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* [[Jennifer Alistoun]] ([[Ellen Ripley]])
* [[Jennifer Alistoun]] ([[Ellen Ripley]])


== Valid references to less-than-valid stories ==
== Valid references to not valid stories ==
An index of topics on this wiki which would be easier to cover using [[User:NateBumber/Sandbox/1#Other validities|my subpage proposal]] and {{tlx|NCmaterial}}. Please feel free to add to this list!
An index of topics on this wiki which would be easier to cover using [[User:NateBumber/Sandbox/1#Other validities|my subpage proposal]] and {{tlx|NCmaterial}}. Please feel free to add to this list!


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|''[[Storm in a Tikka (short story)|Storm in a Tikka]]'' is a sequel
|''[[Storm in a Tikka (short story)|Storm in a Tikka]]'' is a sequel
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|''[[The Skivers (audio skit)|The Skivers]]'' (1995)
|''[[The Skivers (audio skit)|The Skivers]]''
|''[[The Gallifrey Chronicles (novel)|The Gallifrey Chronicles]]'' mentions [[Jemima-Katy]] as one of the Doctor's [[companion]]s
|''[[The Gallifrey Chronicles (novel)|The Gallifrey Chronicles]]'' mentions [[Jemima-Katy]] as one of the Doctor's [[companion]]s
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! Relevant NC appearances
! Relevant NC appearances
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|[[Kemble]]
|[[Kemble]]<!-- 1966 -->
|''[[Fireball XL5 (series)|Fireball XL5]]'' episode ''[[w:c:gerryanderson:Space Vacation|Space Vacation]]''
|''[[Fireball XL5 (series)|Fireball XL5]]'' episode ''[[w:c:gerryanderson:Space Vacation|Space Vacation]]''
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|[[Gwanzulum]]
|[[Special Executive]]
|Other [[Marvel UK]] comics at the time, including ''Combat Colin'', ''Thundercats'', and ''The Real Ghostbusters''
|Captain Britain (''The Daredevils'', ''Captain Britain Monthly'', ''Excalibur'')
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|[[Keepsake's vulture]]
|{{tlx|Hitchhikers}}
|''The Body in Question'' (1990), ''Revolutionary War'' (2014), and ''Death's Head'' (2019)
|''[[The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (series)|The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy]]''
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|[[Special Executive]]
|[[Chronotis]]
|Captain Britain (''The Daredevils'', ''Captain Britain Monthly'', ''Excalibur'')
|''Dirk Gently''
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|-
|[[Richard Mace]]
|[[Richard Mace]]
|[[Eric Saward]]'s radio plays ''The Assassin'' (1974), ''Pegasus'' (1975), and ''The Nemesis Machine'' (1976)
|[[Eric Saward]]'s radio plays ''The Assassin'' (1974), ''Pegasus'' (1975), and ''The Nemesis Machine'' (1976)
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|-
|[[Chronotis]], [[Krikkitmen]], etc
|[[Gwanzulum]]<!-- 1988 -->
|{{tlx|Hitchhikers}} and ''Dirk Gently''
|Other [[Marvel UK]] comics at the time, including ''Combat Colin'', ''Thundercats'', and ''The Real Ghostbusters''
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|[[Fred]]
|[[Keepsake's vulture]]
|''[[Audio Visuals]]'' and ''[[Audio Adventures in Time & Space|The Wanderer]]'': see also {{tlx|Audio Visuals}}
|''The Body in Question'' (1990), ''Revolutionary War'' (2014), and ''Death's Head'' (2019)
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|[[Marcie Hatter]]
|[[Fred]], {{tlx|Audio Visuals}}
|[[Russell T Davies]]' {{wi|Dark Season}}
|''[[Audio Visuals]]'' and ''[[Audio Adventures in Time & Space|The Wanderer]]''
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|[[Cyberon]]s, [[Lauren Anderson]]
|The ''[[Cyberon (series)|Cyberon]]'' series: ''Cyber-Hunt'', ''Cybergeddon'', ''Cyberon'', ''The Planet That Armageddon Forgot''
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|[[Carnell]]
|[[Carnell]]
