences about your grandfather. I understand that that's a really tough thing to be dealing with and can definetly cause someone to act irrationally at times. However, I do not feel that that excuses the T:NPA violations that you made today. Although I am aware of your circumstances here, calling someone blind without context as as an insult is in no way acceptable. This leaves with no choice but to block you for a month.

    T:NPA is not the only policy violation that leads me to this block, however. I also feel that you have violated T:IBOX WARS. Personal attacks are not the way to resolve a disagreement over images, or anything else for that matter. Similarly, you have clearly violated T:NO WARS. Edit wars really are good for absolutely nothing. Had you stepped away in the early stages of this conflict, this entire block could have been avoided. I urge you to do this in future.

    Then there's the image policies, T:GTI T:ICC and T:IBOX PICS. While you're correct that square images are technically allowed, crops similar to Jack's are, under current policy, far more preferred. Moreover, Jack's crop is far tighter which is also preferred. T:IBOX PICS also cleary applies to all infoboxes, not just in-universe ones, and again specifies the widescreen preference. If I'm being honest, I'm not the largest fan of all of these image policies but we are bound by current policy and cannot just go ignoring rules we don't like willy-nilly. Certainly, edit summaries are not the way to change policies. This is what the forums, including the current temporary forums, are for. Indeed, the proposed thread about image policies is currently second in terms of support and only awaiting an opening post. If you feel this strongly about this policy, it would have been far more constructive to draft an opening post. That would have had far more chance of causing a policy change. Finally, while Tardis does not currently have a specific policy for this, assuming good faith is relatively standard among most wikis and is frankly essential for their successful function. Claiming a T:POINT violation when all Jack was doing was following policy is a clear violation of good faith and is not something conductive to good editing.

    Again, my condolences about your grandfather and I hope you're able to use this time away from the wiki to destress a little.

    Finally, a little technical note: the reason that your link to rule of thirds didn't work is that wikipedia: is the interwiki prefix for Wikipedia. w: is for Fandom (previously Wikia) Community Central. Bongo50 19:53, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

    Hey. I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather. I've this week dropped out of my Master's course due to a sexual assault, so I don't think either of us need silly wiki drama at the moment. We do always seem to be on opposite sides of any discussion, but please accept my condolences. Jack "BtR" Saxon 12:26, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
    Following a message from Jack at User talk:Bongolium500#Epsilon, I have decided to shorten your block from 4 weeks to 3 weeks. This means there is now 1 week remaining. I hope you're doing ok. Bongo50 20:18, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

    Re: Temporary forums[[edit source]]

    Go right ahead. MrThermomanPreacher 17:50, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

    Torchwood House[[edit source]]

    Hi Epsilon. Sorry, I wasn't aware - as per your instruction I'll leave off making any further pages relating to the tie-in websites for the time being. Thanks for letting me know. 66 Seconds 23:52, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

    btw, when you have time[[edit source]]

    Your input would be appreciated at Tardis:Temporary forums/Slot 5: Validity: The Book of the Enemy's Biographies of Authors. Najawin 18:28, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

    Doctor of War editing[[edit source]]

    Hello Epsilon, hope you're well. I've been wondering for a long time how exactly to progress the discussion on Talk:Dust Devil (audio story) concerning this wiki's coverage of the Doctor of War stories, as it's now been over 6 months since anyone other than myself contributed to that discussion. As the editor who began this discussion all the way back when Doctor of War: Genesis released in April 2022, as well as (I think) the only admin who has been involved in that discussion, I thought I'd try reaching out to you to see if you could help me possibly resolve the discussion. I've also noticed over the last few months that despite the Cleanup tag on Dust Devil (audio story) requesting that info on Doctor of War characters/events/things not be added to the pages of their N-Space counterparts, such edits are now somewhat common across the wiki; in particular, the page Fourth Doctor (The Warrior's universe) was created despite the Cleanup tag explicitly using the Fourth Doctor as an example of the kinds of edits that should not be done until the discussion had been resolved. At this point, it's as if some editors have chosen to ignore the progress of the discussion entirely so that there can be at least some kind of coverage of the Doctor of War stories on the wiki, and admittedly, I can empathise with them here. I would really like to begin editing on pages relating to Doctor of War, but until the discussion on Talk:Dust Devil (audio story) has been resolved in some manner, I fear that doing so could lead to negative repercussions regarding my ability to edit on the wiki in the first place. As an admin, if you can think of any way to possibly resolve this, I would really appreciate it (I could maybe try the Temporary Forums, although I fear that would primarily involve repeating the entire discussion all over again). Thalek Prime Overseer 15:13, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

    Thanks for your reply. I'm sorry for any confusion; I initially thought you were an admin due to your rather unique signature compared to most other editors, but realised quite quickly afterwards that users with their names rendered in bold are likely admins, although I wasn't entirely sure enough to reply to my comment on your talk page. Thanks also for the link to Tardis:Administrators. I forgot that page existed so I'll be sure to check that whenever I want to talk to an admin. I also reached out to you specifically because you were the editor who began the discussion at Talk:Dust Devil (audio story) all those months ago, not just because I thought you were an admin. Regardless, thank you for your help, I'll message one of the admins about that talk page shortly (sometimes I worry that I pester @User:Scrooge MacDuck with how much I've messaged them in the past though). Thalek Prime Overseer 13:51, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

