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* [[Jennifer Alistoun]] ([[Ellen Ripley]])
* [[Jennifer Alistoun]] ([[Ellen Ripley]])


== Valid references to invalid stories ==
== Valid references to less-than-valid stories ==
=== "[[The Pilot Episode]]" ===
These would be easier to explain in pages using [[User:NateBumber/Sandbox/1#Other validities|my subpage proposal]] and {{tlx|NCmaterial}}.
* ''[[Unnatural History (novel)|Unnatural History]]'', ''[[Escape Velocity (novel)|Escape Velocity]]'', and ''[[Deadline (audio story)|Deadline]]'' mention the Doctor's possible origin in the [[49th century]]


=== ''[[Dr. Who and the Daleks (theatrical film)|Dr. Who and the Daleks]]'' ===
=== Invalid stories ===
Too many to name, including
{| {{prettytable}}
* Iris mentions or revisits the Cushing version of the adventure, specifically, in ''[[Bafflement and Devotion (short story)|Bafflement and Devotion]]'' and ''[[From Wildthyme with Love (novel)|From Wildthyme with Love]]''
|-
! width="20%"| Invalid story
! Reference
|-
|"[[The Pilot Episode]]"
|''[[Unnatural History (novel)|Unnatural History]]'', ''[[Escape Velocity (novel)|Escape Velocity]]'', and ''[[Deadline (audio story)|Deadline]]'' mention the Doctor's possible origin in the [[49th century]]
|-
|''[[Dr. Who and the Daleks (theatrical film)|Dr. Who and the Daleks]]''
|Too many to name, including Iris mentioning or revisiting the Cushing version of the adventure, specifically, in ''[[Bafflement and Devotion (short story)|Bafflement and Devotion]]'' and ''[[From Wildthyme with Love (novel)|From Wildthyme with Love]]''
|-
|''[[A Fix with Sontarans (TV story)|A Fix with Sontarans]]''
|''[[Fixing a Hole (short story)|Fixing a Hole]]'' is a sequel
|-
|rowspan=2|''[[Search Out Space]]''
|''[[The Blue Angel (novel)|The Blue Angel]]'' references [[Cedric (Search Out Space)|Cedric]] as [[the Doctor (The Blue Angel)|the Doctor]]'s [[companion (The Blue Angel)|companion]]
|-
|''[[Storm in a Tikka (short story)|Storm in a Tikka]]'' is a prequel
|-
|rowspan=2|''[[Dimensions in Time (TV story)|Dimensions in Time]]''
|''[[First Frontier (novel)|First Frontier]]'' mentions it as a "nightmare"
|-
|''[[Storm in a Tikka (short story)|Storm in a Tikka]]'' is a sequel
|-
|''[[The Skivers (audio skit)|The Skivers]]'' (1995)
|''[[The Gallifrey Chronicles (novel)|The Gallifrey Chronicles]]'' mentions [[Jemima-Katy]] as one of the Doctor's [[companion]]s
|-
|rowspan=6|''[[Death Comes to Time (webcast)|Death Comes to Time]]''
|''[[Relative Dementias (novel)|Relative Dementias]]'' and ''[[The Tomorrow Windows (novel)|The Tomorrow Windows]]'' mention [[Anima Persis]]
|-
|''[[Trading Futures (novel)|Trading Futures]]'' references the [[Canisian]] invasion
|-
|''[[The Gallifrey Chronicles (novel)|The Gallifrey Chronicles]]'' mentions [[Tannis]] and features [[Man with a bent nose (The Tomorrow Windows)|the Minister of Chance]]
|-
|''[[The Three Paths (short story)|The Three Paths]]'' mentions [[Mount Plutarch]]
|-
|''[[Celestial Intervention (audio story)|Celestial Intervention]]'' references the [[Lune Forest]]
|-
|''[[The Choice (novelisation)|The Choice]]'' has [[The Professor (Republica)|the Dominie]] contrast the present version of his timeline, where he travels with [[Ace (Republica)|Ace]], to one where he travels with "archaeologists and androids"; clearly this is the "prime" [[Seventh Doctor]]'s universe with the "archaeologist" being [[Bernice Summerfield]]… and the "android" being [[Antimony (Death Comes to Time)|Antimony]]!
|-
|rowspan=3|''[[Scream of the Shalka (webcast)|Scream of the Shalka]]''
|''[[Childhood Living (short story)|Childhood Living]]'' features the [[Slarvian]]s from ''[[The Feast of the Stone (short story)|The Feast of the Stone]]''
|-
|''[[Whatever Happened to Iris Wildthyme? (audio story)|Whatever Happened to Iris Wildthyme?]]'' repeats the [[Ninth Doctor (Scream of the Shalka)|Shalka Doctor]]'s joke about the [[Slarvian]]s
|-
|''[[A Brief History of Time Lords (novel)|A Brief History of Time Lords]]'' references [[The Master (Scream of the Shalka)|the android Master]]
|-
|[[whoisdoctorwho.co.uk]]
|''[[The Christmas Invasion (TV story)|The Christmas Invasion]]'' mentions the Doctor's meeting with [[Arthur Dent]], which was first reported on the website
|-
|rowspan=4|''[[Attack of the Graske (video game)|Attack of the Graske]]''
|''[[Opera of Doom! (comic story)|Opera of Doom!]]'' references the [[ABBA]] [[concert]]
|-
|''[[Monster File: Christmas (webcast)|Monster File: Christmas]]'' references the [[changeling]]s
|-
|''[[Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane? (TV story)|Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane?]]'' references "the Graske activity on Earth a few years ago"
|-
|''[[Journey's End (TV story)|Journey's End]]'' and ''[[SJAF 1]]'' reference [[Griffoth]]
|-
|''[[The Twelfth Doctor Interactive Story]]''
|''[[Big Bang Generation (novel)|Big Bang Generation]]'' mentions [[Time Squid]]s and [[Crinis]]
|-
|''[[Time Fracture (stage play)|Time Fracture]]''
|''[[Time Fracture Show Companion]]'', ''[[UNIT Field Log]]'', ''[[This is Sergeant Robert Dudley. (webcast)|This is Sergeant Robert Dudley.]]'', et al.
|}


