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Novelisation character names

CzechOut ruled in Thread:232143#4 that for searchability reasons, we should not use information from novelisations in article titles. Since then, Fandom has updated the search bar so it will show you not only the page name you're typing but also what it redirects to! With the searchability issue therefore resolved, we should officially grant novelisations the same weight as other sources in page naming, particularly in cases where it would help disambiguation. Below is a list of pages that could be renamed with this change. By no means is it complete!

By my count, a majority of pages for characters whose names only appear in their novelisation already use those names: Tom Barclay, Eregous Bates, Theodore Benik, Bourget, Tasambeker Brown, Owen Bywater, Cairn, Pete Callahan, Mick Carney, Cedric (The King's Demons), Alan Clark, Josiah Collins, Shelly Curtis, Raymond Digby, ECCO, Eskon, Cass Fermazzi, Gareth Fitzpatrick, Mark Forester, Sylvia Gribbins, Charles Griffiths, Frank Harris, Mary Hollis, Jebal, Joanna (Doctor Who), Joshua Jobel, Derek Johnson, Fyodor Nikolai Kerensky, Klegg, Joe Latham, August Lilt, Lee Lin, Robert Lines, Katz Makrif, Megara One, Megara Two, Simon Metcalf, Mira (The Fires of Pompeii), George Morris, Fariah Neguib, Jason Overton, Palmer (Terror of the Zygons), Pam (Warriors of Kudlak), Edith Randall, Colin Redmayne, Vincent Russell, Sakkib (Invasion of the Bane), Heidi Scarlioni, Danny Simmons, Smith (The Dinosaur Invasion), Mary Smith, Odessa Smith, Mitch Stannard, Archie Sylvest, Lancelot Takis, Edmund Thursday, Effie Thursday, Ram Vermas, Justin Vogel, Vorn (The Mutants), Owen Watson, Wilkins (The Dinosaur Invasion), and Robert Wigner. Let these serve as not only a demonstration of the practicality of novelisation names being used more generally but also a prompt for us to reconsider the current policy which forbids their existence!

Thinly-veiled characters

Doctors

Masters

Other DWU characters

Non-DWU characters

Gerry Anderson universe

Main article: Talk:The Indestructible Man (novel)#Parallels

Blake's 7

Alien

Valid references to non-valid stories

An index of topics on this wiki which would be easier to cover using {{NCmaterial}} and my subpage proposal. Per Tardis:Valid sources#Terminology, I've divided them between "invalid" and "not covered". Please feel free to add to this list!

Invalid stories

Invalid story Reference
"The Pilot Episode" Unnatural History, Escape Velocity, and Deadline mention the Doctor's possible origin in the 49th century
Dr. Who and the Daleks Too many to name, particularly in Bafflement and Devotion and From Wildthyme with Love
A Fix with Sontarans Fixing a Hole is a sequel
Search Out Space The Blue Angel references Cedric as the Doctor's companion
Storm in a Tikka is a prequel
Dimensions in Time First Frontier mentions it as a "nightmare"
Storm in a Tikka is a sequel
The Skivers The Gallifrey Chronicles mentions Jemima-Katy as one of the Doctor's companions
Do You Have a Licence to Save this Planet? The Bloodletters mentions the Chiropodist
Death Comes to Time Relative Dementias and The Tomorrow Windows mention Anima Persis
Trading Futures references the Canisian invasion
The Gallifrey Chronicles mentions Tannis and features the Minister of Chance
The Three Paths mentions Mount Plutarch
Celestial Intervention references the Lune Forest
The Choice references Antimony in the Dominie's travels with "archaeologists and androids"
Scream of the Shalka Childhood Living features the Slarvians from The Feast of the Stone
Whatever Happened to Iris Wildthyme? repeats the Shalka Doctor's joke about the Slarvians
A Brief History of Time Lords references the android Master
whoisdoctorwho.co.uk The Christmas Invasion mentions the Doctor's meeting with Arthur Dent, which was first reported on the website
Attack of the Graske Opera of Doom! references the ABBA concert
Monster File: Christmas references the changelings
Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane? references "the Graske activity on Earth a few years ago"
Journey's End and SJAF 1 reference Griffoth
The Twelfth Doctor Interactive Story Big Bang Generation mentions Time Squids and Crinis
Time Fracture Time Fracture Show Companion, UNIT Field Log, This is Sergeant Robert Dudley., et al.

Not covered stories

Here I'm considering specifically licensed crossovers, not unofficial crossovers like the various appearances of Sherlock Holmes.