    Ninth Doctor - Have You Seen This Man?[[edit source]]

    Hello, there. Firstly, thank you for achieving what I failed at years ago; getting the Whoisdoctorwho.co.uk context on the Ninth Doctor's solo exploits validated. Now those unseen adventures are free for us editors to explore and add to his journey. Now, down to business, I was planning to update the Doctors pages in November (mostly the psychological profiles and introductions), and have been using my Sandbox pages to get the ground work done, though I'll obviously exclude the invalid information and headcanon edits from the main pages. As you'll see in my Ninth Doctor page, I haven't yet updated it with information from Have You Seen This Man?, because I wanted to edit it into my sandbox in bulk. This is why I'm contacting you. I wanted to know if you had completed your coverage of Have You Seen This Man?, and, if not, how far you were in completing it, as I was hoping to update my Ninth Doctor sandbox in July so I can make my self-made November deadline.

    Thank you for your time, and I look forward to hearing back from you. Sincerely, BananaClownMan 09:09, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

    Reverted Edit[[edit source]]

    Why, how, and what do you mean? CaptainKaibyo 19:57, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

    Tie-in websites[[edit source]]

    Hi there, I've been looking at User:Epsilon the Eternal/Alternate reality games/Tie-in websites, and it's really good. Have you noticed Into the Unknown (series) which seems to fall under the general umbrella of what you're doing on there? :) Aquanafrahudy 📢 16:44, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

    Oh, also the Vince Cosmos tie-in website, which sounds right up your street (although as it's not a Doctor Who tie-in website, it might be a little outside the remit of the page). Aquanafrahudy 📢 12:39, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

    TLDR[[edit source]]

    Hey, congrats on the fandom star thing. Just saw that. If you read the intro and the conclusion you'll get the rough outline of the post. The actual arguments and evidence are within the full text, so I'd suggest maybe reading intro+conclusion then the whole thing, or if you're particularly interested in specific bits go searching for them in the relevant sections. Cheers. Najawin 18:53, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

    Roland Rat[[edit source]]

    Hi Epsilon, mind if I contribute over at User:Epsilon the Eternal/Sandbox Four? I've been watching the Roland Rat crossover, and I would like to expand it a little. Many thanks, Aquanafrahudy 📢 17:32, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

    I think I've added just about all I can to it, would you mind if I started a talk page discussion about it? Or do you think it would require a forum thread? Much thanks, Aquanafrahudy 📢 16:23, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
    Okay. Do you mind if I start the thread or do you want to?- Aquanafrahudy 📢 16:44, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
    Great! Thanks! Aquanafrahudy 📢 17:00, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

    Moving pages[[edit source]]

    I saw in your edit notes on Laundrette (The Edge of Time) that non-admin can move pages. I had no idea this was a thing so just wanted to double check on whether I can do this. Thanks! StevieGLiverpool 13:11, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

    I dunno about you, but that thread left me feeling a little disoriented.[[edit source]]

    In other news, I'd appreciate your comments at Forum:10 Years on, Amnesty Once More whenever you have the time. Question 4.1 might be of interest to you (and I suspect Scrooge and Nate as well, though I'm guessing on Scrooge). Najawin 20:28, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

    No worries, completely get that. If you didn't get in on the ground floor it's one that's hard to keep up with. Najawin 17:25, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

    Re: T:NPA[[edit source]]

    I just saw your attempted apology at User talk:DrWHOCorrieFan pursuant to Talk:Fifteenth Doctor. While the speed is appreciated, the wording strikes me as somewhat insufficient. In the first place, you primarily stand accused of failing to assume good faith, not a personal attack. Furthermore your wording was objectively out of line; it's not enough for you to say that you didn't intend it that way but are sorry if DrWHOCorrieFan interpreted it negatively. You simply should not have written it, and I need to know that you understand that, and will do better in the future. Scrooge MacDuck 23:51, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

    Re: The Doctor's sonic screwdriver[[edit source]]

    Yes, you have permission to use any of my sandboxes to aid in creating your OP to split this page, and you're not stepping on my toes by doing so. Happy OP-crafting!Cousin Ettolrahc 20:27, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

    Re: Bot run[[edit source]]

    Absolutely. I'm on it now. Bongo50 18:59, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

    The Encyclopedia[[edit source]]

    I don't think there is a need for one. MrThermomanPreacher 11:08, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

    RE: Poetry[[edit source]]

    Yes, I had thought that too, but I looked at other poems on the wiki and presumably they hadn't been changed yet. Thanks :) Aquanafrahudy 📢 18:46, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

    Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes question[[edit source]]

    Why, hello.