=== ''[[A Fix with Sontarans (TV story)|A Fix with Sontarans]]'' ===
=== Not covered stories ===
* ''[[Fixing a Hole (short story)|Fixing a Hole]]'' is a sequel
Here I'm considering specifically ''licensed'' crossovers, not unofficial crossovers like the various appearances of [[Sherlock Holmes]].
 
{| {{prettytable}}
=== ''[[Search Out Space]]'' ===
|-
* ''[[The Blue Angel (novel)|The Blue Angel]]'' references [[Cedric (Search Out Space)|Cedric]] as [[the Doctor (The Blue Angel)|the Doctor]]'s [[companion (The Blue Angel)|companion]]
! width="20%"| Concept
* ''[[Storm in a Tikka (short story)|Storm in a Tikka]]'' is a prequel
! Relevant NC appearances
 
|-
=== ''[[Dimensions in Time (TV story)|Dimensions in Time]]'' ===
|[[Kemble]]
* ''[[First Frontier (novel)|First Frontier]]'' mentions it as a "nightmare"
|''[[Fireball XL5 (series)|Fireball XL5]]'' episode ''[[w:c:gerryanderson:Space Vacation|Space Vacation]]''
* ''[[Storm in a Tikka (short story)|Storm in a Tikka]]'' is a sequel
|-
 
|[[Gwanzulum]]
=== ''[[The Skivers (audio skit)|The Skivers]]'' (1995) ===
|Other [[Marvel UK]] comics at the time, including ''Combat Colin'', ''Thundercats'', and ''The Real Ghostbusters''
* ''[[The Gallifrey Chronicles (novel)|The Gallifrey Chronicles]]'' mentions [[Jemima-Katy]] as one of the Doctor's [[companion]]s
|-
 
|[[Richard Mace]]
=== ''[[Death Comes to Time (webcast)|Death Comes to Time]]'' ===
|[[Eric Saward]]'s radio plays ''The Assassin'' (1974), ''Pegasus'' (1975), and ''The Nemesis Machine'' (1976)
* ''[[Relative Dementias (novel)|Relative Dementias]]'' and ''[[The Tomorrow Windows (novel)|The Tomorrow Windows]]'' mention [[Anima Persis]]
|-
* ''[[Trading Futures (novel)|Trading Futures]]'' references the [[Canisian]] invasion
|[[Chronotis]]
* ''[[The Gallifrey Chronicles (novel)|The Gallifrey Chronicles]]'' mentions [[Tannis]] and features [[Man with a bent nose (The Tomorrow Windows)|the Minister of Chance]]
|''Dirk Gently''; see also {{tlx|Hitchhikers}}
* ''[[The Three Paths (short story)|The Three Paths]]'' mentions [[Mount Plutarch]]
|-
* ''[[Celestial Intervention (audio story)|Celestial Intervention]]'' references the [[Lune Forest]]
|[[Marcie Hatter]]
* ''[[The Choice (novelisation)|The Choice]]'' has [[The Professor (Republica)|the Dominie]] contrast the present version of his timeline, where he travels with [[Ace (Republica)|Ace]], to one where he travels with "archaeologists and androids"; clearly this is the "prime" [[Seventh Doctor]]'s universe with the "archaeologist" being [[Bernice Summerfield]]… and the "android" being [[Antimony (Death Comes to Time)|Antimony]]!
|[[Russell T Davies]]' {{wi|Dark Season}}
 