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|[[Johnny Chess]]
|[[Johnny Chess]]
|''Chain Male'' from ''[[Charity publication#Perfect Timing|Perfect Timing]]'' and ''Disturbance at the Heron House'' from ''[[Charity publication#Missing Pieces|Missing Pieces]]''
|''Chain Male'' from ''[[Charity publication#Perfect Timing|Perfect Timing]]'' and ''Disturbance at the Heron House'' from ''[[Charity publication#Missing Pieces|Missing Pieces]]''
|-
|[[Zargath]]ons
|''The Zargathon Menace'' in ''[[Charity publication#Perfect Timing|Perfect Timing]]''
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|-
|[[Adrienne Kramer]]
|[[Adrienne Kramer]]
|''Time Rift'' fan film
|''Time Rift'' fan film
|-
|-
|[[Miranda Dawkins]] and [[Last Contact]]
|[[Miranda Dawkins]], [[Last Contact]]
|[[Lance Parkin]] charity short stories: ''Fishy Business'', ''Iris Explains'', ''The School of Doom''
|[[Lance Parkin]] charity short stories: ''Fishy Business'', ''Iris Explains'', ''The School of Doom''
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|''Executive Action'' in ''[[Charity publication#Walking in Eternity|Walking in Eternity]]'', ''Past Lives'' in ''[[Charity publication#Forgotten Lives|Forgotten Lives]]''
|''Executive Action'' in ''[[Charity publication#Walking in Eternity|Walking in Eternity]]'', ''Past Lives'' in ''[[Charity publication#Forgotten Lives|Forgotten Lives]]''
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|-
|[[Carmen Yeh]]
|[[Iphegenia]]
|''Schrodinger's Botanist'' from ''[[Charity publication#Perfect Timing|Perfect Timing]]''
|''Analysis'' in ''[[Charity publication#Walking in Eternity|Walking in Eternity]]'', et al.
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|[[Sebastian Grayle]]
|''Seasons of Fear'' novelisation in ''[[Charity publication#LifeDeath|LifeDeath]]''
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|[[Grant Markham]], [[Carmen Yeh]]
|''Wish Upon a Star Beast'' and ''Schrodinger's Botanist'' from ''[[Charity publication#Perfect Timing|Perfect Timing]]''
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|[[Phoenix Court]] characters
|[[Phoenix Court]] characters
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|[[Iris Wildthyme]]
|[[Iris Wildthyme]]
|''[[Charity publication#Bafflement and Devotion|Bafflement and Devotion: Iris at the Edges]]''
|''[[Charity publication#Bafflement and Devotion|Bafflement and Devotion: Iris at the Edges]]'', ''The Runaway Hi-Fi'' in ''[[Charity publication#A Second Target for Tommy|A Second Target for Tommy]]'', et al.
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|[[Brenda]] and [[Effie Jacobs]]
|[[Brenda]] and [[Effie Jacobs]]
|''[[The Brenda and Effie Mysteries (series)|The Brenda and Effie Mysteries]]''
|''[[The Brenda and Effie Mysteries (series)|The Brenda and Effie Mysteries]]''
|-
|[[The Cold (Time and Relative)|The Cold]]
|''Cold Snap'' in [[Kim Newman]]'s {{wi|Diogenes Club series}}
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|[[Marcie Hatter]]
|[[Russell T Davies]]' {{wi|Dark Season}}
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|[[Sandra Mitchell]]
|[[Russell T Davies]]' {{wi|Children's Ward}}
|-
|[[Vivaldi inheritance]]
|[[Russell T Davies]]' {{wi|Mine All Mine}}; see also the early appearance in that series of [[Ianto Jones|"Yanto" Jones]]
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|[[Drunk man (Now or Thereabouts)|Drunk man]] et al.
|[[Drunk man (Now or Thereabouts)|Drunk man]] et al.
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|[[Raithaduine]]
|[[Raithaduine]]
|[[Rachel Redhead]]'s ''Refugees of the Raithaduine'' and ''Orphans of the Raithaduine''
|[[Rachel Redhead]]'s ''Refugees of the Raithaduine'' and ''Orphans of the Raithaduine''
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|[[Venusian (Venusian Lullaby)|Venusian]]s