Concept Relevant NC appearances
Kemble Fireball XL5 episode Space Vacation
Special Executive Captain Britain (The Daredevils, Captain Britain Monthly, Excalibur)
{{Hitchhikers}} The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Chronotis Dirk Gently
Richard Mace Eric Saward radio plays The Assassin (1974), Pegasus (1975), The Nemesis Machine (1976)
Gwanzulum Other Marvel UK comics at the time, including Combat Colin, Thundercats, and The Real Ghostbusters
Keepsake's vulture The Body in Question (1990), Revolutionary War (2014), Death's Head (2019)
Fred, {{Audio Visuals}} Audio Visuals; The Wanderer
Cyberons, Lauren Anderson Cyberon: Cyber-Hunt, Cybergeddon, Cyberon, The Planet That Armageddon Forgot
Carnell, Gauda Prime Chris Boucher's Blake's 7 episodes Weapon and Blake
Johnny Chess Chain Male in Perfect Timing; Disturbance at the Heron House in Missing Pieces
Jacqueline Maguire Works by Susannah Tiller; Farewell by Helen Fayle
Zargathons The Zargathon Menace in Perfect Timing
Adrienne Kramer Time Rift fan film
Miranda Dawkins, Last Contact Lance Parkin's charity stories Fishy Business, Iris Explains, The School of Doom
Patience's husband
Rassilon's purge of the Loom-born
Executive Action in Walking in Eternity; Past Lives in Forgotten Lives
Old man, Iphegenia Analysis in Walking in Eternity, et al.
Sebastian Grayle Seasons of Fear novelisation in LifeDeath
Grant Markham, Carmen Yeh Wish Upon a Star Beast and Schrodinger's Botanist in Perfect Timing
Phoenix Court characters The Phoenix Court series
Iris Wildthyme Bafflement and Devotion: Iris at the Edges; The Runaway Hi-Fi in A Second Target for Tommy
Brenda and Effie Jacobs The Brenda and Effie Mysteries
The Cold Cold Snap in Kim Newman's Diogenes Club series
Reginald Forthman, Pik Lim Bibliophage (covered, but see talk page; see also the rest of Decalog 5: Wonders)
Claudia Marwood The Stranger
Marcie Hatter Russell T Davies' Dark Season
Sandra Mitchell Russell T Davies' Children's Ward
Vivaldi inheritance Russell T Davies' Mine All Mine; see also that series' Yanto Jones
Guinevere One Russell T Davies' Years and Years
The Rose & Crown Steven Moffat's Dracula
Harold Chorley Steven Moffat's Sherlock
Drunk man et al. With All Awry from Mythmakers Presents: Golden Years 1963-2013
Spiderweiss Man of Smoke and Dust in Walking in Eternity
Venusians Venusian Sunset in Perfect Timing; Blue Venus in Tales of the Solar System; By the Time I Get to Venus
Señor 105 The Periodic Adventures of Señor 105; The Time Wrestlers in A Target for Tommy
Manleigh Halt Irregulars Obverse Books' charity anthology Storyteller
Theo Possible Significant Others; Grumpy Auld Men in A Target for Tommy
Butterfly room The Caterpillar Room in A Second Target for Tommy
Archibald Angelchrist Newbury & Hobbes
Jerry Cornelius Michael Moorcock's Multiverse
Vince Cosmos, et al. Baker's End
The Ninnies on Putney Common Paul Magrs' The Ninnies
Raithaduine, Judy Collins, Enigma Tree Rachel Redhead's Refugees of the Raithaduine; Orphans of the Raithaduine; The Enigma Variations; The Inferior Comedy; The Wander Years; Time's Enema; Breaking the Fourth in Nine Lives
Archons The Secrets of the Immortal Nicholas Flamel
Frank Archer Magic Bullet Productions' The Time Waster and Radio Bastard
Slarvian The Slarvian Menace in Big Finish's The Tomorrow People
Vienna Salvatori Big Finish's Vienna
Samuel Barnett's Cicero Big Finish's Cicero
Alexander Vlahos' Dorian Gray Big Finish's The Confessions of Dorian Gray
Nicholas Briggs' Sherlock Holmes Big Finish's Sherlock Holmes
Return of the Repressed's Sigmund Freud Big Finish's The Sigmund Freud Files (they totally implied this in an ad once or something!)
Kerides The Kerides the Thinker series
Cinder, Sarkovians The Moments In Between in Seasons of War
Kalkrav Climbing the Mountain in Seasons of War
"Chronosmiths" The Chronosmith Chronicles, per the "Chronosmith" alias established in Seasons of War? Edge case
Rachel Edwards, Auteur, et al. 10,000 Dawns
Erimem Splinter of Eternity in Master Pieces
John Polidori Valour and Vanity (via Wringing Off)
Mocata Grange The Breath of God, one of the Titan Sherlock Holmes books
The Brigadier When Times Change…