|-
=== ''[[Scream of the Shalka (webcast)|Scream of the Shalka]]'' ===
|[[Carnell]]
* ''[[Childhood Living (short story)|Childhood Living]]'' features the [[Slarvian]]s from ''[[The Feast of the Stone (short story)|The Feast of the Stone]]''
|''[[Blake's 7 (series)|Blake's 7]]'' episode ''[[w:c:Blakes7:Weapon (episode)|Weapon]]''
* ''[[Whatever Happened to Iris Wildthyme? (audio story)|Whatever Happened to Iris Wildthyme?]]'' repeats the [[Ninth Doctor (Scream of the Shalka)|Shalka Doctor]]'s joke about the [[Slarvian]]s
|-
* ''[[A Brief History of Time Lords (novel)|A Brief History of Time Lords]]'' references [[The Master (Scream of the Shalka)|the android Master]]
|[[Johnny Chess]]
 
|''Chain Male'' from ''[[Charity publication#Perfect Timing|Perfect Timing]]'' and ''Disturbance at the Heron House'' from ''[[Charity publication#Missing Pieces|Missing Pieces]]''
=== [[whoisdoctorwho.co.uk]] ===
|-
* ''[[The Christmas Invasion (TV story)|The Christmas Invasion]]'' mentions the Doctor's meeting with [[Arthur Dent]], which was first reported on the website
|[[Miranda Dawkins]] and [[Last Contact]]
 
|[[Lance Parkin]] charity short stories: ''Fishy Business'', ''Iris Explains'', ''The School of Doom''
=== ''[[Attack of the Graske (video game)|Attack of the Graske]]'' ===
|-
* ''[[Opera of Doom! (comic story)|Opera of Doom!]]'' references the [[ABBA]] [[concert]]
|[[Patience's husband]]<br />[[Rassilon]]'s purge of the [[Loom]]-born
* ''[[Monster File: Christmas (webcast)|Monster File: Christmas]]'' references the [[changeling]]s
|''Executive Action'' in ''[[Charity publication#Walking in Eternity|Walking in Eternity]]'', ''Past Lives'' in ''[[Charity publication#Forgotten Lives|Forgotten Lives]]''
* ''[[Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane? (TV story)|Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane?]]'' references "the Graske activity on Earth a few years ago"
|-
* ''[[Journey's End (TV story)|Journey's End]]'' and ''[[SJAF 1]]'' reference [[Griffoth]]
|[[Carmen Yeh]]
 
|''Schrodinger's Botanist'' from ''[[Charity publication#Perfect Timing|Perfect Timing]]''
=== ''[[The Twelfth Doctor Interactive Story]]'' ===
|-
* ''[[Big Bang Generation (novel)|Big Bang Generation]]'' mentions [[Time Squid]]s and [[Crinis]]
|[[Phoenix Court]] characters
 