|''Venusian Sunset'' in ''[[Charity publication#Perfect Timing|Perfect Timing]]'', ''Blue Venus'' in ''[[Charity publication#Tales of the Solar System|Tales of the Solar System]]'', ''[[By the Time I Get to Venus (novel)|By the Time I Get to Venus]]''
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|[[Señor 105]]
|[[Señor 105]]
|''[[Señor 105 & the Elements of Danger (anthology)|Señor 105 & the Elements of Danger]]'' et al.
|''[[Señor 105 & the Elements of Danger (anthology)|Señor 105 & the Elements of Danger]]'', ''The Time Wrestlers'' in ''[[Charity publication#A Target for Tommy|A Target for Tommy]]'', et al.
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|[[Manleigh Halt Irregulars]]
|[[Manleigh Halt Irregulars]]
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|[[Butterfly room]]
|[[Butterfly room]]
|''The Caterpillar Room'' in ''[[Charity publication#A Second Target for Tommy|A Second Target for Tommy]]''
|''The Caterpillar Room'' in ''[[Charity publication#A Second Target for Tommy|A Second Target for Tommy]]''
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|[[The Cold (Time and Relative)|The Cold]]
|''Cold Snap'' in [[Kim Newman]]'s {{wi|Diogenes Club series}}
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|[[Archibald Angelchrist]]
|[[Archibald Angelchrist]]
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|[[Paul Magrs]]' ''[https://obversebooks.co.uk/product/the-ninnies-paul-magrs/ The Ninnies]''
|[[Paul Magrs]]' ''[https://obversebooks.co.uk/product/the-ninnies-paul-magrs/ The Ninnies]''
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|[[Judy Collins]] and [[Enigma Tree]]
|[[Judy Collins]], [[Enigma Tree]]
|''The Enigma Variations'', ''The Inferior Comedy'', ''The Wander Years'', ''Time's Enema''
|''The Enigma Variations'', ''The Inferior Comedy'', ''The Wander Years'', ''Time's Enema'', ''Breaking the Fourth'' in ''[[Charity publication#Nine Lives|Nine Lives]]''
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|[[Sandra Mitchell]]
|[[Russell T Davies]]' {{wi|Children's Ward}}
|-
|[[Vivaldi inheritance]]
|[[Russell T Davies]]' {{wi|Mine All Mine}}; see also the early appearance in that series of [[Ianto Jones|"Yanto" Jones]]
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|[[Archon (The Nameless City)|Archon]]s
|[[Archon (The Nameless City)|Archon]]s
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|[[Sigmund Freud]] from ''[[Return of the Repressed (audio story)|Return of the Repressed]]''
|[[Sigmund Freud]] from ''[[Return of the Repressed (audio story)|Return of the Repressed]]''
|[[Big Finish]]'s ''[https://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/the-sigmund-freud-files The Sigmund Freud Files]'' (they totally implied this in an ad once)
|[[Big Finish]]'s ''[https://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/the-sigmund-freud-files The Sigmund Freud Files]'' (they totally implied this in an ad once or something!)
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|[[Kerides]]
|[[Kerides]]
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|"[[Time Lord|Chronosmiths]]"
|"[[Time Lord|Chronosmiths]]"
|''The Chronosmith Chronicles'', per the "Chronosmith" alias established in ''Seasons of War''
|''The Chronosmith Chronicles'', per the "Chronosmith" alias established in ''Seasons of War''? Bit of an edge case
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|[[Rachel Edwards]], [[Auteur]], et al.
|''[[10,000 Dawns]]''
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|[[Erimem]]
|[[Erimem]]
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|[[The Brigadier]]
|[[The Brigadier]]
|''When Times Change…''
|''When Times Change…''
|-
|[[Cyberon]]s
|The ''[[Cyberon (series)|Cyberon]]'' series: ''Cyber-Hunt'', ''Cybergeddon'', ''Cyberon'', ''The Planet That Armageddon Forgot''
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Revision as of 13:43, 2 November 2022