Realities

Every Doctor Who story gives us a new picture of the Doctor's reality. Technically speaking, we could create [[The Doctor's reality (Story Name)]] for every story on the wiki which features the Doctor. But the primary question I believe we should be asking in merge-related conversations is "Is it useful to our readers to have separate pages?" In most cases, there's no reason to doubt that a story depicts the same reality as its predecessor, whether that's the previous Virgin New Adventures novel, Monthly Adventures audio, or TV episode.

But there are several notable exceptions preventing us from merging everything into a single The Doctor's reality. When it comes to continuity, tone, and worldview, the Doctor Who universe's many spin-offs and sub-series have usually been more concerned with themselves than each other. For instance, within a series such as The Monthly Adventures, one can expect to find more references to previous audios and the Classic show than the Virgin Decalogs or Doctor Who annuals. As a result, a story's predecessor often simply isn't clear. Is the first Virgin New Adventures novel, Timewyrm: Genesys, best understood as a continuation of the prior TV episode, Survival, or the prior novel(isation), The Curse of Fenric?

The result of this thought process is a discrete number of relatively self-contained chunks of the Doctor's reality, roughly mapping onto the real-world series or sets of series. It's natural that this would be the most helpful to our readers. Sometimes these pieces have ebbed and flowed into each other through shared characters or references; other times, they have gone out of their way to paint each other as separate timelines or universes. While acknowleding that most sources indicate these chunks to be the same reality, covering them separately helps to highlight the ways in which they stand on their own. TheChampionOfTime and MrThermomanPreacher have paved the way for this with the creation of pages like Virgin reality and The Doctor's reality (An Unearthly Child). I've contributed to MrThermomanPreacher's collaborative chart of these "reality" pages.

A rough list of potential and disputed diverging continuities/timelines/universes to keep track of things. Generally speaking, simple alternate timelines caused by clear changes to history (Day of the Daleks etc.) and explicit parallel universes separate from "N-Space" such as Pete's World and the Unbound Universe should not be included here; to see them go to User:Chubby Potato/Sandbox/List of realities, though that's not to say that the realities listed below may not be added there if so desired.

This page is very much a work in progress. Feel free to add or edit. Suggestions or recommendations are welcome.