|The ''[[Phoenix Court (series)|Phoenix Court]]'' series
=== ''[[Time Fracture (stage play)|Time Fracture]]'' ===
|-
* ''[[Time Fracture Show Companion]]'', ''[[UNIT Field Log]]'', ''[[This is Sergeant Robert Dudley. (webcast)|This is Sergeant Robert Dudley.]]'', et al.
|[[Iris Wildthyme]]
|''[[Charity publication#Bafflement and Devotion|Bafflement and Devotion: Iris at the Edges]]''
|-
|[[Brenda]] and [[Effie Jacobs]]
|''[[The Brenda and Effie Mysteries (series)|The Brenda and Effie Mysteries]]''
|-
|[[Drunk man (Now or Thereabouts)|Drunk man]] et al.
|[https://haribeaux.tumblr.com/post/173834772418/with-all-awry ''With All Awry''] from ''Mythmakers Presents: Golden Years 1963-2013''
|-
|[[Spiderweiss]]
|''Man of Smoke and Dust'' from ''[[Charity publication#Walking in Eternity|Walking in Eternity]]''
|-
|[[Raithaduine]]
|[[Rachel Redhead]]'s ''Refugees of the Raithaduine'' and ''Orphans of the Raithaduine''
|-
|[[Señor 105]]
|''[[Señor 105 & the Elements of Danger (anthology)|Señor 105 & the Elements of Danger]]'' et al.
|-
|[[Theo Possible]]
|[https://battlefieldbythemeadow.blogspot.com/2014/12/grumpy-auld-men.html ''Significant Others''] and ''Grumpy Auld Men'' from ''[[Charity publication#A Target for Tommy|A Target for Tommy]]''
|-
|[[Butterfly room]]
|''The Caterpillar Room'' in ''[[Charity publication#A Second Target for Tommy|A Second Target for Tommy]]''
|-
|[[Sandra Mitchell]]
|[[Russell T Davies]]' {{wi|Children's Ward}}
|-
|[[Vivaldi inheritance]]
|[[Russell T Davies]]' {{wi|Mine All Mine}}; see also the early appearance in that series of [[Ianto Jones|"Yanto" Jones]]
|-
|[[Vienna Salvatori]]
|[[Big Finish]]'s ''[[Vienna (series)|Vienna]]''
|-
|[[Cicero]]
|[[Big Finish]]'s ''Cicero''
|-
|[[Dorian Gray]]
|[[Big Finish]]'s ''[[The Confessions of Dorian Gray]]''
|-
|[[Kerides]]
|The ''Kerides the Thinker'' series
|-
|[[Cinder]]
|''The Moments In Between'' in ''[[Charity publication#Seasons of War|Seasons of War]]''
|-
|[[Erimem]]
|''Splinter of Eternity'' in ''[[Charity publication#Master Pieces|Master Pieces]]''
|}


== Realities ==
== Realities ==

Revision as of 16:02, 1 November 2022

Novelisation character names

This is a list of pages that could be renamed under the policy change I suggested in Thread:231243. By no means is it complete!

The above grouping only includes characters whose names are currently not unique on the wiki. Characters whose names were already unique are listed below; the issue of whether the longer titles should be used regardless as "[[Tardis:Characters with one name#future proofing|]]" is probably best decided case-by-case, as described in the policy about when not to disambiguate.

It's worth noting that there are already a ton of pages which use names from novelisations. An incomplete sample: Archie Sylvest; August Lilt; Cairn; Cass Fermazzi; Cedric (The King's Demons); Colin Redmayne; Derek Johnson; ECCO; Edith Randall; Fariah Neguib; Frank Harris; Fyodor Nikolai Kerensky; George Morris; Heidi Scarlioni; Jason Overton; Jebal; Joanna; Joshua Jobel; Justin Vogel; Lancelot Takis; Lee Lin; Mary Smith; Megara One; Megara Two; Odessa Smith; Owen Bywater; Owen Watson; Palmer; Ram Vermas; Robert Lines; Sakkib; Simon Metcalf; Smith; Sylvia Gribbins; Tasambeker Brown; Theodore Benik; Vincent Russell; Vorn; and Wilkins. Let them serve as not only demonstrations of the practicality of novelisation names being used more generally but also prompts for us to reconsider the current policy which forbids their existence!

Thinly-veiled characters

Doctors

Masters

Other DWU characters

Non-DWU characters

Gerry Anderson universe

Main article: Talk:The Indestructible Man (novel)#Parallels

Blake's 7

Alien

Valid references to less-than-valid stories

These would be easier to explain in pages using my subpage proposal and {{NCmaterial}}.