Novelisation character names

This is a list of pages that could be renamed under the policy change I suggested in Thread:231243. By no means is it complete!

The above grouping only includes characters whose names are currently not unique on the wiki. Characters whose names were already unique are listed below; the issue of whether the longer titles should be used regardless as "[[Tardis:Characters with one name#future proofing|]]" is probably best decided case-by-case, as described in the policy about when not to disambiguate.

It's worth noting that there are already a ton of pages which use names from novelisations. An incomplete sample: Archie Sylvest; August Lilt; Cairn; Cass Fermazzi; Cedric (The King's Demons); Colin Redmayne; Derek Johnson; ECCO; Edith Randall; Fariah Neguib; Frank Harris; Fyodor Nikolai Kerensky; George Morris; Heidi Scarlioni; Jason Overton; Jebal; Joanna; Joshua Jobel; Justin Vogel; Lancelot Takis; Lee Lin; Mary Smith; Megara One; Megara Two; Odessa Smith; Owen Bywater; Owen Watson; Palmer; Ram Vermas; Robert Lines; Sakkib; Simon Metcalf; Smith; Sylvia Gribbins; Tasambeker Brown; Theodore Benik; Vincent Russell; Vorn; and Wilkins. Let them serve as not only demonstrations of the practicality of novelisation names being used more generally but also prompts for us to reconsider the current policy which forbids their existence!

Thinly-veiled characters

Doctors

Masters

Other DWU characters

Non-DWU characters

Gerry Anderson universe

Main article: Talk:The Indestructible Man (novel)#Parallels

Blake's 7

Alien

Valid references to not valid stories

An index of topics on this wiki which would be easier to cover using my subpage proposal and {{NCmaterial}}. Please feel free to add to this list!

Invalid stories

Invalid story Reference
"The Pilot Episode" Unnatural History, Escape Velocity, and Deadline mention the Doctor's possible origin in the 49th century
Dr. Who and the Daleks Too many to name, including Iris mentioning or revisiting the Cushing version of the adventure, specifically, in Bafflement and Devotion and From Wildthyme with Love
A Fix with Sontarans Fixing a Hole is a sequel
Search Out Space The Blue Angel references Cedric as the Doctor's companion
Storm in a Tikka is a prequel
Dimensions in Time First Frontier mentions it as a "nightmare"
Storm in a Tikka is a sequel
The Skivers The Gallifrey Chronicles mentions Jemima-Katy as one of the Doctor's companions
Death Comes to Time Relative Dementias and The Tomorrow Windows mention Anima Persis
Trading Futures references the Canisian invasion
The Gallifrey Chronicles mentions Tannis and features the Minister of Chance
The Three Paths mentions Mount Plutarch
Celestial Intervention references the Lune Forest
The Choice has the Dominie contrast the present version of his timeline, where he travels with Ace, to one where he travels with "archaeologists and androids"; clearly this is the "prime" Seventh Doctor's universe with the "archaeologist" being Bernice Summerfield… and the "android" being Antimony!
Scream of the Shalka Childhood Living features the Slarvians from The Feast of the Stone
Whatever Happened to Iris Wildthyme? repeats the Shalka Doctor's joke about the Slarvians
A Brief History of Time Lords references the android Master
whoisdoctorwho.co.uk The Christmas Invasion mentions the Doctor's meeting with Arthur Dent, which was first reported on the website
Attack of the Graske Opera of Doom! references the ABBA concert
Monster File: Christmas references the changelings
Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane? references "the Graske activity on Earth a few years ago"
Journey's End and SJAF 1 reference Griffoth
The Twelfth Doctor Interactive Story Big Bang Generation mentions Time Squids and Crinis
Time Fracture Time Fracture Show Companion, UNIT Field Log, This is Sergeant Robert Dudley., et al.

Not covered stories

Here I'm considering specifically licensed crossovers, not unofficial crossovers like the various appearances of Sherlock Holmes.