    I wanted to ask if you could help me with something. I've been trying to find the new policy that dictates that continuity sections are now to be written with an out of universe perspective going forward, mainly because I plan to challenge it on the grounds that the continuity section references in-universe events, but I can't find anything specific within Forum:Non-valid Continuity sections, categories, and prefixes. Since you are the main advocate for the policy, I was hoping you could give me the abridged version of this forum, focusing on the parts relevant to how continuity sections are addressed, to help me understand and maybe come around to this new line of thinking.

    Thank you for your time, Sincerely, BananaClownMan 09:58, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

    Thank you. BananaClownMan 13:02, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

    Rose Noble[[edit source]]

    I'd like to apologise for thoughtlessly adding Rose's deadname to the lead in her article. I just want you to know that I'm not a horrible person and I do support trans people. Good job removing my stupidity from the article. Xbsv 22:21, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

    Recent edits[[edit source]]

    Looking into some of your recent edits specifically relating to the use of edit summaries, please use the edit summaries for edit summaries, not to engage in discussions regarding the edits, and / or the preceding editors' edits. Put that on the page's talk page or create a forum topic if it's got a wider wiki-concern.

    I know in the past we've had a more relaxed attitude to edit summaries, but they should be there to explain what has been changed. Not to engage in discussion/commentary of the changes. Put yourself in the position of an editor wading through edit summaries trying to work out what's been changed, it should be informative to the changes.

    Don't try to engage in an edit war with the edit summaries, there's better places to engage in discussion regarding these matters, if it's a matter of a more recent article engage an admin and the page can be locked to prevent editing until the vexing issue is resolved.

    And if there's something with some ambiguity where an edit war may arise, then support your position with an talk page, forum discussion or policy that backs up that edit change. --Tangerineduel / talk 01:33, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

    Star Beast crew section[[edit source]]

    Hi Epsilon, I saw you marked the The Star Beast (TV story)#Crew as needing cleanup – what specifically was the issue you're having with it? I know there are a lot of crew members listed in the code that don't appear in the table yet, but that's because we're waiting on about two hundred new crew positions to be coded into the template, which takes a while (see Template talk:Wales crew). Starkidsoph 06:42, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

    Oh, OK, I'll do that – I wasn't because it takes up a lot more space, but I can certainly see it's clearer. Starkidsoph 23:30, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

    UNIT HQ[[edit source]]

    Hi. Didn't realise you had plans in place. No worries. I'm happy with UNIT HQ, City of London and UNIT HQ, Leadenhall Street. Anything beyond that does seem a little too long, so Leadenhall Street is fine by me as long as it has a conjecture tag. 66 Seconds 11:22, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

    Re:TCoRR[[edit source]]

    Of course. Takes a bit to do properly, but it's not that hard. Najawin 03:21, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

    You open a discussion about it[[edit source]]

    Hello.

    I wanted to reply to your comment here about why I don't start discussions, as there are a few reasons, and one of them isn't all that pretty. The first, and most mundane reason, is that I don't actually know how to start threads. I've only ever found out how to reply to them. The second reason is that I have a communicational disability; I only just manage to find the words in the edit description briefs, and the occasional talk page entries when properly motivated, and can be overwhelmed easily when partaking in discussions, with the thought of starting one being pretty panic inducing. The last reason, and the one that I still find triggering, is that, last year, I was bombarded with messages from a user who eventually left messages of self-harm on my talk page, which was also unsigned and left well meaning users posting self-help support to me in the misunderstanding that I wrote the messages. Having struggled with self-harming thoughts in the past, I got really badly triggered by the whole ordeal, and it put me off using talk pages. I'm only now starting to use them again, but the fear of someone replying with such content is still there.

    Since you were oblivious to these issues, I'll let it slide for now with just an apology for telling me to start a discussion to defend the status quo (upon proof-reading, I might need to reword this better), and ask if you could start one to begin seeing if multiple actors for ages if worth having in the infobox, as it will affect more than Ruby Sunday. Off the top of my head, a decision like that will also apply to Jack Harkness, his brother, Amy Pond, Rory Williams, Mels Zucker, the First Doctor, Sarah Jane Smith, Andrea Yates, Rose Tyler, Nyssa, Tegan Jovanka, Clara Oswin Oswald, Clara Oswald and probably a whole bunch of other characters featured in flashbacks that slip my mind at present.

    Thank you for your time, Sincerely, BananaClownMan 12:12, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

    Meta-Crisis Doctor and the Day to Come[[edit source]]

    Hello, I wanted to respond to your question regarding the Meta-Crisis Doctor's "Day to come" section. The information you removed was added due to the sources making note to the Doctor's regenerations. Since the Meta-Crisis Doctor was confirmed to count in the twelve limit in The Time of the Doctor, I included him when I was making note about the times the previous Doctor's upcoming regenerations were brought up, like when Mawdryn wanted the Fifth Doctor's remaining seven regenerations or the Valeyard's goal of getting the Sixth Doctor's remaining six. But, as I've mentioned before, I've been second guessing my old edits regarding the "Day to come" section, and plan to really think it over once I'm done with the Fourteenth Doctor retrospective I'm cureently doing in my mandatory week off work post-Christmas.

    I hope you found this answer satisfactory, Sincerely, BananaClownMan 06:12, 11 January 2024 (UTC)