Name First Appearance Notes
The Doctor's universe TV: An Unearthly Child (1963) The world of which all these realities are differing accounts or alternative versions. Per T:NPOV, each disputed reality has approximately equal claim to representing the "real" account of the Doctor's universe.
Original palimpsest universe NOTVALID: The Pilot Episode (1963) An overwritten reality and potentially the original version of history, suggested by the boy, in which the Doctor was a human who came from "some planet" in the 49th century. (PROSE: Unnatural History)
The Doctor's reality (An Unearthly Child) ("Hartnellverse") TV: An Unearthly Child (1963) The original "continuity" which begins in the very first episode with the First Doctor played by William Hartnell in Totter's Lane. Later developments establish his ability to regenerate, his disputed origin as a Time Lord from the planet Gallifrey and the conflicting accounts of incarnations preceding the First Doctor.
John and Gillian's world COMIC: The Klepton Parasites Disputed TV Comic continuity in which "Dr. Who", based on the First Doctor (William Hartnell) then the Second Doctor (Patrick Troughton), travels with grandchildren John and Gillian.
Yarvelling's reality COMIC: Genesis of Evil Disputed TV Century 21 continuity in which the Daleks humanoid "forefathers" are the blue-skinned Daleks and the Dalek War Machines were created by Yarvelling. Most notably disputed by the introduction of Davros and the Kaleds in Genesis of the Daleks. Potential connections to both the Hartnellverse and the Cushingverse.
Dr. Who's reality (Dr. Who and the Daleks) ("Cushingverse") TV: Dr. Who and the Daleks The alternative continuity home to the human Dr. Who, played by Peter Cushing.[1]
The Doctor's reality (Doctor Who in an Exciting Adventure with the Daleks) PROSE: Doctor Who in an Exciting Adventure with the Daleks Disputed Target novelisation continuity in which the Doctor and Susan settled in Barnes Common, along with many other slight or major differences.
"Dalek timeline" TV: Genesis of the Daleks (mentioned only) A potential future in which the Daleks have exterminated all other life, motivating the Time Lords to prevent this from happening by enacting the Genesis Incident.
Genesis timeline TV: Genesis of the Daleks The disputed results of the Fourth Doctor's interference in the Daleks' early history.
2-D universe COMIC: The Iron Legion The reality of the Doctor Who Magazine comic stories.
Virgin reality PROSE: Timewyrm: Genesys The reality of the Virgin Books New Adventures, Missing Adventures, and Decalogs.
Braxiatel Collection's revised timeline The divergent continuity of Big Finish's Bernice Summerfield series,
Barusa's universe PROSE: The Chronicles of Doctor Who? The universe of the Leekley Bible.
The Doctor's reality (The Eight Doctors) PROSE: The Eight Doctors The reality of the BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures novels.[2]
Infinity Doctor's reality PROSE: The Infinity Doctors (1998) The unique state of reality home to the Infinity Doctor.
The Doctor's reality (The Curse of Fatal Death) TV: The Curse of Fatal Death (1999) The divergent continuity home to the Ninth Doctor (Rowan Atkinson) and beyond.
Positive-time universe The reality of Big Finish Productions' Monthly Adventures, including Eighth Doctor's travels with Charley Pollard.
Reality (Auton) TV: Auton The reality of the Auton Trilogy.
The Doctor's reality (Scream of the Shalka) NOTVALID: Scream of the Shalka (2003) The divergent continuity home to the Ninth Doctor as played by Richard E Grant.
Auld Mortality's universe AUDIO: Auld Mortality [3]
Cyberverse TV: Real Time A divergent continuity where Cybermen become dominant in the universe, depicted as an alternate reality in PROSE: Spiral Scratch.
The Doctor's reality (The Not-So-Sinister Sponge) The reality of the "Special Occasions" stories in Short Trips and Side Steps, based on the Doctor Who annuals.
Infected timeline (Interference) PROSE: Interference et al. The timeline established by the rewriting of the Third Doctor's death.
War Era universe PROSE: Alien Bodies et al. The War in Heaven.
Post-War universe PROSE: The Burning et al. The reality following the War in Heaven. One of several competing versions of the post-War universe is the Council of Eight's universe.
Pre-Time War universe TV: An Unearthly Child[source needed] The state of reality prior to the Last Great Time War, primarily seen in the "classic series" and spin-off works prior to the introduction of the "new series".
Time War timeline The distinct, fluctuating state of reality during the Last Great Time War. Mostly sealed off from the normal universe by time lock.
Gallifrey's history (The Day of the Doctor) A potential history in which Gallifrey was in fact destroyed at the end of the Time War before history was changed so that it survived in The Day of the Doctor (2013). May or may not be related to that seen in Doctor Who and the Time War.
Post-Time War universe TV: Rose (2005) The state of reality in the "new series" in which the "Ninth Doctor" (Christopher Eccleston) follows the War Doctor, who himself followed the Eighth Doctor. Lasts at least up to the end of the Tenth Doctor's life (the RTD era).
Cracked universe (The Eleventh Hour) TV: The Eleventh Hour (2010) The damaged universe seen throughout Series 5 (the Eleventh Doctor's first series).
Starless world TV: The Big Bang (2010) The last stage of the cracked universe before Big Bang Two.
Rebooted universe (The Big Bang) TV: The Big Bang (2010) The restored universe introduced in the Series 5 finale. Presumably the current state of reality at least as far as the television series is concerned.
Lethbridge-Stewart's universe (The Forgotten Son) PROSE: The Forgotten Son The alternate timeline setting of Candy Jar Books' Lethbridge-Stewart series.
Collapsing Universe PROSE: Blood Heat Second Iteration The setting of Jim Mortimore's "Director's Cut" novels.
Cutaway universe COMIC: Down These Mean Streets A Man Must Go Continuity of Cutaway Comics' Lytton.

Footnotes

  1. Including not just the theatrical films but also The House on Oldark Moor.
  2. Divided into a countable number of epochs, including the Blonde Sam timeline, The Relic's timeline, and Infected timeline (Interference).
  3. Compare other Doctor Who Unbound universes, such as the Unbound Universe, Parallel universe (Deadline), and particularly Parallel universe (Full Fathom Five), which ties into the main-continuity 2040 timeline (The Nuclear Option) from Short Trips: 2040.