Invalid stories

Invalid story Reference
"The Pilot Episode" Unnatural History, Escape Velocity, and Deadline mention the Doctor's possible origin in the 49th century
Dr. Who and the Daleks Too many to name, including Iris mentioning or revisiting the Cushing version of the adventure, specifically, in Bafflement and Devotion and From Wildthyme with Love
A Fix with Sontarans Fixing a Hole is a sequel
Search Out Space The Blue Angel references Cedric as the Doctor's companion
Storm in a Tikka is a prequel
Dimensions in Time First Frontier mentions it as a "nightmare"
Storm in a Tikka is a sequel
The Skivers (1995) The Gallifrey Chronicles mentions Jemima-Katy as one of the Doctor's companions
Death Comes to Time Relative Dementias and The Tomorrow Windows mention Anima Persis
Trading Futures references the Canisian invasion
The Gallifrey Chronicles mentions Tannis and features the Minister of Chance
The Three Paths mentions Mount Plutarch
Celestial Intervention references the Lune Forest
The Choice has the Dominie contrast the present version of his timeline, where he travels with Ace, to one where he travels with "archaeologists and androids"; clearly this is the "prime" Seventh Doctor's universe with the "archaeologist" being Bernice Summerfield… and the "android" being Antimony!
Scream of the Shalka Childhood Living features the Slarvians from The Feast of the Stone
Whatever Happened to Iris Wildthyme? repeats the Shalka Doctor's joke about the Slarvians
A Brief History of Time Lords references the android Master
whoisdoctorwho.co.uk The Christmas Invasion mentions the Doctor's meeting with Arthur Dent, which was first reported on the website
Attack of the Graske Opera of Doom! references the ABBA concert
Monster File: Christmas references the changelings
Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane? references "the Graske activity on Earth a few years ago"
Journey's End and SJAF 1 reference Griffoth
The Twelfth Doctor Interactive Story Big Bang Generation mentions Time Squids and Crinis
Time Fracture Time Fracture Show Companion, UNIT Field Log, This is Sergeant Robert Dudley., et al.

Not covered stories

Here I'm considering specifically licensed crossovers, not unofficial crossovers like the various appearances of Sherlock Holmes.

Concept Relevant NC appearances
Kemble Fireball XL5 episode Space Vacation
Gwanzulum Other Marvel UK comics at the time, including Combat Colin, Thundercats, and The Real Ghostbusters
Richard Mace Eric Saward's radio plays The Assassin (1974), Pegasus (1975), and The Nemesis Machine (1976)
Chronotis Dirk Gently; see also {{Hitchhikers}}
Marcie Hatter Russell T Davies' Dark Season
Carnell Blake's 7 episode Weapon
Johnny Chess Chain Male from Perfect Timing and Disturbance at the Heron House from Missing Pieces
Miranda Dawkins and Last Contact Lance Parkin charity short stories: Fishy Business, Iris Explains, The School of Doom
Patience's husband
Rassilon's purge of the Loom-born 		Executive Action in Walking in Eternity, Past Lives in Forgotten Lives
Carmen Yeh Schrodinger's Botanist from Perfect Timing
Phoenix Court characters The Phoenix Court series
Iris Wildthyme Bafflement and Devotion: Iris at the Edges
Brenda and Effie Jacobs The Brenda and Effie Mysteries
Drunk man et al. With All Awry from Mythmakers Presents: Golden Years 1963-2013
Spiderweiss Man of Smoke and Dust from Walking in Eternity
Raithaduine Rachel Redhead's Refugees of the Raithaduine and Orphans of the Raithaduine
Señor 105 Señor 105 & the Elements of Danger et al.
Theo Possible Significant Others and Grumpy Auld Men from A Target for Tommy
Butterfly room The Caterpillar Room in A Second Target for Tommy
Sandra Mitchell Russell T Davies' Children's Ward
Vivaldi inheritance Russell T Davies' Mine All Mine; see also the early appearance in that series of "Yanto" Jones
Vienna Salvatori Big Finish's Vienna
Cicero Big Finish's Cicero
Dorian Gray Big Finish's The Confessions of Dorian Gray
Kerides The Kerides the Thinker series
Cinder The Moments In Between in Seasons of War
Erimem Splinter of Eternity in Master Pieces

Realities

When it comes to continuity, tone, and worldview, the Doctor Who universe's many spin-offs and sub-series have usually been more concerned with themselves than each other. For instance, within a series such as The Monthly Adventures, one can expect to find more references to previous audios and the Classic show than the Virgin Decalogs or Doctor Who annuals. As a result, each series presents a relatively self-contained chunk of the Doctor's reality. Sometimes these pieces have ebbed and flowed into each other through shared characters or references; other times, they have gone out of their way to paint each other as separate timelines or universes.

While acknowleding that most sources suggest these chunks all to be the same reality, covering them separately helps to highlight the ways in which they stand on their own. TheChampionOfTime and MrThermomanPreacher have paved the way for this with the creation of pages like Virgin reality and The Doctor's reality (An Unearthly Child). I've contributed to MrThermomanPreacher's collaborative chart of these "reality" pages, both created and relinked, along with the approximate stories and series they cover.

Main article: User:MrThermomanPreacher/Sandbox/Disputed realities

Footnotes

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