Concept Relevant NC appearances
Kemble Fireball XL5 episode Space Vacation
Special Executive Captain Britain (The Daredevils, Captain Britain Monthly, Excalibur)
{{Hitchhikers}} The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Chronotis Dirk Gently
Richard Mace Eric Saward's radio plays The Assassin (1974), Pegasus (1975), and The Nemesis Machine (1976)
Gwanzulum Other Marvel UK comics at the time, including Combat Colin, Thundercats, and The Real Ghostbusters
Keepsake's vulture The Body in Question (1990), Revolutionary War (2014), and Death's Head (2019)
Fred, {{Audio Visuals}} Audio Visuals and The Wanderer
Cyberons, Lauren Anderson The Cyberon series: Cyber-Hunt, Cybergeddon, Cyberon, The Planet That Armageddon Forgot
Carnell Blake's 7 episode Weapon
Johnny Chess Chain Male from Perfect Timing and Disturbance at the Heron House from Missing Pieces
Zargathons The Zargathon Menace in Perfect Timing
Adrienne Kramer Time Rift fan film
Miranda Dawkins, Last Contact Lance Parkin charity short stories: Fishy Business, Iris Explains, The School of Doom
Patience's husband
Rassilon's purge of the Loom-born 		Executive Action in Walking in Eternity, Past Lives in Forgotten Lives
Iphegenia Analysis in Walking in Eternity, et al.
Sebastian Grayle Seasons of Fear novelisation in LifeDeath
Grant Markham, Carmen Yeh Wish Upon a Star Beast and Schrodinger's Botanist from Perfect Timing
Phoenix Court characters The Phoenix Court series
Iris Wildthyme Bafflement and Devotion: Iris at the Edges, The Runaway Hi-Fi in A Second Target for Tommy, et al.
Brenda and Effie Jacobs The Brenda and Effie Mysteries
The Cold Cold Snap in Kim Newman's Diogenes Club series
Marcie Hatter Russell T Davies' Dark Season
Sandra Mitchell Russell T Davies' Children's Ward
Vivaldi inheritance Russell T Davies' Mine All Mine; see also the early appearance in that series of "Yanto" Jones
Drunk man et al. With All Awry from Mythmakers Presents: Golden Years 1963-2013
Spiderweiss Man of Smoke and Dust from Walking in Eternity
Raithaduine Rachel Redhead's Refugees of the Raithaduine and Orphans of the Raithaduine
Venusians Venusian Sunset in Perfect Timing, Blue Venus in Tales of the Solar System, By the Time I Get to Venus
Señor 105 Señor 105 & the Elements of Danger, The Time Wrestlers in A Target for Tommy, et al.
Manleigh Halt Irregulars Obverse Books' charity anthology Storyteller
Theo Possible Significant Others and Grumpy Auld Men from A Target for Tommy
Butterfly room The Caterpillar Room in A Second Target for Tommy
Archibald Angelchrist Newbury & Hobbes
Jerry Cornelius Michael Moorcock's Multiverse
Vince Cosmos Baker's End
The Ninnies on Putney Common Paul Magrs' The Ninnies
Judy Collins, Enigma Tree The Enigma Variations, The Inferior Comedy, The Wander Years, Time's Enema, Breaking the Fourth in Nine Lives
Archons The Secrets of the Immortal Nicholas Flamel
Slarvian The Slarvian Menace in Big Finish's The Tomorrow People
Vienna Salvatori Big Finish's Vienna
Samuel Barnett's Cicero Big Finish's Cicero
Alexander Vhalos' Dorian Gray Big Finish's The Confessions of Dorian Gray
Nicholas Briggs' Sherlock Holmes Big Finish's Sherlock Holmes
Sigmund Freud from Return of the Repressed Big Finish's The Sigmund Freud Files (they totally implied this in an ad once or something!)
Kerides The Kerides the Thinker series
Cinder The Moments In Between in Seasons of War
"Chronosmiths" The Chronosmith Chronicles, per the "Chronosmith" alias established in Seasons of War? Bit of an edge case
Rachel Edwards, Auteur, et al. 10,000 Dawns
Erimem Splinter of Eternity in Master Pieces
Mocata Grange The Breath of God, one of the Titan Sherlock Holmes books
The Brigadier When Times Change…

Realities

When it comes to continuity, tone, and worldview, the Doctor Who universe's many spin-offs and sub-series have usually been more concerned with themselves than each other. For instance, within a series such as The Monthly Adventures, one can expect to find more references to previous audios and the Classic show than the Virgin Decalogs or Doctor Who annuals. As a result, each series presents a relatively self-contained chunk of the Doctor's reality. Sometimes these pieces have ebbed and flowed into each other through shared characters or references; other times, they have gone out of their way to paint each other as separate timelines or universes.

While acknowleding that most sources suggest these chunks all to be the same reality, covering them separately helps to highlight the ways in which they stand on their own. TheChampionOfTime and MrThermomanPreacher have paved the way for this with the creation of pages like Virgin reality and The Doctor's reality (An Unearthly Child). I've contributed to MrThermomanPreacher's collaborative chart of these "reality" pages, both created and relinked, along with the approximate stories and series they cover.

Main article: User:MrThermomanPreacher/Sandbox/Disputed realities

Footnotes

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